Wii did not target the core gamer and that is why they won the war!

-we make fun of casual gamers ,but they outnumber us core gamers in the millions

-ps3 and xbox 360 are going after the same audience which leaves the wii completely unthreathened

-ps3 and xbox 360 are too high of a price for the (140 million ps2 users ) who are still undecided which system they buy

-people hear about the wii, they want to know about the wii & end up buying a wii = power of word of mouth

-it's safe to say now that ds and the wii has truly disrupted the industry ,just look @ software sales and wii and ds dominate it

wii -30 million sold

xbox 360 -20 million

ps3 -14.5 million sold

p.s it's just a question of when we will see 3rd party core games for the wii ,since 3rd party co's will be foolish to ignore it's userbase which is expected to be @ 50 million by next summer

-we make fun of casual gamers ,but they outnumber us core gamers in the millions

-ps3 and xbox 360 are going after the same audience which leaves the wii completely unthreathened

-ps3 and xbox 360 are too high of a price for the (140 million ps2 users ) who are still undecided which system they buy

-people hear about the wii, they want to know about the wii & end up buying a wii = power of word of mouth

-it's safe to say now that ds and the wii has truly disrupted the industry ,just look @ software sales and wii and ds dominate it

wii -30 million sold

xbox 360 -20 million

ps3 -14.5 million sold

p.s it's just a question of when we will see 3rd party core games for the wii ,since 3rd party co's will be foolish to ignore it's userbase which is expected to be @ 50 million by next summer

Kakarot00769

If the wii doesn't have core gamers, why would devs make core games for it? More likely they'll make cheap and quick casual games and sell more than they would making core ones.

Nintendo better watch out. Miyamoto has expressed dissatisfaction with just how casualized Nintendo has become. He misses traditional Zelda and Mario games, and if they don't get their act together in several years they may lose one of their greatest minds.

I personally would love to see the Metroid Series brought over to Sony, as long as RS still does the developing.

They may have won the war, but since I don't care about their sales, they failed to impress me.SpruceCaboose

yep you nailed it:)

Nintendo better watch out. Miyamoto has expressed dissatisfaction with just how casualized Nintendo has become. He misses traditional Zelda and Mario games, and if they don't get their act together in several years they may lose one of their greatest minds.

I personally would love to see the Metroid Series brought over to Sony, as long as RS still does the developing.

fiscope

This is why I think Little Big Planet is gonna move quite a bit of hardware for Sony. Casuals will eat it up like crack cocaine.

And Spore is likely to do the same.

This is why I think Little Big Planet is gonna move quite a bit of hardware for Sony. Casuals will eat it up like crack cocaine.

And Spore is likely to do the same.

nervmeister

I think casuals would be sorely disappointed with both titles.

[QUOTE="nervmeister"]

This is why I think Little Big Planet is gonna move quite a bit of hardware for Sony. Casuals will eat it up like crack cocaine.

And Spore is likely to do the same.

SpruceCaboose

I think casuals would be sorely disappointed with both titles.

[QUOTE="nervmeister"]

This is why I think Little Big Planet is gonna move quite a bit of hardware for Sony. Casuals will eat it up like crack cocaine.

And Spore is likely to do the same.

SpruceCaboose

I think casuals would be sorely disappointed with both titles.

I don't think either of those titles are aimed for a casual market... more casuals will buy gta4 over spore/lbp

[QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"][QUOTE="nervmeister"]

This is why I think Little Big Planet is gonna move quite a bit of hardware for Sony. Casuals will eat it up like crack cocaine.

And Spore is likely to do the same.

nervmeister

I think casuals would be sorely disappointed with both titles.

Neither are casual games. They are both quite deep and involved.

[QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"][QUOTE="nervmeister"]

This is why I think Little Big Planet is gonna move quite a bit of hardware for Sony. Casuals will eat it up like crack cocaine.

And Spore is likely to do the same.

nervmeister

I think casuals would be sorely disappointed with both titles.

