Will Starcraft 2 bring the eSports scene mainstream in the West?

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#1 HoldThePhone
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Competitive gaming is tremendously popular as an underground gaming scene. I call it underground because most gamers don't know about it, follow it, or care about it. Even people who label themselves "hardcore" couldn't tell you the name of one famous Counter-Strike clan or a famous korean Starcraft player.

Now lately the most popular eSports in the world are still games like Starcraft and Counter-Strike (which is sad, despite how awesome those games are). New games have been focusing more on cool feature and flashy effects over simple and balanced gameplay (making them fun games for everyone, but not good picks for the next big competitve phenomenon).

South Korea has fully accepted eSports into their culture, with the game of Starcraft leading the way as an extremely popular specator sport there. Before you laugh at the idea of this, think about what makes a spectator sport -- spectators. Contrary to popular belief, a sport only becomes such when there are people willing to watch it. Shooting a ball into a bucket sounds awfuly dumb,but people watched it, more rules were added, and the game became an interesting and intense sight to see.

That's what happened in Korea. Two nerds playing a computer game intense? Ha! But when people realized just how hard this game was, just how much speed and mental ability was required to play it, it became a hit, the players became celebrities, and huge tournaments are being held as we speak.

So Starcraft proved that videogames can serve as an entertaining sport in Korea, but with SC2's improved visuals and the staggering popularity of the orginal, do you think we will ever see more attention to eSports in the west?

I saw a T.V show about a pro madden players touring on a bus, and getting elimated as they went along. It was a terrible show, so why can't we have a channel reserved for real eSports?

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Dear god I hope not. I've lost enough faith in humanity from watching 5 minutes of Halo 3 MLG coverage.

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Dear god I hope not. I've lost enough faith in humanity from watching 5 minutes of Halo 3 MLG coverage.

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How open-minded.
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#4 Catpee
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Nope.

Baseball, football, and basketball are the sports that the vast vast majority of fathers push on their kids (with good reason too). That is certainly not going to change any time soon.

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#5 GreenGoblin2099
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Gaming =/= Sports.
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#6 HoldThePhone
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Gaming =/= Sports.GreenGoblin2099
It's an eSport.
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#7 Catpee
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[QUOTE="GreenGoblin2099"]Gaming =/= Sports.HoldThePhone
It's an eSport.

No, it really isn't.

And if you notice, there are many cultural differences between the US and Korea. We are a sports driven country. We have like 8 different ESPNs, kids play dozens of different sports, college sports are HUGE in this country, pro sports are HUGE in this country. Sports are with us through every age in our life, and I personally like it that way.

Videogames are not sports. There is nothing active about playing Starcraft on a PC. Seriously, we have enough fat people in this country without pushing for this to replace soccer for our little kids.

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[QUOTE="HoldThePhone"][QUOTE="GreenGoblin2099"]Gaming =/= Sports.Catpee

It's an eSport.

No, it really isn't.

And if you notice, there are many cultural differences between the US and Korea. We are a sports driven country. We have like 8 different ESPNs, kids play dozens of different sports, college sports are HUGE in this country, pro sports are HUGE in this country. Sports are with us through every age in our life, and I personally like it that way.

Videogames are not sports. There is nothing active about playing Starcraft on a PC. Seriously, we have enough fat people in this country without pushing for this to replace soccer for our little kids.

ironiclly Korea is a far healthier country physiclly than we are...than again, I guess that applies to every country in the world too.
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#9 PBSnipes
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[QUOTE="PBSnipes"]

Dear god I hope not. I've lost enough faith in humanity from watching 5 minutes of Halo 3 MLG coverage.

HoldThePhone
How open-minded.

I'm not open-minded because I don't like it?
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#10 Catpee
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[QUOTE="Catpee"]

[QUOTE="HoldThePhone"] It's an eSport.cobrax75

No, it really isn't.

