Will this be the last time Microsoft uses weakest hardware?

@Krelian-co: and what reasons are those? The Xbox one has better games and all around is a better multi-media device. By the way how's DLNA on PsBore? Why don't you just admit that the console has been selling on pure hype alone. There is absolutely nothing special about it.

Considering Sony's financial problems I thought MS would release the most powerful console of the three this gen. Imagine my surprise when it turned out around half the power I thought it would be. But looking back I guess I shouldn't be too surprised cuz it was designed under Don Mattrick, the worst head the Xbox division has ever had by a long shot. Xbox One's hardware is the swan song to a guy's career that was so disastrous it seemed like intentional sabotage.

But I hope this isn't the last console generation like so many are speculating. Despite phones and streaming consoles are still selling great, outside of Japan anyway.

I think this will be MS' last console.

Mobile-first cloud-first. That's their priority now.

good post Because for the last 3 generations at least it's the weaker hardware thats won out in Exclusive games titles and sales, Ps1, Ps2 and Wii and this gen it's the weakest hardware that has the best quality Exclusive just no the most sales.

The fact that the PS4 is selling the most and is the most powerful hardware is not indicative of more power=more sales,it just happens to havethe most sales and happens to be the most powerful console hardware.

@delta3074: right.. And i dont mean to minimize the latest gaming trend of making a mountain out of the 1080p 60fps molehill, but one would have to surmise that the added attention to early generation performance, coupled with a cheaper price anD high flying momentum following e3 led to a perfect storm of Sony building an early generation advantage.

Microsoft has also played their part in sabotaging their own endeavors... They gambled on kinect which is still glaringly flawed and undesirable, bloated pricing because of it and ALSO a divided focus which led to a less gamer-centric attention to having the most powerful hardware....

I think for us to even entertain the idea that the ps4 is outselling the xone on the sole idea it's "more powerful" is insanely shortsighted.

That just makes the TV your console. Consoles, consoles everywhere. The real question is what happens to PC's at this point...

Of course Nintendo will release earlier, they need it badly; I like Nintendo games, I actually just purchased the new 3DS, hell I even purchased a GameCube last week, but unless I find it dirt cheap will not purchase a WiiU.

I've said it a dozen times before and I'll say it again: Those instances of the less powerful system selling the best were the result of earlier releases, often by a year, sometimes even 2. But when you're both launching in the same month it's gonna be a big plus to be the more powerful machine.

not at all, Ps1 was not the first system in it's generation, the Jaguar and the Saturn released earlier, the only system released After the Ps1 was the N64.

The Ps2 was also not the first system in it's generation, the dreamcast was and the fact that the Ps2 carried on selling and was not discontinued until AFTER the Xbone released would seriously imply that Releasing early was not the only Factor that led to it's success.

They also have another thing in common, regardless of whether they Left the Gate early or not they both had superior games libraries to there competitors.

when you have been gaming as long as i have realize that Games library is the Biggest Draw when it comes to buying a console, the reason the PS4 is selling better than the xbone only a little to do with power it was because SONY marketed there console to gamers, for gamers and they told gamers things they wanted to hear, Microsoft fluffed it by coming out with policies that gamers just plain didn't like.

No Pre-owned games

Always Online DRM

Cannot use console without Kinect

Not a dedicated Gaming system, more of an entertainment hub.

Although MS backtracked and listened to the gamers and changed the message the damage was already done, confusion was already Sown amongst the masses.

Most of the people i know who own either an Xbone or a Ps4 are actually unaware that one is more powerful than the other, it's only people that come to forums like this that really know that kind of shit, Most people just don't care in the real world.

why would you not use the weakest hardware?

weak hardware has always dominated sales charts.

when the ps4 wins this gen it will quite literally be the only time best hardware has ever won.

He ins't a cow he is a lemming...hahahhaaa

No you bough it to play Master chief collection which is also on xbox 360 but on WORKING form instead of a broken state like on xbox one.

Or for multiplatforms like Forza Horizon 2, oh wait wait it was for Sunset over drive which didn't even outscore Resogun..lol

As pathetic as the PS4 line up may seem to you,the xbox one has 70+ less games and is even more pathetic,oh for the last time the PS4 also has more retail games than the xbox one bro,enjoy that drought until september if Phantom Dusk doesn't get delay since i heard rumors of the former developer closing..lol

Gaming is a taste thing what you like is not what i like and you like is not what those PS4 owners like,if gamers wanted a weak cable box wanna be console or its games the xbox one would be selling better now,hell not even at $50 cheaper is selling better any more...lol

Best damn comeback of the year so far....Kudos... and nice point..

@tormentos:

And here we go. Awesome. You are listing MC scores and saying PS4 line up is better because of it. But it isn't FOR ME. I DONT PLAY MC SCORES. I PLAY GAMES, AND THE PS4 DOESNT HAVE MANY I WANT TO RIGHT NOW.

You're so funny with the MC score thing dude. You only use the GS scores when talking about Ryse or MCC, even though their MC scores are significantly higher; how ever you only use the MC scores for TLOU.........................hmmm that's peculiar.

being weaker than ps4 is not their problem...kinect, price point, bad execs/ pr and lack of first party ips is what is hurting them. They have remedied some of their problems already

and im only responding to topic title since everything ive read from op has been pretty stupid

This will be microsofts last console. Investors are tired of losing $2 Billion each year and losing every gen.

lol he also sends pm to you? here i thought i was special :(

this kid has some serious issues xD

Six so far, three of them in a row. What a nutjob.

