Wii M+ vs. MS Natal vs. Sony ball-on-a-stick

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#1 goblaa
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Sorry, I don't know what else to call sony's device...does it have a proper name?

Since we all have been discussing this, I figured it was high time for a poll. Which do you think will be better/more popular. It's really up to you how you measure success...is it by which is supported/sold most, which has the best software, or which has the most accurate tech.

Personally, I still think M+ will be out on top. It looks just as accurate and sony's ball-on-a-stick and will be out within a month WITH real playable software for only $20 ($10 with a pack-in) and will be the sole 1:1 motion controller on the market for a least a year (prolly longer).

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#2 -Traveller-
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Lol, ball-on-a-stick.

I think Wii M+ will be the most popular, solely due to the integrated motion controls for Wii.

Both MS and Sony's offerings probably won't sell hugely this gen, but will give them great experience for possibly implementing it into their next consoles.

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#3 Tylendal
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Motion+ While Natal might be better at some specific things, M+ is a lot more flexible. As for usage, Wii motion controls are a standard, while Natal is an addition, meaning that it won't see as much or as enthusiastic third party support. Finally, to top it all off, Natal and the Ball-on-a-stick have the perceived label of 'casual' all over them.
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#4 savetehhaloz
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Natal has most potential.
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#5 mexicangordo
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Wii Motion plus by far. Natal looks great and sounds great on paper but its to restricted and for technology like that, it will be expensive. Sony's motion control looks more promising for gaming as well but, like MS Natal, its to restricted with certain games. Sony said this themselves that its not meant to replace the controller. Wii motion plus, however, did replace the controller and is used in all Wii games, not just a selected few.

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#6 jliebel
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Montion controls are just a gimmick, i've yet to see a game that was a great game that couldn't be done as good or not better by a controller.

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#7 LordQuorthon
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Natal is the best in terms of technology. The real issue is that, at this point, that is completely irrelevant.

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#8 goblaa
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Ball-on-a-Stick makes me think of ball in a cup.

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#9 Lto_thaG
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Can we get back to comparing graphics?
I hate this already.

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#10 goblaa
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Can we get back to comparing graphics?
I hate this already.

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No, I'm so tired of comparing two amazing looking games and arguing over which has better grass physics. I JUST DON'T CARE!

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#11 Tylendal
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Montion controls are just a gimmick, i've yet to see a game that was a great game that couldn't be done as good or not better by a controller.

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Trauma Center springs to mind. There is also of course Wario-Ware Smooth Moves, and Metroid Prime 3: Corruption.
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#12 Tjeremiah1988
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Natal is way over hyped and that later will leave many disappointed. Overall I say Wii M because its here, can be used now, and has already proved itself to work.
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#13 Redonkulous_D
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Wii MP. It has 1:1 motion sensing AND buttons. It also has confirmed games that'll be using it.

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#14 AntiType
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Nobody is giving reasons....

There is something WRONG with having to be on screen. First of all... multiplayer. You can't do 4 people with MS and Sony's solution. DID you guys see the soccer thing on the Natal video? thank God the kicker was kind enough to shoot to her outside right, or else the goalie would have had to jump INTO the kicker.

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[QUOTE="jliebel"]

Montion controls are just a gimmick, i've yet to see a game that was a great game that couldn't be done as good or not better by a controller.

Tylendal

Trauma Center springs to mind. There is also of course Wario-Ware Smooth Moves, and Metroid Prime 3: Corruption.

Wario-Ware is a meh game at best, Trauma Center you can do with a controller and have just as much fun, and I'd rather have had a controller for Metroid Prime.

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#16 flazzle
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I was really impressed with the Sony version, though I don't know what limitations the camera may involve. However, I think it had the best accuracy of them all.

Natal, after watching the advertising demos, has noticable lag when you move at a slightly fast pace. Even the paint demo had a delay, which is NOT good. Maybe this will be fixed in the future.

Nintendo is the best at realizing ease of use and convenience (DS success as proof). Wii Remotes are here NOW, motion plus is days away, and the wii board built an incredible consumer base. The best games will be for N because of that.

