WiiU will not be good enough to sell ever.

You can lower the Price all you want, you can give it the most kick butt bundles that will make you drool, you can give it all sorts of awesome games and it will still sell less than expectations.

Why? Because it's not a PlayStation or Xbox.

Don't start saying I'm wrong because this is the truth. Xbox and PlayStation brands are held to a much higher standard than Nintendo's. That's why you see 3rd parties not giving a second thought in supporting PlayStation or Xbox yet when it comes to Nintendo they expect to be paid in full before even attempting to work on a game, or if already being worked on 3rd parties would give Nintendo their lower teir Dev team to make a multiplatform game while putting their best teams on PS or Xbox.

PC gets shafted too, but thank god for the open endness of the platform so users can make the shoddy ports better.

Nintendo? They have to deal with the abuse.

Some say this is all Nintendo's fault, some it's not, but one thing is for sure clear and that is the WiiU will not sell even after smash and Mario kart release because it will not have Dark Souls 2, The Witches 3, Thief, TitanFall, Infamous, Metal gear solid V, South Park Stick of Truth, Grand Theft Auto V, The Elder Scrolls V, etc, etc,...

@LegatoSkyheart: I think it will eventually sell well, but it won't prove to be as popular as the other two. The lack of third-party support on Nintendo platforms can be attributed to mistakes Nintendo has made in the past, but I have a feeling that even if the Wii U was comparative to the Xbone and PS4 in power it still wouldn't get the support. There's this view that only Nintendo games can sell well on Nintendo consoles, and no third-party dev seems to want to try and change this.

It's a shame cause it's such a great system. I'd honestly be surprised if it broke 10 million in it's life cycle.

That's not true; A developer has spoken out on the subject and said that MS and PS actually involve them in the process when making a console. They ask them for feedback. Nintendo basically said: here is our console, now make games for it.

Again, that's not true. If publishers shafted PC, than why does it have more games than any single console ?

Why would big publishers bother making PC exclusives ?

Wii U no good evaaahh!

Nice topic LOL.

It sells crap because it is crap. It has the worst hardware, worst graphics, worst sound, worst online, worst account system, no achievements, worst media features, fewest upcoming games and worst third party support of the three consoles. It will never get any next gen third party games. It will get a handful of Nintendo games and a few last gen ports. Real next gen gaming is elsewhere.

I own one that I got on clearance so I could play a few great exclusives. Its a joke. It doesn't come close to a 360 or ps3. Never mind a ps4 or pc. The games im playing are fun but theyd be fine on a pc or ps or xbox.

You say itd never sell even if it was awesome, just because its not a ps or xbox. I disagree. If it was a quality system it would sell. Its not a quality system. Its by far the worst 8th gen console and gamers are right to stay far away.

@locopatho: Kind of exaggerated but I do agree with your main point. I've had mine since launch and its an amazing console when everything aligns well with eachother. But a lot of the details and features are incredible out dated and sluggish.

Wii U wont sell, Nintendo knows this. They don't care. They will ride it out until the next console and move on. They've made that pretty clear.

It'll sell better for 149USD.

EDIT: Heck, I'd buy one for 50USD, maybe. Probably not. If it came with a couple games, sure.

it will not have Dark Souls 2, The Witches 3, Thief, TitanFall, Infamous, Metal gear solid V, South Park Stick of Truth, Grand Theft Auto V, The Elder Scrolls V, etc, etc,...

That's what kills it imo.

@locopatho: I don't think achievements should be factor, but you're pretty right on other things. Though I agree with widdowson91 more. Even if WiiU had everything the competition had it would still see small support. Which was my point. Nintendo's brand is weak, the weakest it's ever been. No one is going to buy a Nintendo console for their games.

@R4gn4r0k: yet almost every major 3rd party game on PC has "something" wrong with it. Like Dark Souls or Elder Scrolls.

@LegatoSkyheart:

Nintendo have trashed their third party support for decades and last gen hardware obviously doesn't help. Thats why I want them to stop making crap consoles and just focus on awesome games for powerful, high quality systems

Not true, still a lot of untapped potential in the casual and kids market.

@locopatho: worse than 360 and ps3? Sorry but that is an exaggeration .. Yes it is not above them by a lot but definitely not worse either ..

I agree Nintendo needs to get with times to get 3rd party support .. They need fresh leaderships and focus more on hardware power and online .. If they make a hardware comparable with competition and solid online features then 3rd party can start to take them seriously

I wish all three would stop making consoles and just put all of their games on the PC. That way I don't have to buy any crap consoles, graphics aren't limited to console capabilities, etc.

