Wii has highest software sales of any console for first 18 months

So what shovelware games have outsold those listed?

Zhengi

Ok... maybe not shovelware. That term is kinda harsh and subjective. How about games that, IMO, did not deserve to outsell games of that caliber?

No More Heroes sold 0.3 million copies, Zack & Wiki sold 0.36 million copies, TC: New Blood sold 0.13 million, TC: Second Opinion sold 0.53 million, Okami Wii sold 0.09 million.

Boom Blox is at 0.05 million right now, but its new, so I will let it slide.

Wii Play sold 12.16 million, MP8 at 5.16 million, Mario & Sonic at the Olympics sold 4.37 million, Link's Crossbow at 1.94 million, Carnival Games at 1.8 million, MySims at 1.06 million, Red Steel at 1.05 million, High School musical at 0.81 million. Game Party moved 0.63 million, Smarty Pants pushed 0.61 million units. Donkey Kong Barrel Blast sold 0.39 million units.

Carnival Games alone outsold NMH, Z&W, both Trauma Centers, Okami Wii, and (so far) Boom Blox combined.

Damn, excuses after excuses in this thread. "Buh teh shovelware, teh wii play, teh bundles", nothing we haven't actually heard of before, and this is suppose to explain the 20 million difference?

[QUOTE="SecretPolice"]

Yikes, must we go through this again and now I have taken the plunge and purchased a Wii.

I had almost,on numerous occasions purchased the Wii as a bundle b/c many retailers like Wall-mart & Circuit City mandate that you buy the Wii with friggin 7 games included and as even almost two years on the market, Nintendo is keeping them in short supply so many get suckered into buying the Wii with 7 games because umm we want a Wii I guess.

To my knowledge, 360/PS3/PC can be purchased everywhere without being dictated to buy 7 games you didn't intend to purchase in the first place.

Umm ya think that just could account for some of those software sales ?

Me thinks so and plenty of others as well - just stop the fooling around b/c the 360 is King when it comes to games sold by about a light year and nobody is forced to buy them. ;)

Zhengi

700k in the month of April alone? The Wii >>> 360, PS3, PSP, PS2 in combined sales. The Wii is also outpacing the PS2 in their respective lifetimes. How is it that you trolls keep using the same stale argument when the numbers continue to prove you wrong?

http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/874/874138p1.html

The release goes on to state that the software attach rate for the 360 is higher than any other console this generation (including Wii). Saying that the attach rate for Xbox 360 games is twice that of the Wii and a 16-2 lead when it comes to game titles topping one million units sold.

[QUOTE="spinecaton"]

[QUOTE="Eponique"]Mario Party 8 is not shovelware. A game has to get lower than a B score to be shovelware (6.0-). Mario Party 8 has 6.5 which is "fair", not "mediocre". And thus, not shovelware.ogvampire

Is that an actual rule? Or just one you want to use. Sure there was bound to be a Mario Party on the Wii but there isn't much thought to these games anymore, they come out almost every year and the score keeps getting worse and worse.They aren't changing much to evolve the franchise.

madden, nba, nhl says hello. except for the nhl franchise, one could easily make the case that those other games come out every year with only minimal updates and reduced quality.

so i suppose the yearly madden and nba games are shovelware in your opinion

Sports games are a little different in the retrospect, they always tend to add something new to the game(wheather it be big addition like Franchise mode back in the 90's or something as small as a new move) that can change the way the game is played slightly. Comparing it to Mario Party 8 and other Party Games is hard because of the different additions one could add. I however hate Madden and all other sports games and think they should be scored lower then what they are at. I also don't like how they tend to sell very well year after year with the tiny updated changes they implement. So I would consider them shovelware in my eyes.

You really can't compare the evolution of Mario Party games to Sports games because there is no comparison between the two in the first place. Now yoou can compare Mario Party to Fuzion Frenzy if you want and I would not object to saying both are shovelware.

