Wii U could've been more powerful than PS3/360 at the same $350 price tag.

[QUOTE="ChubbyGuy40"]

Nintendo wanted a compact, extremely efficient (ie low power) console that also has 1:1 Wii Mode. It wasn't solely the Gamepad that held back it's potential graphical prowess.

We also haven't seen any dev take it seriously yet for exclusives. Porting existing content over to more powerful hardware doesn't automatically make it look better.

runbleduck

The WiiU is tiny for a console and pretty efficient from what  I heard on neogaf.Also no one knows the technical specs of the console yet. People on neogaf and other tech sites are still confused what the console can produce for graphics in games.

[QUOTE="runbleduck"][QUOTE="ChubbyGuy40"]

Nintendo wanted a compact, extremely efficient (ie low power) console that also has 1:1 Wii Mode. It wasn't solely the Gamepad that held back it's potential graphical prowess.

We also haven't seen any dev take it seriously yet for exclusives. Porting existing content over to more powerful hardware doesn't automatically make it look better.

super600

The WiiU is tiny for a console and pretty efficient from what  I heard on neogaf.Also no one knows the technical specs of the console yet. People on neogaf and other tech sites are still confused what the console can produce for graphics in games.

[QUOTE="super600"]

[QUOTE="runbleduck"] Except Wii U is huge and terribly power inefficient given its low-spec in today's market. Just try comparing to cell phones which are far more powerful than the Wii U. Just face it and admit that Wii U is a terribly engineered product in all aspects. Pretty pathetic that they can't even make a simple OS right. Even the physical components are made from cheap materials. Unbelievable Nintendo has the nerve to charge 350 for such awfully designed and built product. Martin_G_N

The WiiU is tiny for a console and pretty efficient from what  I heard on neogaf.Also no one knows the technical specs of the console yet. People on neogaf and other tech sites are still confused what the console can produce for graphics in games.

I was talking about the amount of energy it wastes most of the time.

i rather want it to be unique than just another powerhouse consoleThe_Last_Ride

By unique you mean a underpowered gimmick with no games at a premium price.

Power didn't save the gamecube or N64. PS2 is like the best system ever and also the weakest of its gen.

painguy1

PS2 was not weakest of that generation, that was the Dreamcast. PS2 was actually incredibly powerful for it's time, but it's true the year later we saw even more powerful Xbox and Gamecube.

Of course, like the N64, Nintendo bottlenecked the GC by it's choice of format resulting in 3rd parties once again skipping the GC platform, like GTA.

I bought a Wii U, but I wasn't in some sort of fantasy land with the purchase. I bought it for the same reason I bought the N64, Gamecube, and Wii, for high quality exclusives. That's it.

[QUOTE="painguy1"]

Power didn't save the gamecube or N64. PS2 is like the best system ever and also the weakest of its gen.

CwlHeddwyn

This is exactly right. I've seen that poor and incorrect argument thrown around from younger/naive users for years and it's incorrect.

I think the idea is to justify the power gap of the Wii to the PS360, but it still doesn't work because the power gap between the PS2 to GC/Xbox wasn't the same as the Wii to PS360. There is a huge margin of difference.

As far as the topic, I own two Wii Us. I'm looking forward to when Nintendo actually releases some damn 1st party retail games this year. I haven't bought games for the Wii U since last year, and like the N64, GC, and Wii, my Wii U is for high quality exclusives designed around the Wii U's hardware.

[QUOTE="MirkoS77"]Why do people always believe that if Nintendo did JUST this one thing (have a regular controller, have many games), that it would fix all of their problems? The entire management of Nintendo is fvcked and needs to go. It's not just one thing or another, it's Nintendo's entire philosophy and approach to gaming that's the problem. Until they get rid of all the old geezers (and Iwata asap), nothing will change for them. That company really needs to be torn down and rebuilt from the ground up. DJ-Lafleur

Yeah, Nintendo's Management really screwed them on the failures that are the DS, 3DS, and Wii. Nintendo will never be able to recover from those. :(

You mean the 3DS that had no games on launch and needed a drastic price drop to begin to move units?  Hell, I think even Iwata has come out and said he bungled the launch.

