Wii not really a next gen console confirmed (56k no)

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#1 JiveT
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Its good to see professional confirmation on this heated subject. Link: http://xgatech.com/modules/news/article.php?storyid=2577

Here's a picture from the article and one more I found.

That picture is from Gamespot. ^^^^

Here's another Wii shot that proves its not next gen.

That one is from IGN. ^^^ Just to make sure people know I have multiple sources.

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#2 hamstergeddon
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lol, you got it from an article called "Worst looking Wii title"

You don't need an underpowered system to make a game look bad ;)
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#3 mikl1018
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This thread is just begging for some GUN pics
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#4 111v
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Most all of us have established the fact that most Wii games are lacking in the graphics department, so what are you trying to prove?
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#5 metroidfood
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LOL!

At you for thinking Wii is not next gen because of the graphics of some of the worst games on the system. :lol:

And BTW, some random person's blog is not a reliable source.

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#6 OpiateE
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omg, you just blinded me with those pics...
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#7 m_machine024
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This thread is just begging for some GUN picsmikl1018
LOL and Gumdam.
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#8 Teuf_
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We've known for a long time now that its basically a GameCube under the hood.

Who's this guy that you linked us to?
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#9 Hewkii
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where is it stated that next gen requires advanced technology?
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#10 deactivated-5c009341336cd
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its pretty fun

more than 360 and ps3 in my opinion (gears is really good though ill admit)

besides, how come ps3 and 360 fan alwaystalk bout there gfx, if anyone has the right to do that its the pc gamers

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#11 metroidfood
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We've known for a long time now that its basically a GameCube under the hood.

Who's this guy that you linked us to?
Teufelhuhn

More like 2 gamecubes.

kthxbi

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#12 Teuf_
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where is it stated that next gen requires advanced technology?Hewkii


Why would we buy new systems if the technology were the same?
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#13 mojito1988
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Ah man now i see the light!!! Thanks man! (o boy your a smart one lol)
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#14 justiceboy13
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this was confirmed, long ago by Nintendo.

it's focus isn't graphics it's gameplay. Why do some of you not get this?

anyway, there are still some pretty games on Wii.

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#15 a_ratchet_fan
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This thread is just begging for some GUN picsmikl1018


Even GUN, no matter how crappy of a port, looks better than this ****.  I'm sorry, but... the Wii really isn't proving that it's as powerful as the Xbox.  If that were the case, then why aren't we seeing better-looking games?  If it's basically the same architecture as the GC, which developers have had multiple years of experience with, then why the **** do these games look like PSX games?

I kind of wish that there were links to gameplay videos, though.  They almost always look better than screens.  But I don't think it can improve much....
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#16 Teuf_
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[QUOTE="Teufelhuhn"]We've known for a long time now that its basically a GameCube under the hood.

Who's this guy that you linked us to?
metroidfood

More like 2 gamecubes.

kthxbi



Same thing. A 2x increase in processing power is basically nothing. You need 50-100x increase to actually have noticable improvements.
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#17 ramen613
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why are you using wii titles with the worst graphics on the wii
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#18 -The-G-Man-
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You don't seriously expect me to believe all Wii games look like that, do you?
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#19 metroidfood
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[QUOTE="metroidfood"]

[QUOTE="Teufelhuhn"]We've known for a long time now that its basically a GameCube under the hood.

Who's this guy that you linked us to?
Teufelhuhn

More like 2 gamecubes.

kthxbi



Same thing. A 2x increase in processing power is basically nothing. You need 50-100x increase to actually have noticable improvements.

SMG and SSBB have pretty noticable improvements.

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#20 magiciandude
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Wow, even the NES has better graphics than that.
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#21 deactivated-5e836a855beb2
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[QUOTE="Hewkii"]where is it stated that next gen requires advanced technology?Teufelhuhn


Why would we buy new systems if the technology were the same?

You mean similar? Makes more sense than buying a Gamecube, I'll tell you that.
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#22 Hater3000
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I might have to wait to get a wii with (Please dont can it)Proyect Hammer or Resident Evil Chronicles before arguing but those are awful screen-shots.

Anyway how powerfull is the wii?,I have heard is more powerful than 2 gamecubes and with better graphics than the xbox but didn't the GC had the better graphics in the last gen?.

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#23 DSgamer64
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Nuff said!

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#24 OpiateE
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this was confirmed, long ago by Nintendo.

it's focus isn't graphics it's gameplay. Why do some of you not get this?

anyway, there are still some pretty games on Wii.

justiceboy13

yeah thats too bad that it dosent focus on both, gameplay and graphics, like the other two next gen consoles.