[QUOTE="spinecaton"] [QUOTE="Eponique"]Mario Party 8 is not shovelware. A game has to get lower than a B score to be shovelware (6.0-). Mario Party 8 has 6.5 which is "fair", not "mediocre". And thus, not shovelware.Eponique

Lol okay, I don't remember those possibly due to the fact that I never went in those threads but I'll take back Mario PArty 8 as shovelware in general and only say it is shovelware in my eyes! :P

Wii has sold far more consoles than any other console in the first eighteen months, though. Find an accurate attach rate before giving us these numbers.dewmandew7

attach rate no longer matters lemming.

Not so fast there slick.

http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/874/874138p1.html

The release goes on to state that the software attach rate for the 360 is higher than any other console this generation (including Wii). Saying that the attach rate for Xbox 360 games is twice that of the Wii and a 16-2 lead when it comes to game titles topping one million units sold.

SecretPolice

Wii still sells more overall software and thus less risky for developers to develop their games. You can claim attach rate all day, but the Gamecube didn't rise to heaven because of its high attach rate.

[QUOTE="ogvampire"][QUOTE="spinecaton"]

[QUOTE="Eponique"]Mario Party 8 is not shovelware. A game has to get lower than a B score to be shovelware (6.0-). Mario Party 8 has 6.5 which is "fair", not "mediocre". And thus, not shovelware.spinecaton

Is that an actual rule? Or just one you want to use. Sure there was bound to be a Mario Party on the Wii but there isn't much thought to these games anymore, they come out almost every year and the score keeps getting worse and worse.They aren't changing much to evolve the franchise.

madden, nba, nhl says hello. except for the nhl franchise, one could easily make the case that those other games come out every year with only minimal updates and reduced quality.

so i suppose the yearly madden and nba games are shovelware in your opinion

Sports games are a little different in the retrospect, they always tend to add something new to the game(wheather it be big addition like Franchise mode back in the 90's or something as small as a new move) that can change the way the game is played slightly. Comparing it to Mario Party 8 and other Party Games is hard because of the different additions one could add. I however hate Madden and all other sports games and think they should be scored lower then what they are at. I also don't like how they tend to sell very well year after year with the tiny updated changes they implement. So I would consider them shovelware in my eyes.

You really can't compare the evolution of Mario Party games to Sports games because there is no comparison between the two in the first place. Now yoou can compare Mario Party to Fuzion Frenzy if you want and I would not object to saying both are shovelware.

i wasnt comparing the games, i was using the sports franchises to prove a point. they come out every year with only minor changes, like mario parties. but sports franchies are not considered shovelware, so i dont see why MP would be when it follows the same rules.

EDIT: oops, saw the post above saying that Mario Party is shovelware in your eyes. nevermind my post

[QUOTE="spinecaton"][QUOTE="ogvampire"][QUOTE="spinecaton"]

[QUOTE="Eponique"]Mario Party 8 is not shovelware. A game has to get lower than a B score to be shovelware (6.0-). Mario Party 8 has 6.5 which is "fair", not "mediocre". And thus, not shovelware.ogvampire

Is that an actual rule? Or just one you want to use. Sure there was bound to be a Mario Party on the Wii but there isn't much thought to these games anymore, they come out almost every year and the score keeps getting worse and worse.They aren't changing much to evolve the franchise.

madden, nba, nhl says hello. except for the nhl franchise, one could easily make the case that those other games come out every year with only minimal updates and reduced quality.

so i suppose the yearly madden and nba games are shovelware in your opinion

Sports games are a little different in the retrospect, they always tend to add something new to the game(wheather it be big addition like Franchise mode back in the 90's or something as small as a new move) that can change the way the game is played slightly. Comparing it to Mario Party 8 and other Party Games is hard because of the different additions one could add. I however hate Madden and all other sports games and think they should be scored lower then what they are at. I also don't like how they tend to sell very well year after year with the tiny updated changes they implement. So I would consider them shovelware in my eyes.

