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#1 Salt_The_Fries
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Will it ever happen? Despite the magnitude of acclaim for TW1 and 2, I still feel it isn't talked about enough. It isn't even more popular in commercial terms than Dragon Age which as series sold 8 millions (though it's worth noting both DA games came out on 3 platforms while TW only on 1 and the sequel on 2) while TW just 6. Do you think CDPR will benefit from Warner Bros partnership and finally become the hottest IP as far as RPGs is concerned, second only to The Elder Scrolls?

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#2  Edited By TheEroica  Moderator
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Blasphemer!!!! Never!

I do like the Witcher, but Mass Effect Is what God plays in heaven.

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#3 Thunder7151
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DARK SOULS 2 TOTALLY PWNS WITCHER 3!!!!

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#4  Edited By jeffmonster
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Negative. Witcher is too much of a "nerd-centric" video game to have a mass appeal. Normal, fun loving people still outnumber nerds 100 to 1.

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#5  Edited By jake44
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No.

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#6 Legend500
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@jeffmonster said:

Negative. Witcher is too much of a "nerd-centric" video game to have a mass appeal. Normal, fun loving people still outnumber nerds 100 to 1.

Mass Effect has got to be one of the nerdiest games ever made. In fact I would argue that the Witcher would have a more appealing setting due to the recent rise of the fantasy genre in Game of Thrones and Skyrim, two things that a sh!t load of "normal people" immensely enjoyed. Both games are awesome though and tbh I couldn't give a f*ck what is nerd centric.

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#7 Jag85
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Unfortunately, it won't. It's a pretty niche series, kind of like the Souls series. It's highly unlikely its sales would ever reach the heights of Mass Effect or Skyrim.

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@jake44 said:

No.

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maybe, loved the witcher 2 more than mass effect 3

ME2>W2>ME3

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#10 GarGx1
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Don't really care if it's as popular as Mass Effect. I enjoyed 1 and 2, pretty sure I'll enjoy 3 as well, as far as I'm concerned that's all that matters.

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#11 FoxbatAlpha
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Witcher will be great in its own right but you will never be banging a ship full of hotties all over the galaxy.

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#12 V3rciS
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Witcher is already popular, one of the most anticipating games to come this year... however I still prefer Mass Effect series but that's only because it's sci-fi, I'm a die hard sci-fi fan, but still the Witcher are HUUUUUUUUUUGE and awesome series, I've even read the books, that's how bad I was hooked.

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#13 Salt_The_Fries
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I didn't want to pit The Witcher against Mass Effect, I also like Mass Effect, but I ABSOLUTELY HATE THIS GARBAGE DRAGON AGE SERIES!!! I WANT TO RIP ITS THROAT!!! /rant off

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#14  Edited By deactivated-5f768591970d3
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Witcher is on par with ME series for me. Withcer 2 and ME2 are two of the best RPGs I have ever played. Hopefully the Witcher 3 is better than Mass Effect 3 was. Id also recommend the Witcher books which are great

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#15 Lulu_Lulu
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Perhaps the need a better Publisher..... Like Electronic Arts. XD

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#16  Edited By StriateEnd
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The Witcher is already better than the glorified dating sim that is Mass Effect. Muuuuch better. They are in different leagues thanks to The Witcher 2. The only ME game worth a damn is the first and that's because it had a larger focus on the rpg of it all. The second one had lame missions, boring story that opened up at the very end, hardly any exploration for a game that was advertised as an open world, dumbed down rpg elements, shooting/cover mechanics were bollocks compared to Gears and Uncharted etc.

So yeah, I hope games like The Witcher and Dark Souls become more popular than the mainstream, overrated RPGs like Elder Scrolls, Fallout, Dragon Age and Mass Effect.

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#17 Lulu_Lulu
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@ StriateEnd

What ! You don't get praise ME1's RPG Elements and trash ME2's Gameplay when ME1's gameplay was far worse..

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#18  Edited By MonsieurX
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@Thunder7151 said:

DARK SOULS 2 TOTALLY PWNS WITCHER 3!!!!

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But nobody talked a word about Dark souls.

Insecure much?

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Mmh, I would say no.

The Witcher so far have been far closer to its RPG roots then Mass Effect ever was. Which is offputting to pretty much all people WHO are not into RPGs.

Preperation, the act of conversation and thinking ahead will tend to wield results in the witcher, I would argue that the player is more then just incuraged to do so.

ME after 1 was prtty much just third person shooters, easy to grasp, little thinking involved. It is nice Black and White in terms of right and wrong (I would argue that you can ONLY be a hero in mass effect, just between the by the books one, and the badass one).

In Mass effect you are always pointed to the exact place where you need to go, the witcher games have been far less handheldy (althrough TW 2 took a big step into that direction)

And there is the fact that The witcher has some of the most mature themes in games (there ARE other games that deals in it just as well or better, but TW is in the general area, although sometimes in an almost childish way).

