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I'd compare the PS3 more with the Gamecube than the Dreamcast, personally.
Or better yet, the original Xbox.
I'd compare the PS3 more with the Gamecube than the Dreamcast, personally. Silent-HalOr atleast the Saturn (They were both hard to develop for, they both have great games, and They both came after the publishers most successful Console.
If the next Playstation doesn't do well then the Playstation 4 would be the Dreamcast.)
The last sentences is Hypothetical because the Dreamcast was discontinued because of the SEGA Saturn not doing as well as it should've and SEGA couldn't afford to keep the Dreamcast going.
No. Because it would mean Sony giving up on hardware forever and only focusing on software, and i don't see that happening. Also,third-parties would have to start dropping support, whichI don't see happening either. All we've heard on that front so far is Activision blowing a bunch of smoke. Most everyone else seems to be making money with them.
We'd probably be having a different conversation if the 360 was more durable or the Wii had more power under the hood. But because the other two blew it in those categories, it left left enough market share for Sony's over-priced wonder to grab a foothold and it should survive to next generation.
But couldn't the loss of face alone be enough to kill it off? Couldn't Sony decide that keeping a console division is too harmful for their company and decide to nix it? It seems that Sega's history is repeating itself here. Plus, if the 360 drops it price and/or Wii HD comes out and/or Apple enters the console business, wouldn't those straws break Sony's back (bad metaphor)?dereknippl-eSega never bet nintendo. Sony has beaten rivals with the origanal playstation and playstation 2
Well its currently at where the xbox and gamecube were at at the end of last gen... I am actually surprised about people still being concerned about the ps3 even though its at 24 million. I thought most of that would have died after about 20 mil, but that is clearly not the case (looking at activision).
The difference between the PS3 and Dreamcast is no one would fondly rememeber the PS3 if it died off.
But couldn't the loss of face alone be enough to kill it off? Couldn't Sony decide that keeping a console division is too harmful for their company and decide to nix it? It seems that Sega's history is repeating itself here. Plus, if the 360 drops it price and/or Wii HD comes out and/or Apple enters the console business, wouldn't those straws break Sony's back (bad metaphor)?dereknippl-eSony is more likely to kill off other branches of their company. Though the gaming division has lost a lot of money, its not losing nearly as much as say their Phones, etc.
[QUOTE="dereknippl-e"]But couldn't the loss of face alone be enough to kill it off? Couldn't Sony decide that keeping a console division is too harmful for their company and decide to nix it? It seems that Sega's history is repeating itself here. Plus, if the 360 drops it price and/or Wii HD comes out and/or Apple enters the console business, wouldn't those straws break Sony's back (bad metaphor)?irish4evaSega never bet nintendo. Sony has beaten rivals with the origanal playstation and playstation 2Closest SEGA has gotten was 2nd Place with the Genesis and that was only a 10 Million difference because SNES I think had 49.10 Million units worldwide, Genesis/Mega Drive was 29 Million units Worldwide. I thought it was closer because instead of the 10 Million difference I thought it was 20 Million difference.
Master System they only had 10% of the Market Share while Nintendo had 80+% because Also Atari had some Market share just not as much as SEGA.
nah, sony will be back eventually...all we can hope is that the lesson learned for next gen is deliver on hype don't just keep generating more to cover up how you couldn't deliver
Library-wise, I'd say it's more like the Gamecube.I'd compare the PS3 more with the Gamecube than the Dreamcast, personally.
Or better yet, the original Xbox.
Silent-Hal
"Will the X360 go the way of the Dreamcast?"
See, I could make a topic like that and it'd be just as true.
Yes, yes it will. I have already purchased another brand new ps3 and kept it in its box. When it dies and people are remareking what an awesoem system ps3 was, and that they wish it hadn't died, and gets a cult following looking for new or used ps3's I will place the mint in box ps3 on ebay and make a killing!
hmm, maybe i should stock up on more ps3's.....