You really can't compare the evolution of Mario Party games to Sports games because there is no comparison between the two in the first place. Now yoou can compare Mario Party to Fuzion Frenzy if you want and I would not object to saying both are shovelware.

i wasnt comparing the games, i was using the sports franchises to prove a point. they come out every year with only minor changes, like mario parties. but sports franchies are not considered shovelware, so i dont see why MP would be when it follows the same rules.

EDIT: oops, saw the post above saying that Mario Party is shovelware in your eyes. nevermind my post

And I never said you were comparing them, I said you can't compare the evolution of the two franchises.

[QUOTE="SecretPolice"]Not so fast there slick.

http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/874/874138p1.html

The release goes on to state that the software attach rate for the 360 is higher than any other console this generation (including Wii). Saying that the attach rate for Xbox 360 games is twice that of the Wii and a 16-2 lead when it comes to game titles topping one million units sold.

Eponique

Wii still sells more overall software and thus less risky for developers to develop their games. You can claim attach rate all day, but the Gamecube didn't rise to heaven because of its high attach rate.

Next thing you know, people are clamoring for them and Nintendo & retailers are FORCING many who want one to also pay for 7 ADDITIONAL games they never intended to buy.

Whatchathink there big guy - could it be a factor ? ;)

What did Mario Galaxy sell? Like 6 million I think?

I'm kinda glad Nintendo is "winning" this gen. They're the grandpa of modern video gaming, lol.

Not so fast there slick.

http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/874/874138p1.html

The release goes on to state that the software attach rate for the 360 is higher than any other console this generation (including Wii). Saying that the attach rate for Xbox 360 games is twice that of the Wii and a 16-2 lead when it comes to game titles topping one million units sold.

SecretPolice

[QUOTE="Zhengi"][QUOTE="SecretPolice"]

Yikes, must we go through this again and now I have taken the plunge and purchased a Wii.

I had almost,on numerous occasions purchased the Wii as a bundle b/c many retailers like Wall-mart & Circuit City mandate that you buy the Wii with friggin 7 games included and as even almost two years on the market, Nintendo is keeping them in short supply so many get suckered into buying the Wii with 7 games because umm we want a Wii I guess.

To my knowledge, 360/PS3/PC can be purchased everywhere without being dictated to buy 7 games you didn't intend to purchase in the first place.

Umm ya think that just could account for some of those software sales ?

Me thinks so and plenty of others as well - just stop the fooling around b/c the 360 is King when it comes to games sold by about a light year and nobody is forced to buy them. ;)

SecretPolice

700k in the month of April alone? The Wii >>> 360, PS3, PSP, PS2 in combined sales. The Wii is also outpacing the PS2 in their respective lifetimes. How is it that you trolls keep using the same stale argument when the numbers continue to prove you wrong?

http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/874/874138p1.html

The release goes on to state that the software attach rate for the 360 is higher than any other console this generation (including Wii). Saying that the attach rate for Xbox 360 games is twice that of the Wii and a 16-2 lead when it comes to game titles topping one million units sold.

What does that link have to do with what I wrote? I'm commenting on your "Nintendo is keeping them in short supply..." when the numbers are already proving you wrong. 700k during a down month and outselling the 360, PS3, PSP, and PS2 combined is Nintendo keeping them in short supply? Yeah, that makes a lot of sense.

As for your link, as others have mentioned, attach ratio is a misleading stat if the userbase doesn't grow with it. There is some info that can be gained from it, but it is incomplete if not looked at fully with other data. That is why it's great spin work by MS PR department.

Also, I'm curious about that 16-2 lead for games that have sold one million. If they are only talking about the US, the Wii already has SMG, SSBB, Guitar Hero 3, and Mario Kart Wii as million sellers. How is that a 16-2 lead? Even if they were talking about ratios, that doesn't make sense and it doesn't seem too impressive when you consider worldwide million sellers for the Wii are around 26 titles.

Maybe Nintendo had this plan you know, lets not do what we did last gen and flood the market with GC's only to see people were not buying them up and this gen with the new controller we will see how it goes.

SecretPolice

wii outsold the GC's lifetime sales in less than 2 years. so much for your theory.

