Will the PS3 go the way of the Dreamcast?

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#51 XanderZane
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That won't happen. That is a rather unlikely outcome. In fact its impossible since its been around longer than the Cast. Why do people think consoles will die?

ActicEdge
Because other consoles have died like Nintend Virtual Boy, Sega Saturn & 32X, Atari Jaguar, Panasonic 3DO, NEC's TurboGraphix and many others. Many consoles have died when they are selling poorly. I don't think the PS3 is going anywhere mainly because it still actually has decent support. Where as most of the other consoles that died didn't really have enough support and were producing a lot of poor games. The Jaguar was a mess. Except for Alien -vs Predator and a couple other titles, it really had NO GOOD GAMES for it. The controller was a horrible device. If anything Sony will eventually release a PS3 slim model, that will not has as many features and will cost $299. I don't see that happening until late next year or in 2011. I still expect Microsoft to launch another Xbox console in 2011-2012. Whether it includes Blu-Ray or some other media format is anyones guess.
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#52 Androvinus
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Its hardly far from its competition. it even has a chance of catching up, not like the gamecube and xbox vs the ps2.
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#53 djsifer01
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A system that will end up #1 in sales by the end of this Gen? I dont think so.
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#54 SW_modified
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A system that will end up #1 in sales by the end of this Gen? I dont think so.djsifer01

We're talking about the PS3. :|

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#55 godzillavskong
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I seriously doubt it.Sony has much more financial power than Sega did, plus Sony has a track record of supporting their consoles as much as they can, except maybe the PSP.I was upset when Sony squeezed Sega out of the console market with its' larger than life PS2, but I would hate to see it happen to another console, sinceeach console offers a different unique experience.

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#56 StealthMonkey4
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No. Just because a system is selling the least one generation after the PS1/PS2 selling extremely well last generations doesn't mean it'll end up like the Dreamcast. Sony is also selling more PS3s yearly than Microsoft is selling 360s, despite PS3 being twice the price (compared to arcade model). Overall I don't think any company's system are going to become the next Dreamcast.
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[QUOTE="HuusAsking"]

[QUOTE="dereknippl-e"]Okay, I've been asking too many vague questions for too long, so I just want to get to the bottom line. Do you think the PS3 will go the way of the Dreamcast? Clearly, it's not doing so well and the only reasons anyone has to hope for improvement are just rumors and a few leaked photographs. Sony execs constantly stress that they will NOT cut the price and Sony continues to lose $40+ per console sold. So, taking all of this into account and assuming that nothing changes (no price cut, no BC, no slim, etc.), will the PS3 eventually suffer the same fate that the Dreamcast did? Furthermore, I've heard a lot of people comparing Sony to Sega recently, so do you think the PS3 is Sony's last console? dereknippl-e

No way, because Sony isn't in the same situation Sega was in when the Dreamcast fell--it fell because Sega fell, and money trouble was the primary factor in that. I say the PS3 will go at it for the long haul, much like Nintendo's GameCube, but Sony will take (and probably already is taking) a humbling. But Sony has no choice but to keep going to save face and extract whatever revenues it can in preparation for next gen.

Can we really expect Sony to take a humbling? I don't think there's any one company in the world with its head farther up its ass than Sony. Is it really reasonable to expect them to actually learn from their mistakes and do things differently next time around? They haven't really made any changes so far, and they show no sign of doing it in the future.

Besides, like I said, after the colossal beating they've taken this gen, do you really think they'll want to go for another gen?

1. Sony already had humbled themselves, and I can't recall any company working harder to bring themselves back to the top.

2. Nintendo was faaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaar more arrogant than Sony back in the day. The extent of Sony's arrogance is expecting people to buy their system like they bought the PS2. Just like they expected it with the PS2, which paid off.

Haven't made any changes? Sony has beefed up their 1st party considerably this gen.

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#58 SolidTy
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Doesn't it seem inevitable? The way Sony's been mismanaging everything, plus the fact that they're bleeding money from all divisions, their poor reputation as arrogant elitists and the behemoth sales of the Wii60...maybe it's the pessimist in me but I just don't see a future for the PS3, and I definitely don't see a PS4 in the future.

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I don't think the first XBox fell on its face nearly as bad as the PS3 has. And Microsoft didn't get a financial amputation because of it.

dereknippl-e

This thread needs to die.I knew this posters game back when he first came to SW a few weeks back, finally he created the thread he always wanted.

