Why would anyone buy a Wii right now?

Anyone that is even remotely informed about the gaming console industry wouldn't want a Nintendo's junk because:

-It is overpriced for the technology it offers.

-There are lots of bad casual games on it.

-All the notable Nintendo characters have been done to death. Nintendo is out of ideas.

-The Wii remote is a gimmick; a normal controller would work just as good.

-Primitive graphics. Kameo probably looks better than anything Nintendork currently has.

-Granted, the Wii has good games, but there's not a single game that ever tries to offer something more complex than Mario Galaxy. No interesting video game stories - just ol' Mario trying to save the Princess again, and I guess Link does pretty much the same thing, right? :lol:

there are lots of bad casual games on every console they are all overpriced the wiimote is a gimmick? what does that make sixaxis then? graphics are not important there are plenty of games with good stories, like Fire Emblem. it also has the best downloadable games by FARshadow_hosi

Surely you could have defended your position with better arguments than these.

Metroid Prime 3 , No More Heroes series , MadWorld

[QUOTE="shadow_hosi"]there are lots of bad casual games on every console they are all overpriced the wiimote is a gimmick? what does that make sixaxis then? graphics are not important there are plenty of games with good stories, like Fire Emblem. it also has the best downloadable games by FARJoust_

Surely you could have defended your position with better arguments than these.

I'm getting a Wii because Resident Evil 4 looks better then Crysis.nVidiaGaMer

And I am getting a N64 because Goldeneye looks better than Crysis.

[QUOTE="nVidiaGaMer"]I'm getting a Wii because Resident Evil 4 looks better then Crysis.Jade_Monkey

And I am getting a N64 because Goldeneye looks better than Crysis.

there are lots of bad casual games on every console they are all overpriced the wiimote is a gimmick? what does that make sixaxis then? graphics are not important there are plenty of games with good stories, like Fire Emblem. it also has the best downloadable games by FARshadow_hosi

I'm getting a Wii because Resident Evil 4 looks better then Crysis.nVidiaGaMer

[QUOTE="JabbaDaHutt30"][QUOTE="shadow_hosi"]there are lots of bad casual games on every console they are all overpriced the wiimote is a gimmick? what does that make sixaxis then? graphics are not important there are plenty of games with good stories, like Fire Emblem. it also has the best downloadable games by FARogvampire

in other words, if you really want to pirate...

[QUOTE="ogvampire"]

[QUOTE="JabbaDaHutt30"] Not as many as there are on the Wii. Sixaxis is pretty much a normal controller. Graphics are very important - they can define gameplay and color atmosphere and immerse you more easily into a story. Perhaps - but that just means that Nintendo is still living off its passed glory. 'Sides, you can easily get most of 'em on a PC if you really want to play the oldies.JabbaDaHutt30

in other words, if you really want to pirate...

thats for making CD/DVD copies, not ROMS.... those are not licensed

Games.Haziqonfire

[QUOTE="shadow_hosi"]there are lots of bad casual games on every console they are all overpriced the wiimote is a gimmick? what does that make sixaxis then? graphics are not important there are plenty of games with good stories, like Fire Emblem. it also has the best downloadable games by FARJabbaDaHutt30

[QUOTE="JabbaDaHutt30"][QUOTE="ogvampire"]

in other words, if you really want to pirate...

ogvampire

thats for music, not games...

[QUOTE="ogvampire"][QUOTE="JabbaDaHutt30"] I think it's legal if you already own an older copy of the game. Either way, no one buys a console for downloadable games.JabbaDaHutt30

thats for music, not games...

i edited to add an extra point: you are talking about CD/DVD copies, which you should have the original when you make the copy... in the case of ROMS, none of them are licensed, therefore they are considered piracy

Anyone that is even remotely informed about the gaming console industry wouldn't want a Nintendo's junk because:

-It is overpriced for the technology it offers.

-There are lots of bad casual games on it.