[QUOTE="nervmeister"]

This is why I think Little Big Planet is gonna move quite a bit of hardware for Sony. Casuals will eat it up like crack cocaine.

And Spore is likely to do the same.

SpruceCaboose

I think casuals would be sorely disappointed with both titles.

I hate to say it but... I agree...

Casuals don't seem to be that creative or take the time to be creative :/

[QUOTE="nervmeister"][QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"][QUOTE="nervmeister"]

This is why I think Little Big Planet is gonna move quite a bit of hardware for Sony. Casuals will eat it up like crack cocaine.

And Spore is likely to do the same.

SpruceCaboose

I think casuals would be sorely disappointed with both titles.

Neither are casual games. They are both quite deep and involved.

[QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"][QUOTE="nervmeister"][QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"][QUOTE="nervmeister"]

This is why I think Little Big Planet is gonna move quite a bit of hardware for Sony. Casuals will eat it up like crack cocaine.

And Spore is likely to do the same.

nervmeister

I think casuals would be sorely disappointed with both titles.

Neither are casual games. They are both quite deep and involved.

I know someone I work with has spent hours and hours creating creatures for it

[QUOTE="nervmeister"][QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"][QUOTE="nervmeister"]

This is why I think Little Big Planet is gonna move quite a bit of hardware for Sony. Casuals will eat it up like crack cocaine.

And Spore is likely to do the same.

SpruceCaboose

I think casuals would be sorely disappointed with both titles.

Neither are casual games. They are both quite deep and involved.

exatcly LBP dosent look all that simple with creating your own stuff and such and even if it was its not gonna move hardware for them its takes a whole system dedicated to being causal for that.

I know someone I work with has spent hours and hours creating creatures for it

bf2nutta

I actually agree with most of your points however they have nothing to do with your title.

The Wii had me at hello and there is no reason not to have one.

For the price, the Wii is the best value in gaming, great new games, fully backward compatable with GC, Virtual Console...

I love my Wii!

[QUOTE="bf2nutta"]

I know someone I work with has spent hours and hours creating creatures for it

nervmeister

Casuals will enjoy playing the game, I am sure. However, the level creation would probably be too involved, and I am guessing that many user created levels will skew very much toward the uber-hard, basing that on echochrome and similar games.

[QUOTE="nervmeister"][QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"][QUOTE="nervmeister"]

This is why I think Little Big Planet is gonna move quite a bit of hardware for Sony. Casuals will eat it up like crack cocaine.

And Spore is likely to do the same.

SpruceCaboose

I think casuals would be sorely disappointed with both titles.

Neither are casual games. They are both quite deep and involved.

LBP's level creation maybe but i think spore will be casual as the player wants but allow the customization that players of Sims liked. the Sims and sims2 weren't shallow games either.

-we make fun of casual gamers ,but they outnumber us core gamers in the millions

Yes, but do they outspend core gamers.........the answer is a definite NO. Just because they buy a Wii doesn't mean instant support of buying software.

-ps3 and xbox 360 are going after the same audience which leaves the wii completely unthreathened

Actually a lot of stuff PS3 is releasing and MS future plans seem to really target the Wii audience so that isn't completely true.

-ps3 and xbox 360 are too high of a price for the (140 million ps2 users ) who are still undecided which system they buy

ok.....the X360 is near the same price as the Wii and that hasn't done squat. Price has nothing to do with the success of the Wii, I'm surprised people still use this excuse for their success.

-people hear about the wii, they want to know about the wii & end up buying a wii = power of word of mouth

That is true....and it's also it's biggest weakness. Once they buy it and a game or two......they put it away and never touch it again.