I vote for M+

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#17 surrealnumber5
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Ball-on-a-Stick makes me think of ball in a cup.

goblaa
same here and WTF is the wii doing winning a poll on gamespot
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#18 savebattery
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Wii Motion Plus, simply because we know it will be supported. I have a sneaking suspicion that Microsoft and Sony's offerings will end up in a drawer somewhere like my E-Reader and Eyetoy. But Wii Motion plus is simply an evolution of what the Wii is already known for, where as the other two are completely different from what Sony and Microsoft are doing presently. There are already lots of games that we KNOW will support Motion Plus. Also, Natal and Ball-on-a-Stick add to the price of two consoles that are already far too expensive in my mind. Sony's tech didn't look any better than Motion Plus anyway, and we'll have to wait about a year to even get our hands on it. As for Natal, it looks pretty cool, but I'm going to have to see some major support before I'm sure it won't be another Eyetoy.
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#19 flazzle
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[QUOTE="Tylendal"][QUOTE="jliebel"]

Montion controls are just a gimmick, i've yet to see a game that was a great game that couldn't be done as good or not better by a controller.

jliebel

Trauma Center springs to mind. There is also of course Wario-Ware Smooth Moves, and Metroid Prime 3: Corruption.

Wario-Ware is a meh game at best, Trauma Center you can do with a controller and have just as much fun, and I'd rather have had a controller for Metroid Prime.

THere is no way you are playing Trauma Center with a regular controller and be as effective. Its one of the best Wii remote games out and is practically built for it. The accuracy is amazing. That game would be a chore with a regular controller.

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#20 iamshivy
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dil>M+>MS camera.
why, sony's stick was 1:1
nintendo did seem this smooth
Ms, your holding nothing/ thats not fun and you look really dumb doing this.(trust me i had the eye toy back in the day)and whats up with the creepy boy game...

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[QUOTE="Tylendal"][QUOTE="jliebel"]

Montion controls are just a gimmick, i've yet to see a game that was a great game that couldn't be done as good or not better by a controller.

jliebel

Trauma Center springs to mind. There is also of course Wario-Ware Smooth Moves, and Metroid Prime 3: Corruption.

Wario-Ware is a meh game at best, Trauma Center you can do with a controller and have just as much fun, and I'd rather have had a controller for Metroid Prime.

wrong there is no way you could do what is needed on the harder levels with out a pointer or mouse, and fun is an opinion but there is still no way it would be as much fun with a game pad

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[QUOTE="Tylendal"][QUOTE="jliebel"]

Montion controls are just a gimmick, i've yet to see a game that was a great game that couldn't be done as good or not better by a controller.

jliebel

Trauma Center springs to mind. There is also of course Wario-Ware Smooth Moves, and Metroid Prime 3: Corruption.

Wario-Ware is a meh game at best, Trauma Center you can do with a controller and have just as much fun, and I'd rather have had a controller for Metroid Prime.

wrong there is no way you could do what is needed on the harder levels with out a pointer or mouse, and fun is an opinion but there is still no way it would be as much fun with a game pad

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#23 Iamsmee
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Ball-on-a-Stick makes me think of ball in a cup.

goblaa

Actually that example is quite revelent to gaming... There was an episode of the Simpsons that was mocking Mortal Kombat, a really bloody and violent game came out and Bart's friend had it so Bart stole a version to get it... And then in the end the fad passes on and Milhouse moved onto a basic ball in a cup! After the hype is gone, all you have left is a bad fighting game.

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#24 Tylendal
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[QUOTE="jliebel"]

[QUOTE="Tylendal"] Trauma Center springs to mind. There is also of course Wario-Ware Smooth Moves, and Metroid Prime 3: Corruption.surrealnumber5

Wario-Ware is a meh game at best, Trauma Center you can do with a controller and have just as much fun, and I'd rather have had a controller for Metroid Prime.

wrong there is no way you could do what is needed on the harder levels with out a pointer or mouse, and fun is an opinion but there is still no way it would be as much fun with a game pad

Heck, even with a computer mouse that would be challenging. Wii-mote pointer makes it easier to make fast and accurate motions, or quick, slashing lines. Computer mouse is more precise, but gets a little hectic at high speeds.
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[QUOTE="goblaa"]

Ball-on-a-Stick makes me think of ball in a cup.

