Wii has highest software sales of any console for first 18 months

http://kotaku.com/5010214/nintendo-wii-has-highest-software-sales-for-first-18-months

"About 50 million games were sold for the Wii in its first 18 months, compared to about 42 million games in the first 18 months of the Playstation 2's life. The Xbox 360 came in at 30 million or so, the Xbox at roughly 28 million and finally the Playstation 3 at about 20 million."

:D

*cheerfully ticks off yet another argument haters can use*

Well, the Wii has the best games. Makes sense.DaBrainz

I'm sorry...i didn't get the joke?

so much for the thought that wii owners don't buy gamesOntain

Well, in terms of proportions, it kinda does prove that Wii owners buy fewer games per person. But then again, it also proves how irrelevant that argument is, because developers only care about overall sales, not about how many games Johnny Smith from Indiana buys for himself.

Well, the Wii has the best games. Makes sense.DaBrainz

It has the most games I want and have bought...

So, now lems don't have the best software sells after all. :shock:Lionheart08

No they could have it now. This was just based on the first 18 months of the 360's lifespan

[QUOTE="Lionheart08"]So, now lems don't have the best software sells after all. :shock:HarlockJC

No they could have it now. This was just based on the first 18 months of the 360's lifespan

Oh, my mistake.

[QUOTE="Ontain"]so much for the thought that wii owners don't buy gamesmjarantilla

Well, in terms of proportions, it kinda does prove that Wii owners buy fewer games per person. But then again, it also proves how irrelevant that argument is, because developers only care about overall sales, not about how many games Johnny Smith from Indiana buys for himself.

well it's only natural for the wii to have a lower attach rate. after all it's userbase is growing at a much faster rate than either of the other 2 consoles. we all know that most ppl aren't going to buy 5 games right when they get a system. it'll take some months. since the wii is selling way more hardware than either of the other 2, it also then must have the most new users by percent than the other 2. thus automatically lowering the attachrate.

attachrate comparisons are more relavant when the userbase isn't changing as dramatically.

Ok...a bigger issue for me personally is the name on the boxes that do sell.

Games that aren't specifically aimed at casual gamers or aren't made by Nintendo are having a pretty poor time at retail. It would be great to see more 3rd party developers who are making quality games on the Wii be more rewarded through sales.

[QUOTE="mjarantilla"]

[QUOTE="Ontain"]so much for the thought that wii owners don't buy gamesOntain

Well, in terms of proportions, it kinda does prove that Wii owners buy fewer games per person. But then again, it also proves how irrelevant that argument is, because developers only care about overall sales, not about how many games Johnny Smith from Indiana buys for himself.

well it's only natural for the wii to have a lower attach rate. after all it's userbase is growing at a much faster rate than either of the other 2 consoles. we all know that most ppl aren't going to buy 5 games right when they get a system. it'll take some months. since the wii is selling way more hardware than either of the other 2, it also then must have the most new users by percent than the other 2. thus automatically lowering the attachrate.

attachrate comparisons are more relavant when the userbase isn't changing as dramatically.

Agreed. That's what people don't understand in SW. If the install base doesn't grow fast, the attach rate will definitely go up. That's why the attach rate is misleading when brought up in arguments when people don't fully comprehend why it is so high. MS' PR department has done an excellent job in promoting the attach rate.

Also, another argument that is often used is when people only look at the top 10 best selling video games. There are actually other video games that do sell that aren't in the top 10. If they sell consistently from month to month, it means the console is doing well. You just can't depend solely on the top 10 to tell you everything.

Although I imagine 60% of those are shovelware and the rest are actual good third party games and first party games, it is still good news for the Wii.spinecaton

if true, you would have seen shovelware in the top 50 sales charts, but you dont. so no

Although I imagine 60% of those are shovelware and the rest are actual good third party games and first party games, it is still good news for the Wii.spinecaton

And most of those Sales are Shovelware. black_awpN1

:roll: read the above 2 posts

Ok...a bigger issue for me personally is the name on the boxes that do sell.

Games that aren't specifically aimed at casual gamers or aren't made by Nintendo are having a pretty poor time at retail. It would be great to see more 3rd party developers who are making quality games on the Wii be more rewarded through sales.

SpruceCaboose

So which great third party games have done poorly at retail?

