Wii has the Worst Software Attach Rate PS3 Software=360 Software

New Wii Games Find a Big (but Stingy) Audience

A number of games that garnered critical acclaim in recent months, notably the cartoonish action-adventure game Zack & Wiki and the off-kilter action-adventure No More Heroes, have yielded disappointing sales.

Over the first three months of the year, only three other Wii titles broke the list of top 10 best-selling games compiled by the NPD Group, a market research firm: Super Mario Galaxy, Guitar Hero III and Wii Play, a sports game that comes with the purchase of a much-needed additional game controller. The Wii may not be behind the success of all those titles, though; Guitar Hero, for example, sold 2.2 million copies for the Wii, but 2.8 million copies for the Xbox 360 and almost 5 million for two versions of the PlayStation.

The average Wii owner buys only 3.7 games a year, compared with 4.7 for Xbox 360 owners and 4.6 for PlayStation 3 owners, said a Wedbush Morgan analyst, Michael Pachter. "It reflects the broadening of the demographic," he said. "Nintendo's market doesn't feel the same sense of urgency to buy every game that's coming out."

"You don't see a lot of titles that reach 30 to 40 percent of the installed base," said a Lazard Capital analyst, Colin Sebastian. "My in-laws in Texas have a Wii sitting on their living-room floor next to the TV, which to me is kind of amazing. They have Wii Sports, a Brain Age game, Wii Play. That's about it."

Kinda kills the "nobody buys games on the PS3" arguement.

isnt this the article that used VGchartz as its source :lol:

seriously, thats just too funny

Perhaps Lemmingtons will FINALLY stop saying "PS3 owners don't buy games!!!!!"

Ah, they probably won't.

isnt this the article that used VGchartz as its source :lol:

seriously, thats just too funny

ogvampire

they mention them in there.....but that is not their source. If you actually read the post you will see it quotes two industry professionals.

Michael Pachter.

Discredited the minute I saw that name. Seriously getting paid to guess/crystal ball must be fun and he must laugh to the bank on pay day.

This goes with his World of Warcraft will be dead in 6 months :lol:

what about these then

Michael Pachter.

Discredited the minute I saw that name. Seriously getting paid to guess/crystal ball must be fun and he must laugh to the bank on pay day.

This goes with his World of Warcraft will be dead in 6 months :lol:

jangojay

This is not a prediction he's making though :roll:

[QUOTE="ogvampire"]

isnt this the article that used VGchartz as its source :lol:

seriously, thats just too funny

MikeE21286

they mention them in there.....but that is not their source. If you actually read the post you will see it quotes two industry professionals.

what? they do mention it in there and state that thats their source :|

what about these then

reno7728

you....did....not....read...

isnt this the article that used VGchartz as its source :lol:

seriously, thats just too funny

ogvampire

Jeez read the whole article dude, those fanboy goggles must need a wipe.

[QUOTE="MikeE21286"][QUOTE="ogvampire"]

isnt this the article that used VGchartz as its source :lol:

seriously, thats just too funny

ogvampire

they mention them in there.....but that is not their source. If you actually read the post you will see it quotes two industry professionals.

what? they do mention it in there and state that thats their source :|

the numbers about Brawl that they quote are from VGChartz....but we're not even discussing those in this thread. The numbers from Michael Pacther do not come from VGChartz.

[QUOTE="jangojay"]

Michael Pachter.

Discredited the minute I saw that name. Seriously getting paid to guess/crystal ball must be fun and he must laugh to the bank on pay day.

This goes with his World of Warcraft will be dead in 6 months :lol:

MikeE21286

This is not a prediction he's making though :roll:

And? It doesn't change the fact that half the time he talks rubbish.. i rather hear it from someone more reliable.

The hardware sales of the Wii are so large it's inevitable that the tie ratio will be lowered. common sense.Popadophalis

the ratio should be lower....but not the number of games bought on average per year (i.e. attach rate) That should be higher.

[QUOTE="ogvampire"][QUOTE="MikeE21286"][QUOTE="ogvampire"]

isnt this the article that used VGchartz as its source :lol:

seriously, thats just too funny

MikeE21286

they mention them in there.....but that is not their source. If you actually read the post you will see it quotes two industry professionals.

what? they do mention it in there and state that thats their source :|

the numbers about Brawl that they quote are from VGChartz....but we're not even discussing those in this thread. The numbers from Michael Pacther do not come from VGChartz.

exactly. shouldnt that raise some concerns?

