will RTS and MMORPG's ever be popular on Consoles?

MMORPG's will be the next big thing on consoles. I would actually be surprised if MS or Sony dont make a 1st party attempt at one within the next generation. There is simply too much money to be made (take WoW for example). Again they wont be on consoles in the same form as they are on PC but people really need to get over that they have to be. alextherussian

DC universe is Sony's and it's coming out next year.

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[QUOTE="GeneralShowzer"] Halo Wars is pathetic for PC standards.GeneralShowzer

I realize you are just trying to troll, but at least make a somewhat acceptable answer to understand what is going on.

What do I mean by this? We are talking about the RTS and MMO on consoles. You are talking about all games on PC. See where we I'm going with this?

Well in all fairness a more accurate statement would be Halo Wars is pathetic for console standards.

I mean it isn't that awful a game but it is to complex RTS's what Fable 2 is to complex open world RPGs. There are good RTS's on the consoles and there is little excuse why more couldn't be ported over.

The only reason that RTS has not made a complete transition to consoles is the fact that, excluding Starcraft, the RTS genre caters to a relatively small group of gamers. Most console gamers are not these gamers.

The only reason that RTS has not made a complete transition to consoles is the fact that, excluding Starcraft, the RTS genre caters to a relatively small group of gamers. Most console gamers are not these gamers.

MagicMan4597

"intelligent gamers" is what you are trying to say, I believe..

The only reason that RTS has not made a complete transition to consoles is the fact that, excluding Starcraft, the RTS genre caters to a relatively small group of gamers. Most console gamers are not these gamers.

MagicMan4597

the 2 biggest RTS games belong to a PC exclusive dev, thats why

so unless Microsoft/Sony can kill Starcraft/Warcraft 3 i doubt RTS will ever be big on consoles with the whole RTS install base stuck to PC

same with MMORPGS, Sony/Microsoft will have to kill WoW

i wonder what would have happened if Valve stayed PC exclusive...

unless they ad kb/m support it'll never grow very popular on consoles. I could see a very dumbed down version working on consoles, but the point of having a console is jumping straight into the action with games like rpgs and fps games.

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The only reason that RTS has not made a complete transition to consoles is the fact that, excluding Starcraft, the RTS genre caters to a relatively small group of gamers. Most console gamers are not these gamers.

HaloinventedFPS

the 2 biggest RTS games belong to a PC exclusive dev, thats why

so unless Microsoft/Sony can kill Starcraft/Warcraft 3 i doubt RTS will ever be big on consoles with the whole RTS install base stuck to PC

same with MMORPGS, Sony/Microsoft will have to kill WoW

i wonder what would have happened if Valve stayed PC exclusive...

Sony has a very successful MMO department (SOE), that brought about the first major MMO (Ever "crack").

They have the department, and don't need to beat WoW to be successful.

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[QUOTE="MagicMan4597"]

The only reason that RTS has not made a complete transition to consoles is the fact that, excluding Starcraft, the RTS genre caters to a relatively small group of gamers. Most console gamers are not these gamers.

dercoo

the 2 biggest RTS games belong to a PC exclusive dev, thats why

so unless Microsoft/Sony can kill Starcraft/Warcraft 3 i doubt RTS will ever be big on consoles with the whole RTS install base stuck to PC

same with MMORPGS, Sony/Microsoft will have to kill WoW

i wonder what would have happened if Valve stayed PC exclusive...

Sony has a very successful MMO department (SOE), that brought about the first major MMO (Ever "crack").

They have the department, and don't need to beat WoW to be successful.

SOE makes games for PC

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[QUOTE="HaloinventedFPS"]

the 2 biggest RTS games belong to a PC exclusive dev, thats why

so unless Microsoft/Sony can kill Starcraft/Warcraft 3 i doubt RTS will ever be big on consoles with the whole RTS install base stuck to PC

same with MMORPGS, Sony/Microsoft will have to kill WoW

i wonder what would have happened if Valve stayed PC exclusive...

HaloinventedFPS

Sony has a very successful MMO department (SOE), that brought about the first major MMO (Ever "crack").

They have the department, and don't need to beat WoW to be successful.

SOE makes games for PC

1.DC universe will be released in a few months for PC + PS3.

2. They stated all future MMOs would be on PC + console (ps3)

[QUOTE="HaloinventedFPS"]

[QUOTE="dercoo"]

Sony has a very successful MMO department (SOE), that brought about the first major MMO (Ever "crack").