Wii sports and Wii play shouldnt count.

People buy Wii sports whether they want it or not and Wiiplay is bundled with an essential accessory.

And most of those Sales are Shovelware. black_awpN1

Lets look at some of the best selling titles on the Wii which make up the biggest part of that number

SMG, SSBB, Mario Kart Wii, Mario Party 8, Zelda, GH3 are some of the best selling titles on the Wii and make up the biggest part of that list none of those are Shovelware in fact besides maybe Carnvel games no shovelware titles seem to sell very high

And most of those Sales are Shovelware. black_awpN1

And you know this how? :roll:

Lol haters are so typical, they'll never have reliable sources backing up their claims, they KNOW they're wrong LMFAO.

Wii sports and Wii play shouldnt count.

People buy Wii sports whether they want it or not and Wiiplay is bundled with an essential accessory.

-GhostMLD-

You should read the link the number does not count Wiisports

Ok...a bigger issue for me personally is the name on the boxes that do sell.

Games that aren't specifically aimed at casual gamers or aren't made by Nintendo are having a pretty poor time at retail. It would be great to see more 3rd party developers who are making quality games on the Wii be more rewarded through sales.

SpruceCaboose

Wii sports and Wii play shouldnt count.

People buy Wii sports whether they want it or not and Wiiplay is bundled with an essential accessory.

-GhostMLD-

Wii sports is sold separately in Japan.

i still dont know why you dont count Wiiplay, i guess we shouldnt count ANY games that are bundled then. seeing as the consumer has the option to just buy the Wiimote by itself without Wiiplay

So, now lems don't have the best software sells after all. :shock:Lionheart08

They never really did. Even if they bring up any NPD figures, Next-gen biz themselves said that Wii has outsold 360 software every month from December until this month (GTA IV).

Wii still won in Europe and Japan though, especially Japan, where it's the only console to have a game that sold more than 400k (12 of them in fact).

[QUOTE="spinecaton"]Although I imagine 60% of those are shovelware and the rest are actual good third party games and first party games, it is still good news for the Wii.m_machine024

When you work in a retail store and see the majority of the games being bought on the wii is Carnival Games, Wii Play, Deca Sports, Rapala Fishing Tournament, Mario Party 8, Game Party, and a lot of movie based games it is kind of hard not to think that majority of game sales are shovelware. Maybe I just live in a part of the country where people buy craptastic game :|

[QUOTE="m_machine024"][QUOTE="spinecaton"]Although I imagine 60% of those are shovelware and the rest are actual good third party games and first party games, it is still good news for the Wii.spinecaton

When you work in a retail store and see the majority of the games being bought on the wii is Carnival Games, Wii Play, Deca Sports, Rapala Fishing Tournament, Mario Party 8, Game Party, and a lot of movie based games it is kind of hard not to think that majority of game sales are shovelware. Maybe I just live in a part of the country where people buy craptastic game :|

exactly. also, Mario Party and Carnival Games arent actually considered shovelware. those other games havent been anywhere near the top 50 sales charts for any month

[QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"]

Ok...a bigger issue for me personally is the name on the boxes that do sell.

Games that aren't specifically aimed at casual gamers or aren't made by Nintendo are having a pretty poor time at retail. It would be great to see more 3rd party developers who are making quality games on the Wii be more rewarded through sales.

m_machine024

Not as bad, but not as great as they deserve to be, which is not a slam on the Wii itself. But the shovelware and Nintendo games tend to over-shadow the other great games on the platform.

As for GH3, that smashing sales projections should have been expected. GH games appeal to casual gamers (and hardcore as well, just saying most of my non-gamer friends want to play GH and RB and not GTA IV when they are over) and is a unique genre, and the Wii's largest audience ATM is geared right in that demographic.

