Will SSBB be able to compete with GTAIV?

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#1 the-very-best
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A major reason last gen GC lost is because GTA was not on the console. Same scenario this time around except for the fact that Wii is targeting a different market than the GC was....non gamers.

Do you think the public will do what they did last gen and ignore Nintendo because they don't have the latest GTA?

Will this...



...be able to compete with this...



What do you think?


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I think cheese on toast is great.
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#3 nyoroism
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Super Smash Bros. doesn't have the publicity that GTA does. GTA will sell more consoles. Question is, why should they have to compete? They're two totally different games.
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#4 Marka1700
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Both Smash bros and GTA as million copy + sellers. I dont think that is changing anytime soon.
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#5 rykaziel
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No. SSBB is not the system seller that GTA and Halo are.
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#6 FoamingPanda
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Super Smash Bros. doesn't have the publicity that GTA does. GTA will sell more consoles. Question is, why should they have to compete? They're two totally different games.nyoroism

Well said.  I personally think both games provide equally flawed gameplay (although in dramatically different ways).  That being said, why are we forcing these games to compete?  They're targeted at completely different audiences.

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#7 JimmyT2
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Super Mario Galaxy is going to be the big one for Nintendo this year. The Wii is reaching people who may have stopped gaming a long while ago and the games everyone will remember are Mario platformers.
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#8 Blackbond
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No. SSBB is not the system seller that GTA and Halo are.rykaziel


So then why does everyone who has a GC have SSBM? Sure it doesn't sell as much as GTA but you saying its not a system seller is ridiculous.
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#9 SkateGame
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The American gaming market is really dumb (no offense) since they see a game where you can beat up hookers or shoot the same aliens with two guns at the same time now and say "Hey, I think violence is great!" Now, SSBB is a beat-em-up game, but it is so much less violent than the other two. It's more arcade like and will probably advance the series with more features, more characters, online, new ways to play, new modes, etc. No, it won't be able to compete as well cause America likes to beat up hookers and shoot up aliens and their trash-talking friends. The rest of the world, well, I don't know what they like to play...
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#10 redban2
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Their both going to sell a lot. But San Adreas, I believe, has the record for most copies sold in the US. Why would the new GTA be any different. If anything, it's going to sell more. Since it's multi-platform and all.. No way will Smash Bros. sell anywhere close to GTA
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#11 poopinloop32
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If SSBB outsales GTA4 and Halo 3 I will leave gamespot immediatly
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#12 StealthSting
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No. SSBB is not the system seller that GTA and Halo are.rykaziel
Is not a system seller? Then you're over exaggerating on the halo part................
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#13 nyoroism
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If SSBB outsales GTA4 and Halo 3 I will leave gamespot immediatlypoopinloop32
Even though that's something I'd expect you to say, it's true.
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#14 project343
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Both franchises are for gamers (casuals and hardcore alike); Super Smash Bros. Brawl is being dropped into a pool of non-gamers, and it doesn't have floaties... the opposite can be said for GTAIV. Both will be fantastic games, but the sales will be in favor of manslaughter.
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#15 redban2
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If SSBB outsales GTA4 and Halo 3 I will leave gamespot immediatlypoopinloop32
Why?...........it's just one game selling more than another. Is it that serious?
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is this a joke?
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#17 xXHackettXx
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I think cheese on toast is great.pokajabba
Good idea, think I might get some right now...
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#18 rykaziel
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[QUOTE="rykaziel"]No. SSBB is not the system seller that GTA and Halo are.Blackbond


So then why does everyone who has a GC have SSBM? Sure it doesn't sell as much as GTA but you saying its not a system seller is ridiculous.

I should have clarified that while SSBB does indeed motivate people to get the console, it doesn't move the same volume of systems that GTA and Halo will. It's still a system seller, but not on GTA's level.
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#19 SmashBrosLegend
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I think it will. Nearly 1/2 of all Gamecube owners owned melee. This game is getting far more hype, and the Wii is on pace to pass the Gamecube in sales as early as next year. With the positive media attention the Wii is getting and the addition of online play, I would be willing to bet that this game outsells every game this generations with the exception of Pokemon. If melee was sold that well on a last place console, I can't help but wonder what it does on Wii.
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#20 RAZZY_B
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LOL

GTA4 blows SSBB outta the water, in a popularity contest.

