Why's everybody here trying so hard to CONVINCE eachother that the Wii wont win?

[QUOTE="pins_basic"][QUOTE="jedigemini"]

[QUOTE="pins_basic"][QUOTE="jedigemini"][QUOTE="pins_basic"][QUOTE="jedigemini"][QUOTE="pins_basic"]Remember when the PSP use to sell a **** load more than the DS? The sheep did the samething, why? Cause things changed and a few months isn't enought to make daily threads claiming the Wii is untouchable the way you do.jedigemini

Also for you to use the PSP vs. DS argument againt the Wii is insane when considering the DS has gone on to obliterate the PSP, it applies many of the same marketing principals as the Wii, and it's backed by the same company as the Wii.

[QUOTE="nnavidson"][QUOTE="jedigemini"]

I see so many posts about how the Wii's graphics are crap, it's a fad, in the long run I wont win... but to me it sounds more like the bitter tears of fanboys (that taste so sweet to a sheep like me) who cant come to terms with the fact the the Wii is shaming their favorite console.

Is it that you think the Wii wont win?

Or is it that you just dont want it to? ;)

Anybody who's living in reality knows that the Wii is dominating MS and Sony right now... and the fact that it's doing so at a time when all three major players are on the market is strong evidence that this trend is likely to continue throughout the entire generation. The Wii is simply reaching a much larger demographic, one that does not particularly care about HD or the graphics that you mistakingly think is going to win the 360 or the PS3 the war in the end.

And for people bashing Wii's lineup and 3rd party support, one thing is certain, both are only going to get much better for the Wii as this generation goes on,

and that means things are only going to get much worse for 360 and PS3 fanboys :(  

jedigemini

I'll speak for myself.

I don't want the Wii to come out on top.

I like to have the best technology.  I like playing games that wow people when they see them.

I want epic stories, orchestra scores, voice acting and online networks to play against strangers.

Nintendo has never given me these things and this generaltion doesn't seem to be any different.

I love Mario, and as soon as Galaxy and MP3 come out, I'll repurchase a Wii, but I honestly few that if the Wii blows the competition away gaming as an artform is going to be set back in a major way. 

It's not basically an admission.  It's me flat out saying I don't want the Wii to come out on top.  I think it would be a major step back for video games as an art form.

The PSP is failing against the DS now for the same reason the the PS3 is failing against the Wii. The consumers have spoken, and they prefer pick up and play, cheap fun games rather than long-winded, expensive epics.  jedigemini

[QUOTE="jedigemini"][QUOTE="pins_basic"][QUOTE="jedigemini"]

[QUOTE="pins_basic"][QUOTE="jedigemini"][QUOTE="pins_basic"][QUOTE="jedigemini"][QUOTE="pins_basic"]Remember when the PSP use to sell a **** load more than the DS? The sheep did the samething, why? Cause things changed and a few months isn't enought to make daily threads claiming the Wii is untouchable the way you do.pins_basic

Also for you to use the PSP vs. DS argument againt the Wii is insane when considering the DS has gone on to obliterate the PSP, it applies many of the same marketing principals as the Wii, and it's backed by the same company as the Wii.

[QUOTE="jedigemini"]The PSP is failing against the DS now for the same reason the the PS3 is failing against the Wii. The consumers have spoken, and they prefer pick up and play, cheap fun games rather than long-winded, expensive epics.  DireToad

I see so many posts about how the Wii's graphics are crap, it's a fad, in the long run I wont win... but to me it sounds more like the bitter tears of fanboys (that taste so sweet to a sheep like me) who cant come to terms with the fact the the Wii is shaming their favorite console.

Is it that you think the Wii wont win?

Or is it that you just dont want it to? ;)

Anybody who's living in reality knows that the Wii is dominating MS and Sony right now... and the fact that it's doing so at a time when all three major players are on the market is strong evidence that this trend is likely to continue throughout the entire generation. The Wii is simply reaching a much larger demographic, one that does not particularly care about HD or the graphics that you mistakingly think is going to win the 360 or the PS3 the war in the end.