You mean the Wii, whose sole reason for success lied upon a gimmicky, unrealized promise to the masses of a tech that never got past the point of novelty?  Masses who are now gone?

Those two?  I'll grant you the DS, but the hand-held market is where Nintendo has always reigned supreme, and they even struggled in the early period of the 3DS.  This is not even mentioning the Wii U, its lack of games, and many dumb decisions they've made of late.

So how exactly is reactive corrective action competent management as opposed to proactive decisions and actions that avoid mishaps altogether?  A good receiver in football is not good if he continually fumbles passes only to pick them up afterwards to run them in.  Fumbles happen, yes, but with a professional it's supposed to be the exception, not the rule, for which Nintendo it always seems to be.

Yeah, Nintendo's Management really screwed them on the failures that are the DS, 3DS, and Wii. Nintendo will never be able to recover from those. :(DJ-Lafleur

At best they can get the Wii U to GC level of success on the backs of hardcore Nintendo faithful, and let the 3DS carry them until their next set of hardware. (like how they just got by with the GC while the DS did all the real work)

wiiu is more powerful then ps3 360 ,  i guess you didnt play need for speed most wanted u 

wiiu is more powerful then ps3 360 ,  i guess you didnt play need for speed most wanted u 

mariokart64fan

[QUOTE="DJ-Lafleur"] The Wii was nothing but dumb luck, you know it, and they know it. That system was a success in spite of anything Nintendo management did, not as a direct result of it. Even they admitted Wii was a hail mary pass because the N64 and GC made it clear they couldn't compete by going the traditional path of console development. It became a fad. Now the fad is over, because the people who made Wii such a run away overnight success are now buying the game types they liked on the Wii for their smart phones and tablets at half or less the price, and the core gamers they burned last gen won't give them a second look because the game lineup sucks and the hardware is complete shit.

At best they can get the Wii U to GC level of success on the backs of hardcore Nintendo faithful, and let the 3DS carry them until their next set of hardware. (like how they just got by with the GC while the DS did all the real work)

Buckhannah

What does dumb luck have to do with anything of the Wii's success? The Wii U is doing worse than the Wii, yes, but how does that invalidate what Nintendo pulled off with the Wii? They're two different products with two different situations, and I really just don't think the Wii U's situation can really be used to prove the Wii was nothing but dumb luck, or invalidate the Wii's success. I mean, the Wii U tablet wasn't as "new" as the Wii-mote. People are used to tablets and such, while motiion control gaming was something not so mainstream before the Wii launched. Add with that the whole issue with the Wii u's naming throwing off the casual market, and Nintendo's weaker attempt at marketing, and this only further hurt the Wii U more.

[QUOTE="mariokart64fan"]

wiiu is more powerful then ps3 360 ,  i guess you didnt play need for speed most wanted u 

Buckhannah

Gens have nothing to do with power. It is alll based on time. The Wii U is going to be competing against the PS4 and 720, and thus it is in their same generation

yea like power worked for them on the n64 and gamecube...

nah they need to stand out from the twins..

KBFloYd

[QUOTE="Martin_G_N"][QUOTE="super600"]

The WiiU is tiny for a console and pretty efficient from what I heard on neogaf.Also no one knows the technical specs of the console yet. People on neogaf and other tech sites are still confused what the console can produce for graphics in games.

super600

I was talking about the amount of energy it wastes most of the time.

AMD A8-3520M APU has 35 watts.

My laptop's Radeon HD 5730M/6570M (26 watts) has better results than the Wii U.

The alternative Wii U would be mini-PS4 setup i.e.

CPU: AMD Jaguar Quad Core

GPU: AMD "Mars" GCN with 6 CUs

AMD "Mars" GCN is capable to run BattleField 3 @ 1080p with ultra details. http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/radeon-hd-8790m-mars-benchmark,3382.html

PS4's AMD APU has AMD Jaguar 8 cores and GCN with 18 CUs. Jumping to AMD GCN family would have feature parity with PS4 and Xbox Next.

