Windows 7 has 1 new feature that will change PC gaming significantly.

1 though just 1...here it is. http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/dd285359.aspx

its known as "Windows Advanced Rasterization Platform" and it allows the CPU to render directX....meaning that pre-built computers (which often have powerfull CPU's but low end GPU's) will actually be able to play demanding games at basic levels.

thats good news

Will this benefit rigs with a good GPU and CPU?

Will this benefit rigs with a good GPU and CPU?

EVOLV3

I cant see why it wouldnt?

either way, Windows 7 is far better optimized, meaning you will get a noticable performence bumb anyway.

Sounds good

good news. Hopfully it works out in the end unlike that stupid rating system in vista.

The minimum specification for WARP10 is the same as Windows Vista, specifically:

• Minimum 800MHz CPU.
• MMX, SSE or SSE2 is *not* required
• Minimum 512MB of RAM.

Is that a big joke? Vista running on that? HAHAHAHAHA!:lol:

Im not sure you understand what this is about.

This isnt meant for games. Its meant for intensive applications that could benefit from GPU processing, like video/image editors, or 3d modelling applications. Many of these applications dont bother actually implenting DirectX processsing because it adds a layer of complexitiy and instability to their products. Warp10 could remove that instability layer.

But for gaming this isn't likely to be used for anything beyond 2D games and very simple 3D ones.

this isnt going to do anything for PC gaming really.

Im not sure you understand what this is about.

This isnt meant for games. Its meant for intensive applications that could benefit from GPU processing, like video/image editors, or 3d modelling applications. Many of these applications dont bother actually implenting DirectX processsing because it adds a layer of complexitiy and instability to their products. Warp10 could remove that instability layer.

But for gaming this isn't likely to be used for anything beyond 2D games and very simple 3D ones.

this isnt going to do anything for PC gaming really.

XaosII

not according to Brad Wardell

http://www.shacknews.com/onearticle.x/59187

1 though just 1...here it is.

its known as "Windows Advanced Rasterization Platform" and it allows the CPU to render directX....meaning that pre-built computers (which often have powerfull CPU's but low end GPU's) will actually be able to play demanding games at basic levels.

cobrax75

So one of the big features of Windows 7, is softwear rendering?

screw it, i'm sticking with OS X and XP.

Has not let me down yet, and my AOE3 is looking good with PhysX.

So, would this benefit people with crappy intergraded graphics?Tjeremiah1988

No, they are already doing this.

GMA FTW!!!!11111

[QUOTE="Tjeremiah1988"]So, would this benefit people with crappy intergraded graphics?Irick_cb

No, they are already doing this.

GMA FTW!!!!11111

Ok.

But can they make GFWL work a little better?

how so?Tjeremiah1988

GMA hardware prior to the 3 series lacked a lot of stuff in hardware, like vertex shaders and hardware T&L.

It was all done in software.

I'm sure it will also make a bunch of our favorite games unplayable too.

Every release of Window brings annyoing compatiblity problems.

That sounds great. Lets hope that Windows 7 wont the the same F-U to consumers that Vista was.clubsammich91

Of course it won't.

It will be the F-U home premium.

er, ultimate.

....

whatever the hell version you get.

Thats good, but CPUs do not have the architecture to handle the graphics of modern games...

You wouldn't be able to use WARP for games or anything that relied on graphics performance...it's just meant to be a fallback that you can use if the client machine doesn't have graphics hardware that supports the features you need. Even crappy integrated chips will still outperform a CPU running WARP.

Also...I think I've officially seen everything now that someone made a thread linking to MSDN in System Wars. Thanks for that. :)

[QUOTE="Tjeremiah1988"]how so?Irick_cb

GMA hardware prior to the 3 series lacked a lot of stuff in hardware, like vertex shaders and hardware T&L.

It was all done in software.

Windows 7 is awsome all around, most poeple are already getting 7fps more in games in the RC stage (I don't think it has anything to do with this). Now if they just got something like openCL so the GPU could help out the processor.

I'm still pissed. It's like they release Vista knowing that ppl will do anything to get rid of it and jump to the next OS. taker42

Whats wrong with Vista?

[QUOTE="EVOLV3"]

Will this benefit rigs with a good GPU and CPU?

cobrax75

I cant see why it wouldnt?

either way, Windows 7 is far better optimized, meaning you will get a noticable performence bumb anyway.

I'm still pissed. It's like they release Vista knowing that ppl will do anything to get rid of it and jump to the next OS. taker42

Windows typically last 3 years. XP to Vista was the longest due to security exploits and development delays.

1 though just 1...here it is. http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/dd285359.aspx

its known as "Windows Advanced Rasterization Platform" and it allows the CPU to render directX....meaning that pre-built computers (which often have powerfull CPU's but low end GPU's) will actually be able to play demanding games at basic levels.

I may be wrong but I remember seeing an article that showed that an i7 could run Crysis on low settings at like 800x600 at 15fps. I'll try to find the link.

http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/windows-cpu-gpu,news-29755.html

My bad it was at a max of 15 fps and avg of 7.