Ports are only terrible in like 0.1% of the case. How is that almost every ? :S

Only Nintendo is to blame. They dropped the ball completely, now they have to deal with the fallout.

They build games for the hardware, their incentive and motivation to polish and construct their games as perfect as they can possibly be is because they need that perfection for the hardware, not the other way around, locopatho.

If they would go 3rd party, they would restructure and that could possibly (quite probably as seen by the history of literally every single company that left the hardware bussiness) affect their development teams and subsidiaries in a negative way, not to mention lose that motivation they hold. They'd lose everything, and i'd die inside if one of the last major bastion of japanese gaming dies off. I wouldn't want to live in a future with mediocre, derivative shit like the exclusives on the other two consoles plagued by microtransactions.

I'm not saying that you might not be right. Nintendo may be the exception to the rule, i don't work there, so i am never going to be sure. But, if i'm going by history, that doesn't seem likely at all.

@LegatoSkyheart: You're completely wrong if you're going by that Xbox and PS brand sell more by Brand name than Nintendo. Nintendo is like the Apple of the console market whether you want to swallow that truth or not. What's the evidence ? the obvious that X1 and Ps4 titles are already outselling most of the Wii U's titles when they have bad games It means there's active gamers purchasing them, and they haven't even met sales expectations yet. some people didn't even do research on the Wii U and how similar the lack of games would be. We all knew 3rd party was going for PS and Xbox not Nintendo. Nintendo is just for First party games that have been around for 20 years... and frankly some people are tired of them. 350$ isn't worth to play some of them again. Then on the X1 and Ps4 you're going to get games like the New Dead island, destiny, Titanfall, BF5, Star Wars Battlefront, Dark Souls 3 if it ever comes out, Assassin's creed 5, GTA 6 or the next GTA all these titles you know for a fact won't show up on the Wii U.

So the X1 and PS4 are going to get a whole bunch of bad to mediocre games and the next GTA?

It will not have poor sales because of your imaginary standards. It will have poor sales because the mainstream gamer is stupid and doesn't see a superior system when there is one.

@PurpleMan5000: it doesn't matter if they're bad or mediocre it's what people want to play and look foward to. Besides Destiny looks pretty good, you can just say most people don't like shooters.. oh wait.. they do! which is what they're getting. Along with any other 3rd party game that may come out this generation. You think people bought PS4 and X1 to play knack and Ryze? ha! those games are just to pass the time until the better ones come out.

He has imaginary standards, and your generalizations are true? I'm not stupid. I don't want to play Nintendo games bad enough to own a WiiU at this point. Its that simple. People are stupid for not sharing your tastes? Grow up

That's what Nintendo gets for not listening to consumers, or developers.

Perhaps you should find a different hobby since you are obviously not that into gaming.

Perhaps life will bless you with kabuki some day.

Wii U isn't a complete failure yet. Most of Nintendo system sellers aren't even out yet. Other than that... Its not going to sell all that well. It may end a lot like the gamecube. May get 15-20 mil. in the end.

@TrappedInABox91: Yeah it's not like they've already released a 2D Mario, a 3D mario, a zelda. These are waiting in the wings ready to sell the console in its billions.

/shrug

I still want to buy one.

i will still buy one when more games come out

I almost bought one this last Christmas, but then I sat back and looked at the available games and decided to pass. A price drop and some good quality games could do wonders for the Wii-U. Especially right now since the PS4 and the Xbone have no real games.

Well yah, I could have told you that since the very beginning of its lifespan. Actually I pretty much did. I never expected lower than GC, but I ball parked it to be just as bad.

For me though if it has games I want, I don't give a flying pickle of goodness that its hardware sucks tbh. That's how most should look at it honestly. I can totally see the overpriced thing being a huge issue, but the quality of a freaking box that plays games shouldn't deter you from buying it imo. It's not like it is completely devoid of every feature; it has most of them in a lesser scale, and plays games just fine.

It should totally get on your nerves a little bit, but this talk of buying one at $50 smackers or some crap should probably stop (exaggeration I know but the point is there). NO game box is worth that much even with shit everything compared to the competitors if it plays things that are genuinely up to your speed. A freaking Zune would be bought by me if it had something unique that I like a lot, for a fairer comparison. I wouldn't say $299 is fair, but honestly... anything around $200 should shut people up if they gave a damn. There is such thing as losing a crap ton of money for selling things so cheaply when they won't sell for crap anyways you know. This isn't the customers fault but if you are going to buy a couple games for it, it should be worth at least half its original price of admission tbh.