They have the department, and don't need to beat WoW to be successful.

dercoo

SOE makes games for PC

1.DC universe will be released in a few months for PC + PS3.

2. They stated all future MMOs would be on PC + console (ps3)

Yes MMO's and RTS can work on consoles we get that, i said will they ever be popular on consoles? for now they are not

Here's your problem.

mattuk69

LOL! I think they will become more popular, but as with FPS games, they will still be better and there will be more of them, on the PC.

[QUOTE="alextherussian"]

MMORPG's will be the next big thing on consoles. I would actually be surprised if MS or Sony dont make a 1st party attempt at one within the next generation. There is simply too much money to be made (take WoW for example). Again they wont be on consoles in the same form as they are on PC but people really need to get over that they have to be. Espada12

DC universe is Sony's and it's coming out next year.

[QUOTE="dercoo"]

[QUOTE="HaloinventedFPS"]

SOE makes games for PC

HaloinventedFPS

1.DC universe will be released in a few months for PC + PS3.

2. They stated all future MMOs would be on PC + console (ps3)

Yes MMO's and RTS can work on consoles we get that, i said will they ever be popular on consoles? for now they are not

The only real difficulty console MMOs face in terms of pay to play plans (which are foreign to console gamers).

Free or cheap MMOs can easily grow in popularity. Look at "Home", its been successful for Sony. (its like an MMO)

[QUOTE="lowe0"]I don't think anyone would accuse chess of lacking complexity, and it could be adequately controlled on a handheld using just a d pad and one button.Vandalvideo

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[QUOTE="MagicMan4597"]

The only reason that RTS has not made a complete transition to consoles is the fact that, excluding Starcraft, the RTS genre caters to a relatively small group of gamers. Most console gamers are not these gamers.

dercoo

the 2 biggest RTS games belong to a PC exclusive dev, thats why

so unless Microsoft/Sony can kill Starcraft/Warcraft 3 i doubt RTS will ever be big on consoles with the whole RTS install base stuck to PC

same with MMORPGS, Sony/Microsoft will have to kill WoW

i wonder what would have happened if Valve stayed PC exclusive...

Sony has a very successful MMO department (SOE), that brought about the first major MMO (Ever "crack").

They have the department, and don't need to beat WoW to be successful.

lol, are you kidding? SOE hasnt had a good MMO release in pretty much forever.

And I seriously doubt DC Universe will change that.

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[QUOTE="HaloinventedFPS"]

the 2 biggest RTS games belong to a PC exclusive dev, thats why

so unless Microsoft/Sony can kill Starcraft/Warcraft 3 i doubt RTS will ever be big on consoles with the whole RTS install base stuck to PC

same with MMORPGS, Sony/Microsoft will have to kill WoW

i wonder what would have happened if Valve stayed PC exclusive...

cobrax55

Sony has a very successful MMO department (SOE), that brought about the first major MMO (Ever "crack").

They have the department, and don't need to beat WoW to be successful.

lol, are you kidding? SOE hasnt had a good MMO release in pretty much forever.

And I seriously doubt DC Universe will change that.

Free realms launched recently to great success for a FTP.

DC Universe has some of the highest preorders of any game right now, and has lots of positie feedback from both PC and console betas.

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[QUOTE="dercoo"]

Sony has a very successful MMO department (SOE), that brought about the first major MMO (Ever "crack").

They have the department, and don't need to beat WoW to be successful.

dercoo

lol, are you kidding? SOE hasnt had a good MMO release in pretty much forever.

And I seriously doubt DC Universe will change that.

Free realms launched recently to great success for a FTP.

DC Universe has some of the highest preorders of any game right now, and has lots of positie feedback from both PC and console betas.

Free realms is a FTP MMO aimed at the extreamly casual audience, its for a very different crowd then what SOE normally does. SOE's MMO's have pretty much bombed all the way back to everquest 2. I thinking you are fooling yourself if you think that DC Universe is going to be a AAA MMO. The Hype for it, especially among the MMO crowd, is pretty minimal. The game is being released between numerous high profile MMO's, and I doubt the game will actually be anything more then a semi-entertaining side project for MMO players.

I'm hoping GUILD WARS 2 goes to the PS3....that's would be great.Unnatural101

[QUOTE="Unnatural101"]I'm hoping GUILD WARS 2 goes to the PS3....that's would be great.AdrianWerner

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[QUOTE="Unnatural101"]I'm hoping GUILD WARS 2 goes to the PS3....that's would be great.Unnatural101

I hope SW TOR goes PS3 bound, even though bioware seems infuriated at the concept. (Still EA wants > bioware)

I won't be getting a PC good enough to play it.