-All the notable Nintendo characters have been done to death. Nintendo is out of ideas.

-The Wii remote is a gimmick; a normal controller would work just as good.

-Primitive graphics. Kameo probably looks better than anything Nintendork currently has.

-Granted, the Wii has good games, but there's not a single game that ever tries to offer something more complex than Mario Galaxy. No interesting video game stories - just ol' Mario trying to save the Princess again, and I guess Link does pretty much the same thing, right? :lol:

JabbaDaHutt30

1. I would argue that every piece of hardwar and every game is overpriced, so it's up to choice to decide what overpriced system to buy.

2. Every system has bad casual games, but each system also has great games to offer.

3. Each system has franchises that have been around for a long time i.e. MGS or Halo. Franchises that have long histories have a lot of commercial appeal both for gameplay and nostalgia, so why not keep releasing games from theose franchises?

4. Motional control is not a gimmick. It is an attempt to add another layer to gameplay, that sadly hasn't been used to it's full potential, yet.

5. Less graphical capability than XBOX360 and PS3 I'll admit, but not primitive. Not every game on the Wii looks like Pong. Artistic design are just as important as graphics; even the best game graphically may not be pleasant to the eyes, and that also says nothing about gameplay.

6. Not all games have a story to begin with, let alone a good story, but with new RPGs coming out, perhaps the Wii will get some more complex storytelling. Games like de Blob, No More Heroes and Zak and Wiki aren't different than the old Nintendo standbys in gameplay and design, so the Wii is not all about Mario and Zelda.

[QUOTE="JabbaDaHutt30"][QUOTE="shadow_hosi"]there are lots of bad casual games on every console they are all overpriced the wiimote is a gimmick? what does that make sixaxis then? graphics are not important there are plenty of games with good stories, like Fire Emblem. it also has the best downloadable games by FARshadow_hosi

-Primitive graphics. Kameo probably looks better than anything Nintendork currently has.JabbaDaHutt30

The Wii is actually more powerful than many seem to think. Granted, yeah, it's not as powerful as an XB360 or PS3, but it is more than just a GameCube with motion controls. Take a look at The Conduit, for example. That game is at an XB360 Launch-Game level of detail, far better than most third-party games on the system. And why is that? Well, it's quite easy to explain: the developer (High Voltage Software) is actually trying. Unlike most third-party developers, High Voltage is actually and purposly trying to demonstrate what the Wii can actually produce, and not by repackaging PS2 games. They actually give enough of a damn to produce a quality Wii game that could stand possibly up next to the best the PS3 and XB360 could offer without feeling like a six-year old game.

If all third party developers did this, then the Wii probably would be a lot less lambasted in the graphical department, and possibly in general.

They actually give enough of a damn to produce a quality Wii game that could stand possibly up next to the best the PS3 and XB360 could offer without feeling like a six-year old game.

MecaShadow

ok, dont take this the wrong way but you think that game could graphically stand up to gears 2 or uncharted or mgs4 ? srsly?

Maybe because they want to play games on it?

And don't gie me that over priced crap. All consoles are overpriced for the technology they offer.

-Primitive graphics. Kameo probably looks better than anything Nintendork currently has.

JabbaDaHutt30

[QUOTE="JabbaDaHutt30"]

Anyone that is even remotely informed about the gaming console industry wouldn't want a Nintendo's junk because:

-It is overpriced for the technology it offers.

-There are lots of bad casual games on it.

-All the notable Nintendo characters have been done to death. Nintendo is out of ideas.

-The Wii remote is a gimmick; a normal controller would work just as good.

-Primitive graphics. Kameo probably looks better than anything Nintendork currently has.

-Granted, the Wii has good games, but there's not a single game that ever tries to offer something more complex than Mario Galaxy. No interesting video game stories - just ol' Mario trying to save the Princess again, and I guess Link does pretty much the same thing, right? :lol:

jimkabrhel

1. I would argue that every piece of hardwar and every game is overpriced, so it's up to choice to decide what overpriced system to buy.