[QUOTE="dereknippl-e"]But couldn't the loss of face alone be enough to kill it off? Couldn't Sony decide that keeping a console division is too harmful for their company and decide to nix it? It seems that Sega's history is repeating itself here. Plus, if the 360 drops it price and/or Wii HD comes out and/or Apple enters the console business, wouldn't those straws break Sony's back (bad metaphor)?blackeneddeathSony is more likely to kill off other branches of their company. Though the gaming division has lost a lot of money, its not losing nearly as much as say their Phones, etc. I dunno where you live,but sony ericson phone are mega popular over here lol
Or atleast the Saturn (They were both hard to develop for, they both have great games, and They both came after the publishers most successful Console.[QUOTE="Silent-Hal"]I'd compare the PS3 more with the Gamecube than the Dreamcast, personally. Nintendo_Ownes7
If the next Playstation doesn't do well then the Playstation 4 would be the Dreamcast.)
The last sentences is Hypothetical because the Dreamcast was discontinued because of the SEGA Saturn not doing as well as it should've and SEGA couldn't afford to keep the Dreamcast going.
Well really, the Dreamcast put Sega in roughly the same position as the Saturn where the console was successful in one market and not the other. So SONY's next console would have to fail in NA, Japan, or Europe.
[QUOTE="Silent-Hal"]
I'd compare the PS3 more with the Gamecube than the Dreamcast, personally.
Or better yet, the original Xbox.
blank33
Yeah, I agree. I don't think it will outsell Xbox or Nintendo, but it won't become irrelevant.
Well it already tied with the xbox (23 million sold) and it will also outsell the Gamecube soon. This generation is not over yet and PS3 will make it to 30 million no doubt. It can stay last place but it already is better than the Gamecube and Xbox 1 in terms of games.Doesn't it seem inevitable? The way Sony's been mismanaging everything, plus the fact that they're bleeding money from all divisions, their poor reputation as arrogant elitists and the behemoth sales of the Wii60...maybe it's the pessimist in me but I just don't see a future for the PS3, and I definitely don't see a PS4 in the future.
Doesn't it seem inevitable? The way Sony's been mismanaging everything, plus the fact that they're bleeding money from all divisions, their poor reputation as arrogant elitists and the behemoth sales of the Wii60...maybe it's the pessimist in me but I just don't see a future for the PS3, and I definitely don't see a PS4 in the future.
dereknippl-e
Well that sounds exactly like the story of the first x-box and yet they made a 360.
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Doesn't it seem inevitable? The way Sony's been mismanaging everything, plus the fact that they're bleeding money from all divisions, their poor reputation as arrogant elitists and the behemoth sales of the Wii60...maybe it's the pessimist in me but I just don't see a future for the PS3, and I definitely don't see a PS4 in the future.
Tyrant156
Well that sounds exactly like the story of the first x-box and yet they made a 360.
I don't think the first XBox fell on its face nearly as bad as the PS3 has. And Microsoft didn't get a financial amputation because of it.
Okay, I've been asking too many vague questions for too long, so I just want to get to the bottom line. Do you think the PS3 will go the way of the Dreamcast? Clearly, it's not doing so well and the only reasons anyone has to hope for improvement are just rumors and a few leaked photographs. Sony execs constantly stress that they will NOT cut the price and Sony continues to lose $40+ per console sold. So, taking all of this into account and assuming that nothing changes (no price cut, no BC, no slim, etc.), will the PS3 eventually suffer the same fate that the Dreamcast did? Furthermore, I've heard a lot of people comparing Sony to Sega recently, so do you think the PS3 is Sony's last console? dereknippl-e
It's not even comparable, and the super cheap and affordable DreamCast couldn't even sell 5 million units to sustain it's own life, a goal SEGA was trying to meet worldwide.
The overpriced PS3 has sold over 23+ Million units. Bad, bad comparison.
So, the answer is obviously NO.
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[QUOTE="dereknippl-e"]
Doesn't it seem inevitable? The way Sony's been mismanaging everything, plus the fact that they're bleeding money from all divisions, their poor reputation as arrogant elitists and the behemoth sales of the Wii60...maybe it's the pessimist in me but I just don't see a future for the PS3, and I definitely don't see a PS4 in the future.
dereknippl-e
Well that sounds exactly like the story of the first x-box and yet they made a 360.
I don't think the first XBox fell on its face nearly as bad as the PS3 has. And Microsoft didn't get a financial amputation because of it.
Wrong, after FOUR YEARS, the XBOX only sold about 24-25 Million consoles.