[QUOTE="MikeE21286"][QUOTE="jangojay"]

Michael Pachter.

Discredited the minute I saw that name. Seriously getting paid to guess/crystal ball must be fun and he must laugh to the bank on pay day.

This goes with his World of Warcraft will be dead in 6 months :lol:

jangojay

This is not a prediction he's making though :roll:

And? It doesn't change the fact that half the time he talks rubbish.. i rather hear it from someone more reliable.

ok, whatever, believe your own truth. I doubt he made up the sales figures......but keep on those goggles if you like....

This isn't software sales, this is attach rate.

For a sales-ager, I thought you'd know that

[QUOTE="MikeE21286"][QUOTE="jangojay"]

Michael Pachter.

Discredited the minute I saw that name. Seriously getting paid to guess/crystal ball must be fun and he must laugh to the bank on pay day.

This goes with his World of Warcraft will be dead in 6 months :lol:

jangojay

This is not a prediction he's making though :roll:

And? It doesn't change the fact that half the time he talks rubbish.. i rather hear it from someone more reliable.

LOL are you being serious?

[QUOTE="MikeE21286"][QUOTE="ogvampire"][QUOTE="MikeE21286"][QUOTE="ogvampire"]

isnt this the article that used VGchartz as its source :lol:

seriously, thats just too funny

ogvampire

they mention them in there.....but that is not their source. If you actually read the post you will see it quotes two industry professionals.

what? they do mention it in there and state that thats their source :|

the numbers about Brawl that they quote are from VGChartz....but we're not even discussing those in this thread. The numbers from Michael Pacther do not come from VGChartz.

exactly. shouldnt that raise some concerns?

why, were are not discussing those numbers :?

We are discucssing the numbers presented by Pachter (he is not in any way affiliated with VGChartz).

I remember clearly that the Wii outsold the 360 in terms of software not too long ago. Doesn't anybody else?

:?:?:?

This isn't software sales, this is attach rate.

For a sales-ager, I thought you'd know that

Eponique

I understand that it's not OVERALL software sales.....but attach rate widely watched as a determing factor in software sales.

what? they do mention it in there and state that thats their source :|

MikeE21286

the numbers about Brawl that they quote are from VGChartz....but we're not even discussing those in this thread. The numbers from Michael Pacther do not come from VGChartz.

exactly. shouldnt that raise some concerns?

why, were are not discussing those numbers :?

We are discucssing the numbers presented by Pachter (he is not in any way affiliated with VGChartz).

maybe pachter should look at these facts:

Number of 360 games that have sold over million: 26

Number of PS3 games that have sold over million: 4

Number of Wii games that have sold over a million: 21

I remember clearly that the Wii outsold the 360 in terms of software not too long ago. Doesn't anybody else?

:?:?:?

Hexagon_777

I think it was for the month of December.

[QUOTE="Eponique"]

This isn't software sales, this is attach rate.

For a sales-ager, I thought you'd know that

MikeE21286

I understand that it's not OVERALL software sales.....but attach rate widely watched as a determing factor in software sales.

and what was ps2's attach rate?

i can bet it wasnt higher than the 360 is know

Ratio wise, maybe.

But More Wii consoles, and over all sold more software I believe.

[QUOTE="Hexagon_777"]

I remember clearly that the Wii outsold the 360 in terms of software not too long ago. Doesn't anybody else?

:?:?:?

MikeE21286

I think it was for the month of December.

and march

[QUOTE="MikeE21286"]

what? they do mention it in there and state that thats their source :|

ogvampire

the numbers about Brawl that they quote are from VGChartz....but we're not even discussing those in this thread. The numbers from Michael Pacther do not come from VGChartz.

exactly. shouldnt that raise some concerns?

why, were are not discussing those numbers :?

We are discucssing the numbers presented by Pachter (he is not in any way affiliated with VGChartz).

maybe pachter should look at these facts:

Number of 360 games that have sold over million: 26

Number of PS3 games that have sold over million: 4

Number of Wii games that have sold over a million: 21

I'm sure pacther has numbers of overall sales of games. It's his job. I doubt he grabbed the statistics out of thin air.