2. Every system has bad casual games, but each system also has great games to offer.

3. Each system has franchises that have been around for a long time i.e. MGS or Halo. Franchises that have long histories have a lot of commercial appeal both for gameplay and nostalgia, so why not keep releasing games from theose franchises?

4. Motional control is not a gimmick. It is an attempt to add another layer to gameplay, that sadly hasn't been used to it's full potential, yet.

5. Less graphical capability than XBOX360 and PS3 I'll admit, but not primitive. Not every game on the Wii looks like Pong. Artistic design are just as important as graphics; even the best game graphically may not be pleasant to the eyes, and that also says nothing about gameplay.

6. Not all games have a story to begin with, let alone a good story, but with new RPGs coming out, perhaps the Wii will get some more complex storytelling. Games like de Blob, No More Heroes and Zak and Wiki aren't different than the old Nintendo standbys in gameplay and design, so the Wii is not all about Mario and Zelda.

[QUOTE="JabbaDaHutt30"][QUOTE="shadow_hosi"] maby for a graphics *****, i find games like system shock and duke nukem to be as immersive as games like Halo 3 and Mass Effect Fire Emblem had me pulled into it far more than almost every single game on the x360. Suikoden [img]http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_JdoOOej8rx8/SKyOCrL52jI/AAAAAAAAAEY/2cYgOtEV4o4/s400/suikoden1.jpg[/imghttp://img355.imageshack.us/img355/1592/suikoden2hz3.jpg[img] had far better atmosphere than bioshock didshadow_hosi

LOL. No, dude.

I understand you feel very nostalgic about those games, and they were infact great games. But if those games would have NEVER came out, and were suddenly released THIS year, next to games like F3, Bioshock, and Mass Effect.... They wouldn't even be comparible. Great stories, great games, great memories, that's all you have. But you're really grasping for straws saying those older games have a better atmosphere and are more immersive than today's best. Actually, it's pathetic.

A great game is a great game, no matter how old it is, or how it looks. That's fine, but you're going way, way too far here. lol

Anyone that is even remotely informed about the gaming console industry wouldn't want a Nintendo's junk because:

-It is overpriced for the technology it offers. What technology isn't? It's irrelevant when the price is still less than the competition. That's basic economics.

-There are lots of bad casual games on it. "Bad" is a subjective term. "Poor Quality" would be better as that is based on set industry standards. Also, as long as it has good games, then it doesn't matter how many poor quality games there are. You don't berate the 360 for bad games when it has plenty of goods ones, same for PS3.

-All the notable Nintendo characters have been done to death. Nintendo is out of ideas. You also have to realize that the gameplay is generally above the rest. The reason that the same idea works so well is because it is almost always done excellently.

-The Wii remote is a gimmick; a normal controller would work just as good. Not true. The Wiimote is simply another kind of controller. A regular controller would work just as well, however this one works well too. Just because it isn't the same doesn't automatically make it a fad (if it did, many more things in the Gaming Industry would be fads).

-Primitive graphics. Kameo probably looks better than anything Nintendork currently has. Irrelevant. The graphics may not be 360 or PS3 level, but they look good enough that it doesn't enirely matter (at least, that's the impression I get when I look at Mario, Metroid, Brawl, Zelda, Fragile, etc.). Don't get me wrong, graphics are important. However, developers are showing that the proper art direction can lead to impressive looking games, even if not from a technical standpoint. You have to understand that technical excellence means nothing if the art design is poor. While good technical graphics can indeed help with immersion; having a good art design, story, and gameplay, can more than make up for it (especially when the technical graphics are certainly tolerable).

-Granted, the Wii has good games, but there's not a single game that ever tries to offer something more complex than Mario Galaxy. No interesting video game stories - just ol' Mario trying to save the Princess again, and I guess Link does pretty much the same thing, right? :lol: Again, I'd like to note Fragile, which I hope will set the trend for future Wii games that are made. Others like No More Heroes, Tales of Symphonia 2, and the former PS2 masterpiece Okamishow that the Wii has games that do offer good stories (at least, I thought they were well done).