Comparisons to the Gamecube of Xbox are flat out...Wrong.

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In FOUR YEARS, the XBOX only sold about 24-25 Million consoles.

The Too Expensive PS3, which is only TWO YEARS OLD, has sold roughly 23+ MILLION Already!

Failed Comparison.

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SALES WISE, the PS3 IS NOT LIKE THE XBOX, GAMECUBE, or DREAMCAST.

Currently, at the PS3's rate, it will probably end up much like the N64-SNES (In the 35-60 Million range) did...I don't think you realize just how close the PS3 and 360 Sales are.

No, the PS3 is NOT THE PS2 or PSOne, yes, by that Holy Super standard the PS3 failed, HOWEVER the PS3 itself is not a failure at all.

In the past, the Greatest rivalry in consoles was the mighty :

SEGA GENESIS Vs. SUPER NES(SNES).

The 360 Vs. PS3 is far, far closer than that...we are witnessing the greatest console war in history, not to mention the Wii doing even more outstanding.

/Thread.

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#59 lvgaming
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Damn, I miss the Dreamcast.. Even with it's lack of DVD, Broadband, and Easy to Pirate.. One the best consoles..

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#60 kingdre
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I really doubt that.

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#61 hakanakumono
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[QUOTE="Renegade_Fury"]

No, it's more like the Gamecube. There are some exclusives that it's owners enjoy, but no one else cares about. Oh, and it's dead last.

SW_modified

But the GC did not have 3rd party support.

It did initially and then it mysteriously went away.

Really, people. The PS3 may have vague similarities to consoles but its isn't a gamecube, a N64, a saturn, a PS1, or a Dreamcast.

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#62 VendettaRed07
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The difference between the PS3 and Dreamcast is no one would fondly rememeber the PS3 if it died off.

sexy_robot_man

yeah dreamcast had a soul, did some crazy innovative things. While i have my ps3 and i like it, i love uncharted metal gear ect. but next gen i doubt im going to miss it, I still miss my dreamcast 8 years later.

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#63 thelastguy
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[QUOTE="dereknippl-e"]

Doesn't it seem inevitable? The way Sony's been mismanaging everything, plus the fact that they're bleeding money from all divisions, their poor reputation as arrogant elitists and the behemoth sales of the Wii60...maybe it's the pessimist in me but I just don't see a future for the PS3, and I definitely don't see a PS4 in the future.

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I don't think the first XBox fell on its face nearly as bad as the PS3 has. And Microsoft didn't get a financial amputation because of it.

SolidTy

This thread needs to die.I knew this posters game back when he first came to SW a few weeks back, finally he created the thread he always wanted.

Comparisons to the Gamecube of Xbox are flat out...Wrong.

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In FOUR YEARS, the XBOX only sold about 24-25 Million consoles.

The Too Expensive PS3, which is only TWO YEARS OLD, has sold roughly 23+ MILLION Already!

Failed Comparison.

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SALES WISE, the PS3 IS NOT LIKE THE XBOX, GAMECUBE, or DREAMCAST.

Currently, at the PS3's rate, it will probably end up much like the N64-SNES (In the 35-60 Million range) did...I don't think you realize just how close the PS3 and 360 Sales are.

No, the PS3 is NOT THE PS2 or PSOne, yes, by that Holy Super standard the PS3 failed, HOWEVER the PS3 itself is not a failure at all.

In the past, the Greatest rivalry in consoles was the mighty :

SEGA GENESIS Vs. SUPER NES(SNES).

The 360 Vs. PS3 is far, far closer than that...we are witnessing the greatest console war in history, not to mention the Wii doing even more outstanding.

/Thread.

Yeah, I agree with everything said

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#64 krylon36
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this gets asked constantly and the obvious answer is no for reasons mentioned previously. how each respective console maker has done this generation makes for some interesting topics, but sony getting out of the console hardware business because of the ps3 isnt one of them.

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Not one bit. It would have already died out by now.