And if you notice, there are many cultural differences between the US and Korea. We are a sports driven country. We have like 8 different ESPNs, kids play dozens of different sports, college sports are HUGE in this country, pro sports are HUGE in this country. Sports are with us through every age in our life, and I personally like it that way.

Videogames are not sports. There is nothing active about playing Starcraft on a PC. Seriously, we have enough fat people in this country without pushing for this to replace soccer for our little kids.

ironiclly Korea is a far healthier country physiclly than we are...than again, I guess that applies to every country in the world too.

I know, which is why we don't need "sports" where the only activity we are doing is clicking a mouse button and shifting in our seat when our leg falls asleep.

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Sorry I find it more exciting to watch a big hit in football then a supernerd in front of a pc.
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[QUOTE="HoldThePhone"][QUOTE="GreenGoblin2099"]Gaming =/= Sports.Catpee

It's an eSport.

No, it really isn't.

And if you notice, there are many cultural differences between the US and Korea. We are a sports driven country. We have like 8 different ESPNs, kids play dozens of different sports, college sports are HUGE in this country, pro sports are HUGE in this country. Sports are with us through every age in our life, and I personally like it that way.

Videogames are not sports. There is nothing active about playing Starcraft on a PC. Seriously, we have enough fat people in this country without pushing for this to replace soccer for our little kids.

'e' is for electronic, sorry you didn't know. Of course videogames aren't in the same league as athlethic sports, that's why they make the distinction, and i find it funny how this bothers you.

SOME videogames qualify as eSports. As I said in the opening post, if the game requires great skill and is entertaining to watch, it can become just as popular as an athletic sport.

So I'd like to leave the argument at that, and I think you would agree with me on what I wrote if you would be more rational and remember that I am not putting Starcraft in the same league as football. But if you'd like me to respond to the rest of your post -- i will:

You arguably burn just as many calories in a match of Starcraft than you do in driving a race car (NASCAR is a sport). Both involve sitting down and twitching your hands, how enduring!

Oh and most pro Starcraft players are immensely more healthy than your average professional baseball player. these points have nothing to do with my argument, but i just thought id let you know that. And if you have kids or to plan to have kids, depending on sports to magically keep them fit is a sure-fire way to increase their chances of heart disease. Teach them not to eat garbage and hit the gym, and they can very will sit on their ass all day.

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Well... It would be more entertaining than poker.
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e sports is already big in the west in canada there is a lugue already
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[QUOTE="Catpee"]

[QUOTE="HoldThePhone"] It's an eSport.HoldThePhone

No, it really isn't.

And if you notice, there are many cultural differences between the US and Korea. We are a sports driven country. We have like 8 different ESPNs, kids play dozens of different sports, college sports are HUGE in this country, pro sports are HUGE in this country. Sports are with us through every age in our life, and I personally like it that way.

Videogames are not sports. There is nothing active about playing Starcraft on a PC. Seriously, we have enough fat people in this country without pushing for this to replace soccer for our little kids.

'e' is for electronic, sorry you didn't know. Of course videogames aren't in the same league as athlethic sports, that's why they make the distinction, and i find it funny how this bothers you. SOME videogames qualify as eSports. As I said in the opening post, if the game requires great skill and is entertaining to watch, it can become just as popular as an athletic sport. So I'd like to leave the argument at that, and I think you would agree with me on what I wrote if you would be more rational and remember that I am not putting Starcraft in the same league as football. But if you'd like me to respond to the rest of your post -- i will: You arguably burn just as many calories in a match of Starcraft than you do in driving a race car (NASCAR is a sport). Both involve sitting down and twitching your hands, how enduring! Oh and most pro Starcraft players are immensely more healthy than your average professional baseball player. these points have nothing to do with my argument, but i just thought id let you know

Sorry but not even Sports Games are Sports... not now nor ever.

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[QUOTE="HoldThePhone"][QUOTE="Catpee"]

No, it really isn't.