The PS3, which is only TWO YEARS OLD, has sold roughly that amount already. Failed Comparison.
SALES WISE, the PS3 IS NOT LIKE THE XBOX, GAMECUBE, or DREAMCAST.
Currently, at the PS3's rate, it will probably end up much like the N64-SNES (In the 35-60 Million range) did...I don't think you realize just how close the PS3 and 360 Sales are.
No, the PS3 is NOT THE PS2 or PSOne, yes, by that Holy Super standard the PS3 failed, HOWEVER the PS3 itself is not a failure at all.
In the past, the Greatest rivalry in consoles was the mighty :
SEGA GENESIS Vs. SUPER NES(SNES).
The 360 Vs. PS3 is far, far closer than that...we are witnessing the greatest console war in history, not to mention the Wii doing even more outstanding.
it wont go the way of the dreamcast, the problem with the dreamcast was that it was too premature, and the PS2 arrived the next year with DVD disks.
[QUOTE="Silent-Hal"]Library-wise, I'd say it's more like the Gamecube. library wise i would say xbox as the ps3 is so shooter heavy. now if it had any games that could be compared to mario, zelda, smash bros, or pikmin then maybe it would be comparable to the game cube. sadly those games have no substitutes and that is what makes nintendo so great.I'd compare the PS3 more with the Gamecube than the Dreamcast, personally.
Or better yet, the original Xbox.
nervmeister
[QUOTE="blank33"][QUOTE="Silent-Hal"]
I'd compare the PS3 more with the Gamecube than the Dreamcast, personally.
Or better yet, the original Xbox.
Deathtactician8
Yeah, I agree. I don't think it will outsell Xbox or Nintendo, but it won't become irrelevant.
it already is better than the Gamecube and Xbox 1 in terms of games. wow! i am sorry your taste in games differs so greatly from my own. unless this is opposite day your view is crazy to me, and if it is opposite day your post was crazy[QUOTE="blank33"][QUOTE="Silent-Hal"]
I'd compare the PS3 more with the Gamecube than the Dreamcast, personally.
Or better yet, the original Xbox.
Deathtactician8
Yeah, I agree. I don't think it will outsell Xbox or Nintendo, but it won't become irrelevant.
Well it already tied with the xbox (23 million sold) and it will also outsell the Gamecube soon. This generation is not over yet and PS3 will make it to 30 million no doubt. It can stay last place but it already is better than the Gamecube and Xbox 1 in terms of games.Actually the GC only sold 21.7 million and the Xbox about 24. Anyway, I think he meant the 360 and Wii.
Okay, I've been asking too many vague questions for too long, so I just want to get to the bottom line. Do you think the PS3 will go the way of the Dreamcast? Clearly, it's not doing so well and the only reasons anyone has to hope for improvement are just rumors and a few leaked photographs. Sony execs constantly stress that they will NOT cut the price and Sony continues to lose $40+ per console sold. So, taking all of this into account and assuming that nothing changes (no price cut, no BC, no slim, etc.), will the PS3 eventually suffer the same fate that the Dreamcast did? Furthermore, I've heard a lot of people comparing Sony to Sega recently, so do you think the PS3 is Sony's last console? dereknippl-eNo way, because Sony isn't in the same situation Sega was in when the Dreamcast fell--it fell because Sega fell, and money trouble was the primary factor in that. I say the PS3 will go at it for the long haul, much like Nintendo's GameCube, but Sony will take (and probably already is taking) a humbling. But Sony has no choice but to keep going to save face and extract whatever revenues it can in preparation for next gen.