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#26 Teuf_
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I might have to wait to get a wii with (Please dont can it)Proyect Hammer or Resident Evil Chronicles before arguing but those are awful screen-shots.

Anyway how powerfull is the wii?,I have heard is more powerful than 2 gamecubes and with better graphics than the xbox but didn't the GC had the better graphics in the last gen?.

Hater3000


About 2x GameCube. Its not going to be able to do too much that the Cube couldn't handle.
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#27 Hewkii
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[QUOTE="Hewkii"]where is it stated that next gen requires advanced technology?Teufelhuhn


Why would we buy new systems if the technology were the same?

that wasn't the question.

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#28 Teuf_
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[QUOTE="Teufelhuhn"][QUOTE="Hewkii"]where is it stated that next gen requires advanced technology?Jandurin


Why would we buy new systems if the technology were the same?

You mean similar? Makes more sense than buying a Gamecube, I'll tell you that.



Listen...my GameCube makes a great bookend, okay! :P
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#29 magiciandude
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Nuff said!

DSgamer64

The Sega Genesis has better graphics than that!

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#30 -Sora
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How about we compare the best games next time?

blame the devs for that crap, not the system

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#31 cametall
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where is it stated that next gen requires advanced technology?Hewkii

In the Necronomicon by Abdul Alhazred.

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#32 Nickman71
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[QUOTE="metroidfood"]

[QUOTE="Teufelhuhn"]We've known for a long time now that its basically a GameCube under the hood.

Who's this guy that you linked us to?
Teufelhuhn

More like 2 gamecubes.

kthxbi



Same thing. A 2x increase in processing power is basically nothing. You need 50-100x increase to actually have noticable improvements.

LOLWAT?

2x is 100%. You're telling me that from PS2 to PS3 the graphics increased 10,000%?

HAHAHA!

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[QUOTE="Hater3000"]

I might have to wait to get a wii with (Please dont can it)Proyect Hammer or Resident Evil Chronicles before arguing but those are awful screen-shots.

Anyway how powerfull is the wii?,I have heard is more powerful than 2 gamecubes and with better graphics than the xbox but didn't the GC had the better graphics in the last gen?.

Teufelhuhn



About 2x GameCube. Its not going to be able to do too much that the Cube couldn't handle.

And there's the motion sensing, online play, photo voting and internet channels, and VC.

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#34 laughingman42
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yay for using a three year old port and a fishing game that probably cost 5,000 to make!! wasily the worst looking games on the wii and an obvious sign of fanboy bashing.
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#35 justiceboy13
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[QUOTE="justiceboy13"]

this was confirmed, long ago by Nintendo.

it's focus isn't graphics it's gameplay. Why do some of you not get this?

anyway, there are still some pretty games on Wii.

OpiateE

yeah thats too bad that it dosent focus on both, gameplay and graphics, like the other two next gen consoles.

the Wii focuses on gameplay in a different way than the other 2. And I don't feel too bold in saying that it focuses on gameplay more than the other two, but the graphics are compromised. I don't mind the trade-off at all, I love my Wii. It's a totally new way to play games.

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#36 Teuf_
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[QUOTE="Teufelhuhn"][QUOTE="Hewkii"]where is it stated that next gen requires advanced technology?Hewkii



Why would we buy new systems if the technology were the same?

that wasn't the question.



Well isn't it? Don't we as consumers determine what is "next-gen", and not some overpaid PR guy?
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#37 a_ratchet_fan
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If you watch the vid it doesn't look that bad.

http://www.gametrailers.com/player/15709.html
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#38 hamstergeddon
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[QUOTE="DSgamer64"]

Nuff said!

magiciandude

The Sega Genesis has better graphics than that!


plz tell me you are joking, and being very, very sarcastic.  


I need my faith in humanity restored, please....
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[QUOTE="Teufelhuhn"][QUOTE="Hater3000"]

I might have to wait to get a wii with (Please dont can it)Proyect Hammer or Resident Evil Chronicles before arguing but those are awful screen-shots.

Anyway how powerfull is the wii?,I have heard is more powerful than 2 gamecubes and with better graphics than the xbox but didn't the GC had the better graphics in the last gen?.

CJL13



About 2x GameCube. Its not going to be able to do too much that the Cube couldn't handle.

And there's the motion sensing, online play, photo voting and internet channels, and VC.

dont forget weather and news channels (I'm not being sarcastic. I use them every day believe it or not)
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#40 OpiateE
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[QUOTE="DSgamer64"]

Nuff said!

magiciandude

The Sega Genesis has better graphics than that!

Am i gonna have to post the before and after pics of Red Steel?

I wouldn't count on the mario game looking that good if i was you...