And for people bashing Wii's lineup and 3rd party support, one thing is certain, both are only going to get much better for the Wii as this generation goes on,

and that means things are only going to get much worse for 360 and PS3 fanboys :(  

jedigemini

Could you please explain to me how 6 months constitute as a whole generation? You can't win this gen in freaking 6 months, it is about what you can do for the long haul not in the short term!!!!

[QUOTE="pins_basic"][QUOTE="jedigemini"][QUOTE="pins_basic"][QUOTE="jedigemini"]

[QUOTE="pins_basic"][QUOTE="jedigemini"][QUOTE="pins_basic"][QUOTE="jedigemini"][QUOTE="pins_basic"]Remember when the PSP use to sell a **** load more than the DS? The sheep did the samething, why? Cause things changed and a few months isn't enought to make daily threads claiming the Wii is untouchable the way you do.jedigemini

Also for you to use the PSP vs. DS argument againt the Wii is insane when considering the DS has gone on to obliterate the PSP, it applies many of the same marketing principals as the Wii, and it's backed by the same company as the Wii.

Good Day.

Jedigemini, please, give it a rest.

This is system wars, people post whatever the hell they believe and, to be honest, your doing the same. The Wii is already a winner in my book and thats what matters, not the opinion of some random guy halfway across the world. If they want to publicly reassure themselves of Nintendo's demise just let them. We can always disprove them later. All in all I find this thread a waste and a flame magnet. Can someone flag a mod and close it please?

Oh, and it was pretty low of you banning that one guy, even if he was a bit of a jerk. Man it out for once.

[QUOTE="jedigemini"]

I see so many posts about how the Wii's graphics are crap, it's a fad, in the long run I wont win... but to me it sounds more like the bitter tears of fanboys (that taste so sweet to a sheep like me) who cant come to terms with the fact the the Wii is shaming their favorite console.

Is it that you think the Wii wont win?

Or is it that you just dont want it to? ;)

Anybody who's living in reality knows that the Wii is dominating MS and Sony right now... and the fact that it's doing so at a time when all three major players are on the market is strong evidence that this trend is likely to continue throughout the entire generation. The Wii is simply reaching a much larger demographic, one that does not particularly care about HD or the graphics that you mistakingly think is going to win the 360 or the PS3 the war in the end.

And for people bashing Wii's lineup and 3rd party support, one thing is certain, both are only going to get much better for the Wii as this generation goes on,

and that means things are only going to get much worse for 360 and PS3 fanboys :(  

Ericvon71

Could you please explain to me how 6 months constitute as a whole generation? You can't win this gen in freaking 6 months, it is about what you can do for the long haul not in the short term!!!!

It is very doubtful that the Wii is going to win in AAA and AA games so why do we really care if it becomes the casual system of choice ?

 

diggyzoom

you got a ps2 did you? ppl doubted that for it's lackluster launch library but still bought it. look how support turned out in the end. 

[QUOTE="diggyzoom"]

It is very doubtful that the Wii is going to win in AAA and AA games so why do we really care if it becomes the casual system of choice ?

 

Ontain

you got a ps2 did you? ppl doubted that for it's lackluster launch library but still bought it. look how support turned out in the end. 

[QUOTE="jedigemini"]

I see so many posts about how the Wii's graphics are crap, it's a fad, in the long run I wont win... but to me it sounds more like the bitter tears of fanboys (that taste so sweet to a sheep like me) who cant come to terms with the fact the the Wii is shaming their favorite console.

Is it that you think the Wii wont win?

Or is it that you just dont want it to? ;)

Anybody who's living in reality knows that the Wii is dominating MS and Sony right now... and the fact that it's doing so at a time when all three major players are on the market is strong evidence that this trend is likely to continue throughout the entire generation. The Wii is simply reaching a much larger demographic, one that does not particularly care about HD or the graphics that you mistakingly think is going to win the 360 or the PS3 the war in the end.