-it's safe to say now that ds and the wii has truly disrupted the industry ,just look @ software sales and wii and ds dominate it

DS dominates handheld software sales, Wii does not donminate console software sales.

wii -30 million sold

xbox 360 -20 million

ps3 -14.5 million sold

p.s it's just a question of when we will see 3rd party core games for the wii ,since 3rd party co's will be foolish to ignore it's userbase which is expected to be @ 50 million by next summer

How long are Sheep going to spew this crap. If 3rd party was intrested in "core games" for the Wii, they wouldn't be throwing them on the PS3 and X360. Face it, it's a sheep fantasy to think the Wii is going to get those core games. Live with your "Deadly Creatures" or "Scooby snacks part 2" or "WiiMusic.....so cool it plays itself!"

Kakarot00769

-ps3 and xbox 360 are too high of a price for the (140 million ps2 users ) who are still undecided which system they buy

Kakarot00769

do you think those 140 million users(of which I was not one of :)) are ALL core gamers? and are all unique consumers? How many of those 140million consoles sold are actual users, and not replacement consoles?

[QUOTE="Kakarot00769"]

-we make fun of casual gamers ,but they outnumber us core gamers in the millions

Yes, but do they outspend core gamers.........the answer is a definite NO. Just because they buy a Wii doesn't mean instant support of buying software.

-ps3 and xbox 360 are going after the same audience which leaves the wii completely unthreathened

Actually a lot of stuff PS3 is releasing and MS future plans seem to really target the Wii audience so that isn't completely true.

-ps3 and xbox 360 are too high of a price for the (140 million ps2 users ) who are still undecided which system they buy

ok.....the X360 is near the same price as the Wii and that hasn't done squat. Price has nothing to do with the success of the Wii, I'm surprised people still use this excuse for their success.

-people hear about the wii, they want to know about the wii & end up buying a wii = power of word of mouth

That is true....and it's also it's biggest weakness. Once they buy it and a game or two......they put it away and never touch it again.

-it's safe to say now that ds and the wii has truly disrupted the industry ,just look @ software sales and wii and ds dominate it

DS dominates handheld software sales, Wii does not donminate console software sales.

wii -30 million sold

xbox 360 -20 million

ps3 -14.5 million sold

p.s it's just a question of when we will see 3rd party core games for the wii ,since 3rd party co's will be foolish to ignore it's userbase which is expected to be @ 50 million by next summer

How long are Sheep going to spew this crap. If 3rd party was intrested in "core games" for the Wii, they wouldn't be throwing them on the PS3 and X360. Face it, it's a sheep fantasy to think the Wii is going to get those core games. Live with your "Deadly Creatures" or "Scooby snacks part 2" or "WiiMusic.....so cool it plays itself!"

darthogre

The Wii has a habit of dominating the PS3 when it comes to software sales. But can't play sales, even if its in software. Great games don't always sale, and great sales are always quality games. Okami and 50 Cent are proof to that.

Blah Blah Wii Sold more hence it won the so called war Blah Blah

Maybe so but hell have fun with the constant barrage of casual games, being a long termm gamer i would much rather own a 360 PS3 or PC.

[QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"][QUOTE="nervmeister"][QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"][QUOTE="nervmeister"]

This is why I think Little Big Planet is gonna move quite a bit of hardware for Sony. Casuals will eat it up like crack cocaine.

And Spore is likely to do the same.

nervmeister

I think casuals would be sorely disappointed with both titles.

Neither are casual games. They are both quite deep and involved.

+ Casuals tend to distaste any game that requires brain power due to most casuals considering games tobe for children but yet for some reason the Wiis ok because its for the family i mean hell give me a break!

They may have won the war, but have ultimately lost the battle.

"Userbase? Pfffft!"

*sigh*...what has happened to the video game world....im about to give up on the entire gaming population after reading this post and the reactions to it....it's like we've become the uptight movie critics that only appreciate indie films that no cares aboutjohnnyv2003

lol! i have always had this exact same comparison in my head whenever i think of the way hardcore gamers feel about casual games.

