@zaryia: There will never be a console like a PC or remotely close in quality as PC so you might as well get a PC. All the cool kids are doing it these days
@loe12k: Absolute hogwash. First off, PC has a much, much larger amount of games than all current consoles combined in addition to getting Xbox games and now Playstation games thru PSNOW. Many games have early access a year or so before release compared to console which doesnt offer that. Also, classic games are supported much better on PC such as Call of Duty 4 compared to console where everyone moves on to the newest entry and developers can shut the game down at any point.
Also, performance on a PC obliterates console. I for one am tired of getting low framerate or low to mid level graphically fidelity in console games these days.
Online is completely free and superior to console
Keyboard and Mouse is superior although you can use any controller you want
Backwards compatability to the 1980s
Much better deals and price cuts on PC games than consoles
Online hackers and cheaters are blown out of proportion. The vast majority of the time is fine and there are systems in place to punish them
That can play almost every exclusive from both major consoles (PS/XB)?
Streamed or simply ported, this is really something extraordinary if you think about it. I think it was already a great system by having the most high scoring exclusives and total games per year, but this just kicks PC into an unforseen level.
No system has had this before. We're talking Super Sayian Blue but for gaming. The Ultimate form.
PC is great for RTS everything else you better of owning a console. I see online hackers and cheaters wreck multiplayer games and the servers are often not official.
1. According to Digital Foundry, you are better off going PC for every genre.
2. If PC MP was so bad, how come 99% of esports and competitive gaming is PC based? How come Steam has more concurrent than xbl and psn combined? Why are all major online games PC?
That can play almost every exclusive from both major consoles (PS/XB)?
Streamed or simply ported, this is really something extraordinary if you think about it. I think it was already a great system by having the most high scoring exclusives and total games per year, but this just kicks PC into an unforseen level.
No system has had this before. We're talking Super Sayian Blue but for gaming. The Ultimate form.
PC is great for RTS everything else you better of owning a console. I see online hackers and cheaters wreck multiplayer games and the servers are often not official.
1. According to Digital Foundry, you are better off going PC for every genre.
2. If PC MP was so bad, how come 99% of esports and competitive gaming is PC based? How come Steam has more concurrent than xbl and psn combined? Why are all major online games PC?
It's worth underlining that concurrent users isn't the same as concurrent players. The 14,207,039 number includes users who have Steam running in the background while they're doing other things or away from the PC altogether. Still, the figure is one measurement of Steam's growth over time.
That can play almost every exclusive from both major consoles (PS/XB)?
Streamed or simply ported, this is really something extraordinary if you think about it. I think it was already a great system by having the most high scoring exclusives and total games per year, but this just kicks PC into an unforseen level.
No system has had this before. We're talking Super Sayian Blue but for gaming. The Ultimate form.
PC is great for RTS everything else you better of owning a console. I see online hackers and cheaters wreck multiplayer games and the servers are often not official.
1. According to Digital Foundry, you are better off going PC for every genre.
2. If PC MP was so bad, how come 99% of esports and competitive gaming is PC based? How come Steam has more concurrent than xbl and psn combined? Why are all major online games PC?
It's worth underlining that concurrent users isn't the same as concurrent players. The 14,207,039 number includes users who have Steam running in the background while they're doing other things or away from the PC altogether. Still, the figure is one measurement of Steam's growth over time.
This does not refute my statement(s).
Neither XBL or PSN has the same concurrent USER or PLAYERS as Steam. If PC MP was so bad, it wouldn't be the bastion of competitive gaming, hold over 99% of e-sports, have the biggest/most played online service in the world, and have the biggest/most played games in the world.
PC furthermore has vastly more AAA/AA online games compared to any other system. It has more e-sports and competitive games than any other system.
No systems ONLINE compares. What @loe12k wrote was similiar to calling Micheal Jordan a bad basketball player and that Steven Hawking is better. Bodily untrue and opposite of reality.
That can play almost every exclusive from both major consoles (PS/XB)?
Streamed or simply ported, this is really something extraordinary if you think about it. I think it was already a great system by having the most high scoring exclusives and total games per year, but this just kicks PC into an unforseen level.
No system has had this before. We're talking Super Sayian Blue but for gaming. The Ultimate form.
Hang on a second, aren't you guys meant to be the "master" race and PC is teh best, with teh best games already, with teh best p's & fps and yet you're circle jerking over getting console games lol.