Here's something else for you math gurus to consider. The Wii is currently at 25 million consoles sold worldwide. Since we know that the Wii is two GameCube's duct taped together, that means that the Wii is actually at 50 million consoles sold worldwide!! It should hit 100 million consoles sold by next year!!! :)

I think a lot of people are serioulsy discounting the forced bundles (which can incude up to 10 games in some cases) which are still going on to this day. Not to mention Wii Play sales.ramey70

What about the Halo forced bundles? The MGS4 forced bundles? Should we count those if you don't want to count the Wii bundles? If people are willing to pay for it, then who is to say they are wrong?

Here's something else for you math gurus to consider. The Wii is currently at 25 million consoles sold worldwide. Since we know that the Wii is two GameCube's duct taped together, that means that the Wii is actually at 50 million consoles sold worldwide!! It should hit 100 million consoles sold by next year!!! :)

Zhengi

I'm not bashing the Wii. No where did I say anything negative about the Wii. All I said was that I hope that more quality 3rd party games start selling in big numbers, as right now, Ninty games and poorer quality 3rd party titles are dominating the software sales. And I showed you the proof that you asked for. I like the Wii. I just want to see other companies actually push the system besides just Nintendo, and for that, developers/publishers need to see that there are rewards for making quality titles.

[QUOTE="ramey70"]I think a lot of people are serioulsy discounting the forced bundles (which can incude up to 10 games in some cases) which are still going on to this day. Not to mention Wii Play sales.Zhengi

What about the Halo forced bundles? The MGS4 forced bundles? Should we count those if you don't want to count the Wii bundles? If people are willing to pay for it, then who is to say they are wrong?

Halo and MGS are not forced bundles. Now you are being irrational. I can buy the 360 or PS3 without those games, very easily at any retailer.

[QUOTE="Zhengi"]

[QUOTE="ramey70"]I think a lot of people are serioulsy discounting the forced bundles (which can incude up to 10 games in some cases) which are still going on to this day. Not to mention Wii Play sales.SpruceCaboose

What about the Halo forced bundles? The MGS4 forced bundles? Should we count those if you don't want to count the Wii bundles? If people are willing to pay for it, then who is to say they are wrong?

Halo and MGS are not forced bundles. Now you are being irrational. I can buy the 360 or PS3 without those games, very easily at any retailer.

You can buy Wiis without the bundles as well. No one is holding a gun to anyone's head and forcing them to buy the Wii with all those games. I don't understand that logic either. If they don't want the Wii with those games, they can always wait.

[QUOTE="Zhengi"]

Here's something else for you math gurus to consider. The Wii is currently at 25 million consoles sold worldwide. Since we know that the Wii is two GameCube's duct taped together, that means that the Wii is actually at 50 million consoles sold worldwide!! It should hit 100 million consoles sold by next year!!! :)

SpruceCaboose

I'm not bashing the Wii. No where did I say anything negative about the Wii. All I said was that I hope that more quality 3rd party games start selling in big numbers, as right now, Ninty games and poorer quality 3rd party titles are dominating the software sales. And I showed you the proof that you asked for. I like the Wii. I just want to see other companies actually push the system besides just Nintendo, and for that, developers/publishers need to see that there are rewards for making quality titles.

I didn't say you were. I'm just having fun with that post :)

[QUOTE="Eponique"][QUOTE="SecretPolice"]Not so fast there slick.

http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/874/874138p1.html

The release goes on to state that the software attach rate for the 360 is higher than any other console this generation (including Wii). Saying that the attach rate for Xbox 360 games is twice that of the Wii and a 16-2 lead when it comes to game titles topping one million units sold.

SecretPolice

Wii still sells more overall software and thus less risky for developers to develop their games. You can claim attach rate all day, but the Gamecube didn't rise to heaven because of its high attach rate.

Next thing you know, people are clamoring for them and Nintendo & retailers are FORCING many who want one to also pay for 7 ADDITIONAL games they never intended to buy.

Whatchathink there big guy - could it be a factor ? ;)

So how many people actually buy those Wiis? If you were able to find a Wii, that tells that store actually had stock -- so someone must have not bought it.

[QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"][QUOTE="Zhengi"]

[QUOTE="ramey70"]I think a lot of people are serioulsy discounting the forced bundles (which can incude up to 10 games in some cases) which are still going on to this day. Not to mention Wii Play sales.Zhengi

What about the Halo forced bundles? The MGS4 forced bundles? Should we count those if you don't want to count the Wii bundles? If people are willing to pay for it, then who is to say they are wrong?

Halo and MGS are not forced bundles. Now you are being irrational. I can buy the 360 or PS3 without those games, very easily at any retailer.

You can buy Wiis without the bundles as well. No one is holding a gun to anyone's head and forcing them to buy the Wii with all those games. I don't understand that logic either. If they don't want the Wii with those games, they can always wait.

I never said they were, but many retailers were only selling Wiis in software bundles when they were very hard to find. Nintendo even publicly said that they disliked bundles, but that they could not stop retailers from doing them.

[QUOTE="Zhengi"][QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"][QUOTE="Zhengi"]

[QUOTE="ramey70"]I think a lot of people are serioulsy discounting the forced bundles (which can incude up to 10 games in some cases) which are still going on to this day. Not to mention Wii Play sales.SpruceCaboose

What about the Halo forced bundles? The MGS4 forced bundles? Should we count those if you don't want to count the Wii bundles? If people are willing to pay for it, then who is to say they are wrong?

Halo and MGS are not forced bundles. Now you are being irrational. I can buy the 360 or PS3 without those games, very easily at any retailer.

You can buy Wiis without the bundles as well. No one is holding a gun to anyone's head and forcing them to buy the Wii with all those games. I don't understand that logic either. If they don't want the Wii with those games, they can always wait.

I never said they were, but many retailers were only selling Wiis in software bundles when they were very hard to find. Nintendo even publicly said that they disliked bundles, but that they could not stop retailers from doing them.

Which is connected to my point. If retailers are bundling games with the console and the customer is willing to buy them, how is this not counted towards the software total? The Halo bundles and the MGS4 bundles will be counted towards the software totals regardless of whether or not they are forced. This is what I don't understand. Why is Nintendo penalized for things that MS and Sony are allowed to do? Heck, Nintendo can count Wii Sports as part of their software totals but they don't do that.

In fact, during the holidays, retailers were offering 360s along with games as an incentive to sell the console. It seems perfectly fine to me to count those as part of the software totals since they are games that are sold.

Ah haters owned.

Yet they'll find some other excuse, probably like saying most of those selling games are 'shovelware' or 'crap'

:lol: I love this ownage.Haziqonfire

lol. check the first page of posts on this thread.

[QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"][QUOTE="Zhengi"]

[QUOTE="ramey70"]I think a lot of people are serioulsy discounting the forced bundles (which can incude up to 10 games in some cases) which are still going on to this day. Not to mention Wii Play sales.Zhengi

What about the Halo forced bundles? The MGS4 forced bundles? Should we count those if you don't want to count the Wii bundles? If people are willing to pay for it, then who is to say they are wrong?

Halo and MGS are not forced bundles. Now you are being irrational. I can buy the 360 or PS3 without those games, very easily at any retailer.

You can buy Wiis without the bundles as well. No one is holding a gun to anyone's head and forcing them to buy the Wii with all those games. I don't understand that logic either. If they don't want the Wii with those games, they can always wait.

Apples and oranges. You don't have to wait for a 360 or PS3 if a bundle is offered. You can simply select one of the stand alone systems and make your purchase. I bought my Wii in a 7 game bundle and wanted NONE of the games.

I think a lot of people are serioulsy discounting the forced bundles (which can incude up to 10 games in some cases) which are still going on to this day. Not to mention Wii Play sales.ramey70

I'm sorry, but I doubt that megabundles are still accounting for a lot of sales anymore. There are plenty of other options for people that really want a Wii. Both ebay and Craigslist have plenty of Wiis going for very little over retail now. Heck if you go with Craigslist you usually even get the receipt, so returning it wouldn't be a hassle if needed. I've actually found over the past few months that Wiis are quite easy to find if you look in the ads and go on weeks that they're advertised. I've even found them several days later. Not saying they're not more difficult to find than your average 360 or PS3, but not impossible and certainly not worth buying hundreds of $ of stuff you don't want.