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#41 -Sora
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Nuff said!

DSgamer64

TC owned, Mario actually looks really really good for a wii game

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#42 Hewkii
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Well isn't it? Don't we as consumers determine what is "next-gen", and not some overpaid PR guy?
Teufelhuhn

how would we determine it? sales? what?

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#43 deactivated-5e836a855beb2
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Well isn't it? Don't we as consumers determine what is "next-gen", and not some overpaid PR guy?
Teufelhuhn
:?

I just look in the dictionary for definitions. :P I know, I know, I should be more radical, but it feels wrong to go against.

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#44 MaTT2011
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Excuse me, topic poster, but here in reality we have this thing called "logic" that comes in very handy when it comes to NOT making a complete arse of yourself.

Here, i'll show you how to use it:

What determines whether or not a system is "next gen" or not has VERY LITTLE to do with its graphical capabilities. If that were the case then the only next gen system out would be the one that currently has the most graphical capabilities.

What DOES determine whether or not a gaming system is next gen or not has entirely to do with whether or not it provides a means, to developers, to the end of new gameplay design and dynamics. The wii does this by creating a revolutionary motion based control system that also has many traditional qualities to it such as buttons, triggers and analog sticks/d-pads. Because the wii offers such a comprehensive method of control it provides the widest range of gameplay possibilities for developers to create and for players to experience. The other systems simply provide more graphical capabilities; which at this point in the evolution of gaming is adding very little to the overall range of gameplay possibilities that the system can provide. In fact the majority of games on the so called next gen systems of x360 and ps3 seem to be last gen games with much better graphics; but the gameplay remains relatively the same as many of the games provided in the last generation of gaming.

So the Wii IS a "next gen" system by this definition and many, many, others. The only reason you havent reached this conclusion is because of your lack of logic or an extreme flaw in logic. You have no argument, you have no evidence and judging by your initial post you have NO credibility such that you yourself could determine and then dictate to others the "next gen" status of gaming systems currently available.

Now that you have been owned i expect a civil apology ... or you could just leave, read some books, study logic and argumentation and THEN come back and make some threads.

Until then; ZIP IT.

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#45 MxM
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Why would we buy new systems if the technology were the same?
Teufelhuhn

But technology is NOT the same. Sure the graphics are closer to last generation than to this, but there is one very important thing you forget - controller.

I am a PC gamer myself but I did buy Wii, even though it is generations behind PC graphics. Why? It has interesting controls. For the same reason I will never buy XBox 360 and PS3, because the controls sucks for the games that I play on PC (RTS, TBS, FPS, MMORPG)

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[QUOTE="magiciandude"][QUOTE="DSgamer64"]

Nuff said!

OpiateE

The Sega Genesis has better graphics than that!

Am i gonna have to post the before and after pics of Red Steel?

I wouldn't count on the mario game looking that good if i was you...

We've seen gmaeplay videos, they look EXACALLY like the screenshots posted. Ubisoft is not a ogod basis to say nitnedo pre-renders anything.

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#47 magiciandude
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[QUOTE="magiciandude"][QUOTE="DSgamer64"]

Nuff said!

hamstergeddon

The Sega Genesis has better graphics than that!


plz tell me you are joking, and being very, very sarcastic.


I need my faith in humanity restored, please....

If I wasn't being sarcastic, I would be a blind fanboy. I was just acting like a typical fanboy.

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#48 Teuf_
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[QUOTE="Teufelhuhn"][QUOTE="metroidfood"]

[QUOTE="Teufelhuhn"]We've known for a long time now that its basically a GameCube under the hood.

Who's this guy that you linked us to?
Nickman71

More like 2 gamecubes.

kthxbi



Same thing. A 2x increase in processing power is basically nothing. You need 50-100x increase to actually have noticable improvements.


LOLWAT?

2x is 100%. You're telling me that from PS2 to PS3 the graphics increased 10,000%?

HAHAHA!


I'm telling you that the PS3 and 360 were about 50-100x more powerful then their predecessors, not that the graphics look 50-100x "better". There's a big difference, perceived graphics quality is very subjective thing.

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#49 magiciandude
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[QUOTE="magiciandude"][QUOTE="DSgamer64"]

Nuff said!

OpiateE

The Sega Genesis has better graphics than that!

Am i gonna have to post the before and after pics of Red Steel?

I wouldn't count on the mario game looking that good if i was you...

Why bother? It's not like Red Steel was made by Nintendo in the first place. :|

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#50 JiveT
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Here's the key quote from the article that proves this thesis.

Jonothan:"I would say next gen consoles but the Wii isn't really next gen, is it? Of course not."