That can play almost every exclusive from both major consoles (PS/XB)?
Streamed or simply ported, this is really something extraordinary if you think about it. I think it was already a great system by having the most high scoring exclusives and total games per year, but this just kicks PC into an unforseen level.
No system has had this before. We're talking Super Sayian Blue but for gaming. The Ultimate form.
Hang on a second, aren't you guys meant to be the "master" race and PC is teh best, with teh best games already, with teh best p's & fps and yet you're circle jerking over getting console games lol.
Not supposed to be. We are. Backed up by MC, DF, and GS.
PC is great for RTS everything else you better of owning a console. I see online hackers and cheaters wreck multiplayer games and the servers are often not official.
1. According to Digital Foundry, you are better off going PC for every genre.
2. If PC MP was so bad, how come 99% of esports and competitive gaming is PC based? How come Steam has more concurrent than xbl and psn combined? Why are all major online games PC?
It's worth underlining that concurrent users isn't the same as concurrent players. The 14,207,039 number includes users who have Steam running in the background while they're doing other things or away from the PC altogether. Still, the figure is one measurement of Steam's growth over time.
This does not refute my statement(s).
Neither XBL or PSN has the same concurrent USER or PLAYERS as Steam. If PC MP was so bad, it wouldn't be the bastion of competitive gaming, hold over 99% of e-sports, have the biggest/most played online service in the world, and have the biggest/most played games in the world.
PC furthermore has vastly more AAA/AA online games compared to any other system. It has more e-sports and competitive games than any other system.
No systems ONLINE compares. What @loe12k wrote was similiar to calling Micheal Jordan a bad basketball player and that Steven Hawking is better. Bodily untrue and opposite of reality.
To bad PC's advantage didn't translate to market share gaming dominance in the markets outside of China.
1. According to Digital Foundry, you are better off going PC for every genre.
2. If PC MP was so bad, how come 99% of esports and competitive gaming is PC based? How come Steam has more concurrent than xbl and psn combined? Why are all major online games PC?
It's worth underlining that concurrent users isn't the same as concurrent players. The 14,207,039 number includes users who have Steam running in the background while they're doing other things or away from the PC altogether. Still, the figure is one measurement of Steam's growth over time.
This does not refute my statement(s).
Neither XBL or PSN has the same concurrent USER or PLAYERS as Steam. If PC MP was so bad, it wouldn't be the bastion of competitive gaming, hold over 99% of e-sports, have the biggest/most played online service in the world, and have the biggest/most played games in the world.
PC furthermore has vastly more AAA/AA online games compared to any other system. It has more e-sports and competitive games than any other system.
No systems ONLINE compares. What @loe12k wrote was similiar to calling Micheal Jordan a bad basketball player and that Steven Hawking is better. Bodily untrue and opposite of reality.
To bad PC's advantage didn't translate to market share gaming dominance in the markets outside of China.
Sales....ehhh...okay? How does this translate to gamers rather than CEO's?
Lol?
Sales do not change these advantages for actual Gamers. They do not change the fact that PC is the best for online gaming and has the best high scoring library this gen and the best version of multiplats and the most games from PS/XB. No one can really refute PC being the best gaming system, so you bring up sales.
Spoilers: This isn't a sales thread and you changed the subject. And if we did get into sales, PC factually has the most revenue than any other 1 system. China counts, unless you can show me the SW rule stating that it doesn't.
It's worth underlining that concurrent users isn't the same as concurrent players. The 14,207,039 number includes users who have Steam running in the background while they're doing other things or away from the PC altogether. Still, the figure is one measurement of Steam's growth over time.
This does not refute my statement(s).
Neither XBL or PSN has the same concurrent USER or PLAYERS as Steam. If PC MP was so bad, it wouldn't be the bastion of competitive gaming, hold over 99% of e-sports, have the biggest/most played online service in the world, and have the biggest/most played games in the world.
PC furthermore has vastly more AAA/AA online games compared to any other system. It has more e-sports and competitive games than any other system.
No systems ONLINE compares. What @loe12k wrote was similiar to calling Micheal Jordan a bad basketball player and that Steven Hawking is better. Bodily untrue and opposite of reality.
To bad PC's advantage didn't translate to market share gaming dominance in the markets outside of China.