[QUOTE="m_machine024"][QUOTE="spinecaton"]Although I imagine 60% of those are shovelware and the rest are actual good third party games and first party games, it is still good news for the Wii.spinecaton

When you work in a retail store and see the majority of the games being bought on the wii is Carnival Games, Wii Play, Deca Sports, Rapala Fishing Tournament, Mario Party 8, Game Party, and a lot of movie based games it is kind of hard not to think that majority of game sales are shovelware. Maybe I just live in a part of the country where people buy craptastic game :|

The only games you listed that sold well in the US are MP8 and Carnial Games, so yes to "Maybe I just live in a part of the country where people buy craptastic game"

[QUOTE="spinecaton"]

[QUOTE="m_machine024"][QUOTE="spinecaton"]Although I imagine 60% of those are shovelware and the rest are actual good third party games and first party games, it is still good news for the Wii.ogvampire

When you work in a retail store and see the majority of the games being bought on the wii is Carnival Games, Wii Play, Deca Sports, Rapala Fishing Tournament, Mario Party 8, Game Party, and a lot of movie based games it is kind of hard not to think that majority of game sales are shovelware. Maybe I just live in a part of the country where people buy craptastic game :|

exactly. also, Mario Party and Carnival Games arent actually considered shovelware. those other games havent been anywhere near the top 50 sales charts for any month

Doesn't have to be in the top 50 saleschart to sell a good amount over time. Maybe I stretched it too far with saying 60%, it is probably around 25-30%. Mario Party and Carnival games are shovelware, just because it can provide some entertainment doesn't mean it isn't shovelware. Carnival games was made as a quick money grabber for the Wii due to the success of party games Wii has. Carnival Games and Mario Party 8 just happen to get a good formula that works for it. Other party games include stuff like Bloom Blox which is not a shovelware game because you can actually see the production values behind it. In the games I listed, I saw very low production value.

[QUOTE="spinecaton"]

[QUOTE="m_machine024"][QUOTE="spinecaton"]Although I imagine 60% of those are shovelware and the rest are actual good third party games and first party games, it is still good news for the Wii.ogvampire

When you work in a retail store and see the majority of the games being bought on the wii is Carnival Games, Wii Play, Deca Sports, Rapala Fishing Tournament, Mario Party 8, Game Party, and a lot of movie based games it is kind of hard not to think that majority of game sales are shovelware. Maybe I just live in a part of the country where people buy craptastic game :|

exactly. also, Mario Party and Carnival Games arent actually considered shovelware. those other games havent been anywhere near the top 50 sales charts for any month

[QUOTE="m_machine024"][QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"]

Ok...a bigger issue for me personally is the name on the boxes that do sell.

Games that aren't specifically aimed at casual gamers or aren't made by Nintendo are having a pretty poor time at retail. It would be great to see more 3rd party developers who are making quality games on the Wii be more rewarded through sales.

SpruceCaboose

Not as bad, but not as great as they deserve to be, which is not a slam on the Wii itself. But the shovelware and Nintendo games tend to over-shadow the other great games on the platform.

As for GH3, that smashing sales projections should have been expected. GH games appeal to casual gamers (and hardcore as well, just saying most of my non-gamer friends want to play GH and RB and not GTA IV when they are over) and is a unique genre, and the Wii's largest audience ATM is geared right in that demographic.

[QUOTE="ogvampire"][QUOTE="spinecaton"]

[QUOTE="m_machine024"][QUOTE="spinecaton"]Although I imagine 60% of those are shovelware and the rest are actual good third party games and first party games, it is still good news for the Wii.spinecaton

When you work in a retail store and see the majority of the games being bought on the wii is Carnival Games, Wii Play, Deca Sports, Rapala Fishing Tournament, Mario Party 8, Game Party, and a lot of movie based games it is kind of hard not to think that majority of game sales are shovelware. Maybe I just live in a part of the country where people buy craptastic game :|

exactly. also, Mario Party and Carnival Games arent actually considered shovelware. those other games havent been anywhere near the top 50 sales charts for any month

Doesn't have to be in the top 50 saleschart to sell a good amount over time. Maybe I stretched it too far with saying 60%, it is probably around 25-30%. Mario Party and Carnival games are shovelware, just because it can provide some entertainment doesn't mean it isn't shovelware. Carnival games was made as a quick money grabber for the Wii due to the success of party games Wii has. Carnival Games and Mario Party 8 just happen to get a good formula that works for it. Other party games include stuff like Bloom Blox which is not a shovelware game because you can actually see the production values behind it. In the games I listed, I saw very low production value.

low production value for Mario Party? are you sure about that?

[QUOTE="m_machine024"][QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"]

Ok...a bigger issue for me personally is the name on the boxes that do sell.