[QUOTE="SecretPolice"][QUOTE="Eponique"][QUOTE="SecretPolice"]Not so fast there slick.

http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/874/874138p1.html

The release goes on to state that the software attach rate for the 360 is higher than any other console this generation (including Wii). Saying that the attach rate for Xbox 360 games is twice that of the Wii and a 16-2 lead when it comes to game titles topping one million units sold.

Eponique

Wii still sells more overall software and thus less risky for developers to develop their games. You can claim attach rate all day, but the Gamecube didn't rise to heaven because of its high attach rate.

Next thing you know, people are clamoring for them and Nintendo & retailers are FORCING many who want one to also pay for 7 ADDITIONAL games they never intended to buy.

Whatchathink there big guy - could it be a factor ? ;)

So how many people actually buy those Wiis? If you were able to find a Wii, that tells that store actually had stock -- so someone must have not bought it.

I held off but cmon, you know many purchased their Wii as a bundle, don't you ?

Um....good for the developers, I suppose. But the majority of the games on Wii are crap, sadly.

Um....good for the developers, I suppose. But the majority of the games on Wii are crap, sadly.

YearoftheSnake5

Yeh go ahead and deny it. There is no Mario Galaxy, Resident Evil 4, Okami, Bully, Smash Bros Brawl, Metroid Prime, Legend of Zelda, Twilight Princess... right?

It should tell you something that I have been asking the stores I go into like BB, CC, WM and GS for the past year if they have a Wii to sell and only two days ago, the GS ( Gamestop ) said yes for the first time which is why over the past year I had almost pulled the trigger on the 750.00 bundle from WM ( Wallmart ) online.

I held off but cmon, you know many purchased their Wii as a bundle, don't you ?

SecretPolice

No, there are no exact figures, but it can't be where all the 50 million software sales are coming from.

It should tell you something that I have been asking the stores I go into like BB, CC, WM and GS for the past year if they have a Wii to sell and only two days ago, the GS ( Gamestop ) said yes for the first time which is why over the past year I had almost pulled the trigger on the 750.00 bundle from WM ( Wallmart ) online.

I held off but cmon, you know many purchased their Wii as a bundle, don't you ?

SecretPolice

most ppl wouldn't even consider a 750 bundle.

as far as bundles go. it's pure speculation. you don't know how many games are part of bundles from the 50 million and you don't know how many are ones that ppl didn't want anyway. until you have any actually data to back it up it's pointless to speculate.

I just hate that I see so much potential in the Wii that goes to waste, and when I say that it is, I get pegged as a Wii-basher.

If more 3rd parties made huge money from good Wii games like Z&W or NMH, and stopped making money with crap like Carnival Games, I see so much more potential that the developers could tap and make great, compelling 3rd party games, so maybe I could get more great games on the Wii that aren't made by Nintendo.

Boom Blox is a great example. Another could be a real, deep game like Wii Sports. I would gladly buy a bowling game that actually had time and production values put into it, or a great golf game with depth and love used.

And there are so many other uses and creative ideas that could be put into use on the Wii, but no one is willing to try if the potential of huge rewards aren't there. More sales for good titles is a great thing for all Wii owners, hitting sales goals or not.

SpruceCaboose

It's true that those games didn't sell as well as they could've , but they were still a sucess, specially when you consider the development costs in comparison to other games of the generation.

The big problem that I see happening on the Wii when it concerns some 3rd party sales, is in the advertising. I would pretty much expect the same sales if not fewer on a console like the 360. The difference? Is that unlike the Wii situation most of the 360 top 3rd party games and system sellers have been advertised to a satisfying level. Hell, I can hardly find a game on 360 or PS3 for that matter that exceeded the million mark and was poorly advertised.