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#66 navyguy21
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IMO, i think its more a collaboration of a couple of consoles (which in itself makes this thread useless) PS3 has : majority first party support - Gamecube "low" attach rate - Xbox Higher priced components - Xbox "lower" Software sales - Xbox/Gamecube Hard to program for - Saturn Greatest games are first party - N64/Gamecube But where this thread REALLY fails is judging PS3 by PS2 sales, because the Wii is the wild card this gen. Wii took the casual market from BOTH Sony and Microsoft. So that in itself will ensure NEITHER console will be as successful as PS2. Sony is losing money because the components in PS3 are top of the line, which drives up costs, and they have quality assembly, which drives up costs. Microsoft uses cheaper parts, and cheaper assembly lines (to keep costs low but risks are higher) Sony also loses money BECAUSE the PS2 was so successful. Sony assumed (as most of us did) that EVERYBODY would buy the PS3. Yea they would lose craploads of money at first, but thats where the software sales would come in. But the economy stunted that idea, and now games dont sell enough (compared to the other 2 and development costs) So the PS3 (on its own) is successful if we recognize that the wii made this gen different, and we really cant compare this gen to any other. PS3 will be fine once sony finds a way to cut cost of components, and reach out to 3rd party devs with better tools. Its to late to get out of 3rd place, but MONEY (profitability) matters to Sony and its stockholders, not fanboys idea of what "winning" is. MS is no different...........they want money.

EDIT - the quotations are because i was refering to numbers in relation to other platforms.

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IMO, i think its more a collaboration of a couple of consoles (which in itself makes this thread useless) PS3 has : majority first party support - Gamecube "low" attach rate - Xbox Higher priced components - Xbox "lower" Software sales - Xbox/Gamecube Hard to program for - Saturn Greatest games are first party - N64/Gamecube But where this thread REALLY fails is judging PS3 by PS2 sales, because the Wii is the wild card this gen. Wii took the casual market from BOTH Sony and Microsoft. So that in itself will ensure NEITHER console will be as successful as PS2. Sony is losing money because the components in PS3 are top of the line, which drives up costs, and they have quality assembly, which drives up costs. Microsoft uses cheaper parts, and cheaper assembly lines (to keep costs low but risks are higher) Sony also loses money BECAUSE the PS2 was so successful. Sony assumed (as most of us did) that EVERYBODY would buy the PS3. Yea they would lose craploads of money at first, but thats where the software sales would come in. But the economy stunted that idea, and now games dont sell enough (compared to the other 2 and development costs) So the PS3 (on its own) is successful if we recognize that the wii made this gen different, and we really cant compare this gen to any other. PS3 will be fine once sony finds a way to cut cost of components, and reach out to 3rd party devs with better tools. Its to late to get out of 3rd place, but MONEY (profitability) matters to Sony and its stockholders, not fanboys idea of what "winning" is. MS is no different...........they want money.

EDIT - the quotations are because i was refering to numbers in relation to other platforms.

navyguy21

But that's the bottom line, isn't it? They're losing money, and continue to keep losing money. That, coupled with their resistance to make any changes to how they're doing business and the fact that the Wii is absolutely tearing them to shreds (apparently, Wii Fit is set to outsell the PS3 worldwide. A single game is going to to outsell this console) spells doom, no?

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#68 dereknippl-e
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Plus, comparisons to the GC are kind of moot since, even though GC didn't sell well, Nintendo still made a profit off of it.

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#69 Floppy_Jim
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It's not the next anything, it's just the PS3. It'll sell more than the DC, GC, N64 and Xbox combined although will fall short of PS2 numbers.
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#70 Magik85
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PS3 will end in the lead of this generation (number of sold consoles). Seriously there are much more Playstation fans out there and most who had PS2 will get finally PS3...Playstation brand is damn good brand and just cant fail....Microsoft did step forward from original xbox but but it will take sometime till Xbox is gonna have as many fans as PS...perhaps in next gen.
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#71 Harry_Balzac
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:lol: No.

The PS3 (and Sony)will be just fine. Just that the PS Brand no longer dominates the console gaming industry due to an incredible (and very public) fall from grace.