I hope SW TOR goes PS3 bound, even though bioware seems infuriated at the concept. (Still EA wants > bioware)

I won't be getting a PC good enough to play it.

dercoo

Once consoles get some decent controls I guess.

when the spend the time to devolp one and allow people to use a mouse and keyboard or controller yes.

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I hope SW TOR goes PS3 bound, even though bioware seems infuriated at the concept. (Still EA wants > bioware)

I won't be getting a PC good enough to play it.

Unnatural101

Since you obviously work at EA or BioWare, could you tell me how you're gonna play an MMO with a controller?

when the spend the time to devolp one and allow people to use a mouse and keyboard or controller yes.

dalscowboys22

Since you obviously work at EA or BioWare, could you tell me how you're gonna play an MMO with a controller?coreybg

The official state of TOR on consoles as of now:

BioWare: No The Old Republic for consoles!

Just because EA gave Sony some DLC doesn't mean they'll gladly port over one of their most expensive projects ever.

The official state of TOR on consoles as of now:

BioWare: No The Old Republic for consoles!

Just because EA gave Sony some DLC doesn't mean they'll gladly port over one of their most expensive projects ever.

waltefmoney

[QUOTE="GodofEmpires"][QUOTE="R3FURBISHED"]The RTS has a future on consoles, if developers can take the time to craft a good game ala Halo Wars.R3FURBISHED

Either Move or Kinect (is that the name of Msofts motion system, i forget) can allow the player to have a freedom with RTS that has never been experienced before. But as we both have stated, you need a developer who is willing to spend the time to create such an experience.

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The official state of TOR on consoles as of now:

BioWare: No The Old Republic for consoles!

Just because EA gave Sony some DLC doesn't mean they'll gladly port over one of their most expensive projects ever.

Unnatural101

Fair enough, so you can expect to hear info about TOR on consoles a year after the game is released.. if it survives that long. As of now - the game is NOT coming to consoles.

[QUOTE="waltefmoney"]

The official state of TOR on consoles as of now:

BioWare: No The Old Republic for consoles!

Just because EA gave Sony some DLC doesn't mean they'll gladly port over one of their most expensive projects ever.

Unnatural101

More RAM is needed, though. RTS's, especially today, can be very hungry especially when you get a high unit count. But for an RTS to work, you can't rely on the PC RTS formula--it's micromanagement motif relies too much on the PC's preferred devices. You'd need a different scheme altogether--a way to alter the S part of the RTS so that, perhaps, you can't micromanage, can only give orders in broad, or have delays in being able to see movements or having commands carried out (I say this because these could add more realistic elements to an RTS which may be a good way to take RTS's in new directions, but the audience has to want it first).HuusAsking

[QUOTE="HuusAsking"]More RAM is needed, though. RTS's, especially today, can be very hungry especially when you get a high unit count. But for an RTS to work, you can't rely on the PC RTS formula--it's micromanagement motif relies too much on the PC's preferred devices. You'd need a different scheme altogether--a way to alter the S part of the RTS so that, perhaps, you can't micromanage, can only give orders in broad, or have delays in being able to see movements or having commands carried out (I say this because these could add more realistic elements to an RTS which may be a good way to take RTS's in new directions, but the audience has to want it first).Unnatural101

But even EA knows that MMOs are a real hit-or-miss affair on consoles. Two Phantasy Star MMOs have come and gone. FF11's a shadow of its former self, and 14's a big question mark along with DC Online. Taking TOR to the PS3 will depend a lot on what happens here, and I would think EA is canny enough to make sure it'll take before diving in.HuusAsking

[QUOTE="HuusAsking"]But even EA knows that MMOs are a real hit-or-miss affair on consoles. Two Phantasy Star MMOs have come and gone. FF11's a shadow of its former self, and 14's a big question mark along with DC Online. Taking TOR to the PS3 will depend a lot on what happens here, and I would think EA is canny enough to make sure it'll take before diving in.Unnatural101

Where did EA's network infrastructure come from? An MMO's network infrastructure is a lot different from that used for other types of games because they have to run persistent content. It's like comparing Home's infrastructure to PSN's. Plus MMOs take dedication to play properly (look at the real-life incidents relating to MMO players going too far). Do you really see console gamers having the dedication to play an MMO long enough to make it worthwhile? Perhaps FF14 and DC Online will provide some much-needed measuring sticks.HuusAsking

Mark my words.