And if you notice, there are many cultural differences between the US and Korea. We are a sports driven country. We have like 8 different ESPNs, kids play dozens of different sports, college sports are HUGE in this country, pro sports are HUGE in this country. Sports are with us through every age in our life, and I personally like it that way.

Videogames are not sports. There is nothing active about playing Starcraft on a PC. Seriously, we have enough fat people in this country without pushing for this to replace soccer for our little kids.

GreenGoblin2099

'e' is for electronic, sorry you didn't know. Of course videogames aren't in the same league as athlethic sports, that's why they make the distinction, and i find it funny how this bothers you. SOME videogames qualify as eSports. As I said in the opening post, if the game requires great skill and is entertaining to watch, it can become just as popular as an athletic sport. So I'd like to leave the argument at that, and I think you would agree with me on what I wrote if you would be more rational and remember that I am not putting Starcraft in the same league as football. But if you'd like me to respond to the rest of your post -- i will: You arguably burn just as many calories in a match of Starcraft than you do in driving a race car (NASCAR is a sport). Both involve sitting down and twitching your hands, how enduring! Oh and most pro Starcraft players are immensely more healthy than your average professional baseball player. these points have nothing to do with my argument, but i just thought id let you know

Sorry but not even Sports Games are Sports... not now nor ever.

But they already are, so I just proved you wrong didn't i?
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e sports is already big in the west in canada there is a lugue alreadyblackdreamhunk

its almost non-exsistant compared to what its likely in the rest of the world...especially Asia, and even Europe.

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watching other people play video games is like watching chess. Dull as hell.
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But they already are, so I just proved you wrong didn't i?HoldThePhone

Nope, you haven't.

Sports: athletic games or tests of skill undertaken primarily for the diversion of those who take part or those who observe them. The range is great; usually, however, the term is restricted to any play, pastime, exercise, game, or contest performed under given rules, indoors or outdoors, on an individual or a team basis, with or without competition, but requiring skill and some form of physical exertion.

Just because people calls them "sports" doesn't mean they are. People likes to invent too many terms nowadays.

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No. Nothing will. And hope nothing ever does because it makes gamers look like complete idiots.
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watching other people play video games is like watching chess. Dull as hell.heretrix
For you, not for everyone. Watching hockey is the most boring thing on T.V. See what I just did?
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#22 Catpee
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[QUOTE="Catpee"]

[QUOTE="HoldThePhone"] It's an eSport.HoldThePhone

No, it really isn't.

And if you notice, there are many cultural differences between the US and Korea. We are a sports driven country. We have like 8 different ESPNs, kids play dozens of different sports, college sports are HUGE in this country, pro sports are HUGE in this country. Sports are with us through every age in our life, and I personally like it that way.

Videogames are not sports. There is nothing active about playing Starcraft on a PC. Seriously, we have enough fat people in this country without pushing for this to replace soccer for our little kids.

'e' is for electronic, sorry you didn't know. Of course videogames aren't in the same league as athlethic sports, that's why they make the distinction, and i find it funny how this bothers you. SOME videogames qualify as eSports. As I said in the opening post, if the game requires great skill and is entertaining to watch, it can become just as popular as an athletic sport. So I'd like to leave the argument at that, and I think you would agree with me on what I wrote if you would be more rational and remember that I am not putting Starcraft in the same league as football. But if you'd like me to respond to the rest of your post -- i will: You arguably burn just as many calories in a match of Starcraft than you do in driving a race car (NASCAR is a sport). Both involve sitting down and twitching your hands, how enduring! Oh and most pro Starcraft players are immensely more healthy than your average professional baseball player. these points have nothing to do with my argument, but i just thought id let you know

First off, you have no idea what you are talking about. I don't even watch NASCAR, but I can tell you, with their hybrid power steering systems and ~200 speeds for 70 or more laps, I can tell you your arms would feel like jello and nothing like the stiffness you would feel after a 12 hour sesson of Starcraft.

Most pro starcraft players are more healthy than average professional baseball player? Link? Cause that sounds like BS to me.