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I wouldn't say incredible. Nintendo being flawed by Sony as the newcomer on it's 1st console attempt was incredible..The way Sony wiped the floor for two gen straight against the two biggest (and only at the time) console manufacturers in Sega and Ninty was incredible. But Nintendo coming back after being the dominator before Sony arrived, was just a matter of time, due to the fact they have to be smarter than both Sony and MS, due to being less able to suffer losses like Sony and MS do on new hardware. Nintendo and MS had to do there homework to have any chance of toppling Sony. Nintendo especially done the best job at this, as everyone seems to want a Wii...... Sony however were like the dominant boxing or fighting champion that has taken the belt, held onto it for a few defences, then stopped the training and hard work that helped them dominate so decidedly. They basically expected there opposition to hear there name, see there record, see the belt wrapped around their waist and crumble into the fetal position and fight each other for the scraps. They expected the crowd to instantly take their side as had happend in gens gone past. But we all know that people get bored with one person/thing dominating....A good example would be how damn sick we all are of Roger Federer making everyone (but the constantly injured Nadal) look like schoolkids playing a pro tennis player in his matches....it is boring....we want to see Hewitt, Roddick or the Williams sisters out muscle and beat him (frankly the Williams sisters are the only ones that are capable of out muscling him). Sony was at the top for it's run, now Nintendo is back for it's run. Whoever has the smartest gameplan next gen, has the best chance of getting or retaining the belt.
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It's not the next anything, it's just the PS3. It'll sell more than the DC, GC, N64 and Xbox combined although will fall short of PS2 numbers. Floppy_Jim
12+ 22+40+24= 98million - you some how think the ps3 will sell 98 million units....
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#73 StealthMonkey4
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[QUOTE="dereknippl-e"]

Doesn't it seem inevitable? The way Sony's been mismanaging everything, plus the fact that they're bleeding money from all divisions, their poor reputation as arrogant elitists and the behemoth sales of the Wii60...maybe it's the pessimist in me but I just don't see a future for the PS3, and I definitely don't see a PS4 in the future.

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I don't think the first XBox fell on its face nearly as bad as the PS3 has. And Microsoft didn't get a financial amputation because of it.

SolidTy

This thread needs to die.I knew this posters game back when he first came to SW a few weeks back, finally he created the thread he always wanted.

Comparisons to the Gamecube of Xbox are flat out...Wrong.

-----------------------

In FOUR YEARS, the XBOX only sold about 24-25 Million consoles.

The Too Expensive PS3, which is only TWO YEARS OLD, has sold roughly 23+ MILLION Already!

Failed Comparison.

-------------------------------

SALES WISE, the PS3 IS NOT LIKE THE XBOX, GAMECUBE, or DREAMCAST.

Currently, at the PS3's rate, it will probably end up much like the N64-SNES (In the 35-60 Million range) did...I don't think you realize just how close the PS3 and 360 Sales are.

No, the PS3 is NOT THE PS2 or PSOne, yes, by that Holy Super standard the PS3 failed, HOWEVER the PS3 itself is not a failure at all.

In the past, the Greatest rivalry in consoles was the mighty :

SEGA GENESIS Vs. SUPER NES(SNES).

The 360 Vs. PS3 is far, far closer than that...we are witnessing the greatest console war in history, not to mention the Wii doing even more outstanding.

/Thread.

This. I hate when people say the PS3 is a failure just because it doesn't dominate the competition. :roll:

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The PS3 has sold double what the Dreamcast did and sold what Gamecube sold in 5 years in less then 2 and a half at 5 times the price.

Also it has sold more then X360 had in the same timeframe by 3 million.

Does that answer your question troll OP?

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#75 HuusAsking
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The PS3 has sold double what the Dreamcast did and sold what Gamecube sold in 5 years in less then 2 and a half at 5 times the price.

Also it has sold more then X360 had in the same timeframe by 3 million.

Does that answer your question troll OP?

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But it's still firmly in last place...and losing ground.
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#76 falconzss
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no, the ps3 is doing fine. it already sold more than xbox, gamecube or dreamcast during last generation and it's not like the sales are going through the floor like they those of the dreamcast did after the ps2 launched.

sure sony is losing money right now but considering the consoles predicted lifespan, it's safe to say that the components and the technology will be cheap enough to manufacture that they will make a profit over the course of the next few years.

i guess if sony reduces the price (which will happen sooner or later) and it drops under 300, ps3 sales will take a huge upturn.

at the end of the day, i guess there's no way that sony won't make another console after this, even if they loose that much money.