Iamsmee

Actually that example is quite revelent to gaming... There was an episode of the Simpsons that was mocking Mortal Kombat, a really bloody and violent game came out and Bart's friend had it so Bart stole a version to get it... And then in the end the fad passes on and Milhouse moved onto a basic ball in a cup! After the hype is gone, all you have left is a bad fighting game.

it was called bone storm and it was making fun of blood storm

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Natal = nice tech, not so practical for games Wand = better than Wiimote due to 1to1 motion and lack of lag. Also the camera can offer some full body tracking(obviously not near Natal though) WM+ = most economically viable. Neither Natal or Wand will have huge success(think Eyetoy success) or replace Wii unless they are launched with new consoles. No publisher(except 1st party) is going to greenlight games that require peripherals that only a fraction of a userbase owns. Not to mention Natal and 'wand' being so different would limit multiplats.
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#27 goblaa
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[QUOTE="Iamsmee"]

[QUOTE="goblaa"]

Ball-on-a-Stick makes me think of ball in a cup.

surrealnumber5

Actually that example is quite revelent to gaming... There was an episode of the Simpsons that was mocking Mortal Kombat, a really bloody and violent game came out and Bart's friend had it so Bart stole a version to get it... And then in the end the fad passes on and Milhouse moved onto a basic ball in a cup! After the hype is gone, all you have left is a bad fighting game.

it was called bone storm and it was making fun of blood storm

I also remember in the commercial for it, they guy in the fighting game was fighting a tank. Very awesome.

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#28 savebattery
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[QUOTE="ultima-flare"]Natal = nice tech, not so practical for games Wand = better than Wiimote due to 1to1 motion and lack of lag. Also the camera can offer some full body tracking(obviously not near Natal though) WM+ = most economically viable. Neither Natal or Wand will have huge success(think Eyetoy success) or replace Wii unless they are launched with new consoles. No publisher(except 1st party) is going to greenlight games that require peripherals that only a fraction of a userbase owns. Not to mention Natal and 'wand' being so different would limit multiplats.

Wii Motion Plus is also 1:1, and the lag factor is something that varies by game.
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#29 jakehouston88
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Sony ball on a stick. :)

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Will the PS3 one have an analog stick?

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I'm not sure which to vote for. Sony's Ball on stick offers the best tech, but without a doubt the Wii Motion+ will be the most popular solution with the best games.
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I'm not sure which to vote for. Sony's Ball on stick offers the best tech, but without a doubt the Wii Motion+ will be the most popular solution with the best games.Luigi_Vincetana
What evidence do you have that Sony's ball on a stick offers the best tech? What technical specs? What games? You're simply basing this off a hype driven demo where they claim to be superior (as every company does) with no evidence whatsoever to back that claim.
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#34 vidplayer8
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for now, none of them work with games I actually care about.

Only motion plus comes close.

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Maybe Microsoft. If they can offer it for cheap enough and offer enough benefits outside of gaming. Because honestly I don't think any of these are going to see much support from the developers overall.

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[QUOTE="Iamsmee"]

[QUOTE="goblaa"]

Ball-on-a-Stick makes me think of ball in a cup.

surrealnumber5

Actually that example is quite revelent to gaming... There was an episode of the Simpsons that was mocking Mortal Kombat, a really bloody and violent game came out and Bart's friend had it so Bart stole a version to get it... And then in the end the fad passes on and Milhouse moved onto a basic ball in a cup! After the hype is gone, all you have left is a bad fighting game.

it was called bone storm and it was making fun of blood storm

The title was mimicked after Blood Storm, but it seems the Simspons was parodying MK just as much considering BS was meant to be a MK-killer and was made because of MK's success. Wikipedia ftw.

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Will the PS3 one have an analog stick?

tubbyc

Um... UM... UMMMMM... NO .... They didn't show off any analog stick attachment like Nintendo did...

