Wii Has Shovelware Articles - It Has Begun,..

[QUOTE="metroidfood"]

Wii has shovelware

No wai! The fastest selling and cheapest to develop for console has the most shovelware?

Good games don't matter because there are too many crap games.

... What? :?

bc1391

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you know the TC is going to ignore this.. oh well. I don't see anyone forcing me to buy shovelware. I must be magic

Sonic Olympics isn't a shovelware title, real shovelware doesn't sell well at all. The only shovelware title that sells well on the Wii would probably be Carnival games, and that isn't really shovelware as well.lolfiretruck

It's a fairly mediocre, generic title aimed at a mass market with little emphasis on quality and more emphasis on advertising and dumbed-down distraction. It serves as a fine example.

It is a fact that third party games sell very poorly on the Wii, and that the only games to perform well so far have been Nintendo titles, and shovelware from EA and Ubi Soft. That is not an opinion, that is fact.

[QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"][QUOTE="TAKE_IT_BACK"]

The wii is a quality system because as long as there are good games (and there clearly are, even if they're a lot of Nintendo titles), shovelware will not drown the system.

TAKE_IT_BACK

But shovelware clearly is drowning the system as we've just read; it makes up 70% of the library. Rather than a bunch of AAA games with a few stinkers, it's a library of stinkers with a few AAAs. Dont you see the problem with that?

How many games do you buy a year? for me, probably about 10-12 a year for my wii. Now don't start saying thats tiny, because thats about 1 a month. There are more than 12 good games per year that come out, so thats enough.

Name the 12 Wii games you bought last year. I've owned it a year, and i have SSBB, SMG, Mario Kart, No More Heroes and Paper Mario. Those are just FIVE games i've managed to find which i actually thought might be worth my money, in over a year. And even then, Mario Kart, Paper Mario and No More Heroes were all very much "just ok" games, with the exception of mario kart, which is mediocre verging on poor.

[QUOTE="TAKE_IT_BACK"][QUOTE="Demetri_OS"]

[QUOTE="TAKE_IT_BACK"]TC, you didn't really think this through, did you? Are Wii owners forced to go to GameStop and ask, "One copy of the latest crap please"Demetri_OS

Nope - but, don't tell me the Wii is a quality system, because it clearly isn't.

The wii is a quality system because as long as there are good games (and there clearly are, even if they're a lot of Nintendo titles), shovelware will not drown the system.

70% > 1/2 - thats a lot.

Don't down play it.

First of all, this is GameInformer's opinion. And second of all, all you said was 70% is more than 50%. Where did the fifty percent come from? Your hat?

Name the 12 Wii games you bought last year. I've owned it a year, and i have SSBB, SMG, Mario Kart, No More Heroes and Paper Mario. Those are just FIVE games i've managed to find which i actually thought might be worth my money, in over a year. And even then, Mario Kart, Paper Mario and No More Heroes were all very much "just ok" games, with the exception of mario kart, which is mediocre verging on poor.

Ninja-Hippo

I have like 15-20 freakin Wii games. Why should I f'n care about the amount of bad games? Even if it was 50%, would I be able to buy all thoses good games anyway? No. It doesn't matter if the amount of bad games is high if the amount of good games sastify me. Its library is already great with thoses great exclusives available on it so the bad games I could care less. Do PS3/360 owners care about their bad games? No Why should Wii owners than? Only because it has more???? Does that even make sense?

And showelware does not equal bad games. People are that ignorant? Stop spewing that word around. Jesus.

[QUOTE="travt-down"][QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"][QUOTE="-GhostMLD-"]

PS2 had a ton of shovelware.

Point is, who cares? Wii is still selling amazingly well.

Ninja-Hippo

Not 70% though. :?

I am sure its awfully close. The PS2 was geting SO MUCH crap in the last few years that a LOT of games never got reviewed by any major site. Games like this...

http://www.phoenixgamesgroup.com/uk/ps2a.html

...and that is one publisher. Notice how they are now infecting the Wii? Blame the PS2 and crappy devs, not the Wii.

Who's blaming the wii? It's simply a fact that a lot of the games on it - the majority in fact - aren't worth buying. And that's a bad thing, and an awful shame. Simple.

Then who is to blame? No one really. It's just something we have to accept, just like PS2 owners did. No point in bithcing about it or pointing out the obvious. I own a Wii and have zero shovelware, thats all that matters to me. And I have 21 games.

[QUOTE="bc1391"][QUOTE="metroidfood"]

Wii has shovelware

No wai! The fastest selling and cheapest to develop for console has the most shovelware?

Good games don't matter because there are too many crap games.

... What? :?

TalesofRaGnArOk

this

you know the TC is going to ignore this.. oh well. I don't see anyone forcing me to buy shovelware. I must be magic

The reason why just about none of us here buy shovelware is because we know it's shovelware, but the shovelware argument is based on those that don't know a thing about video games, something that I think even anti-Wii fans have forgotten or never found out, hence why no one has mentioned it until now.

