Will Elder Scrolls 5 even fit on 360's DVD 9 or will PS3 win again ?

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#101 XboximusPrime
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[QUOTE="XboximusPrime"]

[QUOTE="N7v1K0"]

Lol who cares whether you have to swap disks or not

DroidPhysX

You really think 2 discs would work in a game liek this? Would would it? OH! you want to access the left half of the world? Insert disc 2.

Although its inconvenient, its hardly a deal breaker.

it is in a game like this. oblivion isa giant open world game. Its not liek rage where they CAN spilt it into two discs. In roder for multidisc to really work in this game, it would need to have a install streaming option so you can install the second disc and just stream it off the first, eliminating a swap.

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#102 XboximusPrime
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Can someone correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't the 360 GoTY edition merely have the second disk in order to install the Shivering Isle and Knights of the Nine expansions?None of the Gamebyro games this gen have forced players to switch disc, why is everyone assuming TES5 will?

Regardless, I'll definitely have a PC for this game. :P

Kickinurass

Because elderscrolls 4 was pushing the 6.8gb limit to begin with, and if Skyrim is going to be bigger and look better, its going to require more gbs if they cant do compression magic on it.

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#103 Ross_the_Boss6
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You really think 2 discs would work in a game liek this? Would would it? OH! you want to access the left half of the world? Insert disc 2.

XboximusPrime

What makes you think it will be like that? I would think you would have to switch discs based on how far you are in the main story line, not which part of the world you are in. That would be idiotic.

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#104 Kickinurass
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[QUOTE="Kickinurass"]

Can someone correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't the 360 GoTY edition merely have the second disk in order to install the Shivering Isle and Knights of the Nine expansions?None of the Gamebyro games this gen have forced players to switch disc, why is everyone assuming TES5 will?

Regardless, I'll definitely have a PC for this game. :P

XboximusPrime

Because elderscrolls 4 was pushing the 6.8gb limit to begin with, and if Skyrim is going to be bigger and look better, its going to require more gbs if they cant do compression magic on it.

Is it confirmed Skyrim is going to be larger? Judging from maps, Cyrodiil looks a fair bit larger than Skyrim.

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#105 edidili
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[QUOTE="XboximusPrime"]

[QUOTE="Kickinurass"]

Can someone correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't the 360 GoTY edition merely have the second disk in order to install the Shivering Isle and Knights of the Nine expansions?None of the Gamebyro games this gen have forced players to switch disc, why is everyone assuming TES5 will?

Regardless, I'll definitely have a PC for this game. :P

Kickinurass

Because elderscrolls 4 was pushing the 6.8gb limit to begin with, and if Skyrim is going to be bigger and look better, its going to require more gbs if they cant do compression magic on it.

Is it confirmed Skyrim is going to be larger? Judging from maps, Cyrodiil looks a fair bit larger than Skyrim.

Or yeah, they can go the easy route and make the world smaller so 360 users will not have a problem with it.

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#106 XboximusPrime
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[QUOTE="XboximusPrime"]=

You really think 2 discs would work in a game liek this? Would would it? OH! you want to access the left half of the world? Insert disc 2.

Ross_the_Boss6

What makes you think it will be like that? I would think you would have to switch discs based on how far you are in the main story line, not which part of the world you are in. That would be idiotic.

Elderscrollsisnt linear like that. You can literaly go anywhere at any time. even in Mass Effect 2 if you wanted to go to certain solar syestems you had to pop in disc 2.

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#107 Ace6301
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[QUOTE="XboximusPrime"]

[QUOTE="Kickinurass"]

Can someone correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't the 360 GoTY edition merely have the second disk in order to install the Shivering Isle and Knights of the Nine expansions?None of the Gamebyro games this gen have forced players to switch disc, why is everyone assuming TES5 will?

Regardless, I'll definitely have a PC for this game. :P

Kickinurass

Because elderscrolls 4 was pushing the 6.8gb limit to begin with, and if Skyrim is going to be bigger and look better, its going to require more gbs if they cant do compression magic on it.

Is it confirmed Skyrim is going to be larger? Judging from maps, Cyrodiil looks a fair bit larger than Skyrim.

If we're going by the canon map though the Island Morrowind takes place on should fit into the bay at the south of the Oblivion map. Cyrodiil is only 16 km compared to Vvardenfalls 8.
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#108 SUD123456
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[QUOTE="Ross_the_Boss6"]

[QUOTE="XboximusPrime"]=

You really think 2 discs would work in a game liek this? Would would it? OH! you want to access the left half of the world? Insert disc 2.