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#77 double_heist
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no, the ps3 is doing fine. it already sold more than xbox, gamecube or dreamcast during last generation and it's not like the sales are going through the floor like they those of the dreamcast did after the ps2 launched.

sure sony is losing money right now but considering the consoles predicted lifespan, it's safe to say that the components and the technology will be cheap enough to manufacture that they will make a profit over the course of the next few years.

i guess if sony reduces the price (which will happen sooner or later) and it drops under 300, ps3 sales will take a huge upturn.

at the end of the day, i guess there's no way that sony won't make another console after this, even if they loose that much money.

falconzss
i wouldn't agree on the last part. N64 and GC were last place but they came up with the wii and it made them 1st place.
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i guess if sony reduces the price (which will happen sooner or later) and it drops under 300, ps3 sales will take a huge upturn.falconzss
And I disagree with this part. Are you saying there are literally millions of people who would turn down a console for $200 that has most of the games they like (including GTA4 and your favorite sports games) simply to wait and wait for a $300 PS3? Do we have petitions or prebuys to support this?
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[QUOTE="falconzss"]

no, the ps3 is doing fine. it already sold more than xbox, gamecube or dreamcast during last generation and it's not like the sales are going through the floor like they those of the dreamcast did after the ps2 launched.

sure sony is losing money right now but considering the consoles predicted lifespan, it's safe to say that the components and the technology will be cheap enough to manufacture that they will make a profit over the course of the next few years.

i guess if sony reduces the price (which will happen sooner or later) and it drops under 300, ps3 sales will take a huge upturn.

at the end of the day, i guess there's no way that sony won't make another console after this, even if they loose that much money.

double_heist

i wouldn't agree on the last part. N64 and GC were last place but they came up with the wii and it made them 1st place.

did i wrote anything that contradicts what you said? Oo

if it does, the i don't get it :P

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#80 falconzss
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[QUOTE="falconzss"]i guess if sony reduces the price (which will happen sooner or later) and it drops under 300, ps3 sales will take a huge upturn.HuusAsking
And I disagree with this part. Are you saying there are literally millions of people who would turn down a console for $200 that has most of the games they like (including GTA4 and your favorite sports games) simply to wait and wait for a $300 PS3? Do we have petitions or prebuys to support this?

no we don't and therefore it is nothing more than a prediction of mine. i just think that it is something psychological, the 300$ barrier. there are probably millions who want to buy a ps3 but didn't because it's to expensive but i think they will if the price drops to 299 for example even though the 360 will be still cheaper. it won't have that much of an effect in NA since its basically 360 land but here in europe it is another story.
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#81 Alpha-Male22
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"Will the X360 go the way of the Dreamcast?"
See, I could make a topic like that and it'd be just as true.

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What are you talking about, you didn't even answer his question. He has a legit question because there is a legit concern for Sony. The question itself is ridiculous at this point since its been asked and answered many times before, but your not proving anything with that post.

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#82 kkevguy47k
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Playstation has too much brand recognition to end. PS4 will come.

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#83 double_heist
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[QUOTE="double_heist"][QUOTE="falconzss"]

no, the ps3 is doing fine. it already sold more than xbox, gamecube or dreamcast during last generation and it's not like the sales are going through the floor like they those of the dreamcast did after the ps2 launched.

sure sony is losing money right now but considering the consoles predicted lifespan, it's safe to say that the components and the technology will be cheap enough to manufacture that they will make a profit over the course of the next few years.

i guess if sony reduces the price (which will happen sooner or later) and it drops under 300, ps3 sales will take a huge upturn.

at the end of the day, i guess there's no way that sony won't make another console after this, even if they loose that much money.

falconzss

i wouldn't agree on the last part. N64 and GC were last place but they came up with the wii and it made them 1st place.

did i wrote anything that contradicts what you said? Oo

if it does, the i don't get it :P

Oh wait, i didn't read that right. My bad! XD
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#84 dereknippl-e
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[QUOTE="SolidTy"]

[QUOTE="dereknippl-e"]

Doesn't it seem inevitable? The way Sony's been mismanaging everything, plus the fact that they're bleeding money from all divisions, their poor reputation as arrogant elitists and the behemoth sales of the Wii60...maybe it's the pessimist in me but I just don't see a future for the PS3, and I definitely don't see a PS4 in the future.

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I don't think the first XBox fell on its face nearly as bad as the PS3 has. And Microsoft didn't get a financial amputation because of it.

StealthMonkey4

This thread needs to die.I knew this posters game back when he first came to SW a few weeks back, finally he created the thread he always wanted.