Sales....ehhh...okay? How does this translate to gamers rather than CEO's?
Lol?
Sales do not change these advantages for actual Gamers. They do not change the fact that PC is the best for online gaming and has the best high scoring library this gen and the best version of multiplats and the most games from PS/XB. No one can really refute PC being the best gaming system, so you bring up sales.
Spoilers: This isn't a sales thread and you changed the subject. And if we did get into sales, PC factually has the most revenue than any other 1 system. China counts, unless you can show me the SW rule stating that it doesn't.
Sales relates to attach rates which then relates to actual gamers. LOL.
Sales relates to attach rates which then relates actual gamers. LOL.
But I don't see how this is currently harming PC considering what we've discussed. Sales are completely off-topic, I'd know, I'm the TC.
It gets the most multiplats and best version of them*, most exclusives from other systems and even just from itself, (combine those first 2 points, it has the most aaa/aa games at GS and MC), best online, best gfx*, best fps*.
I do not see the need to bring up sales in a non sales thread unless the system was being harmed. It isn't being harmed at all. Best system is best system.
Sales relates to attach rates which then relates actual gamers. LOL.
But I don't see how this is currently harming PC considering what we've discussed. Sales are completely off-topic, I'd know, I'm the TC.
It gets the most multiplats and best version of them*, most exclusives from other systems and even just from itself, (combine those first 2 points, it has the most aaa/aa games at GS and MC), best online, best gfx*, best fps*.
I do not see the need to bring up sales in a non sales thread unless the system was being harmed. It isn't being harmed at all. Best system is best system.
Sales relates to actual gamers and PC's advantages are not being translated into gaming domination in western market. Something of value is in the eyes of the beholder i.e. console gamers may not see PC's advantages being a value for them i.e. a "so what" response.
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Current game consoles are just snapshots for year 2013, 2016 and 2017 mainstream gaming AMD GPUs.
XBO's IGP was based on Bonaire GCN with 32 MB ESRAM.
PS4's IGP was based on Pitcairn GCN with some of Hawaii's features e.g. 8 ACE units and L2 cache/compute modification. PS4 has R7-265 (Pitcairn Pro refresh) memory bandwidth.
PS4 Pro's IGP was based on Polaris 10 GCN with two Vega features e.g. double rate FP16. Missing Vega's tile cache render and high clock speed features. PS4 Pro has RX-470D memory bandwidth (256 bit GDDR5-7000) which follows AMD's 256bit memory bus PCB GPUs since Pitcairn mainstream gaming SKU.
If the pattern continues, Scorpio's IGP would be based on Vega 11. Scorpio's 384 bit memory bus PCB is above AMD's mainstream gaming PCB with 256 bit bus i.e. recycles 7970/R9-280X's 384 bit bus PCB design..
My point, there's nothing new with your arguments and I already know PC's advantages, but it's not being translated into gaming domination in western market.
Honestly the day consoles do become like PC is the day I just buy a PC and stop worrying about consoles. Look for all the faults a console has it still has one thing over a PC and that is no interpreting hardware specs especially if you don't overly keep up. There are many times I look at getting a game for my personal laptop that is just a basic game and have to think what type processor and video card do I need to make this work and how does mine stack up. Yeah I know you can use sites to compare hardware and such but console gaming for me takes away all of the guess work. Granted one day I do plan to make my own super PC but I'll wait on that day.
PC is great for RTS everything else you better of owning a console. I see online hackers and cheaters wreck multiplayer games and the servers are often not official.
1. According to Digital Foundry, you are better off going PC for every genre.
2. If PC MP was so bad, how come 99% of esports and competitive gaming is PC based? How come Steam has more concurrent than xbl and psn combined? Why are all major online games PC?
It's worth underlining that concurrent users isn't the same as concurrent players. The 14,207,039 number includes users who have Steam running in the background while they're doing other things or away from the PC altogether. Still, the figure is one measurement of Steam's growth over time.
This does not refute my statement(s).
Neither XBL or PSN has the same concurrent USER or PLAYERS as Steam. If PC MP was so bad, it wouldn't be the bastion of competitive gaming, hold over 99% of e-sports, have the biggest/most played online service in the world, and have the biggest/most played games in the world.
PC furthermore has vastly more AAA/AA online games compared to any other system. It has more e-sports and competitive games than any other system.