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[QUOTE="Catpee"]

[QUOTE="HoldThePhone"] It's an eSport.HoldThePhone

No, it really isn't.

And if you notice, there are many cultural differences between the US and Korea. We are a sports driven country. We have like 8 different ESPNs, kids play dozens of different sports, college sports are HUGE in this country, pro sports are HUGE in this country. Sports are with us through every age in our life, and I personally like it that way.

Videogames are not sports. There is nothing active about playing Starcraft on a PC. Seriously, we have enough fat people in this country without pushing for this to replace soccer for our little kids.

'e' is for electronic, sorry you didn't know. Of course videogames aren't in the same league as athlethic sports, that's why they make the distinction, and i find it funny how this bothers you.

SOME videogames qualify as eSports. As I said in the opening post, if the game requires great skill and is entertaining to watch, it can become just as popular as an athletic sport.

So I'd like to leave the argument at that, and I think you would agree with me on what I wrote if you would be more rational and remember that I am not putting Starcraft in the same league as football. But if you'd like me to respond to the rest of your post -- i will:

You arguably burn just as many calories in a match of Starcraft than you do in driving a race car (NASCAR is a sport). Both involve sitting down and twitching your hands, how enduring!

Oh and most pro Starcraft players are immensely more healthy than your average professional baseball player. these points have nothing to do with my argument, but i just thought id let you know that. And if you have kids or to plan to have kids, depending on sports to magically keep them fit is a sure-fire way to increase their chances of heart disease. Teach them not to eat garbage and hit the gym, and they can very will sit on their ass all day.

You burn way, way, more calories in nascar than you do playing SC.

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[QUOTE="heretrix"]watching other people play video games is like watching chess. Dull as hell.HoldThePhone
For you, not for everyone. Watching hockey is the most boring thing on T.V. See what I just did?

Yeah, it's called failing.

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[QUOTE="HoldThePhone"][QUOTE="Catpee"]

No, it really isn't.

And if you notice, there are many cultural differences between the US and Korea. We are a sports driven country. We have like 8 different ESPNs, kids play dozens of different sports, college sports are HUGE in this country, pro sports are HUGE in this country. Sports are with us through every age in our life, and I personally like it that way.

Videogames are not sports. There is nothing active about playing Starcraft on a PC. Seriously, we have enough fat people in this country without pushing for this to replace soccer for our little kids.

Catpee

'e' is for electronic, sorry you didn't know. Of course videogames aren't in the same league as athlethic sports, that's why they make the distinction, and i find it funny how this bothers you. SOME videogames qualify as eSports. As I said in the opening post, if the game requires great skill and is entertaining to watch, it can become just as popular as an athletic sport. So I'd like to leave the argument at that, and I think you would agree with me on what I wrote if you would be more rational and remember that I am not putting Starcraft in the same league as football. But if you'd like me to respond to the rest of your post -- i will: You arguably burn just as many calories in a match of Starcraft than you do in driving a race car (NASCAR is a sport). Both involve sitting down and twitching your hands, how enduring! Oh and most pro Starcraft players are immensely more healthy than your average professional baseball player. these points have nothing to do with my argument, but i just thought id let you know

First off, you have no idea what you are talking about. I don't even watch NASCAR, but I can tell you, with their hybrid power steering systems and ~200 speeds for 70 or more laps, I can tell you your arms would feel like jello and nothing like the stiffness you would feel after a 12 hour sesson of Starcraft.

Most pro starcraft players are more healthy than average professional baseball player? Link? Cause that sounds like BS to me.