Comparisons to the Gamecube of Xbox are flat out...Wrong.

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In FOUR YEARS, the XBOX only sold about 24-25 Million consoles.

The Too Expensive PS3, which is only TWO YEARS OLD, has sold roughly 23+ MILLION Already!

Failed Comparison.

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SALES WISE, the PS3 IS NOT LIKE THE XBOX, GAMECUBE, or DREAMCAST.

Currently, at the PS3's rate, it will probably end up much like the N64-SNES (In the 35-60 Million range) did...I don't think you realize just how close the PS3 and 360 Sales are.

No, the PS3 is NOT THE PS2 or PSOne, yes, by that Holy Super standard the PS3 failed, HOWEVER the PS3 itself is not a failure at all.

In the past, the Greatest rivalry in consoles was the mighty :

SEGA GENESIS Vs. SUPER NES(SNES).

The 360 Vs. PS3 is far, far closer than that...we are witnessing the greatest console war in history, not to mention the Wii doing even more outstanding.

/Thread.

This. I hate when people say the PS3 is a failure just because it doesn't dominate the competition. :roll:

It's not that it's not dominating the competition. It's getting thoroughly dominated. Most other consoles that have been beaten down this badly have been the last one that their respective companies produced. It's in last place and continues to lose ground to the Wii60.

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#85 SolidTy
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[QUOTE="StealthMonkey4"]

[QUOTE="SolidTy"]

This thread needs to die.I knew this posters game back when he first came to SW a few weeks back, finally he created the thread he always wanted.

Comparisons to the Gamecube of Xbox are flat out...Wrong.

-----------------------

In FOUR YEARS, the XBOX only sold about 24-25 Million consoles.

The Too Expensive PS3, which is only TWO YEARS OLD, has sold roughly 23+ MILLION Already!

Failed Comparison.

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SALES WISE, the PS3 IS NOT LIKE THE XBOX, GAMECUBE, or DREAMCAST.

Currently, at the PS3's rate, it will probably end up much like the N64-SNES (In the 35-60 Million range) did...I don't think you realize just how close the PS3 and 360 Sales are.

No, the PS3 is NOT THE PS2 or PSOne, yes, by that Holy Super standard the PS3 failed, HOWEVER the PS3 itself is not a failure at all.

In the past, the Greatest rivalry in consoles was the mighty :

SEGA GENESIS Vs. SUPER NES(SNES).

The 360 Vs. PS3 is far, far closer than that...we are witnessing the greatest console war in history, not to mention the Wii doing even more outstanding.

/Thread.

dereknippl-e

This. I hate when people say the PS3 is a failure just because it doesn't dominate the competition. :roll:

It's not that it's not dominating the competition. It's getting thoroughly dominated. Most other consoles that have been beaten down this badly have been the last one that their respective companies produced. It's in last place and continues to lose ground to the Wii60.

No, that's a falsehood. Try actually reading my post before spreading falsehoods. Thanks!

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#86 dereknippl-e
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[QUOTE="dereknippl-e"]

[QUOTE="StealthMonkey4"]

This. I hate when people say the PS3 is a failure just because it doesn't dominate the competition. :roll:

SolidTy

It's not that it's not dominating the competition. It's getting thoroughly dominated. Most other consoles that have been beaten down this badly have been the last one that their respective companies produced. It's in last place and continues to lose ground to the Wii60.

No, that's a falsehood. Try actually reading my post before spreading falsehoods. Thanks!

I never said that you said it's getting thoroughly dominated. That was a response to StealthMonkey4. That's the conclusion that any objective observer would come to.

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#87 ieatnoobs18
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"Will the X360 go the way of the Dreamcast?"
See, I could make a topic like that and it'd be just as true.

metalgear-solid

That doesnt work at all...

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#88 mitz008
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The difference between the PS3 and Dreamcast is no one would fondly rememeber the PS3 if it died off.

sexy_robot_man
nah, i`ll remember the ps3 for sure :D
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I personally feel that the 360 is going the way of the dreamcast. They both have extremely similar controllers and they both failed. It was not the 360's fault it was the engineers that built it.

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I personally feel that the 360 is going the way of the dreamcast. They both have extremely similar controllers and they both failed. It was not the 360's fault it was the engineers that built it.