Compared to AMD GCN, the older VLIW based Radeon HDs are aging design.

With full AMD APU with GCN, Wii U could have been the "mini-PS4".

Gens have nothing to do with power. It is alll based on time. The Wii U is going to be competing against the PS4 and 720, and thus it is in their same generation

DJ-Lafleur

Nintendo could fix Wii U with laptop/hybrid tablet form factor i.e. Wii U can not complete against PS4 or Xbox Next in a desktop form factor.

28 nm process tech for the APU in ultra-thin form factor with detachable touch screen device with optional laptop type Li-ion batteries.

Wii U's APU has low enough TDP but it has the wrong form factor.

[QUOTE="runbleduck"][QUOTE="ChubbyGuy40"]

Nintendo wanted a compact, extremely efficient (ie low power) console that also has 1:1 Wii Mode. It wasn't solely the Gamepad that held back it's potential graphical prowess.

We also haven't seen any dev take it seriously yet for exclusives. Porting existing content over to more powerful hardware doesn't automatically make it look better.

super600

The WiiU is tiny for a console and pretty efficient from what  I heard on neogaf.Also no one knows the technical specs of the console yet. People on neogaf and other tech sites are still confused what the console can produce for graphics in games.

Nintendo started it's doom by becoming gimmicky instead of making solid hardware. While the Wii's gimmicky controls got people's attention, that fad faded over time. So when Nintendo tried another gimmick with the tablet controller people weren't impressed as the gimmicky way of getting people's attention had faded. Then no big games near launch only made things worse for sales. With so few sales game developers have been dropping their support. 

Nintendo becoming gimmicky was their temporary success, but lead to their failure later. 

clr84651

[QUOTE="CwlHeddwyn"][QUOTE="painguy1"]

Power didn't save the gamecube or N64. PS2 is like the best system ever and also the weakest of its gen.

SolidTy

This is exactly right. I've seen that poor and incorrect argument thrown around from younger/naive users for years and it's incorrect.

I think the idea is to justify the power gap of the Wii to the PS360, but it still doesn't work because the power gap between the PS2 to GC/Xbox wasn't the same as the Wii to PS360. There is a huge margin of difference.

As far as the topic, I own two Wii Us. I'm looking forward to when Nintendo actually releases some damn 1st party retail games this year. I haven't bought games for the Wii U since last year, and like the N64, GC, and Wii, my Wii U is for high quality exclusives designed around the Wii U's hardware.

[QUOTE="SolidTy"]

[QUOTE="CwlHeddwyn"] PS2 was stronger than Dreamcast.Zaibach

This is exactly right. I've seen that poor and incorrect argument thrown around from younger/naive users for years and it's incorrect.

I think the idea is to justify the power gap of the Wii to the PS360, but it still doesn't work because the power gap between the PS2 to GC/Xbox wasn't the same as the Wii to PS360. There is a huge margin of difference.

As far as the topic, I own two Wii Us. I'm looking forward to when Nintendo actually releases some damn 1st party retail games this year. I haven't bought games for the Wii U since last year, and like the N64, GC, and Wii, my Wii U is for high quality exclusives designed around the Wii U's hardware.

I have no choice, I expected to have finished Pikmin 3 and Wonderful 101 by now. :(

[QUOTE="KBFloYd"]

yea like power worked for them on the n64 and gamecube...

nah they need to stand out from the twins..

campzor

wii won last gen... im sure sony or MS would have loved to switch places with nintendo and sold 100million consoles...standing out made the difference for nintendo.

they need to do the same again...the gamepad, releasing 1 year earlier...laughing off E3...they are on the same track.

look at the gemelos they needed to rip off nintendo to stay competetive. if kinect and move were never released and over saturated the motion control market. i bet you the wii would have been at 120Million sold about now.