This leads to my next point... there are plenty of fire sales abound for the thing on eBay or otherwise, so the ones whining for a price drop probably don't give no crap for it to begin with. This proves that it won't ever sell imo, unless all those stores are devoid of any customers. /rantover

I bought one.

Where is the guy that always say: "Says Troll" ? Hope he shows up.

Back to topic: The Wii U is on life support (DEAD in 2 years from now) > Wii U

I have to say, after looking at NES Remix 2, I decided to buy a Wii U and have been having fun with it so far. I should note though that, I also have a gaming PC and there was a recent change in my lifestyle that doesn't allow me to invest as much time gaming as I normally would. The Wii U is perfect for that. Games that are instantly fun and can be easily share with others. I thought the OS and loading times have been sped up immensely from the last time I tried one. Having used the console for some time now, I have to say that the only reason its not selling its because its not the BroBox or its archrival PS. The Wii was a success and it still isn't considered to be on-par by this forum's views to its competitors at the time.

Third party games won't catch up because people have not supported it. Even if they do support it, developers will find an excuse to not make games for it because of whatever budget reason they decide to pull out at the time of interview. It's not because of the capabilities of the console. The PC can be FAR more powerful and has a larger install base than any console and still some devs find excuses to not bring some of their games to it. It is what it is.

I find it hilarious when people and journalists bring up whether Nintendo should leave the console market, after coming off a tremendously successful Wii and oh by the way, the 3DS obviously isn't doing so bad. After shortly visiting the forums from a relatively long hiatus, I have found that it's best to avoid any kind of forums or 'critics' in this day an age to a certain extent. Many people are too easily swayed and propagate ideas like mindless drones without even trying things for themselves or constructing an opinion based on their own ideals. These forums are perfect for that.

I often think about how many games I would have missed playing from my NES days until the internet became more popular than it was around the PSone/PS2 era, if I had access to the excessive amount of bullcrap often found as popular opinion. To whoever decides to counteract that, I have to say, according to mass media, we should all be fans of Justin Bieber since he seems to be a pretty damn good artist/singer/musician. Yeah, right.

Happy gaming.

Sadly, that's the truth. People can try and blame whoever they want for whatever reason, but the fact is , even when companies offer 1:1 versions of their games on Nintendo consoles, they don't sell well enough to keep making them. Games like Call of Duty and Assassin's Creed are popular enough that even a small percentage of their sales on Wii U still becomes profitable, but smaller AAA titles never stood a chance.

People will continue blaming devs when they offer up half-baked versions of their titles on the Wii U, but the truth is, they do it because they don't expect to make any money. It started with Nintendo's seal of quality in the SNES and n64 days. Even if a studio finished their game, Nintendo -- by their own policy -- could reject that game if they deemed it too low quality for their system. When they royally pissed off Sony that led to a rage-baby called the Playstation, Sony went to developers and offered up a platform that would accept any title, and thus, started the chain of third parties disappearing on Nintendo consoles.

I love gamers these days. They spend so much time and effort trying to dig up reasons they hate a particular console or game, when that time could be spent having fun with the games they enjoy.

Who gives a rats ass that others like what you dont? Sheesh grow up.

"Gamers these days." Platform wars has been a thing for a long time. Let's get off our high mighty horse and quit ignoring the past.

The Wii U's failings are a culmination of poor decisions and performance years in the making. But the death blow comes from betting on features that are resigned to gimmickry (3D screen, gamepad) - the Wii showed you could lag in all other aspects as long as the novelty of your console led to experiences otherwise never before possible and innately enjoyable.

GC was awesome so it should have sold more.

Btw, Wii U isn't the one with the fewest upcoming games.

Pickiing on the wiiu is like picking on the retarded kid playing basketball. It's an irreleveant console that should be put out of it's misery. Publishers, developers, and fans don't really want it. If Nintendo was smart, they would hit the reset button and put their resources on a regular console. The wiiu is not even worth talking about.

I'll eventually get a Wii U. Eventually. Meaning, when Nintendo ceases support for it. Hopefully by that time, they'll have implemented universal accounts and will have a library that has a bit more diversity. Since the Wii, there is no reason to buy any of Nintendo's systems until they have had their run, because 95% of the time that system will be sitting there unused. I'm going to be waiting with Nintendo anyway. That's by far the best game they make, the waiting game.

But that's not the main reason. I find what is most damaging to Nintendo is that their brand name has been severely damaged in the past 3-5 years, and it sure seems like many are losing trust in them. Once consumer trust is gone, that's a very difficult thing to re-establish and usually takes years of great performance to counter.