Games that aren't specifically aimed at casual gamers or aren't made by Nintendo are having a pretty poor time at retail. It would be great to see more 3rd party developers who are making quality games on the Wii be more rewarded through sales.

SpruceCaboose

Not as bad, but not as great as they deserve to be, which is not a slam on the Wii itself. But the shovelware and Nintendo games tend to over-shadow the other great games on the platform.

As for GH3, that smashing sales projections should have been expected. GH games appeal to casual gamers (and hardcore as well, just saying most of my non-gamer friends want to play GH and RB and not GTA IV when they are over) and is a unique genre, and the Wii's largest audience ATM is geared right in that demographic.

So what shovelware games have outsold those listed?

You have to thank Wii play for majority of that. Great strategy from Nintendo have to admit.jharv

Wiiplay sold 26 million units? :|

[QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"]

Not as bad, but not as great as they deserve to be, which is not a slam on the Wii itself. But the shovelware and Nintendo games tend to over-shadow the other great games on the platform.

As for GH3, that smashing sales projections should have been expected. GH games appeal to casual gamers (and hardcore as well, just saying most of my non-gamer friends want to play GH and RB and not GTA IV when they are over) and is a unique genre, and the Wii's largest audience ATM is geared right in that demographic.

m_machine024

I just hate that I see so much potential in the Wii that goes to waste, and when I say that it is, I get pegged as a Wii-basher.

If more 3rd parties made huge money from good Wii games like Z&W or NMH, and stopped making money with crap like Carnival Games, I see so much more potential that the developers could tap and make great, compelling 3rd party games, so maybe I could get more great games on the Wii that aren't made by Nintendo.

Boom Blox is a great example. Another could be a real, deep game like Wii Sports. I would gladly buy a bowling game that actually had time and production values put into it, or a great golf game with depth and love used.

And there are so many other uses and creative ideas that could be put into use on the Wii, but no one is willing to try if the potential of huge rewards aren't there. More sales for good titles is a great thing for all Wii owners, hitting sales goals or not.

[QUOTE="spinecaton"][QUOTE="ogvampire"][QUOTE="spinecaton"]

[QUOTE="m_machine024"][QUOTE="spinecaton"]Although I imagine 60% of those are shovelware and the rest are actual good third party games and first party games, it is still good news for the Wii.ogvampire

When you work in a retail store and see the majority of the games being bought on the wii is Carnival Games, Wii Play, Deca Sports, Rapala Fishing Tournament, Mario Party 8, Game Party, and a lot of movie based games it is kind of hard not to think that majority of game sales are shovelware. Maybe I just live in a part of the country where people buy craptastic game :|

exactly. also, Mario Party and Carnival Games arent actually considered shovelware. those other games havent been anywhere near the top 50 sales charts for any month

Doesn't have to be in the top 50 saleschart to sell a good amount over time. Maybe I stretched it too far with saying 60%, it is probably around 25-30%. Mario Party and Carnival games are shovelware, just because it can provide some entertainment doesn't mean it isn't shovelware. Carnival games was made as a quick money grabber for the Wii due to the success of party games Wii has. Carnival Games and Mario Party 8 just happen to get a good formula that works for it. Other party games include stuff like Bloom Blox which is not a shovelware game because you can actually see the production values behind it. In the games I listed, I saw very low production value.

low production value for Mario Party? are you sure about that?

Including some of the same mini games from previous versions, not taking the time to make it rescale for wide screen TVs, having a small graphical update then previous versions = low production value. It isn't too hard to just add flat textures to an 3D plane when you don't. I mean come on when comparing it to other games that actually have real production values, it looks pretty washed out.

exactly. also, Mario Party and Carnival Games arent actually considered shovelware. those other games havent been anywhere near the top 50 sales charts for any month

spinecaton

Doesn't have to be in the top 50 saleschart to sell a good amount over time. Maybe I stretched it too far with saying 60%, it is probably around 25-30%. Mario Party and Carnival games are shovelware, just because it can provide some entertainment doesn't mean it isn't shovelware. Carnival games was made as a quick money grabber for the Wii due to the success of party games Wii has. Carnival Games and Mario Party 8 just happen to get a good formula that works for it. Other party games include stuff like Bloom Blox which is not a shovelware game because you can actually see the production values behind it. In the games I listed, I saw very low production value.

low production value for Mario Party? are you sure about that?