[QUOTE="MikeE21286"][QUOTE="Hexagon_777"]

I remember clearly that the Wii outsold the 360 in terms of software not too long ago. Doesn't anybody else?

:?:?:?

ogvampire

I think it was for the month of December.

and march

ok, fair enough....2 months =/= a year.

[QUOTE="MikeE21286"][QUOTE="Eponique"]

This isn't software sales, this is attach rate.

For a sales-ager, I thought you'd know that

ogvampire

I understand that it's not OVERALL software sales.....but attach rate widely watched as a determing factor in software sales.

and what was ps2's attach rate?

i can bet it wasnt higher than the 360 is know

I don't know what it was....and neither do you. So we have gone nowhere.

[QUOTE="jangojay"][QUOTE="MikeE21286"][QUOTE="jangojay"]

Michael Pachter.

Discredited the minute I saw that name. Seriously getting paid to guess/crystal ball must be fun and he must laugh to the bank on pay day.

This goes with his World of Warcraft will be dead in 6 months :lol:

MikeE21286

This is not a prediction he's making though :roll:

And? It doesn't change the fact that half the time he talks rubbish.. i rather hear it from someone more reliable.

ok, whatever, believe your own truth. I doubt he made up the sales figures......but keep on those goggles if you like....

If you think I'm a nintendo fanboy you are wrong, I just automatically discredit everything this man says. I'm sure halo's sales percent dropped drasitically from the first 4 weeks, why single out brawl? Also

The average Wii owner buys only 3.7 games a year, compared with 4.7 for Xbox 360 owners and 4.6 for PlayStation 3 owners, said a Wedbush Morgan analyst, Michael Pachter.

Where is his for evidence to that? I guess I'm going to just run by his word for it eh?

[QUOTE="Eponique"]

This isn't software sales, this is attach rate.

For a sales-ager, I thought you'd know that

MikeE21286

I understand that it's not OVERALL software sales.....but attach rate widely watched as a determing factor in software sales.

With that logic, so are hardware sales. But you don't see me saying "Wii software > 360 software because the Wii sold more than the 360" now do you?

Regardless, the Wii sold the most software the last 4 months, so the thread title is a flat out lie.

[QUOTE="MikeE21286"][QUOTE="jangojay"][QUOTE="MikeE21286"][QUOTE="jangojay"]

Michael Pachter.

Discredited the minute I saw that name. Seriously getting paid to guess/crystal ball must be fun and he must laugh to the bank on pay day.

This goes with his World of Warcraft will be dead in 6 months :lol:

jangojay

This is not a prediction he's making though :roll:

And? It doesn't change the fact that half the time he talks rubbish.. i rather hear it from someone more reliable.

ok, whatever, believe your own truth. I doubt he made up the sales figures......but keep on those goggles if you like....

If you think I'm a nintendo fanboy you are wrong, I just automatically discredit everything this man says. I'm sure halo's sales percent dropped drasitically from the first 4 weeks, why single out brawl? Also

The average Wii owner buys only 3.7 games a year, compared with 4.7 for Xbox 360 owners and 4.6 for PlayStation 3 owners, said a Wedbush Morgan analyst, Michael Pachter.

Where is his claim or evidence to that? I guess I'm going to just run by his word for it eh?

That's what you do on experts in the field. That's why they're experts. Do you want him to send you a copy of his spreadhset of numbers?

[QUOTE="ogvampire"][QUOTE="MikeE21286"]

what? they do mention it in there and state that thats their source :|

MikeE21286

the numbers about Brawl that they quote are from VGChartz....but we're not even discussing those in this thread. The numbers from Michael Pacther do not come from VGChartz.

exactly. shouldnt that raise some concerns?

why, were are not discussing those numbers :?

We are discucssing the numbers presented by Pachter (he is not in any way affiliated with VGChartz).

maybe pachter should look at these facts:

Number of 360 games that have sold over million: 26

Number of PS3 games that have sold over million: 4

Number of Wii games that have sold over a million: 21

I'm sure pacther has numbers of overall sales of games. It's his job. I doubt he grabbed the statistics out of thin air.

im wondering if he's just looking at U.S. sales.

[QUOTE="ogvampire"][QUOTE="MikeE21286"][QUOTE="Eponique"]

This isn't software sales, this is attach rate.