That said, the last time I went to EB Games, all the good Wii games were kept at the front. ;)

[QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"]

Name the 12 Wii games you bought last year. I've owned it a year, and i have SSBB, SMG, Mario Kart, No More Heroes and Paper Mario. Those are just FIVE games i've managed to find which i actually thought might be worth my money, in over a year. And even then, Mario Kart, Paper Mario and No More Heroes were all very much "just ok" games, with the exception of mario kart, which is mediocre verging on poor.

Haziqonfire

Again, name the 20 games. Because i have a Wii, so the whole "what's your point" is wasted on me. Like i said, i have five games on my Wii which is simply a result of me going to a store, staring at the shelf, and literally having money in my hand which i cant spend because there's nothing there worth spending it on.

I frequently find myself holding up boxes of mediocre titles and considering buying it just so i have something to play on the thing.

[QUOTE="TAKE_IT_BACK"][QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"][QUOTE="TAKE_IT_BACK"]

The wii is a quality system because as long as there are good games (and there clearly are, even if they're a lot of Nintendo titles), shovelware will not drown the system.

Ninja-Hippo

But shovelware clearly is drowning the system as we've just read; it makes up 70% of the library. Rather than a bunch of AAA games with a few stinkers, it's a library of stinkers with a few AAAs. Dont you see the problem with that?

How many games do you buy a year? for me, probably about 10-12 a year for my wii. Now don't start saying thats tiny, because thats about 1 a month. There are more than 12 good games per year that come out, so thats enough.

Name the 12 Wii games you bought last year. I've owned it a year, and i have SSBB, SMG, Mario Kart, No More Heroes and Paper Mario. Those are just FIVE games i've managed to find which i actually thought might be worth my money, in over a year. And even then, Mario Kart, Paper Mario and No More Heroes were all very much "just ok" games, with the exception of mario kart, which is mediocre verging on poor.

SMG

MP3

SPM

Fire Emblem

TP

Batallion wars 2

Mario Strikers Charged

Lego star Wars

DBZ: T2

GHIII

Zack and Wiki

These games are good in my opinion.

it is bad. yes u dont need to buy them..perfectly valid argument. but it does nothing to help the wiis public image.

the PS2 had a similar problem after being on the market for a couple of years...absolutely inundated with trash. so much so that sony had to step in and cancel a crap load of projects that were doomed to be rubbish.

at some stage ninty will have to step in and start reviewing the titles coming to the system. the devs wont like it but tough. trash can be somewhat understud at the start of a consoles life since devs are only learning the ropes (and some try and do the quick and dirty port)....but there comes a point when theres no more excuses.

theres no beating around the bush here. bar a few exceptions like capcom, 3rd party support has been absolutely rubbish for the wii in terms fo quality. there either porting PS2 games.....using N64 tech (looking at u pop cap games) or making a PS2,PSP and WII multiplat and it does not work....ever. EA have a good controlsystem for FPSs on wii now and yet they have still completly failed to deliver a great FPS. thats nuts and bolts stuff...game development 101. if they cant get that right then they have no business being here.

this is not the wiis fault (just like it wasnt the PS2s fault at the time). ninty have demonstrated how its done. FPS..MP3. adventure...zelda. platformer....mario galaxy. 2d adventure....paper mario. minigames...warioware. various sports....wii sports (no one has nailed golf on wii...GOLF....wii was born for golf). its all there. nevermind the innovating....3rd parties cant even get the basics right at the mo.

ive said it before and ill say it again....the state of the wiis 3rd party selection says alot more about state of the industry than it does about the wii.

but anywho....ninty are going to have to step in and start putting their foot down. demand tighter controls...more consistent framerates...better content and so on.

Then who is to blame? No one really. It's just something we have to accept, just like PS2 owners did. No point in bithcing about it or pointing out the obvious. I own a Wii and have zero shovelware, thats all that matters to me. And I have 21 games.

travt-down

Why are you trying to turn this into a blame topic? Nobody is blaming anybody, it's simply a bad situation which exists.

SMG

MP3

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Fire Emblem

TP

Batallion wars 2

Mario Strikers Charged

Lego star Wars

DBZ: T2

GHIII

Zack and Wiki

These games are good in my opinion.

TAKE_IT_BACK

Sure, but you realise you've just made the error of naming every game worth purchasing on the system, as i thought you would? And even then you really had to dig deep, including a launch title despite these supposedly being your last purchases, as well as including some pretty darn mediocre stuff like Fire Emblem, Lego Star Wars and DBZ.

[QUOTE="travt-down"]

Then who is to blame? No one really. It's just something we have to accept, just like PS2 owners did. No point in bithcing about it or pointing out the obvious. I own a Wii and have zero shovelware, thats all that matters to me. And I have 21 games.