Good then because the PS4 just receive and exclusive and since you don't care about score that is something,vs the nothingnes on xbox one until september.

That is the point again you are a lemming so yeah you like xbox games and for you the PS4 has non,yet people still buy more the PS4 so they see something you don't that is taste for you.

I can use Gamespot score for TLOU and still shit on MCC score and Ryse to.. hehehe...

@tormentos:

But you don't. Because we all remember your meltdown about the review hehehohohaha. Still didn't answer the question, why do you choose to use MC in your posts for some games but GS for others?

I think that's true if it were a system-wide thing. There are some games that don't make it to 900p on PS4 and there are some games that do make it to 1080P on Xbox One. I understand your reasoning. I just think it has a negligible effect.

2 out of 3 times they had the most power. 1 out of 3 times they were 2nd. 0 out of 3 they were the weakest.

As others have said it isn't the weakest, and power really doesn't dictate success. The PS2, Wii, DS, 3DS and PS1 were all weaker than the competition yet sold the most units.

The important thing is making sure that they have good press around their next console launch and more importantly a competitive price. If the Xbone released $50 cheaper than the PS4 and they didn't have so much negative press before launch, I think both would be very close right now with the PS4 edging it worldwide. Considering that the Xbone launched/is $50 more and had awful press it is doing really well right now.

The power difference isn't an issue for the Xbone at all, nobody outside of system war like sites care about pixel counting websites. The Xbone is competitive enough with the PS4 so that it will receive every third party game the PS4 will get and it will play the same (Texture detail and resolution may suffer on Xbone, but you will get the same experience).

I concur.

It may be their last time making a console at all. At the very least I think they learned from this gen that packing it expensive pointless gimmicks does nothing but raise the price and lower your market share (both WiiU and XB1 have shown this). Although, I'm still absolutely shocked at the complete incompetence MS showed when starting this gen. I had dismissed all the pre-announcement rumors as click bait drivel and then MS comes out and confirms the vast majority of them and I was floored at the stupidity on display. So, who knows.

They have the money to lose. They f8ckedup this gen. If they're smart (and every big corporation but Nintendo IS), they will invest a lot in tech next gen.

Xbox has weaker hardware?

@ProtossX: they have never used the weakest hardware .Xbox. Was leaps and bounds stronger then ps2 .so much I couldn't stand to play my ps2. After I got a Xbox . 360 ran games better then ps3 .

Xbox one can do stuff ps4 can't like add pretty much anything people want with a update .also it's stonger graphic wise then Wii u and 360 was stronger then Wii .

Xbox has never been the weakest console of its gen. The original Xbox was actually the most powerful, far beyond Dreamcast and PS2, and more powerful than even the GameCube; the Xbox 360 was pretty neck and neck with the PS3, which only beats it in theoretical power, and in any case, it was more powerful than the Wii. The Xbox One is admittedly demonstrably weaker than the PS4, but it is still far more powerful than the Wii U.

I think all consoles will continue doing a terribel hardware all profit approach unless someone goes crazy. In 5=6 years from now games could be run 5x better, and I'm sure the expense for a significant jump will be HUGE.

Also Xbox has never had the weakest hardware.

PS3 owned the 360 pretty hard at the end of that gen. No way they had the most power 2 out of 3 times

all you have to do is look at games like skyrim, fallout, and even mass effect to see the PS3 struggled running large games. a big part was the fact only 256MB of RAM was available to games. The PS3 was (marginally) weaker then the 360. all the MPs showed it. The exclusives were pretty close. but hey even with the PS4 more powerful, even a hardcore cow can't say anything definitely looks better then ryse.

Who know's if it will be their last, they have the money to make as many as they want just be smarter with the launch next time and they won't have to start from the back.

Actually the PS3 didn't have conventional RAM and the Devs had a bus that connected all 512MB of RAM. The 256MB of XDR RAM ran at 3.2Gz and the other 256MB of GDDR3 ran at 700MHz and both were accessible to devs, so games weren't limited to 256MB of RAM, but accessing the other 256MB RAM was more difficult than it should have been for publishers slapping their games across PS360. Looking back, a lot of devs didn't bother. It wasn't financially viable.

Publishers/Devs should not have had to make custom engines that took advantage of funky PS3 hardware and many didn't which is why there was an issue with games designed on other machines and placed on PS3 as an afterthought. This is why PS3 exclusives, designed ground up with custom engines to use the PS3's 512MB of RAM looked so great by comparison (MGS4, GOW3, Uncharted 2, The Last of Us, etc).

One thing is for sure, it was incredibly easier for developers on 360 due to it's use of a unified memory structure of the 512MB of RAM with no tricks needed.

the 360 also had EDRAM, but yes it was much easier to dev for. not so much because of the RAM, but because of the Cell.

Yes, the RAM architecture wasn't the only hurdle with PS3 development, the Cell as you noted was powerful but problematic to exploit.

The tech was good in the cell, it just was too foreign for people to waste resources learning how to get the most out of it. The hardware itself was good, but sony's decision in using it was poor.

Yep, I completely agree.