And for people bashing Wii's lineup and 3rd party support, one thing is certain, both are only going to get much better for the Wii as this generation goes on,

and that means things are only going to get much worse for 360 and PS3 fanboys :(  

nnavidson

I'll speak for myself.

I don't want the Wii to come out on top.

I like to have the best technology.  I like playing games that wow people when they see them.

I want epic stories, orchestra scores, voice acting and online networks to play against strangers.

Nintendo has never given me these things and this generaltion doesn't seem to be any different.

I love Mario, and as soon as Galaxy and MP3 come out, I'll repurchase a Wii, but I honestly few that if the Wii blows the competition away gaming as an artform is going to be set back in a major way. 

Odd that the most engaging stories I've encountered in recent gaming have been the Pheonix Wright DS games, and I'm playing Tomb Raider Legends for GC in my Wii, and it has voice acting.

People throw around this idea that only powerfull systems can have epic games and epic stories. It's not true, it just requires work on the development end.

Is FF12 more "epic" than FFVI?

[QUOTE="diggyzoom"]

It is very doubtful that the Wii is going to win in AAA and AA games so why do we really care if it becomes the casual system of choice ?

 

Ontain

you got a ps2 did you? ppl doubted that for it's lackluster launch library but still bought it. look how support turned out in the end.

Maybe I should buy a Wii for casual games that I don't like and Nintendo's first party games that I don't prefer over Sonys just because the Wii will probably sell the most systems and maybe that will lead to a couple of cool third party games. Let me get right on that.

[QUOTE="nnavidson"][QUOTE="jedigemini"]

I see so many posts about how the Wii's graphics are crap, it's a fad, in the long run I wont win... but to me it sounds more like the bitter tears of fanboys (that taste so sweet to a sheep like me) who cant come to terms with the fact the the Wii is shaming their favorite console.

Is it that you think the Wii wont win?

Or is it that you just dont want it to? ;)

Anybody who's living in reality knows that the Wii is dominating MS and Sony right now... and the fact that it's doing so at a time when all three major players are on the market is strong evidence that this trend is likely to continue throughout the entire generation. The Wii is simply reaching a much larger demographic, one that does not particularly care about HD or the graphics that you mistakingly think is going to win the 360 or the PS3 the war in the end.

And for people bashing Wii's lineup and 3rd party support, one thing is certain, both are only going to get much better for the Wii as this generation goes on,

and that means things are only going to get much worse for 360 and PS3 fanboys :(  

shadowcat2576

I'll speak for myself.

I don't want the Wii to come out on top.

I like to have the best technology.  I like playing games that wow people when they see them.

I want epic stories, orchestra scores, voice acting and online networks to play against strangers.

Nintendo has never given me these things and this generaltion doesn't seem to be any different.

I love Mario, and as soon as Galaxy and MP3 come out, I'll repurchase a Wii, but I honestly few that if the Wii blows the competition away gaming as an artform is going to be set back in a major way. 

Odd that the most engaging stories I've encountered in recent gaming have been the Pheonix Wright DS games, and I'm playing Tomb Raider Legends for GC in my Wii, and it has voice acting.

People throw around this idea that only powerfull systems can have epic games and epic stories. It's not true, it just requires work on the development end.

Is FF12 more "epic" than FFVI?

The hardware may be capable of voice acting and good stories but those aren't exactly Nintendo's strong points.

Better Technology does allow for more epic stories as much as you want to protest.  LOTR could have never been filmed 20 years ago for example.

Good things can happen on older technologies, but new technology expands possibilities even further.

I want big budget games that blow last generation away.  Not something that looks good when you need to pull up a screenshot from five years ago to appreciate the difference.

[QUOTE="pins_basic"][QUOTE="jedigemini"]

[QUOTE="pins_basic"][QUOTE="jedigemini"][QUOTE="pins_basic"][QUOTE="jedigemini"][QUOTE="pins_basic"]Remember when the PSP use to sell a **** load more than the DS? The sheep did the samething, why? Cause things changed and a few months isn't enought to make daily threads claiming the Wii is untouchable the way you do.jedigemini

Also for you to use the PSP vs. DS argument againt the Wii is insane when considering the DS has gone on to obliterate the PSP, it applies many of the same marketing principals as the Wii, and it's backed by the same company as the Wii.