Ninja-Hippo

Why are you trying to turn this into a blame topic? Nobody is blaming anybody, it's simply a bad situation which exists.

That absolutely no one has the power to change. Why even bring it up in the first place? The sun will rise in the morning but I feel no need to make a thread about it.

SMG, MP3, Brawl, Zelda, Excite Truck, WarioWare, Super Paper Mario, Trauma Center, Z&W, GH3, Williams Pinball, Okami, Mario Kart, RE4, RE:UC, Tiger Woods, No More Heros, Endless Ocean, medal of Honor, Boom Blox, WiiSportstravt-down

And you're honestly using that list as proof that the Wii has just as awesome a library as the likes of the 360? :? Pinball? Tiger Woods? Excite Truck? WarioWare?

Honestly, if we cut the crap we end up with what i said to begin with:

SMG, MP3, Brawl, Zelda. And if you haven't played it already sure, RE4. Those are really the only must have games on the system, and from there you really have to start looking around and trying your best to find something you want to drop your money on. There are more games for my PC, 360 and PS3 worth buying than i can afford.

Like i said earlier, i literally left HMV about two months ago with forty bucks i'd intended to spend on a new Wii game, but when i'm presented with Trauma Center and Excite Truck as games other wii owners are honestly recommending, i find myself putting that money to much better use on other systems.

That absolutely no one has the power to change. Why even bring it up in the first place? The sun will rise in the morning but I feel no need to make a thread about it.

travt-down

So we shouldn't discuss bad games. Nor poor 360 hardware quality. Nor lackluster PSN offerings. Nor the rising cost of PC gaming. Nor the disappointment of HD consoles.

You're honestly saying that every issue discussed here is talked about so that we can decide who is to blame? And anything which has nobody to blame is pointless to dicuss?

What? :?

[QUOTE="TAKE_IT_BACK"]

SMG

MP3

SPM

Fire Emblem

TP

Batallion wars 2

Mario Strikers Charged

Lego star Wars

DBZ: T2

GHIII

Zack and Wiki

These games are good in my opinion.

Ninja-Hippo

Sure, but you realise you've just made the error of naming every game worth purchasing on the system, as i thought you would? And even then you really had to dig deep, including a launch title despite these supposedly being your last purchases, as well as including some pretty darn mediocre stuff like Fire Emblem, Lego Star Wars and DBZ.

First of all, i got my wii in 2007. So i got TP in 2007. Second, did you notice i put in my opinion at the bottom? You may not like my choices, but i do, and thats whats important.

[QUOTE="travt-down"]

That absolutely no one has the power to change. Why even bring it up in the first place? The sun will rise in the morning but I feel no need to make a thread about it.

Ninja-Hippo

So we shouldn't discuss bad games. Nor poor 360 hardware quality. Nor lackluster PSN offerings. Nor the rising cost of PC gaming. Nor the disappointment of HD consoles.

You're honestly saying that every issue discussed here is talked about so that we can decide who is to blame? And anything which has nobody to blame is pointless to dicuss?

What? :?

yep.

/systemwars

[QUOTE="travt-down"]SMG, MP3, Brawl, Zelda, Excite Truck, WarioWare, Super Paper Mario, Trauma Center, Z&W, GH3, Williams Pinball, Okami, Mario Kart, RE4, RE:UC, Tiger Woods, No More Heros, Endless Ocean, medal of Honor, Boom Blox, WiiSportsNinja-Hippo

And you're honestly using that list as proof that the Wii has just as awesome a library as the likes of the 360? :? Pinball? Tiger Woods? Excite Truck? WarioWare?

Honestly, if we cut the crap we end up with what i said to begin with:

SMG, MP3, Brawl, Zelda. And if you haven't played it already sure, RE4. Those are really the only must have games on the system, and from there you really have to start looking around and trying your best to find something you want to drop your money on. There are more games for my PC, 360 and PS3 worth buying than i can afford.

Like i said earlier, i literally left HMV about two months ago with forty bucks i'd intended to spend on a new Wii game, but when i'm presented with Trauma Center and Excite Truck as games other wii owners are honestly recommending, i find myself putting that money to much better use on other systems.

Williams Pinball is solid AA at gamerankings. Wario is AAA here. I think you have proven that the Wii is not the system for YOU. It is the system for plenty of others. If you can off-handedly dismiss an AA game like Trauma Center you can add nothing to the conversation. Your opinion is more akin to blind discontent.

Shovel ware doesn't sell so what does it matter? Good games like Guitar Hero, Mario Galaxy, RE:4 and SSBB on the other hand sell a lot.

But I do have to admit I wish these third party devs would get thier heads out of their rears and give the Wii more major quality IPs instead of just spinoff junk.