Basicly the average gamer is a couch potato they want to use as Little thought as possible, the story to be straight farwards and simple, they want choices that reflects on the imidiate reward, not what happens 10 hours Down the line.

So no the witcher does have a niché audience, TW 3 has th advantage of it being one of the first and prettiest RPGs to come out on the new systems, so it will sell. People will also flock to the "bigger then skyrim" which sadly makes people Draw the conclusion that this is LIKE Skyrim, which it is not. It really is close to the classical RPGs with choice and consequence overshadows what build order you have and what you min max.

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#20 chessmaster1989
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Probably not, nor should it be. Mass Effect as a series is better in pretty much every way.

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#21 Lulu_Lulu
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For something to be better or worse 1st it has to be simular. And I think its safe to say these two are nothing alike therefor cannot be compared.

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#22 padaporra
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The fact TW3 will be released in both consoles may boost its popularity... but I don't know if will match Mass Effect in that regard. That said, Call of Duty is more popular than both combined and so what?

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#23  Edited By cainetao11
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Yes, as a business, cdpr will benefit from being with Warner games. No the witcher will not be as popular as ME. I hope they let it rest at 3.

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#24  Edited By padaporra
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@Maddie_Larkin said:

ME after 1 was prtty much just third person shooters, easy to grasp, little thinking involved. It is nice Black and White in terms of right and wrong (I would argue that you can ONLY be a hero in mass effect, just between the by the books one, and the badass one).

In Mass effect you are always pointed to the exact place where you need to go, the witcher games have been far less handheldy (althrough TW 2 took a big step into that direction)

And there is the fact that The witcher has some of the most mature themes in games (there ARE other games that deals in it just as well or better, but TW is in the general area, although sometimes in an almost childish way).

There are plenty of difference between the two franchises, but ME is certainly not less mature in its themes, or how much thought you have to put into them. In some aspects, TW is more mature in its presentation, for example the sex scenes, yet not in the dilemmas and question they both ask from the players.

And Mass Effect is not black and white. The Paragon and Renegade system doesn't translate to right or wrong, but they try to embody different philosophies and show them in a clear scale.

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#25 donalbane
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No... the combat is too difficult for some, the adult themes turn off a lot of people, and you can't customize the character - which incidentally is one of the reasons the Mass Effect series is so beloved. I mean, I like both, and the two games come up in a lot of the same conversations, but it will never be as popular as mass effect for casuals, kids and the ladies.

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#26 silversix_
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No it wont. Mass Effect is well suited for bro gamers. Its like cod in space (especially the 3rd one). TW3 is more of a game made for gamers.

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#27 mems_1224
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No, because Geralt is an awful protagonist. That and the gameplay has never been very good in the witcher games.

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Yes. Now it just needs a lackluster ending to piss off its fans and voila...

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@padaporra said:

@Maddie_Larkin said:

ME after 1 was prtty much just third person shooters, easy to grasp, little thinking involved. It is nice Black and White in terms of right and wrong (I would argue that you can ONLY be a hero in mass effect, just between the by the books one, and the badass one).

In Mass effect you are always pointed to the exact place where you need to go, the witcher games have been far less handheldy (althrough TW 2 took a big step into that direction)

And there is the fact that The witcher has some of the most mature themes in games (there ARE other games that deals in it just as well or better, but TW is in the general area, although sometimes in an almost childish way).

There are plenty of difference between the two franchises, but ME is certainly not less mature in its themes, or how much thought you have to put into them. In some aspects, TW is more mature in its presentation, for example the sex scenes, yet not in the dilemmas and question they both ask from the players.

And Mass Effect is not black and white. The Paragon and Renegade system doesn't translate to right or wrong, but they try to embody different philosophies and show them in a clear scale.

well playied all through ME 1,2 and 3 (1 3 times, and 2 2 times).

Let us get this straight, the evil is evil in ME just for the sake of evil. The Reapers are not that well thought out.

Most choices you get in an ME game are variations of what is ultimate "good" everything is laid out as being a "correct choice" often with the best of consequences.

If I remember one of the most debatable cruel outcomes in ME was the fan mini side mission. What else are there that are Shades of gray? and not in an utterly childish way?

The Genophage being one of the overarching debatable "bads" in the game, and some how every living soul somehow regrets making it?

Even rasism is handled politely and by the books, like everything else in ME. Very Little cruelty very Little real hatred.

ME is about as Black and White as Star wars, and star wars is anything but gray.

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#30 cooolio
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@chessmaster1989: There has been no public released gameplay demo for TW3. Due to its scale and improvements, it could completely put all three Mass Effect games to shame. It just all depends on whether or not people will judge it based on its gameplay and not their own blind pride and favoritism.