XboximusPrime

What makes you think it will be like that? I would think you would have to switch discs based on how far you are in the main story line, not which part of the world you are in. That would be idiotic.

Elderscrollsisnt linear like that. You can literaly go anywhere at any time. even in Mass Effect 2 if you wanted to go to certain solar syestems you had to pop in disc 2.

The world is open, but the main story line is linear. You can have the same open world data duplicated on both disks including all the random/optional stuff you can do in any order. But the main plot can be sequential. Put half the main plot on disk 1 and half on disk 2. Problem solved. This is easy to implement if you need more than one disk, but nowhere near two full disks. Just duplicate 80% of the data on the two disks. Production cost wise this isn't going to make a much of a difference whether you write to 10% of disk 2 or 100% of disk 2. This is similar to the BD disks containing large volumes of duplicate data for some PS3 games to allow better streaming/reading from the disk. If you have extra capacity you can do these things.

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#109 Ross_the_Boss6
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Elderscrollsisnt linear like that. You can literaly go anywhere at any time. even in Mass Effect 2 if you wanted to go to certain solar syestems you had to pop in disc 2.

XboximusPrime

Yes, I know the world is open. That's why it would be stupid to swap discs based on what part of the world you are in.

The main storyline will be fairly linear. So it makes much more sense to swap discs based on that. Once you hit a certain part of the story, you swap discs to access all the data of the rest of the main storyline (all that dialogue, sounds, characters, whatever). All the data like towns and citizens of those towns will just be on both discs.

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#110 deactivated-5ef52b89b6fd0
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The Pc version will be the best by a long shot, and I am willing to bet the 360 version is going to be better the the ps3, That is the way Mp usually go. I would be suprised if the ps3 got the better version of the 2, as for fitting on one disk, who cares? What we cant have more then one disk now?

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#111 Wasdie  Moderator
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I can see an optional install kind of like Forza 3.

If Microsoft doesn't adopt Blu-Ray next gen they will be really behind the game.

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#112 XboximusPrime
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[QUOTE="XboximusPrime"]

Elderscrollsisnt linear like that. You can literaly go anywhere at any time. even in Mass Effect 2 if you wanted to go to certain solar syestems you had to pop in disc 2.

Ross_the_Boss6

Yes, I know the world is open. That's why it would be stupid to swap discs based on what part of the world you are in.

The main storyline will be fairly linear. So it makes much more sense to swap discs based on that. Once you hit a certain part of the story, you swap discs to access all the data of the rest of the main storyline (all that dialogue, sounds, characters, whatever). All the data like towns and citizens of those towns will just be on both discs.

the way your making it sound it sounds like the game will be there twice. i still dont get how what you are saying will work. Your basicaly saying have the whole game on both discs, but how can that be possible if the whole game cant fit on one disc to begin with potentialy?

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#113 Deathtransit
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I can see an optional install kind of like Forza 3.

If Microsoft doesn't adopt Blu-Ray next gen they will be really behind the game.

Wasdie
It seems like they must. Wasn't DVD at least partially created by Sony too?
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#114 RickyRevolver
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[QUOTE="_SWAG_"]

just like masseffect2, the ps3 version will be the best version imho

vashkey

Not much of a victory when you have to wait an entire year for it and it costs fourty dollars more than the 360 version. Not to mention you missed out on the entire first game.

Ps - PC version will be better.

LOL

another way of saying, TC your right, the 360 version will be inferior...

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#115 deactivated-5ef52b89b6fd0
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[QUOTE="vashkey"]

[QUOTE="_SWAG_"]

just like masseffect2, the ps3 version will be the best version imho

RickyRevolver

Not much of a victory when you have to wait an entire year for it and it costs fourty dollars more than the 360 version. Not to mention you missed out on the entire first game.

Ps - PC version will be better.

LOL

another way of saying, TC your right, the 360 version will be inferior...

Funny that you are so sure when the 360 usually gets the better MP.
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#116 KevinButlerVP
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[QUOTE="RickyRevolver"]

[QUOTE="vashkey"] Not much of a victory when you have to wait an entire year for it and it costs fourty dollars more than the 360 version. Not to mention you missed out on the entire first game.