JabbaDaHutt30

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[QUOTE="SAGE_OF_FIRE"][ No, sadly the atmosphere in those old screens you posted is no where near the amount in the mass effect fallout ones. And your not making a good point when you post screens and say this old game with a blue hue in the background has more atmosphere then this detailed 3d game :|shadow_hosi

Visual experiences far outmatch what the best writers could describe.

[QUOTE="SAGE_OF_FIRE"][ No, sadly the atmosphere in those old screens you posted is no where near the amount in the mass effect fallout ones. And your not making a good point when you post screens and say this old game with a blue hue in the background has more atmosphere then this detailed 3d game :|shadow_hosi

You are living in nostalgia. Get out of it.

LOL. No, dude.

I understand you feel very nostalgic about those games, and they were infact great games. But if those games would have NEVER came out, and were suddenly released THIS year, next to games like F3, Bioshock, and Mass Effect.... They wouldn't even be comparible. Great stories, great games, great memories, that's all you have. But you're really grasping for straws saying those older games have a better atmosphere and are more immersive than today's best. Actually, it's pathetic.

A great game is a great game, no matter how old it is, or how it looks. That's fine, but you're going way, way too far here. lol

AlexDemise

1. I would argue that every piece of hardwar and every game is overpriced, so it's up to choice to decide what overpriced system to buy.

2. Every system has bad casual games, but each system also has great games to offer.

3. Each system has franchises that have been around for a long time i.e. MGS or Halo. Franchises that have long histories have a lot of commercial appeal both for gameplay and nostalgia, so why not keep releasing games from theose franchises?

4. Motional control is not a gimmick. It is an attempt to add another layer to gameplay, that sadly hasn't been used to it's full potential, yet.

5. Less graphical capability than XBOX360 and PS3 I'll admit, but not primitive. Not every game on the Wii looks like Pong. Artistic design are just as important as graphics; even the best game graphically may not be pleasant to the eyes, and that also says nothing about gameplay.

6. Not all games have a story to begin with, let alone a good story, but with new RPGs coming out, perhaps the Wii will get some more complex storytelling. Games like de Blob, No More Heroes and Zak and Wiki aren't different than the old Nintendo standbys in gameplay and design, so the Wii is not all about Mario and Zelda.

Some examples of engaging, mature storylines have already been mentioned, but remember that each console has it's own audience, and so far, the Nintendo audience has been younger games, and new gamers. That audience perhaps is not as interested in mature storylines. With games like the Conduit and Fragile, that is changing somewhat, now that Nintendo is really gaining steam. I think developers are now looking to provide Wii owners with a complete set of genres, including more mature games.

And just because there are a lot of bad games on the Wii is no reason not to buy it. There are many bad movies and people still watch movies. There are many bad books, but people still buy books to read them.

[QUOTE="shadow_hosi"][QUOTE="SAGE_OF_FIRE"][ No, sadly the atmosphere in those old screens you posted is no where near the amount in the mass effect fallout ones. And your not making a good point when you post screens and say this old game with a blue hue in the background has more atmosphere then this detailed 3d game :|JabbaDaHutt30

Visual experiences far outmatch what the best writers could describe.

[QUOTE="shadow_hosi"][QUOTE="SAGE_OF_FIRE"][ No, sadly the atmosphere in those old screens you posted is no where near the amount in the mass effect fallout ones. And your not making a good point when you post screens and say this old game with a blue hue in the background has more atmosphere then this detailed 3d game :|AlexDemise

You are living in nostalgia. Get out of it.

I needed a door stop, badly. Its pretty good at its job, the games was just an after thought.

When I get my PS3, it'll mostly be used for a grill, the games will be an after thought as well.