[QUOTE="osan0"]

it is bad. yes u dont need to buy them..perfectly valid argument. but it does nothing to help the wiis public image.

the PS2 had a similar problem after being on the market for a couple of years...absolutely inundated with trash. so much so that sony had to step in and cancel a crap load of projects that were doomed to be rubbish.

at some stage ninty will have to step in and start reviewing the titles coming to the system. the devs wont like it but tough. trash can be somewhat understud at the start of a consoles life since devs are only learning the ropes (and some try and do the quick and dirty port)....but there comes a point when theres no more excuses.

theres no beating around the bush here. bar a few exceptions like capcom, 3rd party support has been absolutely rubbish for the wii in terms fo quality. there either porting PS2 games.....using N64 tech (looking at u pop cap games) or making a PS2,PSP and WII multiplat and it does not work....ever. EA have a good controlsystem for FPSs on wii now and yet they have still completly failed to deliver a great FPS. thats nuts and bolts stuff...game development 101. if they cant get that right then they have no business being here.

this is not the wiis fault (just like it wasnt the PS2s fault at the time). ninty have demonstrated how its done. FPS..MP3. adventure...zelda. platformer....mario galaxy. 2d adventure....paper mario. minigames...warioware. various sports....wii sports (no one has nailed golf on wii...GOLF....wii was born for golf). its all there. nevermind the innovating....3rd parties cant even get the basics right at the mo.

ive said it before and ill say it again....the state of the wiis 3rd party selection says alot more about state of the industry than it does about the wii.

but anywho....ninty are going to have to step in and start putting their foot down. demand tighter controls...more consistent framerates...better content and so on.

TAKE_IT_BACK

Actually since casuals don't know shovelware, they will go to the shelf, see Carnival games and say, "Awesome". these retard games sometimes sell to dumb consumers, so it shows that the Wii has a good public image among everyone except gamers. Titles like GTA actually hurt consoles images because of worrying mothers.

there buying it....but are they enjoying it? they could have brought it home and played it....and were disgusted. i havent played the game myself so i cant comment on its quality...but if consumers buy these games and then come home dissapointed a few times then they may stop buying more wii games....concluding that theres just more crap on there like it. not good.

it would be interesting if we could get surveys of ppl who have bought what would be considered a dire game and enjoyed it.

First of all, i got my wii in 2007. So i got TP in 2007. Second, did you notice i put in my opinion at the bottom? You may not like my choices, but i do, and thats whats important.

TAKE_IT_BACK

False. When arguing about quality games, you cant just list 60% mediocre fests and say "yes but i think it's good". I could list 50cent Bulletproof as a PS2 AAA classic, but that doesn't make it so.

When arguing that a system has plenty of awesome games, the general idea is to give numerous examples of games rated AAA across the board, met with much acclaim from critics and gamers alike. Listing launch games and 6 out of 10 titles which you think are actually pretty good simply proves that fact that you found it very difficult to list just a small number of games worth buying.

[QUOTE="TAKE_IT_BACK"][QUOTE="osan0"]

it is bad. yes u dont need to buy them..perfectly valid argument. but it does nothing to help the wiis public image.

the PS2 had a similar problem after being on the market for a couple of years...absolutely inundated with trash. so much so that sony had to step in and cancel a crap load of projects that were doomed to be rubbish.

at some stage ninty will have to step in and start reviewing the titles coming to the system. the devs wont like it but tough. trash can be somewhat understud at the start of a consoles life since devs are only learning the ropes (and some try and do the quick and dirty port)....but there comes a point when theres no more excuses.

theres no beating around the bush here. bar a few exceptions like capcom, 3rd party support has been absolutely rubbish for the wii in terms fo quality. there either porting PS2 games.....using N64 tech (looking at u pop cap games) or making a PS2,PSP and WII multiplat and it does not work....ever. EA have a good controlsystem for FPSs on wii now and yet they have still completly failed to deliver a great FPS. thats nuts and bolts stuff...game development 101. if they cant get that right then they have no business being here.

this is not the wiis fault (just like it wasnt the PS2s fault at the time). ninty have demonstrated how its done. FPS..MP3. adventure...zelda. platformer....mario galaxy. 2d adventure....paper mario. minigames...warioware. various sports....wii sports (no one has nailed golf on wii...GOLF....wii was born for golf). its all there. nevermind the innovating....3rd parties cant even get the basics right at the mo.

ive said it before and ill say it again....the state of the wiis 3rd party selection says alot more about state of the industry than it does about the wii.

but anywho....ninty are going to have to step in and start putting their foot down. demand tighter controls...more consistent framerates...better content and so on.

osan0

Actually since casuals don't know shovelware, they will go to the shelf, see Carnival games and say, "Awesome". these retard games sometimes sell to dumb consumers, so it shows that the Wii has a good public image among everyone except gamers. Titles like GTA actually hurt consoles images because of worrying mothers.

there buying it....but are they enjoying it? they could have brought it home and played it....and were disgusted. i havent played the game myself so i cant comment on its quality...but if consumers buy these games and then come home dissapointed a few times then they may stop buying more wii games....concluding that theres just more crap on there like it. not good.

it would be interesting if we could get surveys of ppl who have bought what would be considered a dire game and enjoyed it.