For a sales-ager, I thought you'd know that

MikeE21286

I understand that it's not OVERALL software sales.....but attach rate widely watched as a determing factor in software sales.

and what was ps2's attach rate?

i can bet it wasnt higher than the 360 is know

I don't know what it was....and neither do you. So we have gone nowhere.

my point is that the ps2 had a crapload of hardware sales, but their software sales did not reflect this.

total userbase 120 million

game that sold the most copies: GT3 a spec - 14 million (less than 10%)

360 total userbase 18 million

game that sold the most copies: Halo 3 - 8 million (about 45%)

i dont think they look at attach rates as much as you would think.

That's what you do on experts in the field. That's why they're experts. Do you want him to send you a copy of his spreadhset of numbers?

MikeE21286

No but I would like him to use some facts and evidence when making his claims.

Pachter and analyst are not industry professional. They are industry retards. 90% of what comes out of there mouth is allready obviosly wrong or proven completly wrong a couple of months latter. Quoting them = instant fail. Get a more reliable source. Eg. a link to hard facts.

Pachter and analyst are not industry professional. They are industry retards. 90% of what comes out of there mouth is allready obviosly wrong or proven completly wrong a couple of months latter. Quoting them = instant fail. Get a more reliable source. Eg. a link to hard facts.

Marka1700

Oh hey someone who agrees with me!

[QUOTE="MikeE21286"][QUOTE="ogvampire"][QUOTE="MikeE21286"]

what? they do mention it in there and state that thats their source :|

ogvampire

the numbers about Brawl that they quote are from VGChartz....but we're not even discussing those in this thread. The numbers from Michael Pacther do not come from VGChartz.

exactly. shouldnt that raise some concerns?

why, were are not discussing those numbers :?

We are discucssing the numbers presented by Pachter (he is not in any way affiliated with VGChartz).

maybe pachter should look at these facts:

Number of 360 games that have sold over million: 26

Number of PS3 games that have sold over million: 4

Number of Wii games that have sold over a million: 21

I'm sure pacther has numbers of overall sales of games. It's his job. I doubt he grabbed the statistics out of thin air.

im wondering if he's just looking at U.S. sales.

That's the only data he has access to.

In Japan it's X360>Wii>PS3. No one knows about Europe.

[QUOTE="ogvampire"][QUOTE="MikeE21286"][QUOTE="ogvampire"][QUOTE="MikeE21286"]

what? they do mention it in there and state that thats their source :|

Eponique

the numbers about Brawl that they quote are from VGChartz....but we're not even discussing those in this thread. The numbers from Michael Pacther do not come from VGChartz.

exactly. shouldnt that raise some concerns?

why, were are not discussing those numbers :?

We are discucssing the numbers presented by Pachter (he is not in any way affiliated with VGChartz).

maybe pachter should look at these facts:

Number of 360 games that have sold over million: 26

Number of PS3 games that have sold over million: 4

Number of Wii games that have sold over a million: 21

I'm sure pacther has numbers of overall sales of games. It's his job. I doubt he grabbed the statistics out of thin air.

im wondering if he's just looking at U.S. sales.

That's the only data he has access to.

In Japan it's X360>Wii>PS3. No one knows about Europe.

i find that hard to believe though.

maybe pachter should look at these facts:

Number of 360 games that have sold over million: 26

Number of PS3 games that have sold over million: 4

Number of Wii games that have sold over a million: 21

Eponique

I'm sure pacther has numbers of overall sales of games. It's his job. I doubt he grabbed the statistics out of thin air.

im wondering if he's just looking at U.S. sales.

That's the only data he has access to.

In Japan it's X360>Wii>PS3. No one knows about Europe.

which would make sense. world-wide numbers tell a different story

how is the 360 above everything else in Japan?

ya wii has 21 or more games that sold over a million 360 only has 5 more then wii and ps3 we know is dead last ,

so why beleive this article,

,

If you think I'm a nintendo fanboy you are wrong, I just automatically discredit everything this man says. I'm sure halo's sales percent dropped drasitically from the first 4 weeks, why single out brawl? Also

The average Wii owner buys only 3.7 games a year, compared with 4.7 for Xbox 360 owners and 4.6 for PlayStation 3 owners, said a Wedbush Morgan analyst, Michael Pachter.

Where is his for evidence to that? I guess I'm going to just run by his word for it eh?

jangojay

It's okay to cite Pachter when it comes to stuff like this, if he is talking US. He has access to NPD data.