This is what first comes to mind to me when I hear the name Nintendo: I don't believe a word they say. Not a word, and even if I did I still wouldn't believe them capable to do anything about it. They have been shown to be liars, and if they're not outright lying, then they're willfully deceiving their fanbase. And if neither of those, then they're incompetent. Everything they say....."we realize this", or "we should be doing this", "we misread that", "we were unprepared for this". Over and over and over again, for YEARS! What is going on? I don't know how it's good business to come out and continually try to explain the situation to the consumer on why things are going to shit.

NOBODY GIVES A SHIT ABOUT THE WHY. DO YOUR JOB, OR GET OFF THE POT.

Enough with the excuses and realizations. I've never seen a company so pathetic in this respect, it's downright cringe-worthy. I wonder if Iwata knows that he and his company have become Internet memes of "please understand" and "I apologize". That they are a becoming a joke. And every time Nintendo opens its mouth, they instill in me ZERO confidence to support them. When they continually come out and say they're having trouble with this or that, and as I watch nothing seems to be changing and they continue to falter, why in God's name am I ever going to give them my dollar? What they do utterly destroys my confidence, and when I spend money on anything, that's a demonstration of my confidence in whatever I'm buying.

So for me, it's not so much the hardware, and it's not the games. I can overlook the last gen tech, and I really do enjoy games such as Pikmin, Mario, and TW101. But I can't in good conscience support a company, that, through its own statements and continual blunders, demonstrate an incredible degree of incompetence. Especially one that, being so incompetent, nevertheless continues to show an extraordinarily arrogant attitude, willful ignorance, and stubbornness. To put it simply: I don't trust Nintendo anymore, andI have absolutely NO faith in them that they hold a coherent vision, that they understand how to execute it if they did, and hold the ability to do so if required. They don't seem to have their finger on the pulse of the industry. They don't care what people desire. And I can't support a company that holds these viewpoints as if they're some type of virtues to be striven for.

That's the best way I can put it.

Retarded kids should be put out of their misery? What if they want to live? :/

It's largely Nintendo's fault that the Wii U is failing. Can't really blame Sony or Microsoft for Nintendo's abysmal marketing, PR, and naming of the system. Nintendo had almost nothing in terms of games its first year either. Sony and Microsoft do have a better reputation among many gamers and even western devs, yes, though that also falls on Nintendo and alot of their current and past decisions.

nintendo are trying to show their games are better than witcher,elder scrolls and all that junk...

they convinced me...now they just need to convince another 20million.

Pretty much this.

Also, the third parties that work with Nintendo have reported that their tech support is subpar. Some have stated that it takes up to a week to hear from Nintendo.

One developer stated that they had asked about certain features on Sony and Microsoft platforms in reference to online capabilities, and Nintendo had no idea what those platforms had in features. You would think that competitors would know what is on the others platform.

Nintendo has some upper management that really needs to hit the road. I love the company in many respects, but they really set themselves up for failure time and time again. Its a shame really, they have an outstanding first party.

@KBFloYd: you're the problem.

In many ways it IS worse, actually.

I wouldn't like consoles to die completely, as they are a great alternative to PC. They have lost most of their advantages over PC at this stage though. And I do agree it'd be best if all games came out everywhere so we could all play them.

Sorry, gotta call bullshit. Work as a software programmer. There is nothing "magical" about Nintendo systems. They just shove bits around like any other computer. Nintendo games running on my PC are just as awesome. They could still release their goofy controllers for those who want them. Even if we accept they'd never be as good on PS4/Xbox hardware they hadn't designed (seems unlikely), they'd kick ALL the ass on PC hardware. I don't buy the whole "30 million Mario fans will disappear overnight!" narrative some of the crazy sheep peddle either.

Every single company that left the hardware business did so because they held on until failure and bankruptcy beckoned. Nintendo won't be in that position, as their handhelds are still awesome and profitable. So they wouldn't need to gut their developers. Just retool.

No one (bar idiot fanboys) wants Nintendo to die or their games to stop. I do want them to focus on the areas they rock at (creating GOTY games) and get out of the areas they suck at (making overpriced underpowered barren consoles).

PS2 owned that gen, no one else came close.

Pretty damn sure it is. Nintendo can't outproduce the entire rest of the world combined in games.

whatever...pretendo...flip flop boy.

YOU are the problem

@KBFloYd: Well at least I don't pretend Nintendo makes/publish godly games.

In no reality is 2 retail releases from February to May is in any way shape or form acceptable.

Looks like somebody forgot about Cabela's Big Game Hunter: Pro Hunts coming out at the end of March. It's ok, though. We all make rookie mistakes like that from time to time.