Superman559cali
The Dreamcast's controller is closer to the original XBox controller than to the Controller S (the model for the 360 controller), and they have the PlayStation to thank for the template. Anyway, I wouldn't call firmly in second and still getting good attention a failure.
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#91 HGAT
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[QUOTE="Superman559cali"]

I personally feel that the 360 is going the way of the dreamcast. They both have extremely similar controllers and they both failed. It was not the 360's fault it was the engineers that built it.

HuusAsking

The Dreamcast's controller is closer to the original XBox controller than to the Controller S (the model for the 360 controller), and they have the PlayStation to thank for the template. Anyway, I wouldn't call firmly in second and still getting good attention a failure.

And Sony have Nintendo to thank for the template and so on and so on.

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[QUOTE="MegajerkNYC"]

The PS3 has sold double what the Dreamcast did and sold what Gamecube sold in 5 years in less then 2 and a half at 5 times the price.

Also it has sold more then X360 had in the same timeframe by 3 million.

Does that answer your question troll OP?

HuusAsking

But it's still firmly in last place...and losing ground.

QFT.

It seems many in this thread don't look at the bigger picture here with the PS3 losing over 50% of the PS2's marketshare

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Sony aint going anywhere, look beyond fan biasm for just a second and look at market trends. Sony won the DVD format war with Blu Ray. Now what that then allows Sony to do is play a long game in the game market a very long game, zen master style of sitting their waiting and then striking next gen.

You see when Blu-Ray has become the primary format, for movies over the next few years and everyone is user friendly with it, what will the next gen have to use for the disks for their games??? they won't be able to use DVD anymore so oh look it's Mr 'Blu-Ray'.

Can you imagine the boardroomscenes in Nintendo and Microsoft where every game sale they make a percentage of said sale, goes to Sony because they're using Blu-Ray disks.

The only way they can combat this is online downloads via XBL and huge harddrives etc. etc..

Plus next time around the Blu-ray compenents in Sony's next console will be really cheap so they can spend less money,yet still make a great competitive console.

Sony have done enough to stay alive and set up a platform to launch into domination next gen. But i'm more interested in seeing what Nintendo and Microsoft do, If they manage to find a way around Blu-Ray it will be the business coup of the century.

In note to the dreamcast the one thing the sonyboys and ps3 have in common with the dreamcast is it thinks it's in it's own gen and sadly isn't and may well come number 1 eventually yes but it won't count in reality yet that won't stop the PS2 stats and support being thrown out to support PS3's number one status when Microsoft and Nintendo have already started the next gen again.

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Sony aint going anywhere, look beyond fan biasm for just a second and look at market trends. Sony won the DVD format war with Blu Ray. Now what that then allows Sony to do is play a long game in the game market a very long game, zen master style of sitting their waiting and then striking next gen.

You see when Blu-Ray has become the primary format, for movies over the next few years and everyone is user friendly with it, what will the next gen have to use for the disks for their games??? they won't be able to use DVD anymore so oh look it's Mr 'Blu-Ray'.

Can you imagine the boardroomscenes in Nintendo and Microsoft where every game sale they make a percentage of said sale, goes to Sony because they're using Blu-Ray disks.

The only way they can combat this is online downloads via XBL and huge harddrives etc. etc..

Plus next time around the Blu-ray compenents in Sony's next console will be really cheap so they can spend less money,yet still make a great competitive console.

Sony have done enough to stay alive and set up a platform to launch into domination next gen. But i'm more interested in seeing what Nintendo and Microsoft do, If they manage to find a way around Blu-Ray it will be the business coup of the century.

In note to the dreamcast the one thing the sonyboys and ps3 have in common with the dreamcast is it thinks it's in it's own gen and sadly isn't and may well come number 1 eventually yes but it won't count in reality yet that won't stop the PS2 stats and support being thrown out to support PS3's number one status when Microsoft and Nintendo have already started the next gen again.

HGAT
You know, Sony only gets a very tiny piece of BD revenues since the rights to BD are held by a consortium of which Sony is merely another member.
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Sony aint going anywhere, look beyond fan biasm for just a second and look at market trends. Sony won the DVD format war with Blu Ray. Now what that then allows Sony to do is play a long game in the game market a very long game, zen master style of sitting their waiting and then striking next gen.