Well these kind of people don't now awesome from abysmal as long as its not gory, which is why so many parents and idiots hate the 360 and PS3.

[QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"][QUOTE="TAKE_IT_BACK"][QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"][QUOTE="TAKE_IT_BACK"]

The wii is a quality system because as long as there are good games (and there clearly are, even if they're a lot of Nintendo titles), shovelware will not drown the system.

TAKE_IT_BACK

But shovelware clearly is drowning the system as we've just read; it makes up 70% of the library. Rather than a bunch of AAA games with a few stinkers, it's a library of stinkers with a few AAAs. Dont you see the problem with that?

How many games do you buy a year? for me, probably about 10-12 a year for my wii. Now don't start saying thats tiny, because thats about 1 a month. There are more than 12 good games per year that come out, so thats enough.

Name the 12 Wii games you bought last year. I've owned it a year, and i have SSBB, SMG, Mario Kart, No More Heroes and Paper Mario. Those are just FIVE games i've managed to find which i actually thought might be worth my money, in over a year. And even then, Mario Kart, Paper Mario and No More Heroes were all very much "just ok" games, with the exception of mario kart, which is mediocre verging on poor.

SMG

MP3

SPM

Fire Emblem

TP

Batallion wars 2

Mario Strikers Charged

Lego star Wars

DBZ: T2

GHIII

Zack and Wiki

These games are good in my opinion.

Damn I can't imagine only owning a wii if those are the best games, and missing out on this much superior line up

Mass effect

bioshock

dead rising

lost odyssey

kameo

oblivion

halo 3

gta4

gears of war

call of duty 2

The orange box

Forza 2

Burnout revenge

Project gotham 4

Condemned

The darkness

Eternal sonata

Ace combat 6

Viva pinata

Lost planet

Fight night round 3

Saints row

Pro evo 6

Perfect dark zero

call of duty 4

Graw

Devil may cry 4

Assassin's Creed

Rainbow six vegas

Virtua fighter 5

dead or alive 4

Rock band

splinter cell double agent

crackdown

[QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"][QUOTE="WAIW"]

No, but does it hurt to be able to buy crappy games? That's what I was getting at ._.

ogvampire

No, you were trying to twist a plethora of awful games into a good thing, as "variety and options".

Does anyone force you to buy these games? Obviously not. But the whole point here is that that titles make up the majority of the Wii's library, which is a very bad thing for any gamer.

im pretty sure he was just saying that its better to have options than not. a shovelware game is NOT gonna take away a AA-AAA game from the Wii.

Exactly... I wasn't making it a positive thing, but rather a neutral factor that really shouldn't interfere with the gaming life of anyone complaining.

[QUOTE="lolfiretruck"]Sonic Olympics isn't a shovelware title, real shovelware doesn't sell well at all. The only shovelware title that sells well on the Wii would probably be Carnival games, and that isn't really shovelware as well.Ninja-Hippo

It's a fairly mediocre, generic title aimed at a mass market with little emphasis on quality and more emphasis on advertising and dumbed-down distraction. It serves as a fine example.

It is a fact that third party games sell very poorly on the Wii, and that the only games to perform well so far have been Nintendo titles, and shovelware from EA and Ubi Soft. That is not an opinion, that is fact.

[QUOTE="TAKE_IT_BACK"]

First of all, i got my wii in 2007. So i got TP in 2007. Second, did you notice i put in my opinion at the bottom? You may not like my choices, but i do, and thats whats important.

Ninja-Hippo

False. When arguing about quality games, you cant just list 60% mediocre fests and say "yes but i think it's good". I could list 50cent Bulletproof as a PS2 AAA ****c, but that doesn't make it so.

When arguing that a system has plenty of awesome games, the general idea is to give numerous examples of games rated AAA across the board, met with much acclaim from critics and gamers alike. Listing launch games and 6 out of 10 titles which you think are actually pretty good simply proves that fact that you found it very difficult to list just a small number of games worth buying.