This could be quite disasterous...

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#38 nhh18
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If natal didn't have zero potential and is basically eyetoy with person detection no one would care. Instead because microsoft made this a huge point in their key note, and showed a fake cgi bs video people are interested in something that has zero potential. I mean the only way this even has potential is if the 6 games they make from the ground up on it (I doubt it could play any hardcore game like halo 3, or gears of war which both the sony ball-on-a-stick, and wii M+ can) then what is the use. To limit gamers even further?

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[QUOTE="Luigi_Vincetana"]I'm not sure which to vote for. Sony's Ball on stick offers the best tech, but without a doubt the Wii Motion+ will be the most popular solution with the best games.desmondsultanas
What evidence do you have that Sony's ball on a stick offers the best tech? What technical specs? What games? You're simply basing this off a hype driven demo where they claim to be superior (as every company does) with no evidence whatsoever to back that claim.

There was an actual demonstration of the technology and the various things it could do as well as how it operated.

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[QUOTE="desmondsultanas"][QUOTE="Luigi_Vincetana"]I'm not sure which to vote for. Sony's Ball on stick offers the best tech, but without a doubt the Wii Motion+ will be the most popular solution with the best games.hakanakumono

What evidence do you have that Sony's ball on a stick offers the best tech? What technical specs? What games? You're simply basing this off a hype driven demo where they claim to be superior (as every company does) with no evidence whatsoever to back that claim.

There was an actual demonstration of the technology and the various things it could do as well as how it operated.

It doesn't even have an analog stick solution yet... Clearly the best technology...

and it's abilities were not any better then WMP... actually it seemed even more shakey...

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In terms of applications to gaming: PS motion>Wii M+>>>natal. PS motion looked the most responsive with sub-millimeter accuracy and virtually no latency. M+ had little lag but it never seemed to follow the hand as closely as Sony's controller. Only the IR pointer gets that close. Natal has a disgucting amount of lag and the best features I have seen for it was navigating menus....>.>
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[QUOTE="TheGrat1"]In terms of applications to gaming: PS motion>Wii M+>>>natal. PS motion looked the most responsive with sub-millimeter accuracy and virtually no latency. M+ had little lag but it never seemed to follow the hand as closely as Sony's controller. Only the IR pointer gets that close. Natal has a disgucting amount of lag and the best features I have seen for it was navigating menus....>.>

Sub-milimeter accuracy explains why he couldn't hit a ball... or shoot arrows at the guy on the right...
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[QUOTE="GundamGuy0"]

[QUOTE="hakanakumono"]

What evidence do you have that Sony's ball on a stick offers the best tech? What technical specs? What games? You're simply basing this off a hype driven demo where they claim to be superior (as every company does) with no evidence whatsoever to back that claim. desmondsultanas

There was an actual demonstration of the technology and the various things it could do as well as how it operated.

It doesn't even have an analog stick solution yet... Clearly the best technology...

and it's abilities were not any better then WMP... actually it seemed even more shakey...

Remember: he stressed that it was an engineering prototype. It already has buttons and an analog ctrigger on each controller. They could whip up an analog stick in a week if they wanted to.
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#44 GundamGuy0
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[QUOTE="TheGrat1"][QUOTE="GundamGuy0"]

[QUOTE="hakanakumono"]

There was an actual demonstration of the technology and the various things it could do as well as how it operated.

It doesn't even have an analog stick solution yet... Clearly the best technology...

and it's abilities were not any better then WMP... actually it seemed even more shakey...

Remember: he stressed that it was an engineering prototype. It already has buttons and an analog ctrigger on each controller. They could whip up an analog stick in a week if they wanted to.

and where would they put the analog stick, so that you can press buttons and use it with one hand?
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[QUOTE="TheGrat1"]In terms of applications to gaming: PS motion>Wii M+>>>natal. PS motion looked the most responsive with sub-millimeter accuracy and virtually no latency. M+ had little lag but it never seemed to follow the hand as closely as Sony's controller. Only the IR pointer gets that close. Natal has a disgucting amount of lag and the best features I have seen for it was navigating menus....>.>GundamGuy0
Sub-milimeter accuracy explains why he couldn't hit a ball... or shoot arrows at the guy on the right...