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@Salt_The_Fries said:

Will it ever happen? Despite the magnitude of acclaim for TW1 and 2, I still feel it isn't talked about enough. It isn't even more popular in commercial terms than Dragon Age which as series sold 8 millions (though it's worth noting both DA games came out on 3 platforms while TW only on 1 and the sequel on 2) while TW just 6. Do you think CDPR will benefit from Warner Bros partnership and finally become the hottest IP as far as RPGs is concerned, second only to The Elder Scrolls?

The only way the Witcher could possibly become as popular as Mass Effect is if the Wicher 3 did something so absurd that it caused more backlash than the horrible Mass Effect 3 ending, or was generally shit like Dragon Age 2. Sometimes things aren't popular for good reasons.

But yes being mainstreamed on consoles will not only help sales it will get people talking about it. Just look at Wallmart, Future Shop, Gamestop etc their PC section is usualy small and tucked away in a corner while their console game section is out in the open for all the world to see and 9X bigger.

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To me it is already a better game...

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#33  Edited By treedoor
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Unfortunately no, it won't.

Bioware RPGs

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#34 hrt_rulz01
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I loved Witcher 2 (and can't wait for W3), but the Mass Effect games are pretty special to me.

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I don't think it will, not now or anywhere in the near future.

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@Maddie_Larkin said:

Most choices you get in an ME game are variations of what is ultimate "good" everything is laid out as being a "correct choice" often with the best of consequences.

If I remember one of the most debatable cruel outcomes in ME was the fan mini side mission. What else are there that are Shades of gray? and not in an utterly childish way?

- Saving or killing the Rachini.
- Destroying or rewriting the Geth (which is my favorite choice in Mass Effect)
- Saving or destroying the collector base
- Everything Genophage
- The Quarian/Geth conflict

Just to name a few... if even you believe the consequences are not worked properly, it's hard to argue these choices are black or white and/or the game make them like that.

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#37 Eddie-Vedder
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The Witcher > Souls Games >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mass Cheese

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#38 deactivated-59b71619573a1
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No it won't, TW games don't have the same mass appeal the ME games do

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Mass Effect succeed because it was casual, Witcher too hardcore time.

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#40 Shielder7
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@Eddie-Vedder said:

The Witcher > Souls Games >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mass Cheese

Meh....I thought Demon Souls was a bit better than the Witcher, not Dark Souls tho.

Oh and in be for IBF that Tex gold guy comes in and starts raging about how great Mass Crap is.

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#41 Lulu_Lulu
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@ uninspiredcup

What was so "casual" about Mass Effect ?

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#42 Shielder7
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@Lulu_Lulu said:

@ uninspiredcup

What was so "casual" about Mass Effect ?

What isn't?

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@padaporra said:

@Maddie_Larkin said:

Most choices you get in an ME game are variations of what is ultimate "good" everything is laid out as being a "correct choice" often with the best of consequences.

If I remember one of the most debatable cruel outcomes in ME was the fan mini side mission. What else are there that are Shades of gray? and not in an utterly childish way?

- Saving or killing the Rachini.

- Destroying or rewriting the Geth (which is my favorite choice in Mass Effect)

- Saving or destroying the collector base

- Everything Genophage

- The Quarian/Geth conflict

Just to name a few... if even you believe the consequences are not worked properly, it's hard to argue these choices are black or white and/or the game make them like that.

Even if you do save the Rachni Queen in ME1 you are given the same choice in ME3, and it is an obvious right or wrong situation.

The geth you destroy are the heretic geth.

I do not know how the collector base affects the ending, but I was pretty good without it.

The quarian and geth conflict can be resolved peacefully with enough points

All of the good choices do not seem like they will screw you over in the end and they should.

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@Salt_The_Fries: Probably not, but it still has a decent following. It's popularity has grown since The Witcher 2. It should easily sell a few millions with no problem.

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#45 deactivated-5acbb9993d0bd
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It doesn't have guns... so that rules out the majority of casuals.

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@Thunder7151 said:

DARK SOULS 2 TOTALLY PWNS WITCHER 3!!!!

/END THREAD

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That troll-axe part was pathetic... truly.

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Its an RPG-Hybrid, casuals aren't known for their desire of differientiating Armor from Shields and why you need Warp/Fire for one and Overload for the other.

To casuals damage is damage and they got no time for unnecessary complexity masquerading as depth. Never seen a Casual excited to play Mass Effect, its not their type of game.

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"can be resolved

peacefully with enough points"

I hate this with a white passion. Planesscape Torment was also like this.

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#49  Edited By deactivated-57d8401f17c55
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Maybe. It's too good for a lot of Mass effect's audience though.

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#50 CleanPlayer
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I love both games, but Mass Effect has a slightly more interesting setting