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#21 coltonnaslund
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I LOVE violent videogames.....

but I played the GTA that was supposed to be amazing on PS2.....and the game was so stupid......it was like a BAD "TRUE CRIMES"........guarenteed Brawl will sell more copies

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I think it will. Nearly 1/2 of all Gamecube owners owned melee. This game is getting far more hype, and the Wii is on pace to pass the Gamecube in sales as early as next year. With the positive media attention the Wii is getting and the addition of online play, I would be willing to bet that this game outsells every game this generations with the exception of Pokemon. If melee was sold that well on a last place console, I can't help but wonder what it does on Wii.SmashBrosLegend
Objection!SSBB only sold 6.5 million which is like a 3/7 ratio
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#23 RAZZY_B
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If SSBB outsales GTA4 and Halo 3 I will leave gamespot immediatlypoopinloop32

lol dude, whats with you these days.

Do you really wanna leave GS, or wait.....do you NOT wanna leave?

:? 

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One thing people will have to start thinking differently this generation, is the market share situation. You just can't possibly know what will happen and how it will affect these titles. Also, you're talking about a multiplatform game in comparison with an exclusive one.
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The American gaming market is really dumb (no offense) since they see a game where you can beat up hookers or shoot the same aliens with two guns at the same time now and say "Hey, I think violence is great!" Now, SSBB is a beat-em-up game, but it is so much less violent than the other two. It's more arcade like and will probably advance the series with more features, more characters, online, new ways to play, new modes, etc. No, it won't be able to compete as well cause America likes to beat up hookers and shoot up aliens and their trash-talking friends. The rest of the world, well, I don't know what they like to play...

Sarcasm On:  Nice excessive generalization.  I would consider accusing the Japanese of idoly worshipping marketing icons who shove cutesy -- pointless -- forms of linear gameplay down there throats, but, thankfully, I realize that such a generalization would be somewhat rude and inaccurate.

Just as many younger gamers drool at the sight of their favorite marketing icons pointlessly bashing in each others heads during a giant all-out marketing spree.  Both games are terrible for different reasons; keep this in mind.

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[QUOTE="SmashBrosLegend"]I think it will. Nearly 1/2 of all Gamecube owners owned melee. This game is getting far more hype, and the Wii is on pace to pass the Gamecube in sales as early as next year. With the positive media attention the Wii is getting and the addition of online play, I would be willing to bet that this game outsells every game this generations with the exception of Pokemon. If melee was sold that well on a last place console, I can't help but wonder what it does on Wii.poopinloop32
Objection!SSBB only sold 6.5 million which is like a 3/7 ratio

That would be a little bit over 1/4.
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#27 SkateGame
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[QUOTE="SmashBrosLegend"]I think it will. Nearly 1/2 of all Gamecube owners owned melee. This game is getting far more hype, and the Wii is on pace to pass the Gamecube in sales as early as next year. With the positive media attention the Wii is getting and the addition of online play, I would be willing to bet that this game outsells every game this generations with the exception of Pokemon. If melee was sold that well on a last place console, I can't help but wonder what it does on Wii.poopinloop32
Objection!SSBB only sold 6.5 million which is like a 3/7 ratio

Funny how he used the word "nearly".... It's best if you read what someone says well instead of scanning it... Then again, that's what the internet society has promoted with all those LOL type crap....
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#28 Master_Hermes
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Melee sold 6-7 million copies on the GameCube, the last gen console with the smallest user base and was very close to Halo 2's eight million sale tally. So, yes, SSBB will compete with both Halo 3 and GTA IV this year.
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[QUOTE="SmashBrosLegend"]I think it will. Nearly 1/2 of all Gamecube owners owned melee. This game is getting far more hype, and the Wii is on pace to pass the Gamecube in sales as early as next year. With the positive media attention the Wii is getting and the addition of online play, I would be willing to bet that this game outsells every game this generations with the exception of Pokemon. If melee was sold that well on a last place console, I can't help but wonder what it does on Wii.poopinloop32
Objection!SSBB only sold 6.5 million which is like a 3/7 ratio

OK, I accept that. But 3/7 is still nearly 1/2. Notice I used the qualifier "nearly".
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The American gaming market is really dumb (no offense) since they see a game where you can beat up hookers or shoot the same aliens with two guns at the same time now and say "Hey, I think violence is great!" Now, SSBB is a beat-em-up game, but it is so much less violent than the other two. It's more arcade like and will probably advance the series with more features, more characters, online, new ways to play, new modes, etc. No, it won't be able to compete as well cause America likes to beat up hookers and shoot up aliens and their trash-talking friends. The rest of the world, well, I don't know what they like to play... FoamingPanda

Sarcasm On: Nice excessive generalization. I would consider accusing the Japanese of idoly worshipping marketing icons who shove cutesy -- pointless -- forms of linear gameplay down there throats, but, thankfully, I realize that such a generalization would be somewhat rude and inaccurate.