Maybe he just is'nt gifted with hand-eye coordination? The racket was'nt that big and it was a rough tech demo. >.>
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[QUOTE="GundamGuy0"][QUOTE="TheGrat1"]In terms of applications to gaming: PS motion>Wii M+>>>natal. PS motion looked the most responsive with sub-millimeter accuracy and virtually no latency. M+ had little lag but it never seemed to follow the hand as closely as Sony's controller. Only the IR pointer gets that close. Natal has a disgucting amount of lag and the best features I have seen for it was navigating menus....>.>TheGrat1
Sub-milimeter accuracy explains why he couldn't hit a ball... or shoot arrows at the guy on the right...

Maybe he just is'nt gifted with hand-eye coordination? The racket was'nt that big and it was a rough tech demo. >.>

and from this rough tech demo, you can say it's better then Wii Motion Plus? How can you tell?
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#47 mariokart64fan
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potential and actually making use of it is 2 different storys you see, sega saturn had the potential , but fell hard,

wii motion plus, wii vitalizer 2 big things to look forward to because ,, it is already in motion-the wii , ,

it relys on this stuff while 360 relied on standard pads throughout the entire gen until when ever this comes out , do you think devs will change in this market, if it takes more money to develope a 360 game on standard pads what do you think ittl do to the cost then

also ms better have a good reasonable price , because we already got 360 cams ,,

i say sony may have a chance but not set in stone due to the fact they have it hard as it is ,

sony did start off with wii like controls already so its a no brainer sony would have more expierence then ms , , in this area, ,

nintendo edges both out because theyve pioneered it since nes - duck hunt any one,,

i feel bad for those who think motion sensing is new, ,in gaming, ,

really , 1987 -duck hunt look it up , it was the first nes game to use a motion sensing light gun

similar to zapper but can t play on lcd screens

wii would be the first to allow that one ,,

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#48 TheGrat1
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[QUOTE="TheGrat1"][QUOTE="GundamGuy0"] It doesn't even have an analog stick solution yet... Clearly the best technology...

and it's abilities were not any better then WMP... actually it seemed even more shakey...

GundamGuy0

Remember: he stressed that it was an engineering prototype. It already has buttons and an analog ctrigger on each controller. They could whip up an analog stick in a week if they wanted to.

and where would they put the analog stick, so that you can press buttons and use it with one hand?

At the top or the bottom. And like he said, the design could change completely. It could end up looking like a Dualshock split in half. Only time will tell.

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[QUOTE="TheGrat1"][QUOTE="GundamGuy0"] Sub-milimeter accuracy explains why he couldn't hit a ball... or shoot arrows at the guy on the right... GundamGuy0
Maybe he just is'nt gifted with hand-eye coordination? The racket was'nt that big and it was a rough tech demo. >.>

and from this rough tech demo, you can say it's better then Wii Motion Plus? How can you tell?

To my eyes, it simply responded faster. It took the best pary of the wii remote, the IR pointer, and applied it to every motion. That controller was picking up every jitter of his hand, I did'nt see that in wii sports resort.
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[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"]

[QUOTE="Iamsmee"]

Actually that example is quite revelent to gaming... There was an episode of the Simpsons that was mocking Mortal Kombat, a really bloody and violent game came out and Bart's friend had it so Bart stole a version to get it... And then in the end the fad passes on and Milhouse moved onto a basic ball in a cup! After the hype is gone, all you have left is a bad fighting game.

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it was called bone storm and it was making fun of blood storm

The title was mimicked after Blood Storm, but it seems the Simspons was parodying MK just as much considering BS was meant to be a MK-killer and was made because of MK's success. Wikipedia ftw.

in the simpsons there was a tank fighting a mock-up of the super rapter robot thing from blood storm, just because you dont know of blood storm dont try to make it like MK they made fun of that game in a few other episodes and in furturama