+ Casuals tend to distaste any game that requires brain power due to most casuals considering games tobe for children but yet for some reason the Wiis ok because its for the family i mean hell give me a break!

jwsoul

its the other way around. casuals tend to gravitate more to brain-age games and puzzle games. alot of them like games that make them think...

for the hardcore gamer: having to use 12 buttons in an fps is just memorization, has nothing to do with brain power. its more twitch reaction and memorization than actual brain power

[QUOTE="johnnyv2003"]*sigh*...what has happened to the video game world....im about to give up on the entire gaming population after reading this post and the reactions to it....it's like we've become the uptight movie critics that only appreciate indie films that no cares aboutogvampire

lol! i have always had this exact same comparison in my head whenever i think of the way hardcore gamers feel about casual games.

I'm sure they haven't always felt so strongly about it, but the constant waves of shovelware (not to mention grudges against Nintendo) have driven them to, "You know what? Screw it. Casual games just suck now."

What the TOC says makes sense but IT'S NOTHING NEW.

What hardcore games did GC have that Wii is does not or is not going to get?

Nintendo has always been about family, which is why their consoles are mostly focused on gaming. Not extra media features like playing movies, etc. The first console was called famicom which was short for family.

Nintendo has catered to the Nintendo 'hardcore', prove by the fact they tapped most of the IP's from GC to Wii (SSBB, Paper Mario, Mario Kart, Mp3, Mario Party, AC, Sluggers, Strikers, etc). they aren't doing anything new.

I don't think they are lacking any TYPE of game N64 or GC had. Maybe a few, but nothing to really say its different.

The biggest difference is N didn't dramatically update the graphics but instead chose to update the hardware, being motion controls, network, VC, USB ports, etc.

What Nintendo system totally catered to the 'hardcore' in the past?

NOTE: I hate that term hardcore. I don't even know an agreed upon definition.

Yeah, it's just one of those words.

Everyone knows what it means, though, and that's all that matters.

It's like ironic, who can define it without going to a dictionary?

-we make fun of casual gamers ,but they outnumber us core gamers in the millions

-ps3 and xbox 360 are going after the same audience which leaves the wii completely unthreathened

-ps3 and xbox 360 are too high of a price for the (140 million ps2 users ) who are still undecided which system they buy

-people hear about the wii, they want to know about the wii & end up buying a wii = power of word of mouth

-it's safe to say now that ds and the wii has truly disrupted the industry ,just look @ software sales and wii and ds dominate it

wii -30 million sold

xbox 360 -20 million

ps3 -14.5 million sold

p.s it's just a question of when we will see 3rd party core games for the wii ,since 3rd party co's will be foolish to ignore it's userbase which is expected to be @ 50 million by next summer

Kakarot00769

Where are the games, they aren't better than the Ps3 and 360?

Where are the games, they aren't better than the Ps3 and 360?

JIT93

i think it's going to take some time. Every third party was caught with their pants down with Wii's success, save Ubisoft (yay?). Even EA said they were taken by surprise of Wii's success.

The 3rd parties were expecting PS3 to take over where PS2 left off. So now you are behind in training your developers, game designs, etc. God knows you can't take a PS3 / 360 game and port it over to Wii (unfortunatley, some do, and look at some of the crap).

Takes forever to make a good game. Even Sony's own games are delayed (LBP for one). I think that's why 360 has so many good ones. They are pretty much what every 3rd party expected and then some, plus its not much different than coding for a XBOX (which is a great thing!).

Games are coming, but not in the same class as the hits of Gears, MGS, etc. Just a different class.

It's just a shame that, in the course of winning the war, they became the single worst actual gaming system. I just find it funny that, despite constantly increasing sales, increasing numbers of long time Nintendo faithful are becoming bored with, or even selling, their Wii systems. Great sales numbers are awesome bragging rights in a fanboy war on a message board, but you can't insert NPD spreadsheets into your Wii and have a great time playing them, and thats the reality many of these people are being slapped in the face with.