If you thought (e.g.) Bulletproof was that good, that makes it good in your eyes. It doesn't matter what critics said, as long as the game is good in your eyes.

its all cause nintendo has like no quality control anymore, you wanna put a game on wii it doesnt matter how bad it is if you can get it developed they just let you do it, i mean, nintendo come on. the stuff you let on this system should not exsist, i understand everyconsole has its bad games like the ds, has sholveware alot of it too, but atleast the ds has enough good exclusive games and other stuff that the wii is just flat out lacking,VendettaRed07

nintendo doesnt give a crap about quality if the wii is selling. if the wii slows down then they might start to crack down but dont expect quality control anytime soon

Williams Pinball is solid AA at gamerankings. Wario is AAA here. I think you have proven that the Wii is not the system for YOU. It is the system for plenty of others. If you can off-handedly dismiss an AA game like Trauma Center you can add nothing to the conversation. Your opinion is more akin to blind discontent.

travt-down

I dont care what WarioWare got here, that game is horrible. My sister bought it and even she just gave it away to me to trade in so i could get SMG a little cheaper. Which is an amazing game.

Put it this way: if someone was trying to argue that the 360 had a bunch of great games, and you asked for proof, would you accept Kayne and Lynch? Army of Two? Heck no. Sure it got 60-70% which is decent enough, but you dont want to spend money on that.

So why on earth is it ok to list the likes of WarioWare and Fire Emblem? Both aren't worth the asking price. Look at the 360: Halo 3, BioShock, Forza, Gears of War, Project Gotham, Kameo, Rainbow Six, GRAW, GTAIV, Mass Effect, Condemned, Orange Box, Oblivion.

Those are all amazing, brilliant, must-have games which i happily dropped my cash on. The Wii just doesn't have that quality. The only games on the Wii which are anywhere near that same quality are SMG, MP3, SSBB and Twilight Princess. There are other games which are good, obviously, but nowhere near AS good, and certainly nowhere near "run to the store day one to buy it". More like "well i guess i'll have to buy this one..."

[QUOTE="Demetri_OS"]Ah - so, now, the Nintendo Fans are saying; "So?"Well, on the "The Wii is WINNING THE WAR!! It sold 1 million last month!" point - I say: SO?The Sales Point is no longer valid. Since you feel the GLUT of bad games do not make a system bad, then the sales success clearly does not make it a great or better system. You are not acknowledging the shovelware, therefore, we won't acknowledge the sales.Thanks!:)ogvampire

what are you talking about? please point out who said that on this thread :roll:

people are bringing up the point of sales to prove that shovelware DOES NOT sell. see how that works?

showelware obviously sells enough to keep being made. it doesnt need to sell a million because it has such a low budget. selling 100000 is probly enough to make a large profit from shovekware.

[QUOTE="TAKE_IT_BACK"]

SMG

MP3

SPM

Fire Emblem

TP

Batallion wars 2

Mario Strikers Charged

Lego star Wars

DBZ: T2

GHIII

Zack and Wiki

These games are good in my opinion.

Norule04

Damn I can't imagine only owning a wii if those are the best games, and missing out on this much superior line up

Mass effect

bioshock

dead rising

lost odyssey

kameo

oblivion

halo 3

gta4

gears of war

call of duty 2

The orange box

Forza 2

Burnout revenge

Project gotham 4

Condemned

The darkness

Eternal sonata

Ace combat 6

Viva pinata

Lost planet

Fight night round 3

Saints row

Pro evo 6

Perfect dark zero

call of duty 4

Graw

Devil may cry 4

Assassin's Creed

Rainbow six vegas

Virtua fighter 5

dead or alive 4

Rock band

splinter cell double agent

crackdown

2 years vs 1:? and rock band, pro evo and splinter cell are on wii

If you thought (e.g.) Bulletproof was that good, that makes it good in your eyes. It doesn't matter what critics said, as long as the game is good in your eyes.

TAKE_IT_BACK

That simply doesn't work on a forum based on debate and arguing. You cant just say "your point is invalid as i think that game is good". You need to have some decent logic and reasoning to back up a point, otherwise you simply get "opinion wars" whereby anything goes "because that's my opinion".

You don't what fact means. I will tell the real facts about the sales. RE4, REUC, GH3, Sonic Secret Rings, Lego star wars all sold a million. Trauma center sold 500K, Pro Evo, Monkey ball sold 400K. NMH and Z&W sold 300K. All 3rd party games, all good games and all good sales. Your BS above isn't fact. And name me the showelware from EA and Ubi that sold good. Plus because there's barely no game that you like mean that the library sucks as a fact I suppose. Keep ignoring good games like Z&W, TC and Pro Evo if you want.m_machine024

It is a fact that 3rd party games generally do not sell well on the wii. You naming five that did hardly disproved that point. It's a FACT that the big sellers on the wii are Nintendo games, and generally poor EA and ubi soft games.

And stop being so hostile; i own a Wii. Dont get all defensive. It's simple criticism of an issue that needs addressing; namely that 3rd party games do not do so well on the Wii, generally.

[QUOTE="ogvampire"]

im pretty sure he was just saying that its better to have options than not. a shovelware game is NOT gonna take away a AA-AAA game from the Wii.