No systems ONLINE compares. What @loe12k wrote was similiar to calling Micheal Jordan a bad basketball player and that Steven Hawking is better. Bodily untrue and opposite of reality.
To bad PC's advantage didn't translate to market share gaming dominance in the markets outside of China.
1. According to Digital Foundry, you are better off going PC for every genre.
2. If PC MP was so bad, how come 99% of esports and competitive gaming is PC based? How come Steam has more concurrent than xbl and psn combined? Why are all major online games PC?
It's worth underlining that concurrent users isn't the same as concurrent players. The 14,207,039 number includes users who have Steam running in the background while they're doing other things or away from the PC altogether. Still, the figure is one measurement of Steam's growth over time.
This does not refute my statement(s).
Neither XBL or PSN has the same concurrent USER or PLAYERS as Steam. If PC MP was so bad, it wouldn't be the bastion of competitive gaming, hold over 99% of e-sports, have the biggest/most played online service in the world, and have the biggest/most played games in the world.
PC furthermore has vastly more AAA/AA online games compared to any other system. It has more e-sports and competitive games than any other system.
No systems ONLINE compares. What @loe12k wrote was similiar to calling Micheal Jordan a bad basketball player and that Steven Hawking is better. Bodily untrue and opposite of reality.
To bad PC's advantage didn't translate to market share gaming dominance in the markets outside of China.
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http://steamspy.com/country/
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Game console dominates the U.S. market.
Game console dominates on multi-platform EA games.
Game console dominates on multi-platform Ubisoft games.
Game console dominates on multi-platform Activision games.
Most PCs are powered by Intel graphics.
UK = console gaming is higher than PC gaming.
Germany = console gaming is higher than PC gaming.
USA = console gaming is higher than PC gaming.
China = PC gaming is higher than console gaming. This is an artificial construct by the Chinese government to support Chinese gaming software companies such as Net Ease and Tencent. Until recently, Chinese government has restricted non-Chinese game consoles.
It's worth underlining that concurrent users isn't the same as concurrent players. The 14,207,039 number includes users who have Steam running in the background while they're doing other things or away from the PC altogether. Still, the figure is one measurement of Steam's growth over time.
This does not refute my statement(s).
Neither XBL or PSN has the same concurrent USER or PLAYERS as Steam. If PC MP was so bad, it wouldn't be the bastion of competitive gaming, hold over 99% of e-sports, have the biggest/most played online service in the world, and have the biggest/most played games in the world.
PC furthermore has vastly more AAA/AA online games compared to any other system. It has more e-sports and competitive games than any other system.
No systems ONLINE compares. What @loe12k wrote was similiar to calling Micheal Jordan a bad basketball player and that Steven Hawking is better. Bodily untrue and opposite of reality.
To bad PC's advantage didn't translate to market share gaming dominance in the markets outside of China.
NO
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http://steamspy.com/country/
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Game console dominates the U.S. market.
Game console dominates on multi-platform EA games.
Game console dominates on multi-platform Ubisoft games.
Game console dominates on multi-platform Activision games.
Most PCs are powered by Intel graphics.
UK = console gaming is higher than PC gaming.
Germany = console gaming is higher than PC gaming.
USA = console gaming is higher than PC gaming.
China = PC gaming is higher than console gaming. This is an artificial construct by the Chinese government to support Chinese gaming software companies such as Net Ease and Tencent. Until recently, Chinese government has restricted non-Chinese game consoles.
Coincidentally i'm doing an assignment for my masters marketing subject, and these are a lot of the stats' I've been looking for. You guys are awesome :D
I would argue the PS3 was the closest thing to a fully maxed out PC at the time it was released. With the Cell processor, it was a console equipped with a super-computer type processor. It's only minor shortcoming was how complex it was, but I would argue it released with the most power of a console.
I would argue the PS3 was the closest thing to a fully maxed out PC at the time it was released. With the Cell processor, it was a console equipped with a super-computer type processor. It's only minor shortcoming was how complex it was, but I would argue it released with the most power of a console.
For games with similar art work, PS3 didn't deliver games at the same quality as 8800 GS/GT/GTS/GTX/Ultra. G80 is also a HPC math processor.
8800 GS is the lowest SKU for G80/G92. 8800 GS was later re-branded as mainstream 9600 GSO.
ATI X19x0 and NVIDIA G80 destroys STI's CELL with Fold at Home benchmark.
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