Including some of the same mini games from previous versions, not taking the time to make it rescale for wide screen TVs, having a small graphical update then previous versions = low production value. It isn't too hard to just add flat textures to an 3D plane when you don't. I mean come on when comparing it to other games that actually have real production values, it looks pretty washed out.

im pretty sure MP 8 cost at least a couple million to make. i have no proof, but compare it to real shovelware, and you can see that it isnt.

[QUOTE="jharv"]You have to thank Wii play for majority of that. Great strategy from Nintendo have to admit.ogvampire

Wiiplay sold 26 million units? :|

You only have to sell more than the other games that contribute to the 50 million to be the majority and with Wii Play at somewhere between 10-12 million sales, it is easily the majority.

Mario Party 8 is not shovelware. A game has to get lower than a B score to be shovelware (6.0-). Mario Party 8 has 6.5 which is "fair", not "mediocre". And thus, not shovelware.Eponique

Is that an actual rule? Or just one you want to use. Sure there was bound to be a Mario Party on the Wii but there isn't much thought to these games anymore, they come out almost every year and the score keeps getting worse and worse. They aren't changing much to evolve the franchise.

Yikes, must we go through this again and now I have taken the plunge and purchased a Wii.

I had almost,on numerous occasions purchased the Wii as a bundle b/c many retailers like Wall-mart & Circuit City mandate that you buy the Wii with friggin 7 games included and as even almost two years on the market, Nintendo is keeping them in short supply so many get suckered into buying the Wii with 7 games because umm we want a Wii I guess.

To my knowledge, 360/PS3/PC can be purchased everywhere without being dictated to buy 7 games you didn't intend to purchase in the first place.

Umm ya think that just could account for some of those software sales ?

Me thinks so and plenty of others as well - just stop the fooling around b/c the 360 is King when it comes to games sold by about a light year and nobody is forced to buy them. ;)

[QUOTE="ogvampire"]

[QUOTE="jharv"]You have to thank Wii play for majority of that. Great strategy from Nintendo have to admit.RurouniSaiyajin

Wiiplay sold 26 million units? :|

You only have to sell more than the other games that contribute to the 50 million to be the majority and with Wii Play at somewhere between 10-12 million sales, it is easily the majority.

oh. so thats what he meant

[QUOTE="Eponique"]Mario Party 8 is not shovelware. A game has to get lower than a B score to be shovelware (6.0-). Mario Party 8 has 6.5 which is "fair", not "mediocre". And thus, not shovelware.spinecaton

Is that an actual rule? Or just one you want to use. Sure there was bound to be a Mario Party on the Wii but there isn't much thought to these games anymore, they come out almost every year and the score keeps getting worse and worse.They aren't changing much to evolve the franchise.

madden, nba, nhl says hello. except for the nhl franchise, one could easily make the case that those other games come out every year with only minimal updates and reduced quality.

so i suppose the yearly madden and nba games are shovelware in your opinion

[QUOTE="Eponique"]Mario Party 8 is not shovelware. A game has to get lower than a B score to be shovelware (6.0-). Mario Party 8 has 6.5 which is "fair", not "mediocre". And thus, not shovelware.spinecaton

Yikes, must we go through this again and now I have taken the plunge and purchased a Wii.

I had almost,on numerous occasions purchased the Wii as a bundle b/c many retailers like Wall-mart & Circuit City mandate that you buy the Wii with friggin 7 games included and as even almost two years on the market, Nintendo is keeping them in short supply so many get suckered into buying the Wii with 7 games because umm we want a Wii I guess.

To my knowledge, 360/PS3/PC can be purchased everywhere without being dictated to buy 7 games you didn't intend to purchase in the first place.

Umm ya think that just could account for some of those software sales ?

Me thinks so and plenty of others as well - just stop the fooling around b/c the 360 is King when it comes to games sold by about a light year and nobody is forced to buy them. ;)

SecretPolice

700k in the month of April alone? The Wii >>> 360, PS3, PSP, PS2 in combined sales. The Wii is also outpacing the PS2 in their respective lifetimes. How is it that you trolls keep using the same stale argument when the numbers continue to prove you wrong?