My wife drives a 2006 BMW 3-series.  I'll convince her to trade it in for a 2007 Honda Civic since they sell so well.  I'm sure whiles she's driving that cheap piece of crap around she'll be comforted to know that she now has a car that more people own than her old Bimmer.

i don't understand why more and more sheep are getting paranoid and insecure when all analysts, medias, and facts are pointing toward the Wii's success... have any of you seen JP's (and the rest of the world's) chart's lately? doesn't it remind you of the PSP.vs.DS battle? take a hint and stop acting like a bunch of kids :Pgrayfox_2k

Bitter fanboys are still under the impression than Nintendo dominating will bring less hardcore games?  What are they basing this off of?

Hardcore games will always be here.  Hell, look at the DS: a ****load of casual games, a ****load of hardcore games, and a good amount of non-games.  There's something for everyone, and that's what Nintendo's going for with the Wii. 

Watch this Bonus Round Episodes, then you will know why the console war isn't over yet

http://www.gametrailers.com/bonusround.php?ep=1&pt=1

http://www.gametrailers.com/bonusround.php?ep=1&pt=2

http://www.gametrailers.com/bonusround.php?ep=1&pt=3

I see so many posts about how the Wii's graphics are crap, it's a fad, in the long run I wont win... but to me it sounds more like the bitter tears of fanboys (that taste so sweet to a sheep like me) who cant come to terms with the fact the the Wii is shaming their favorite console.

Is it that you think the Wii wont win?

Or is it that you just dont want it to? ;)

Anybody who's living in reality knows that the Wii is dominating MS and Sony right now... and the fact that it's doing so at a time when all three major players are on the market is strong evidence that this trend is likely to continue throughout the entire generation. The Wii is simply reaching a much larger demographic, one that does not particularly care about HD or the graphics that you mistakingly think is going to win the 360 or the PS3 the war in the end.

And for people bashing Wii's lineup and 3rd party support, one thing is certain, both are only going to get much better for the Wii as this generation goes on,

and that means things are only going to get much worse for 360 and PS3 fanboys :(  

jedigemini

I was searching the internet for a psychological explaination that describes the condition that wii haters suffer from and found this on answers.com

"cognitive dissonance

Mental conflict that occurs when beliefs or assumptions are contradicted by new information. The concept was introduced by the psychologist Leon Festinger (1919 - 89) in the late 1950s. He and later researchers showed that, when confronted with challenging new information, most people seek to preserve their current understanding of the world by rejecting, explaining away, or avoiding the new information or by convincing themselves that no conflict really exists. Cognitive dissonance is nonetheless considered an explanation for attitude change."

http://www.answers.com/topic/cognitive-dissonance

I see so many posts about how the Wii's graphics are crap, it's a fad, in the long run I wont win... but to me it sounds more like the bitter tears of fanboys (that taste so sweet to a sheep like me) who cant come to terms with the fact the the Wii is shaming their favorite console.

Is it that you think the Wii wont win?

Or is it that you just dont want it to? ;)

Anybody who's living in reality knows that the Wii is dominating MS and Sony right now... and the fact that it's doing so at a time when all three major players are on the market is strong evidence that this trend is likely to continue throughout the entire generation. The Wii is simply reaching a much larger demographic, one that does not particularly care about HD or the graphics that you mistakingly think is going to win the 360 or the PS3 the war in the end.