Ninja-Hippo

Trying to twist large numbers of shovelware titles into a positive thing is simply the definition of fanboyism. It isn't a good thing. It never will be. Why not just accept that it's an issue? :?

im pretty sure the way youre twisting everybodies words to fuel your 'cause' is another definition of fanboyism.

also, its not an issue because it doesnt affect me. in fact, if you look at the best sellers, shovelware isnt anywhere near that list. hm.... how can that be?

The Wii is full of garbage but people should research there purchases and not grab the overpriced garbage.wooooode

Bingo! Shovelware, while annoying, really impacts no one. As an informed consumer, you know the good games that are available, and you skip over the shovelware titles. If they don't effect you, or any other video game-savvy person (like someone you'd find on System Wars), then why bother bringing it up? The answer: you just want to find something to fault the Wii with. I don't think the system's perfect, but shovelware is the wrong way to go when attacking it. After all, on System Wars, don't we use AAAE games as a way of determining the winner. I've never heard anyone seriously mention exclusive F-quality games as a solid reason why a system isn't worthy of its success. Furthermore, if you look at the list of million sellars on the Wii, the only game that anyone could even try to categorize as shovelware is Carnival Games, which isn't true shovelware as it's an averagely reviewed title (not terribly reviewd) and is from a solid developer (T2).

[QUOTE="m_machine024"]You don't what fact means. I will tell the real facts about the sales. RE4, REUC, GH3, Sonic Secret Rings, Lego star wars all sold a million. Trauma center sold 500K, Pro Evo, Monkey ball sold 400K. NMH and Z&W sold 300K. All 3rd party games, all good games and all good sales. Your BS above isn't fact. And name me the showelware from EA and Ubi that sold good. Plus because there's barely no game that you like mean that the library sucks as a fact I suppose. Keep ignoring good games like Z&W, TC and Pro Evo if you want.Ninja-Hippo

It is a fact that 3rd party games generally do not sell well on the wii. You naming five that did hardly disproved that point. It's a FACT that the big sellers on the wii are Nintendo games, and generally poor EA and ubi soft games.

And stop being so hostile; i own a Wii. Dont get all defensive. It's simple criticism of an issue that needs addressing; namely that 3rd party games do not do so well on the Wii, generally.

by listing 3rd party games that do sell on the Wii, that pretty much kills the myth that games like that dont sell. but yet im not surprised that that number is not enough for you. which is fine. i dont see what the problem is, if anybody should be mad its the sheep, yet it doesnt bother them because they dont buy those crappy games. stop trying to make something out of nothing

And somehow, shovelware games effect the quality of the good games? Because somehow, because shovelware exists, I can't enjoy Brawl, SMG, and NMH anymore? :|

Just give up, we know you hate the Wii and Nintendo with a burning passion despite the lack of a decent argument.

[QUOTE="ogvampire"]

[QUOTE="Demetri_OS"]Ah - so, now, the Nintendo Fans are saying; "So?"Well, on the "The Wii is WINNING THE WAR!! It sold 1 million last month!" point - I say: SO?The Sales Point is no longer valid. Since you feel the GLUT of bad games do not make a system bad, then the sales success clearly does not make it a great or better system. You are not acknowledging the shovelware, therefore, we won't acknowledge the sales.Thanks!:)Lemmywinks_360

what are you talking about? please point out who said that on this thread :roll:

people are bringing up the point of sales to prove that shovelware DOES NOT sell. see how that works?

showelware obviously sells enough to keep being made. it doesnt need to sell a million because it has such a low budget. selling 100000 is probly enough to make a large profit from shovekware.

the thing is that they dont even sell close to that amount

[QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"][QUOTE="ogvampire"]

im pretty sure he was just saying that its better to have options than not. a shovelware game is NOT gonna take away a AA-AAA game from the Wii.

ogvampire

Trying to twist large numbers of shovelware titles into a positive thing is simply the definition of fanboyism. It isn't a good thing. It never will be. Why not just accept that it's an issue? :?

im pretty sure the way youre twisting everybodies words to fuel your 'cause' is another definition of fanboyism.

also, its not an issue because it doesnt affect me. in fact, if you look at the best sellers, shovelware isnt anywhere near that list. hm.... how can that be?

What cause? Again, i own a wii. I'm simply criticising it. Just like i do my other consoles. You're the one defending a machine with obvious problems and refusing to accept simple criticism of a console so please dont play the fanboy card on me. Thanks.

Also, whos words did i twist? He tried to make out that loads of bad games = "options" which is a good thing. That's just not right. Nobody looks at a shelf full of bad games and says "i'm glad i have the option of buying or not buying those." They just think "boy, what a load of bad games".

And again, i dont know how many times this point needs to be made; but why do you keep saying that we dont have to buy shovelware and that they dont sell very well? Of course they dont because it's shovelware. By definition it's crap. The issue here is that those crap games are making up 70% of the library, amongst other games which - while admittedly not shovelware - sure as hell aren't good. Like Sonic at the Olympics, which sells very well and detracts from games people probably SHOULD be buying.