As for the increasing third party support, you're absolutely right. They are in fact getting way more of that, too bad 99% of it is barely playable shareware designed specifically to sell to casual gamers. I'm willing to bet most Nintendo core gamers would trade Nintendo's market dominance off for more actual good games that are worth playing. I own a 360 and PS3, and despite the fact that they are not selling as good as the Wii, they are both better gaming systems than the Wii, and I know full well by not having a Wii, despite it's popularity, and as a gamer, I am not missing out on anything. I do pity the Wii only gamer, he has nothing to look forard to, unless he is REALLY hyped for the next "Petz" game.

You bring up some good points.

I think the reason why we won't see exceptional 3rd party support is because exclusives dominate software sales on Nintendo consoles. That was true with the Gamecube and it's true on the Wii.

Games are coming, but not in the same class as the hits of Gears, MGS, etc. Just a different class.

flazzle

Different class meaning of course, inferior. The third party support coming to the Wii is coming because of the huge install base, and the majority of that install base is new/casual gamers, and so that increased third party support will be geared specifically towards those people, not core longtime Nintendo fans. My condolences to Nintendo fanboys who thought the increased userbase would mean great things for them, but you guys aren't the reason for the increased userbase, so you will NOT reap the rewards.

It's just a shame that, in the course of winning the war, they became the single worst actual gaming system. I just find it funny that, despite constantly increasing sales, increasing numbers of long time Nintendo faithful are becoming bored with, or even selling, their Wii systems. Great sales numbers are awesome bragging rights in a fanboy war on a message board, but you can't insert NPD spreadsheets into your Wii and have a great time playing them, and thats the reality many of these people are being slapped in the face with.

As for the increasing third party support, you're absolutely right. They are in fact getting way more of that, too bad 99% of it is barely playable shareware designed specifically to sell to casual gamers. I'm willing to bet most Nintendo core gamers would trade Nintendo's market dominance off for more actual good games that are worth playing. I own a 360 and PS3, and despite the fact that they are not selling as good as the Wii, they are both better gaming systems than the Wii, and I know full well by not having a Wii, despite it's popularity, and as a gamer, I am not missing out on anything. I do pity the Wii only gamer, he has nothing to look forard to, unless he is REALLY hyped for the next "Petz" game.

CronoSquall

it all depends. thats why opinions are so wonderful...

i own 7 Wii games and yet only 2 ps3 games....

as far as im concerned, im not missing anything on the ps3, but i cant stand to not play SMG, SSBB, and Zelda

[QUOTE="flazzle"]

Games are coming, but not in the same class as the hits of Gears, MGS, etc. Just a different class.

CronoSquall

Different class meaning of course, inferior. The third party support coming to the Wii is coming because of the huge install base, and the majority of that install base is new/casual gamers, and so that increased third party support will be geared specifically towards those people, not core longtime Nintendo fans. My condolences to Nintendo fanboys who thought the increased userbase would mean great things for them, but you guys aren't the reason for the increased userbase, so you will NOT reap the rewards.

Nintendo's core gamers have usually only stuck around for Nintendo's own games.

it has been like this for the last 2 generations.

and im not sure why people are forgetting that the core gamers have already got their 'core' games: zelda, mario, ssbb, mk...

Cheerleading about sales for a Multibillion dollar company is pretty lame. Second only to graphics whores. And depending on what day of the week it is, it's worse.heretrix

yeah, cause cheerleading for the opinion on a game from a game reviewer is so much better

[QUOTE="heretrix"]Cheerleading about sales for a Multibillion dollar company is pretty lame. Second only to graphics whores. And depending on what day of the week it is, it's worse.ogvampire

yeah, cause cheerleading for the opinion on a game from a game reviewer is so much better

I could care less. I'm happy with my 360 games and once I get a PS3, that's even double the fun.

The Wii is by far the worst Nintendo console ever in the history of Nintendo, imo. (no, Virtual Boy is the worst portable)

p.s it's just a question of when we will see 3rd party core games for the wii ,since 3rd party co's will be foolish to ignore it's userbase which is expected to be @ 50 million by next summer

Kakarot00769

That's just a small taste.

Please stop with BS claims