If this

Or this:

Someday arrive as MMORPG's on consoles and it's done well, then it will work.

[QUOTE="Unnatural101"][QUOTE="waltefmoney"]

The official state of TOR on consoles as of now:

BioWare: No The Old Republic for consoles!

Just because EA gave Sony some DLC doesn't mean they'll gladly port over one of their most expensive projects ever.

waltefmoney

Fair enough, so you can expect to hear info about TOR on consoles a year after the game is released.. if it survives that long. As of now - the game is NOT coming to consoles.

[QUOTE="waltefmoney"]

The official state of TOR on consoles as of now:

BioWare: No The Old Republic for consoles!

Just because EA gave Sony some DLC doesn't mean they'll gladly port over one of their most expensive projects ever.

Unnatural101

Unfortunately TOR is created with PC in mind as opposed to SOE doing it with Ps3 in mind. So the gameplay won't translate very well so it's highly unlikely.

Unfortunately TOR is created with PC in mind as opposed to SOE doing it with Ps3 in mind. So the gameplay won't translate very well so it's highly unlikely.Espada12

TOR is going to flop, ive heard its just another Wow clone

i wish more MMO's try to be more original, only Runescape is doing original things atm, Runescape has great quests, instead of just killing 10 boars

[QUOTE="Espada12"]Unfortunately TOR is created with PC in mind as opposed to SOE doing it with Ps3 in mind. So the gameplay won't translate very well so it's highly unlikely.Unnatural101

That MMO doesnt even resemble any Western PC MMO, nor TOR. I really have no idea why you keep posting that? Have you ever actualy played an MMO Before? or does it contend you just to post random crap that has nothing to do with the discussion at hand.

TOR isnt coming to consoles, get over it.

That MMO doesnt even resemble any Western PC MMO, nor TOR. I really have no idea why you keep posting that? Have you ever actualy played an MMO Before? or does it contend you just to post random crap that has nothing to do with the discussion at hand. TOR isnt coming to consoles, get over it.cobrax55

[QUOTE="cobrax55"]That MMO doesnt even resemble any Western PC MMO, nor TOR. I really have no idea why you keep posting that? Have you ever actualy played an MMO Before? or does it contend you just to post random crap that has nothing to do with the discussion at hand. TOR isnt coming to consoles, get over it.Unnatural101

The fact that its not a Western MMO matterns, in terms of interface design. Interfaces for Western MMO's are very button heavy, going well beyond what console controllers can handle.

And again, you have absolutly no evidence of TOR going to consoles. I dont know why you bring up mass effect 2 as some sort of example as though it actually matters. Mass effect was already on consoles, not to mention in a totally different genre then what we are talking about.

But to your question, cobrax55, I keep showing this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0mfE9lnDGQA Because I know alot of people didn't even know this existed, and I like to educate the masses... and #2, because it shows a frame of reference of an MMORPG that once was on PC only for years, and then "suddenly" appeared on the PS3. Proof, if you will. So obviously, if this game can be done on the consoles, specifically the PS3, then it isn't a stretch for other MMORPG's to be done either.Unnatural101

This game has nothing in common with western MMO's. Not to mention that its a Japenese game, and the market over their is very different then it is here. It wasnt even released in the US for the PS3.

your not even talking about similar situations.

But to your question, cobrax55, I keep showing this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0mfE9lnDGQA Because I know alot of people didn't even know this existed, and I like to educate the masses... and #2, because it shows a frame of reference of an MMORPG that once was on PC only for years, and then "suddenly" appeared on the PS3. Proof, if you will. So obviously, if this game can be done on the consoles, specifically the PS3, then it isn't a stretch for other MMORPG's to be done either. Edit.....Also the reason I sited Mass Effect 2 and the reason it matters is because it shows that Bioware LIED. So when they say TOR won't appear, we have a recent enough example that tells us they are not to be trusted when questioned about platform choice(es). Knowing is half the battle. :)Unnatural101

Bioware didnt lie, they said what they did knowing what they did at that time.

Mass Effect 2 was already on consoles, its not like it was a PC game designed for a different interface and for a genre that pretty much doesnt exist on consoles.

I dont know why you keep saying all of this like its of some sort of importance.

Bioware didnt lie, they said what they did knowing what they did at that time. Mass Effect 2 was already on consoles, its not like it was a PC game designed for a different interface and for a genre that pretty much doesnt exist on consoles. I dont know why you keep saying all of this like its of some sort of importance.cobrax55