Who needs a link when you can just watch a game. Pro Starcraft players are required to hit the gym and remain lean and healthy, while baseball players can very well do what they want as long as they have power behind their swing. I'm actually a big fan of the Cubs, and I watch baseball a lot. Do you know how valuable a player is who can actually run half decently? and not pull a hamstring on the way to first base? ballclubs pay big money for those players, because most players are big guys who are really good at swinging the bat.

why is this so surprising to you? baseball is constantly ridiculed because of how out of shape the players are. that doesn't mean they cant do short sprints in the outfield and make amazing plays, they are pros afterall. in football, for a lot of positions it's actually considered a good thing if you're overweight. there's nothing wrong with it, it's just your argument is flawed. and yes im sure a long nascar race is indeed tiring, but from the athletic sense you seem to be talking from, NASCAR is impressive because of skill, not the muscle in their arms.

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[QUOTE="heretrix"]watching other people play video games is like watching chess. Dull as hell.HoldThePhone
For you, not for everyone. Watching hockey is the most boring thing on T.V. See what I just did?

Yes, Esports is not boring....to Koreans, great. But I don't see how relevent that is to the US. If there was a large market for Esports, it would be on TV here, but outside of Madden Nation, it is nonexistant. We just don't like it. It's like Euros talking about soccer here, telling us how great it is....great, but we don't like it so we don't care.

If anything, the less than warm responses you are getting in this thread should answer your thread title, and the answer is "No".

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[QUOTE="HoldThePhone"][QUOTE="heretrix"]watching other people play video games is like watching chess. Dull as hell.heretrix

For you, not for everyone. Watching hockey is the most boring thing on T.V. See what I just did?

Yeah, it's called failing.

Nice comeback, it's clear who won this argument...
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[QUOTE="heretrix"]

[QUOTE="HoldThePhone"] For you, not for everyone. Watching hockey is the most boring thing on T.V. See what I just did?HoldThePhone

Yeah, it's called failing.

Nice comeback, it's clear who won this argument...

Me.
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[QUOTE="HoldThePhone"][QUOTE="heretrix"]watching other people play video games is like watching chess. Dull as hell.Catpee

For you, not for everyone. Watching hockey is the most boring thing on T.V. See what I just did?

Yes, Esports is not boring....to Koreans, great. But I don't see how relevent that is to the US. If there was a large market for Esports, it would be on TV here, but outside of Madden Nation, it is nonexistant. We just don't like it. It's like Euros talking about soccer here, telling us how great it is....great, but we don't like it so we don't care.

If anything, the less than warm responses you are getting in this thread should answer your thread title, and the answer is "No".

Over 20,000 people from the west watched last weeks starcraft tourny match in Korea from their homes. Why? Because they hired a great American commentator and people can now watch a SC game and know what's going on.

here's a link

http://www.gomtv.net/classics2/vod/540

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[QUOTE="heretrix"]watching other people play video games is like watching chess. Dull as hell.HoldThePhone
For you, not for everyone. Watching hockey is the most boring thing on T.V. See what I just did?

The difference is that hockey is a successful spectator sport, both in terms of ticket sales and TV viewers. Despite being one of the worst run leagues in the world, the NHL still pulls in millions of viewers. Show me how "eSports" either is or could become a compelling spectator sport.

As for your "Starcraft players are as healthy/healthier than baseball players/race car drivers", all you've proven is you clearly don't know anything about sports. There is a significant physical aspect to racing (due to the harsh ride of the car, dehydration and g-forces), and even the most "out-of-shape" ball player is still in much better shape than the average person.

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I guess Adilius Thomas would be considered overweight for a dude 6'2" at 270, but he runs 4.53 40. Make no mistake about it, as out of shape as some of these guys make look to your untrained eye, these are some of the most athletic dudes in the world....period. FAR moreso than some skinny nerd computer gamer.

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[QUOTE="HoldThePhone"][QUOTE="heretrix"]watching other people play video games is like watching chess. Dull as hell.Catpee

For you, not for everyone. Watching hockey is the most boring thing on T.V. See what I just did?

Yes, Esports is not boring....to Koreans, great. But I don't see how relevent that is to the US. If there was a large market for Esports, it would be on TV here, but outside of Madden Nation, it is nonexistant. We just don't like it. It's like Euros talking about soccer here, telling us how great it is....great, but we don't like it so we don't care.