[QUOTE="ogvampire"][QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"][QUOTE="ogvampire"]

im pretty sure he was just saying that its better to have options than not. a shovelware game is NOT gonna take away a AA-AAA game from the Wii.

Ninja-Hippo

Trying to twist large numbers of shovelware titles into a positive thing is simply the definition of fanboyism. It isn't a good thing. It never will be. Why not just accept that it's an issue? :?

im pretty sure the way youre twisting everybodies words to fuel your 'cause' is another definition of fanboyism.

also, its not an issue because it doesnt affect me. in fact, if you look at the best sellers, shovelware isnt anywhere near that list. hm.... how can that be?

What cause? Again, i own a wii. I'm simply criticising it. Just like i do my other consoles. You're the one defending a machine with obvious problems and refusing to accept simple criticism of a console so please dont play the fanboy card on me. Thanks.

Also, whos words did i twist? He tried to make out that loads of bad games = "options" which is a good thing. That's just not right. Nobody looks at a shelf full of bad games and says "i'm glad i have the option of buying or not buying those." They just think "boy, what a load of bad games".

And again, i dont know how many times this point needs to be made; but why do you keep saying that we dont have to buy shovelware and that they dont sell very well? Of course they dont because it's shovelware. By definition it's crap. The issue here is that those crap games are making up 70% of the library, amongst other games which - while admittedly not shovelware - sure as hell aren't good. Like Sonic at the Olympics, which sells very well and detracts from games people probably SHOULD be buying.

im sorry the Wii killed your whole family, and your dog. thats the only thing i can think of that the wii has done to you to garner so much hate. Nintendo will never be able to make it up, please move on with your life

[QUOTE="ogvampire"]

[QUOTE="Demetri_OS"]Ah - so, now, the Nintendo Fans are saying; "So?"Well, on the "The Wii is WINNING THE WAR!! It sold 1 million last month!" point - I say: SO?The Sales Point is no longer valid. Since you feel the GLUT of bad games do not make a system bad, then the sales success clearly does not make it a great or better system. You are not acknowledging the shovelware, therefore, we won't acknowledge the sales.Thanks!:)Lemmywinks_360

what are you talking about? please point out who said that on this thread :roll:

people are bringing up the point of sales to prove that shovelware DOES NOT sell. see how that works?

showelware obviously sells enough to keep being made. it doesnt need to sell a million because it has such a low budget. selling 100000 is probly enough to make a large profit from shovekware.

Allow me to introduce my friend logic. Shovelware isn't being put out only by one publisher who releases one game and uses the profits of that game to make new ones and then uses the profits of those to make new ones and etc. There are multiple people making shovelware out there and their games' creations are independant of how their competors' games do. If a DDI turd flops, does that mean another company won't make a game?

by listing 3rd party games that do sell on the Wii, that pretty much kills the myth that games like that dont sell. but yet im not surprised that that number is not enough for you. which is fine. i dont see what the problem is, if anybody should be mad its the sheep, yet it doesnt bother them because they dont buy those crappy games. stop trying to make something out of nothing

ogvampire

Dude, why defend any criticism made on the wii? I mean this really is a fact, not an opinion. 3rd parties haven't done very well on the wii at all. Of course there are some exceptions, but they prove the rule. In fact, "sword of nintendo" even says quite happily that Third Party games fail miserably on the Wii in the other thread, and says why he thinks that is. Yet here you are having a pop at me and saying it's a myth when it so obviously isn't.

im sorry the Wii killed your whole family, and your dog. thats the only thing i can think of that the wii has done to you to garner so much hate. Nintendo will never be able to make it up, please move on with your life

ogvampire

I'm sorry that you take such exception to any and all criticism of a machine you own, even when said criticism comes from a fellow owner. :roll:

[QUOTE="m_machine024"]You don't what fact means. I will tell the real facts about the sales. RE4, REUC, GH3, Sonic Secret Rings, Lego star wars all sold a million. Trauma center sold 500K, Pro Evo, Monkey ball sold 400K. NMH and Z&W sold 300K. All 3rd party games, all good games and all good sales. Your BS above isn't fact. And name me the showelware from EA and Ubi that sold good. Plus because there's barely no game that you like mean that the library sucks as a fact I suppose. Keep ignoring good games like Z&W, TC and Pro Evo if you want.Ninja-Hippo

It is a fact that 3rd party games generally do not sell well on the wii. You naming five that did hardly disproved that point. It's a FACT that the big sellers on the wii are Nintendo games, and generally poor EA and ubi soft games.

And stop being so hostile; i own a Wii. Dont get all defensive. It's simple criticism of an issue that needs addressing; namely that 3rd party games do not do so well on the Wii, generally.