You see when Blu-Ray has become the primary format, for movies over the next few years and everyone is user friendly with it, what will the next gen have to use for the disks for their games??? they won't be able to use DVD anymore so oh look it's Mr 'Blu-Ray'.

Can you imagine the boardroomscenes in Nintendo and Microsoft where every game sale they make a percentage of said sale, goes to Sony because they're using Blu-Ray disks.

The only way they can combat this is online downloads via XBL and huge harddrives etc. etc..

Plus next time around the Blu-ray compenents in Sony's next console will be really cheap so they can spend less money,yet still make a great competitive console.

Sony have done enough to stay alive and set up a platform to launch into domination next gen. But i'm more interested in seeing what Nintendo and Microsoft do, If they manage to find a way around Blu-Ray it will be the business coup of the century.

In note to the dreamcast the one thing the sonyboys and ps3 have in common with the dreamcast is it thinks it's in it's own gen and sadly isn't and may well come number 1 eventually yes but it won't count in reality yet that won't stop the PS2 stats and support being thrown out to support PS3's number one status when Microsoft and Nintendo have already started the next gen again.

HGAT

Disc media is dead. Digital distribution is clearly the way of the future. Yet another reason Sony is Sega, Jr.

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#96 HuusAsking
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[QUOTE="HGAT"]

Sony aint going anywhere, look beyond fan biasm for just a second and look at market trends. Sony won the DVD format war with Blu Ray. Now what that then allows Sony to do is play a long game in the game market a very long game, zen master style of sitting their waiting and then striking next gen.

You see when Blu-Ray has become the primary format, for movies over the next few years and everyone is user friendly with it, what will the next gen have to use for the disks for their games??? they won't be able to use DVD anymore so oh look it's Mr 'Blu-Ray'.

Can you imagine the boardroomscenes in Nintendo and Microsoft where every game sale they make a percentage of said sale, goes to Sony because they're using Blu-Ray disks.

The only way they can combat this is online downloads via XBL and huge harddrives etc. etc..

Plus next time around the Blu-ray compenents in Sony's next console will be really cheap so they can spend less money,yet still make a great competitive console.

Sony have done enough to stay alive and set up a platform to launch into domination next gen. But i'm more interested in seeing what Nintendo and Microsoft do, If they manage to find a way around Blu-Ray it will be the business coup of the century.

In note to the dreamcast the one thing the sonyboys and ps3 have in common with the dreamcast is it thinks it's in it's own gen and sadly isn't and may well come number 1 eventually yes but it won't count in reality yet that won't stop the PS2 stats and support being thrown out to support PS3's number one status when Microsoft and Nintendo have already started the next gen again.

dereknippl-e

Disc media is dead. Digital distribution is clearly the way of the future. Yet another reason Sony is Sega, Jr.

Tell that to the guy who's got no Internet.
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Ummm....the PS3 has sold more than the 360 once you factor in the 1 year lead that the 360 has and factor in that the 360 has had a longer time at a reduced price (because of the 1 year lead and thus earlier price drop).

So if you think that PS3 is going the way of the Dreamcast, then so is the 360.

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#98 HuusAsking
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Ummm....the PS3 has sold more than the 360 once you factor in the 1 year lead that the 360 has and factor in that the 360 has had a longer time at a reduced price (because of the 1 year lead and thus earlier price drop).

So if you think that PS3 is going the way of the Dreamcast, then so is the 360.

Jason_A
But that head start makes a difference. Look at what the PS2's head start did for it against the XBox and GameCube.
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Okay, I've been asking too many vague questions for too long, so I just want to get to the bottom line. Do you think the PS3 will go the way of the Dreamcast? Clearly, it's not doing so well and the only reasons anyone has to hope for improvement are just rumors and a few leaked photographs. Sony execs constantly stress that they will NOT cut the price and Sony continues to lose $40+ per console sold. So, taking all of this into account and assuming that nothing changes (no price cut, no BC, no slim, etc.), will the PS3 eventually suffer the same fate that the Dreamcast did? Furthermore, I've heard a lot of people comparing Sony to Sega recently, so do you think the PS3 is Sony's last console? dereknippl-e

Not Dreamcast, but maybe the Gamecube.

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The PS3 is the N64 of this gen, not the dreamcast. Instead of loosing so badly it stops making consoles it will simply lose over half of its user base.