And for people bashing Wii's lineup and 3rd party support, one thing is certain, both are only going to get much better for the Wii as this generation goes on,

and that means things are only going to get much worse for 360 and PS3 fanboys :(  

jedigemini

I own a Wii and a 360.  I have MAJOR doubts about the longterm success of Wii.  If bad game after bad game after bad game after bad game keeps appearing on Wii, even ultra casuals will begin to get angry.  A console's continued success is ultimately dependent on the games it has.  Wii has a LOT OF BAD GAMES on it.  I mean, a ridiculous amount.  Some games are great.  However, 6 months after the 360 launch, there were around 12 AA and a couple of AAA games.  Wii has maybe 6 or 7 AA games, and 1 AAA game (and Warioware is considered to be A by a lot of people and VASTLY OVERRATED by Gamespot).  When the novely of the wii remote wears off, then all it has left is games.  Wii NEEDS GOOD GAMES.  Of course, SSBB will sell millions.

Wii is cheap and fun for a little while.  Everyone I know around here don't play theirs anymore and are saving for PS3 or 360.  It is a fad to most actual gamers I think but not a fad to casuals and non gamers.  I mean after E306 most people were running around here goin "Wii60 FTW!" and now its pretty much back to normal.Tiefster

It's an insult to the Game IndustryDrCoCoPiMp

I think the bigger question is Who the Wii is competing agaisnt, because its not the xbox360 or ps3. Nintendo said this themselfs.

"Nintendo Co President Satoru Iwata said his company's next-generation video game console, the Wii, is not in competition with rival consoles such as Sony Corp's PlayStation 3 but is rather aimed at expanding the global gaming population."

http://www.theage.com.au/news/World/Wii-not-in-competition-with-rivals/2006/12/08/1165081130153.html

[QUOTE="Tiefster"]Wii is cheap and fun for a little while. Everyone I know around here don't play theirs anymore and are saving for PS3 or 360. It is a fad to most actual gamers I think but not a fad to casuals and non gamers. I mean after E306 most people were running around here goin "Wii60 FTW!" and now its pretty much back to normal.jedigemini

Your ancedotal edivence is a joke in the face of the cold hard truth.

Does the number of sales increase your personal enjoyment of the console? And since you asked in your first post I will say yes to your second question. The Wii is a detriment to how games are played. It shows you can make a crappy gimmick and it will sell very well.

Well guess what, I'm writing this from my Wii.Willy105

I see so many posts about how the Wii's graphics are crap, it's a fad, in the long run I wont win... but to me it sounds more like the bitter tears of fanboys (that taste so sweet to a sheep like me) who cant come to terms with the fact the the Wii is shaming their favorite console.

Is it that you think the Wii wont win?

Or is it that you just dont want it to? ;)

Anybody who's living in reality knows that the Wii is dominating MS and Sony right now... and the fact that it's doing so at a time when all three major players are on the market is strong evidence that this trend is likely to continue throughout the entire generation. The Wii is simply reaching a much larger demographic, one that does not particularly care about HD or the graphics that you mistakingly think is going to win the 360 or the PS3 the war in the end.

And for people bashing Wii's lineup and 3rd party support, one thing is certain, both are only going to get much better for the Wii as this generation goes on,

and that means things are only going to get much worse for 360 and PS3 fanboys :(  

jedigemini

I don't think people are denying the fact that the Wii is currently winning, but they are pointing out how the blind Wii fanboys boast about their console winning for the wrong reasons.  The Wii is winning in terms of sales soley because little kids and casuals see the console as revolutionary and expect revolutionary gameplay which sadly the Wii does not have combined with the fact already that the Wii can barely push out anything above GC graphics.  I know this from from firsthand experience because my cousin owns one.  We basically played Wii Sports the entire time because all the other games either have bad controls like Farcry or they feel gimmicky like in Zelda.  When my cousin played my 360 he quickly saw the huge difference in terms of quality of games and he actually started to regret buying the Wii only after a few matches of Gears of War.  He said he bought the Wii because he thought that the idea of a motion sensing controller was cool and that is the real reason why the Wii is winning in sales and not because you stupid fanboys think that your amazing gameplay is shaming all other consoles.

[QUOTE="Willy105"]Well guess what, I'm writing this from my Wii.DireToad

Doesn't take that long at all. It works fine.

It's selling Yay? Now what games shall I spend my money on?super_mario_128

just go to the Wii section of Gamespot. You'll find a lot of 'em.