Will Nintendo ever wisen up and realize its potential for shooters?
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[QUOTE="Shinobishyguy"][QUOTE="kaangonultas"]*bunch o' bullshots*
Call me back when a wii game looks better than this(fc instincts)
kaangonultas
vs.
there...now that wasn't too hard
Sorry but my pics look alot better. Are you serıous? yes I am serious.Juding by the real screens the game doesn't look as good as the screens you posted
Then be annoying. I'll still reply to you. You know I should steal one of your gifs for this post..... *palm slap* I'm not arguing about the artistic side since that is all opinion based. I have always been referiing to the technical side and ONLY the technical side. From a technical side it is still good. Can you understand that?
Elebits had simple textures and geometry simply because the Wii couldn't handle anything more while processing the physics, the proof is in the framerate. Also, read up on what Cell Shading is as Elebits does not have a cell shaded look. Don't confuse simple textures with cell shading. The Wind Waker, Jet Set Radio, and Killer 7 are prime examples of that.
Even if Elebits was made on a Gamecube, it doesn't explain the framerate drops on the Wii. I don't think the programmers would purposefully make the game have a lackluster framerate. That would be like designing a game based on old computer hardware and having it run "just okay" and then having the game run the same on newer hardware, it doesn't make sense. If Elebits has trouble on the Wii, I can't imagine what it was running like on the Gamecube.
Half Life 2 on the Wii could be done, but it realy wouldn't look all that better from the Xbox version. The Wii is more powerful then the Xbox but not by much. First of all the GPU in the Xbox is a little bit more powerful then the Wii's and does support shaders (something which Half Life 2 does use). The Wii version would probably have slightly better textures but nothing more. Want to know why? The Wii would have to run the game at a higher resolution (for widescreen) and also support 480p output. Both of these stress the GPU further thus negating any little extra horsepower the Wii offers over the Xbox.
The Wii version won't be pretty and will most likely have framerate problems much like the Xbox version, and overall just wouldn't be worth playing unless you wanted to play the game with the Wii-mote. Valve is better off making a new game on the Wii rather then porting a game that would get lackluster results due to dated hardware.
karasill
Hm... so much to reply to. But then again, how much is worth replying to? Frankly, not that much. You lace your arguments with unsupported assumptions, and when you do get more specific (such as the Wii's GPU) you veer off into inaccuracies (the Wii's GPU supports shaders, but they're fixed shaders as opposed to the shaders on the Xbox, meaning they're trickier to use by by no means less capable). I could go more in depth, but then we'd be rehasing old arguments as you grow more and more beligerent. And that would just be a waste of all of our times. In the meanwhile, on charges of slapdash argumentation and unsupported assumptions, this thread finds you... 
[QUOTE="kaangonultas"][QUOTE="Shinobishyguy"][QUOTE="kaangonultas"]*bunch o' bullshots*
Call me back when a wii game looks better than this(fc instincts)
Shinobishyguy
vs.
there...now that wasn't too hard
Sorry but my pics look alot better. Are you serıous? yes I am serious.Juding by the real screens the game doesn't look as good as the screens you posted
What a fair comparison. pick out the worst screens of FC intincts and put in the best screens for SMG. How clever you are.:shock:
[QUOTE="karasill"]Then be annoying. I'll still reply to you. You know I should steal one of your gifs for this post..... *palm slap* I'm not arguing about the artistic side since that is all opinion based. I have always been referiing to the technical side and ONLY the technical side. From a technical side it is still good. Can you understand that?
Elebits had simple textures and geometry simply because the Wii couldn't handle anything more while processing the physics, the proof is in the framerate. Also, read up on what Cell Shading is as Elebits does not have a cell shaded look. Don't confuse simple textures with cell shading. The Wind Waker, Jet Set Radio, and Killer 7 are prime examples of that.
Even if Elebits was made on a Gamecube, it doesn't explain the framerate drops on the Wii. I don't think the programmers would purposefully make the game have a lackluster framerate. That would be like designing a game based on old computer hardware and having it run "just okay" and then having the game run the same on newer hardware, it doesn't make sense. If Elebits has trouble on the Wii, I can't imagine what it was running like on the Gamecube.
Half Life 2 on the Wii could be done, but it realy wouldn't look all that better from the Xbox version. The Wii is more powerful then the Xbox but not by much. First of all the GPU in the Xbox is a little bit more powerful then the Wii's and does support shaders (something which Half Life 2 does use). The Wii version would probably have slightly better textures but nothing more. Want to know why? The Wii would have to run the game at a higher resolution (for widescreen) and also support 480p output. Both of these stress the GPU further thus negating any little extra horsepower the Wii offers over the Xbox.