If anything, the less than warm responses you are getting in this thread should answer your thread title, and the answer is "No".

the answer is indeed probably no, i just thought it would make an interesting discussion
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How would you ever get enough people to watch it to be worth it? And the same people who would watch are the same people who would want to watch it online for free.
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#34 HoldThePhone
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I guess Adilius Thomas would be considered overweight for a dude 6'2" at 270, but he runs 4.53 40. Make no mistake about it, as out of shape as some of these guys make look to your untrained eye, these are some of the most athletic dudes in the world....period. FAR moreso than some skinny nerd computer gamer.

Catpee
athletic doesn't mean healthy 0_o, Urlacher ran nearly a whole field for a touchdown -- they had to put him on oxygen support on the sidelines afterwords.
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#35 HoldThePhone
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How would you ever get enough people to watch it to be worth it? And the same people who would watch are the same people who would want to watch it online for free.supercubedude64
the only reason they have that website is so that people in the West can watch Starcraft with english announcers. they make money based on how many hits they get. apparently it's enough, as it is growing.
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#36 Catpee
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[QUOTE="Catpee"]

[QUOTE="HoldThePhone"] For you, not for everyone. Watching hockey is the most boring thing on T.V. See what I just did?HoldThePhone

Yes, Esports is not boring....to Koreans, great. But I don't see how relevent that is to the US. If there was a large market for Esports, it would be on TV here, but outside of Madden Nation, it is nonexistant. We just don't like it. It's like Euros talking about soccer here, telling us how great it is....great, but we don't like it so we don't care.

If anything, the less than warm responses you are getting in this thread should answer your thread title, and the answer is "No".

Over 20,000 people from the west watched last weeks starcraft tourny match in Korea from their homes. Why? Because they hired a great American commentator and people can now watch a SC game and know what's going on.

here's a link

http://www.gomtv.net/classics2/vod/540

Wow, 20k "from the west". How many countries is "the west"? A lot. 20k won't even fill up one fourth of the seats at the Colosseum at USC.

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#37 HoldThePhone
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[QUOTE="HoldThePhone"][QUOTE="Catpee"]

Yes, Esports is not boring....to Koreans, great. But I don't see how relevent that is to the US. If there was a large market for Esports, it would be on TV here, but outside of Madden Nation, it is nonexistant. We just don't like it. It's like Euros talking about soccer here, telling us how great it is....great, but we don't like it so we don't care.

If anything, the less than warm responses you are getting in this thread should answer your thread title, and the answer is "No".

Catpee

Over 20,000 people from the west watched last weeks starcraft tourny match in Korea from their homes. Why? Because they hired a great American commentator and people can now watch a SC game and know what's going on.

here's a link

http://www.gomtv.net/classics2/vod/540

Wow, 20k "from the west". How many countries is "the west"? A lot. 20k won't even fill up one fourth of the seats at the Colosseum at USC.

yes but it would fill about half the stadium of wrigley field, and that's a mighty step forward for something so underground. and lets not count the thousands in the live audience in korea.
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#38 Catpee
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[QUOTE="Catpee"]

I guess Adilius Thomas would be considered overweight for a dude 6'2" at 270, but he runs 4.53 40. Make no mistake about it, as out of shape as some of these guys make look to your untrained eye, these are some of the most athletic dudes in the world....period. FAR moreso than some skinny nerd computer gamer.

HoldThePhone

athletic doesn't mean healthy 0_o, Urlacher ran nearly a whole field for a touchdown -- they had to put him on oxygen support on the sidelines afterwords.

Urlacher is healthier than every starcraft player, guaranteed. If you would put full pads on a pro starcraft player, have him run 100 yards in cleats in 20 degree weather, they would have to take them off the field on a stretcher.

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#39 mo0ksi
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I waste enough time playing video games, so why would I want to waste my time watching somebody else play video games? So to answer your question; I don't know and don't care.
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The concept of "eSports" is ridiculous.