Just as many younger gamers drool at the sight of their favorite marketing icons pointlessly bashing in each others heads during a giant all-out marketing spree. Both games are terrible for different reasons; keep this in mind.

Were you really being sarcastic? Or were you just disagreeing? Anyway, you have to face it, the gaming industry is shoving down gamer's throats more depictions of reality (GTA is like being a crim-type dude in down town cities) and violence when there's still games that are simple, fun, and ORIGINAL. People say GTA created the sandbox gameplay idea when The Legend of Zelda started it in 1986 (I think). That's what I was meaning, games like GTA and Halo are franchises that I see that simply give us the same gameplay and different circumstances. That is an opinion so don't flip out and get all nerdy on me or something...
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#31 poopinloop32
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[QUOTE="poopinloop32"][QUOTE="SmashBrosLegend"]I think it will. Nearly 1/2 of all Gamecube owners owned melee. This game is getting far more hype, and the Wii is on pace to pass the Gamecube in sales as early as next year. With the positive media attention the Wii is getting and the addition of online play, I would be willing to bet that this game outsells every game this generations with the exception of Pokemon. If melee was sold that well on a last place console, I can't help but wonder what it does on Wii.SmashBrosLegend
Objection!SSBB only sold 6.5 million which is like a 3/7 ratio

OK, I accept that. But 3/7 is still nearly 1/2. Notice I used the qualifier "nearly".

42% is way off of 50%..anyways
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[QUOTE="FoamingPanda"]

The American gaming market is really dumb (no offense) since they see a game where you can beat up hookers or shoot the same aliens with two guns at the same time now and say "Hey, I think violence is great!" Now, SSBB is a beat-em-up game, but it is so much less violent than the other two. It's more arcade like and will probably advance the series with more features, more characters, online, new ways to play, new modes, etc. No, it won't be able to compete as well cause America likes to beat up hookers and shoot up aliens and their trash-talking friends. The rest of the world, well, I don't know what they like to play... SkateGame

Sarcasm On: Nice excessive generalization. I would consider accusing the Japanese of idoly worshipping marketing icons who shove cutesy -- pointless -- forms of linear gameplay down there throats, but, thankfully, I realize that such a generalization would be somewhat rude and inaccurate.

Just as many younger gamers drool at the sight of their favorite marketing icons pointlessly bashing in each others heads during a giant all-out marketing spree. Both games are terrible for different reasons; keep this in mind.

Were you really being sarcastic? Or were you just disagreeing? Anyway, you have to face it, the gaming industry is shoving down gamer's throats more depictions of reality (GTA is like being a crim-type dude in down town cities) and violence when there's still games that are simple, fun, and ORIGINAL. People say GTA created the sandbox gameplay idea when The Legend of Zelda started it in 1986 (I think). That's what I was meaning, games like GTA and Halo are franchises that I see that simply give us the same gameplay and different circumstances. That is an opinion so don't flip out and get all nerdy on me or something...

I wouldn't say created the sandbox gameplay. But Zelda II was the first video game in wich you hitched a ride with a girl, in orther to gain life.......... Zelda II was definitely ahead of its time in that sense:P(Yup that was stupid as hell, yet true) .
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#33 jg4xchamp
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i say brawl can compete. it was a big seller on the cube. 42%of the owners had it. according to poopinloop. thats big for one game, even if it is the last place console. that and this is the big game for the wii this year. the question is will it compete well with halo, i say no
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[QUOTE="SmashBrosLegend"][QUOTE="poopinloop32"][QUOTE="SmashBrosLegend"]I think it will. Nearly 1/2 of all Gamecube owners owned melee. This game is getting far more hype, and the Wii is on pace to pass the Gamecube in sales as early as next year. With the positive media attention the Wii is getting and the addition of online play, I would be willing to bet that this game outsells every game this generations with the exception of Pokemon. If melee was sold that well on a last place console, I can't help but wonder what it does on Wii.poopinloop32
Objection!SSBB only sold 6.5 million which is like a 3/7 ratio

OK, I accept that. But 3/7 is still nearly 1/2. Notice I used the qualifier "nearly".

42% is way off of 50%..anyways



I love it when you bicker about the minor things. Anyways GTA4 is on two systems as opposed to SSBB is on one system. So by sales no it shouldn't be able to compete.
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I think it will. Nearly 1/2 of all Gamecube owners owned melee. This game is getting far more hype, and the Wii is on pace to pass the Gamecube in sales as early as next year. With the positive media attention the Wii is getting and the addition of online play, I would be willing to bet that this game outsells every game this generations with the exception of Pokemon. If melee was sold that well on a last place console, I can't help but wonder what it does on Wii.SmashBrosLegend


Yeah, good point.