Ps - PC version will be better.

Advid-Gamer

LOL

another way of saying, TC your right, the 360 version will be inferior...

Funny that you are so sure when the 360 usually gets the better MP.

in an elder scrolls game?
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#117 oldkingallant
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just like masseffect2, the ps3 version will be the best version imho

_SWAG_
Wrong. PC.
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#118 Funconsole
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[QUOTE="Advid-Gamer"][QUOTE="RickyRevolver"]

LOL

another way of saying, TC your right, the 360 version will be inferior...

KevinButlerVP

Funny that you are so sure when the 360 usually gets the better MP.

in an elder scrolls game?

MULTIPLAT :P

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#119 deactivated-5ef52b89b6fd0
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[QUOTE="KevinButlerVP"][QUOTE="Advid-Gamer"] Funny that you are so sure when the 360 usually gets the better MP. Funconsole

in an elder scrolls game?

MULTIPLAT :P

Thanks, I actually thought about spelling the whole thing out, but figured it would be easy to tell what I was referring to.
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#120 SUD123456
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[QUOTE="Ross_the_Boss6"]

[QUOTE="XboximusPrime"]

Elderscrollsisnt linear like that. You can literaly go anywhere at any time. even in Mass Effect 2 if you wanted to go to certain solar syestems you had to pop in disc 2.

XboximusPrime

Yes, I know the world is open. That's why it would be stupid to swap discs based on what part of the world you are in.

The main storyline will be fairly linear. So it makes much more sense to swap discs based on that. Once you hit a certain part of the story, you swap discs to access all the data of the rest of the main storyline (all that dialogue, sounds, characters, whatever). All the data like towns and citizens of those towns will just be on both discs.

the way your making it sound it sounds like the game will be there twice. i still dont get how what you are saying will work. Your basicaly saying have the whole game on both discs, but how can that be possible if the whole game cant fit on one disc to begin with potentialy?

Example (all numbers made up).

One DVD disk = 100%

Entire game = 120% (won't fit on one disk)

Main story line = 40% of a single DVD

Everything else = Open world, side quests, random encounters, everything except main storyline = 80% of a single DVD

Disk 1 = everything else (80%) plus half the main story (20%)

Disk 2 = everything else (80%) plus the other half of the main story (20%)

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#121 EliteM0nk3y
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I can see an optional install kind of like Forza 3.

If Microsoft doesn't adopt Blu-Ray next gen they will be really behind the game.

Wasdie

Or at least find a better storage solution.

The problem with Blu-Ray for MS is that they would have to pay royalties to the Blu-Ray Disc Association for every sale. Of course MS could just join them since they have expanded into a hardware manufacturer.

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#122 RickyRevolver
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I agree with you 100%, multiplats play better on the 360, but disk space is a whole other story.

come on... you can't seriously say playing the game in 2 disks feels more comfortable then 1

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#123 deactivated-58b6232955e4a
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[QUOTE="XboximusPrime"]

[QUOTE="Kickinurass"]

Can someone correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't the 360 GoTY edition merely have the second disk in order to install the Shivering Isle and Knights of the Nine expansions?None of the Gamebyro games this gen have forced players to switch disc, why is everyone assuming TES5 will?

Regardless, I'll definitely have a PC for this game. :P

Kickinurass

Because elderscrolls 4 was pushing the 6.8gb limit to begin with, and if Skyrim is going to be bigger and look better, its going to require more gbs if they cant do compression magic on it.

Is it confirmed Skyrim is going to be larger? Judging from maps, Cyrodiil looks a fair bit larger than Skyrim.

Map Size =/= game scale.
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The X360 version will fit fine, just like the PS3 version will be fitting fine on everyones 1 TB harddrives XD XD XD
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#125 DeckardLee2010
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[QUOTE="broken_ops"]wow "stinks" to only own consoles, ill be playing the best version on the best platform, the pc:DSlimmin360
Yeah with the worst control scheme of all....keyboard and mouse combo stinks.

Plug-in a controller then. You can even use that POS you call a DualShock 3.

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This game is going to be some awesome.....on the PC...with mods :)
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#128 F1ame_Shie1d
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The X360 version will fit fine, just like the PS3 version will be fitting fine on everyones 1 TB harddrives XD XD XDshadow8585
I get the joke, PS recently hacked and TEH PIRACY IZ OUT OF TEH CONTROLLLLLLLZZZZZZZZZZZZZ. Gimme a break. The 360 was hacked a week after it released and the people have been pirating the games since. Same with the Wii.