Excercize.

Videogame is not athletic.

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#41 Catpee
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I mean seriously, do you think this kid could survive the Baltimore Ravens training camp?

LMAO, get serious. The 50 yard incrimental sprints alone would kill him, nevermind carrying backpacks full of bricks on long runs.

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#42 HoldThePhone
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[QUOTE="HoldThePhone"][QUOTE="Catpee"]

I guess Adilius Thomas would be considered overweight for a dude 6'2" at 270, but he runs 4.53 40. Make no mistake about it, as out of shape as some of these guys make look to your untrained eye, these are some of the most athletic dudes in the world....period. FAR moreso than some skinny nerd computer gamer.

Catpee

athletic doesn't mean healthy 0_o, Urlacher ran nearly a whole field for a touchdown -- they had to put him on oxygen support on the sidelines afterwords.

Urlacher is healthier than every starcraft player, guaranteed. If you would put full pads on a pro starcraft player, have him run 100 yards in cleats in 20 degree weather, they would have to take them off the field on a stretcher.

no doubt about that.

i still dont agree that being a big guy that can take hits means your body is healthy. Micheal Phelps would be torn to pieces in the NFL, but I'd say he's one of the healthiest people out there.

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#43 II_Seraphim_II
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e-sports....I cant wait till we have the "e-sports" jocks :lol:
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#44 HoldThePhone
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I mean seriously, do you think this kid could survive the Baltimore Ravens training camp?

LMAO, get serious. The 50 yard incrimental sprints alone would kill him, nevermind carrying backpacks full of bricks on long runs.

Catpee
Why would ever put a SC player in a NFL training camp? My god are you serious!? They would die!
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e-sports....I cant wait till we have the "e-sports" jocks :lol:II_Seraphim_II
Ew. As if public perception of "gamers" wasn't poor enough.
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#46 mo0ksi
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I mean seriously, do you think this kid could survive the Baltimore Ravens training camp?

LMAO, get serious. The 50 yard incrimental sprints alone would kill him, nevermind carrying backpacks full of bricks on long runs.

Catpee
What are you talking about dude? That guy is shredded!
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#47 Pinkyimp
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The concept of "eSports" is ridiculous.

Excercize.

Videogame is not athletic.

hakanakumono

There is no eSports.

Only Professional gaming, people get this crap mixed up all the time. Games can be played professionaly, hell, playing games probably take more mind skill then Football/Basketball does any day, ESP RTS's but its not a sport, its a professional HOBBY, but who cares?, as long as there happy at what they do, we cant argue.

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I hope not...IMO even the term "eSport" shouldnt be used to describe it. Its a video game whatever way you try to spin it. Video game tournaments? Fair enough, but dont try to pass off a video game as a sporting activity.
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#49 nintendofreak_2
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Competitive gaming is tremendously popular as an underground gaming scene. I call it underground because most gamers don't know about it, follow it, or care about it. Even people who label themselves "hardcore" couldn't tell you the name of one famous Counter-Strike clan or a famous korean Starcraft player.

HoldThePhone

It really depends on what game you're 'hardcore' in doesn't it? If I say the name Marriland, some people here wouldn't have any response and some people just crapped themselves. Just a little note. :P

Anyway, I doubt Starcraft 2 will, because PC gaming isn't exactly mainstream.

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#50 HoldThePhone
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[QUOTE="hakanakumono"]

The concept of "eSports" is ridiculous.

Excercize.

Videogame is not athletic.

Pinkyimp
There is no eSports. Only Professional sports, people get this crap mixed up all the time. Games can be played professionaly, hell, playing games probably take more mind skill then Football/Basketball does any day, ESP RTS's but its not a sport, its a professional HOBBY, but who cares?, as long as there happy at what they do, we cant argue.

I just dont see the big deal in saying eSport. It clearly means electronic competitive gaming.