To everyone that replied, I didn't actually ask which game would sell more. I asked if SSBB would be able to compete with GTAIV. To do that it wouldn't necessarily have to sell more, it would just have to maintain steady, strong sales in the face of the biggest series to ever land on consoles, GTA.

With that in mind, I think SSBB will be able to compete strongly with GTAIV but in the end when SSBB sales slow down at around 6-8 million (my guess) GTA will continue on to get about 14-15 million overall.

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#36 Blackbond
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[QUOTE="SmashBrosLegend"]I think it will. Nearly 1/2 of all Gamecube owners owned melee. This game is getting far more hype, and the Wii is on pace to pass the Gamecube in sales as early as next year. With the positive media attention the Wii is getting and the addition of online play, I would be willing to bet that this game outsells every game this generations with the exception of Pokemon. If melee was sold that well on a last place console, I can't help but wonder what it does on Wii.the-very-best


Yeah, good point.

To everyone that replied, I didn't actually ask which game would sell more. I asked if SSBB would be able to compete with GTAIV. To do that it wouldn't necessarily have to sell more, it would just have to maintain steady, strong sales in the face of the biggest series to ever land on consoles, GTA.

With that in mind, I think SSBB will be able to compete strongly with GTAIV but in the end when SSBB sales slow down at around 6-8 million (my guess) GTA will continue on to get about 14-15 million overall.



Well when you put it that way then you just ended your own thread :P
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[QUOTE="SmashBrosLegend"]I think it will. Nearly 1/2 of all Gamecube owners owned melee. This game is getting far more hype, and the Wii is on pace to pass the Gamecube in sales as early as next year. With the positive media attention the Wii is getting and the addition of online play, I would be willing to bet that this game outsells every game this generations with the exception of Pokemon. If melee was sold that well on a last place console, I can't help but wonder what it does on Wii.the-very-best


Yeah, good point.

To everyone that replied, I didn't actually ask which game would sell more. I asked if SSBB would be able to compete with GTAIV. To do that it wouldn't necessarily have to sell more, it would just have to maintain steady, strong sales in the face of the biggest series to ever land on consoles, GTA.

With that in mind, I think SSBB will be able to compete strongly with GTAIV but in the end when SSBB sales slow down at around 6-8 million (my guess) GTA will continue on to get about 14-15 million overall.

Well yeah GTA is on two systems so SSBB will obviously slow down first. This isn't really a fair comparison when you think about it.

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#38 the-very-best
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Well when you put it that way then you just ended your own thread :P
Blackbond


lol, it's just my opinion of course.

Some may think that GTA is stuck in a rut so sales could drop...some may think that the non gaming market that Wii is targeted too may not buy into SSBB.

Many things can happen...
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#39 yuna707
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On the GC it sold 7 million. Higher attach rate than Halo CE less than Halo 2. 2nd highest attach rate last gen. Owned.
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#40 Shinobishyguy
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It'll be able to compete...but I have a feeling GTA will out sell it in the long run.
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#41 curono
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I think cheese on toast is great.pokajabba

Have you tried honey on it??:)

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Super Smash Bros. Brawl isn't exactly the casual pleaser that Grand Theft Auto is.  So, basically no.  In fact, pretty much no other game this year can compete with GTA, so it pretty much goes without saying.
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#43 HeedleGlavin
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Well, they'll both easily be million sellers - GTAIV will probably come out on top.
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I think cheese on toast is great.pokajabba
absolutely
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I think cheese on toast is great.pokajabba

I don't know about you, but I think butter on toast is better imo. lol

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#46 JiveT
Member since 2005 • 8619 Posts
SSBB was sold as a pack in game with the Cube in some places. Maybe it was just Costco. Anyway that sort of gives it an unfair sales advantage.
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#47 bc1391
Member since 2004 • 11906 Posts
GTAIV will sell more but I will be playing SSBB alot more :wink:.
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#48 JB730
Member since 2004 • 3375 Posts
GTA certainly wasn't the deciding factor in the handheld war between DS and PSP

i know i know, we are talking consoles, not handhelds

but the approach nintendo is taking with the Wii is identical to it's approach with the DS - so i think its worth mentioning

the Wii's intended audience doesn't seem to be the typical GTA-loving gamer - just like the DS' core audience

so, although GTA would help the Wii out quite a bit, i don't think it will mean that much in the long run
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#49 Kikouken
Member since 2006 • 15913 Posts
What the hell. None of these games are even close to being out yet, wtf.
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#50 goblaa
Member since 2006 • 19304 Posts
The real question is, can this


compete with this?