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#129 kuraimen
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They will probably cut material from both versions because of that like Square did with FFXIII.
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#130 Funconsole
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I agree with you 100%, multiplats play better on the 360, but disk space is a whole other story.

come on... you can't seriously say playing the game in 2 disks feels more comfortable then 1

RickyRevolver
It's not comfortable but when it only happens like maybe once? Not really a problem
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#131 ShadowDeathX
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I don't know if Skyrim will fit into the 360's 6.8 GBs of space it has....>.> maybe, but I doubt it. They most likely will cut it into two or compress the **** of it. A Blu-Ray disc however will fit it no doubt and perhaps uncompressed. Thus making the PS3 the better version to play on a console, as of now. Now, we already know the console versions are going to be lacking a **** ton of content and be crippled in performance. I can not play with long loading times, a depth of view of 5 feet, low detailed world, low frames per second, being stuck with a vanilla game forever, crippled menus, and OF COURSE all the lame bugs the game will release with. The community will patch any problems I have within a few days on the PC. On a console, I will have to wait till Bethesda decides to release a patch and for the console creator to approve of it. LAME!!! Seriously, as a person who played Oblivion on 360 (50 Hours) >.> and then replayed endlessly on PC (1000+ Hours and Never Got to Beat the Game cuz there was too much to do), I would recommend an console gamer to build a PC and get it on PC. The true experience is unreachable on a console.
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#132 ShadowDeathX
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[QUOTE="shadow8585"]The X360 version will fit fine, just like the PS3 version will be fitting fine on everyones 1 TB harddrives XD XD XDF1ame_Shie1d

I get the joke, PS recently hacked and TEH PIRACY IZ OUT OF TEH CONTROLLLLLLLZZZZZZZZZZZZZ. Gimme a break. The 360 was hacked a week after it released and the people have been pirating the games since. Same with the Wii.

or you know, I can just buy a 1TB Hard Drive and put it into my ps3.....just like I could always do since 2006.
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#133 Vadamee
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I guess TC forgot that ES4 had to be copied twice on the blu-ray disc to speed up load times :o

just like masseffect2, the ps3 version will be the best version imho

_SWAG_
The PS3 version is using an updated graphics engine but it still looks worse than the 360 version in many respects... Is this what you call the best version?
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#134 Vadamee
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[QUOTE="shadow8585"]The X360 version will fit fine, just like the PS3 version will be fitting fine on everyones 1 TB harddrives XD XD XDF1ame_Shie1d

I get the joke, PS recently hacked and TEH PIRACY IZ OUT OF TEH CONTROLLLLLLLZZZZZZZZZZZZZ. Gimme a break. The 360 was hacked a week after it released and the people have been pirating the games since. Same with the Wii.

That's not the same thing. The same root key can be used to access all 45 million PS3s... Not so with the other consoles, which is why this hack was far more popular than the others. Besides, the other consoles will brick if you try and connect to their online networks... Sony has yet to figure out how to circumvent the hacks and based on what GeoHotz said, it will be very difficult for them to do. :)
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#136 Slimmin360
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[QUOTE="Slimmin360"][QUOTE="Ace6301"] Ahahahhahahahaha. Have fun fumbling about with crappy console menus and taking time to turn to confront enemies. No hotkeys either. Can't imagine playing a TES game on a console, would be like playing football with a rock.TacticalDesire

Are you kidding, console menus are a breeze, and yes you can hotkey items to specific buttons, you've obviously never played Oblivion on a console, and turning a game camera on a console is a heck of alot easier and faster then turning it with a mouse.

I'm guessing you're new to gaming?

Um actually no, i'm one of the few gaming veterans in here thats been playing for exactly 33 years longer than most, including you have been alive...and i have played games on every platform thats ever existed PC's and consoles alike and i have preferred and always will prefer gaming on consoles.
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#137 Slimmin360
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Lol who cares whether you have to swap disks or not

N7v1K0
I don't care, it's a minor inconvenience, but given the choice i'd rather not have to, and i'd rather have a console that has more than enough hardware to handle what ever software developers send it's way. So as for the 3 consoles on the market, the PS3 is the only one that can do that for quite a few years to come....and the Blu-Ray disc space is just one example of that.