No way, because Sony isn't in the same situation Sega was in when the Dreamcast fell--it fell because Sega fell, and money trouble was the primary factor in that. I say the PS3 will go at it for the long haul, much like Nintendo's GameCube, but Sony will take (and probably already is taking) a humbling. But Sony has no choice but to keep going to save face and extract whatever revenues it can in preparation for next gen.I feel it was mostly the anticipation of the PS2. Despite the DC having a great library at that point, people wanted DVD and were roundly impressed by Sonys tech demos.[QUOTE="dereknippl-e"]Okay, I've been asking too many vague questions for too long, so I just want to get to the bottom line. Do you think the PS3 will go the way of the Dreamcast? Clearly, it's not doing so well and the only reasons anyone has to hope for improvement are just rumors and a few leaked photographs. Sony execs constantly stress that they will NOT cut the price and Sony continues to lose $40+ per console sold. So, taking all of this into account and assuming that nothing changes (no price cut, no BC, no slim, etc.), will the PS3 eventually suffer the same fate that the Dreamcast did? Furthermore, I've heard a lot of people comparing Sony to Sega recently, so do you think the PS3 is Sony's last console? HuusAsking
[QUOTE="HuusAsking"]No way, because Sony isn't in the same situation Sega was in when the Dreamcast fell--it fell because Sega fell, and money trouble was the primary factor in that. I say the PS3 will go at it for the long haul, much like Nintendo's GameCube, but Sony will take (and probably already is taking) a humbling. But Sony has no choice but to keep going to save face and extract whatever revenues it can in preparation for next gen.I feel it was mostly the anticipation of the PS2. Despite the DC having a great library at that point, people wanted DVD and were roundly impressed by Sonys tech demos.Then the DoA2 comparisons came up and everyone realized the Dreamcast really had something. What Sega lacked was the financial stamina to keep pushing their advantages (excellent graphics, pioneering online, not too expensive, etc.). I think the first sign of the end was when EA refused to join in. Whether Sony managed to talk them out of it or whatever, that put the writing on the wall. For Sony, perhaps the most telling sign of humble pie in the oven is the sales returns on their supposed blockbusters. Their first-party games are lucky to crack a million, and their top seller (a third party, mind you) is bested by several 360 titles and has only half the numbers of the 360's top seller. When the numbers just don't add up, you know you've got a problem.[QUOTE="dereknippl-e"]Okay, I've been asking too many vague questions for too long, so I just want to get to the bottom line. Do you think the PS3 will go the way of the Dreamcast? Clearly, it's not doing so well and the only reasons anyone has to hope for improvement are just rumors and a few leaked photographs. Sony execs constantly stress that they will NOT cut the price and Sony continues to lose $40+ per console sold. So, taking all of this into account and assuming that nothing changes (no price cut, no BC, no slim, etc.), will the PS3 eventually suffer the same fate that the Dreamcast did? Furthermore, I've heard a lot of people comparing Sony to Sega recently, so do you think the PS3 is Sony's last console? -Pred-Alien-
No way, because Sony isn't in the same situation Sega was in when the Dreamcast fell--it fell because Sega fell, and money trouble was the primary factor in that. I say the PS3 will go at it for the long haul, much like Nintendo's GameCube, but Sony will take (and probably already is taking) a humbling. But Sony has no choice but to keep going to save face and extract whatever revenues it can in preparation for next gen.[QUOTE="dereknippl-e"]Okay, I've been asking too many vague questions for too long, so I just want to get to the bottom line. Do you think the PS3 will go the way of the Dreamcast? Clearly, it's not doing so well and the only reasons anyone has to hope for improvement are just rumors and a few leaked photographs. Sony execs constantly stress that they will NOT cut the price and Sony continues to lose $40+ per console sold. So, taking all of this into account and assuming that nothing changes (no price cut, no BC, no slim, etc.), will the PS3 eventually suffer the same fate that the Dreamcast did? Furthermore, I've heard a lot of people comparing Sony to Sega recently, so do you think the PS3 is Sony's last console? HuusAsking
Can we really expect Sony to take a humbling? I don't think there's any one company in the world with its head farther up its ass than Sony. Is it really reasonable to expect them to actually learn from their mistakes and do things differently next time around? They haven't really made any changes so far, and they show no sign of doing it in the future.
Besides, like I said, after the colossal beating they've taken this gen, do you really think they'll want to go for another gen?
No, it's more like the Gamecube. There are some exclusives that it's owners enjoy, but no one else cares about. Oh, and it's dead last.
No, it's more like the Gamecube. There are some exclusives that it's owners enjoy, but no one else cares about. Oh, and it's dead last.
Renegade_Fury
But the GC did not have 3rd party support.
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No, it's more like the Gamecube. There are some exclusives that it's owners enjoy, but no one else cares about. Oh, and it's dead last.
SW_modified
But the GC did not have 3rd party support.
But it's not a total flop like the DC was either. I guess you could say it's a little like xbox too.Please Log In to post.
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