The Wii version won't be pretty and will most likely have framerate problems much like the Xbox version, and overall just wouldn't be worth playing unless you wanted to play the game with the Wii-mote. Valve is better off making a new game on the Wii rather then porting a game that would get lackluster results due to dated hardware.
Hoffgod
Hm... so much to reply to. But then again, how much is worth replying to? Frankly, not that much. You lace your arguments with unsupported assumptions, and when you do get more specific (such as the Wii's GPU) you veer off into inaccuracies (the Wii's GPU supports shaders, but they're fixed shaders as opposed to the shaders on the Xbox, meaning they're trickier to use by by no means less capable). I could go more in depth, but then we'd be rehasing old arguments as you grow more and more beligerent. And that would just be a waste of all of our times. In the meanwhile, on charges of slapdash argumentation and unsupported assumptions, this thread finds you... Thanks for insulting me, that's what people usually refer to when they can't debate back ;) I can see you have no counter argument for just about everything I wrote in my last post, you say it's not worth replying to but I think it's more along the lines is that you really can't. You accuse me of assumptions but the same can be said for you. Many devs have said that the Xbox has a better and more powerful GPU and while the Wii does support shaders it would have to be talior made and done through software. Unless they're assuming too, right?
I have a background in computer programming and have a great deal of knowledge of computer hardware. I have a good idea of what to expect from a Wii version of Half Life 2, and it's not much better then the Xbox version. Of course you'll think otherwise.
I bet it feels good to pretend that you have the superior argument ;) *claps* Bye and better luck next time ;)
Sorry but the water effects and texture work of FAR CRY i blow SMG out of the water.
Sorry but the water effects and texture work of FAR CRY i blow SMG out of the water.
kaangonultas
and I'm not just cherry picking.
These are under GS's screens for farcry.
SMG uses simple textures and lıghtens it out using bright , colourful visuals kaangonultasThe Far Cry textures had no depth to them.
Comapre these textures to that of Far Cry's. SMG's pop out more.
[QUOTE="super_mario_128"]You mean this Xbox version?
If the PC version of HL2 looks bad compared to today, what is that? Ok by Wii's standards? :|
Onto the "where're" thing. Ok, I was owned in a way, but it's pretty much the same as "where are" when spoke and typed (since you use the apostrophe).
Hoffgod
I thought so. Give you enough rope and you'll hang yourself. Yes, that does look worse that the PC version. You're right. It's Half-Life 2 "...without it's beautiful environments..." Hm. Haven't we heard that before? Graphics wise, it would be a poor experience. Where would Half Life 2 be without it's beautiful environments...?super_mario_128Well, you just provided your own answer: Half-Life 2 for the Xbox, a game that got an 8.3 (Great) score here at GS and has a 9.0 GameRankings average, making it a top notch game. Half-Life 2 "...without it's beautiful environments..." is still Half-Life 2. And if the game were put onto the even more powerful Wii, wouldn't it then look even better than the Xbox version, making an already excellent game even better? The only possible answer is yes, yes it would. Congratulations on providing your own defeat. Feel free to take a moment and enjoy your "victory".
Oh wow. Considering the game out 4 years ago I'm not surprised the reviewer gave it a "great" score with those graphics. Now port the game to Wii with slightly enhanced graphics and it won't look so spectacular. Oddly enough, something you seemed to avoid was the fact that HL2 on PC still has great graphics and physics and could hold it's own against Gears of War, easily. Perhaps if Wii could perform graphics to the PC versions level, I'd give up and lick your foot. Thankfully for me that isn't going to happen, now or ever.
Nice one though, grasping at straws there; trying to make me appear stupid with those pathetic last remarks.
Sorry but the water effects and texture work of FAR CRY i blow SMG out of the water.
kaangonultas
Well even Super Mario Sunshine has fantastic water and water effects.
[QUOTE="kaangonultas"]
Sorry but the water effects and texture work of FAR CRY i blow SMG out of the water.
Shinobishyguy
and I'm not just cherry picking.
These are under GS's screens for farcry.
You are cherry picking. Picking out the worse screens available for FC but best for SMG . You 're so clever.
Its hard for me to imagine Nintendo doing a 1st party shooter thats not Metroid or link's crossbow training. At the same time, I doubt they are prohibiting 3rd party developers from making FPS games. Blame the developers.Senor_Kami
seriously, why people act as if nintendo never made a first person shooter before? if nintendo actually made a sequal to this with a bigger and better buget, you could actually get a way better experience out of this game using the wiimote.
[QUOTE="Shinobishyguy"][QUOTE="kaangonultas"]
Sorry but the water effects and texture work of FAR CRY i blow SMG out of the water.
kaangonultas
and I'm not just cherry picking.
These are under GS's screens for farcry.
You are cherry picking. Picking out the worse screens available for FC but best for SMG . You 're so clever. whatever helps you sleep at night :roll:
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