This is were the Wii is ultimately failing and where its competition is doing it right. Take an example like Red Steel, would the game have sold as much as it did were it not for the coverage (false coverage for that matter) it received? In the end games like NMH or Zack and Wiki like you pointed out achieved their expectations, but they could have done so much more had more of their exposure been called upon.

Apples and oranges. You don't have to wait for a 360 or PS3 if a bundle is offered. You can simply select one of the stand alone systems and make your purchase. I bought my Wii in a 7 game bundle and wanted NONE of the games.

ramey70

So your reasoning is "Since I couldn't wait for a stand alone console, we shouldn't count the games that comes in the bundle as part of the software total"? If retailers saw that their bundles don't sell, then they will stop bundling consoles with games. You really think that if MS and Sony were in Nintendo's position that they would not count the games that were bundled by retailers into their software totals? If you do, I have a spacecraft I want to sell you once I get it out of Area 51.

To both the above posts.

Nor do you know the exact number but We All Know some did purchase bundles.

Edit: two slipped in so I should say Ontain & Eponique.

Also, trust me I'm not trying to be difficult, please do the same - none know how many were bundles but we do know bundles were sold.

[QUOTE="Haziqonfire"]Ah haters owned.

Yet they'll find some other excuse, probably like saying most of those selling games are 'shovelware' or 'crap'

:lol: I love this ownage.ogvampire

lol. check the first page of posts on this thread.

Why has every game that doesn't match your personal taste suddenly become shovelware?

Mario Party 8- Sold well, just as all other versions have sold well. Why? It's still the best "partygame" in the genre. Also for MP8, more people were much more interested to see what minigames it would have, and how playing them with the Wiimote would be.

Carnival Games- I've never played this, but could it possibly be that it does a good job recreating the games with the Wiimote? This is the only non-Nintendo minigame outside of RRR that's really taken off. There are tons of others including Big Brain Academy and Cooking Mama, that haven't done nearly as well. So maybe, just maybe, it's not shovelware, but a really well done game that lets you do something unique.

Wii Play- Yes, it comes with a remote, and yes 1 year ago this was the easiest way to get one, but that's no longer the case. I don't know a lot of people willing to spend $50 when they could just as easily spend $40, so maybe people see value in those games that come with Wii Play. I know I've had a lot of fun with the shooting game, ping pong, and pool. certainly enough to say the game was worth getting.

Again, no one has proven that shovelware sells on the Wii, just that there are games that they personally don't think should be selling as well as they do. All critically well received and hyped games from 3rd parties have done well (Z&W, RE:UC, NMH) It would be nice if they pulled GTA4 numbers, but by all accounts the people that matter are happy with the success they've had.

To both the above posts.

Nor do you know the exact number but We All Know some did purchase bundles.

Edit: two slipped in so I should say Ontain & Eponique.

Also, trust me I'm not trying to be difficult, please do the same - none know how many were bundles but we do know bundles were sold.

SecretPolice

in practical terms to developers....it doesn't really matter either. I don't see it as very important because of that.

To both the above posts.

Nor do you know the exact number but We All Know some did purchase bundles.

Edit: two slipped in so I should say Ontain & Eponique.

Also, trust me I'm not trying to be difficult, please do the same - none know how many were bundles but we do know bundles were sold.

SecretPolice

[QUOTE="SecretPolice"]

To both the above posts.

Nor do you know the exact number but We All Know some did purchase bundles.

Edit: two slipped in so I should say Ontain & Eponique.

Also, trust me I'm not trying to be difficult, please do the same - none know how many were bundles but we do know bundles were sold.

Ontain

in practical terms to developers....it doesn't really matter either. I don't see it as very important because of that.

The games are sold and the devs benefit which is all good with me.

Um....good for the developers, I suppose. But the majority of the games on Wii are crap, sadly.

YearoftheSnake5

like on all other consoles ?

ps2 flopped because of that...... oh wait :roll:

So much for Nintendo going 3rd party. :|