You wouldn't be able to use WARP for games or anything that relied on graphics performance...it's just meant to be a fallback that you can use if the client machine doesn't have graphics hardware that supports the features you need. Even crappy integrated chips will still outperform a CPU running WARP.

Also...I think I've officially seen everything now that someone made a thread linking to MSDN in System Wars. Thanks for that. :)

Teufelhuhn

This guy is telling the truth, in fact Teuf always does. Don't believe that a CPU could do as much as a GPU in terms of graphics unless it is teh Cell :P I'll stick to my lovely OS X and my ol' Win XP.

I dunno why many people go with Win OS's (other than gamers) although other OS's are available and many of which are free and better. It is not like M$ is the only company providing us with OS's. Guys, try trying Ubuntu, OpenSolaris, Fedora or other linux distributions (Kubuntu, YDL...etc). I find Ubuntu to be be fantastic and the main strength of such OS is that it is powered by the community, each person could change and improve upon that OS which makes it a better choice.
I was amazed when I first installed Ubuntu on my laptop and all of my hardware were working fine without any need to install drivers.
It is just a humble advise for those who didn't use such a great OS (or used it for a few days only). :)

I dunno why many people go with Win OS's (other than gamers) although other OS's are available and many of which are free and better. It is not like M$ is the only company providing us with OS's. Guys, try trying Ubuntu, OpenSolaris, Fedora or other linux distributions (Kubuntu, YDL...etc). I find Ubuntu to be be fantastic and the main strength of such OS is that it is powered by the community, each person could change and improve upon that OS which makes it a better choice.
I was amazed when I first installed Ubuntu on my laptop and all of my hardware were working fine without any need to install drivers.
It is just a humble advise for those who didn't use such a great OS (or used it for a few days only). :)

abuabed

Why are you preaching about OS which can't run 99% of the games on a board discussing about games on a topic discussing about running a game on certain OS? Don't you find it atleast a bit weird and tiny bit offtopic?

[QUOTE="taker42"]I'm still pissed. It's like they release Vista knowing that ppl will do anything to get rid of it and jump to the next OS. XaosII

Whats wrong with Vista?

[QUOTE="abuabed"]

I dunno why many people go with Win OS's (other than gamers) although other OS's are available and many of which are free and better. It is not like M$ is the only company providing us with OS's. Guys, try trying Ubuntu, OpenSolaris, Fedora or other linux distributions (Kubuntu, YDL...etc). I find Ubuntu to be be fantastic and the main strength of such OS is that it is powered by the community, each person could change and improve upon that OS which makes it a better choice.
I was amazed when I first installed Ubuntu on my laptop and all of my hardware were working fine without any need to install drivers.
It is just a humble advise for those who didn't use such a great OS (or used it for a few days only). :)

Chofee

Why are you preaching about OS which can't run 99% of the games on a board discussing about games on a topic discussing about running a game on certain OS? Don't you find it atleast a bit weird and tiny bit offtopic?

Am I the only one who liked Vista? i thought it was great once alot of the bugs were fixed.

Am I the only one who liked Vista? i thought it was great once alot of the bugs were fixed.

Film-Guy

[QUOTE="Film-Guy"]

Am I the only one who liked Vista? i thought it was great once alot of the bugs were fixed.

abuabed

[QUOTE="abuabed"][QUOTE="Film-Guy"]

Am I the only one who liked Vista? i thought it was great once alot of the bugs were fixed.

HuusAsking

that feature enables features on computers without dx10 hardware to be render at software level. Dont expect games to be anywhere playable using software rendering.

Having said that and after playing with windows 7 RC for a month now they feel faster than vista they are more refined than vista ,is a step in the right direction and when it comes to gaming they are almost as fast as xp and the version i'm trying is still the RC candidate so expect more performance out of them at release and at first service pack

I dunno why many people go with Win OS's (other than gamers) although other OS's are available and many of which are free and better. It is not like M$ is the only company providing us with OS's. Guys, try trying Ubuntu, OpenSolaris, Fedora or other linux distributions (Kubuntu, YDL...etc). I find Ubuntu to be be fantastic and the main strength of such OS is that it is powered by the community, each person could change and improve upon that OS which makes it a better choice.
I was amazed when I first installed Ubuntu on my laptop and all of my hardware were working fine without any need to install drivers.
It is just a humble advise for those who didn't use such a great OS (or used it for a few days only). :)

abuabed

Microsoft has the market for a reason, they provide quiality and a nice build quality. none of the operating systems you mentioned even come close to the quality of microsoft operating systems, and trust me windows 7 craps all over vista in everything and from what i have read is arguably better than xp in all cases.

[QUOTE="abuabed"]

I dunno why many people go with Win OS's (other than gamers) although other OS's are available and many of which are free and better. It is not like M$ is the only company providing us with OS's. Guys, try trying Ubuntu, OpenSolaris, Fedora or other linux distributions (Kubuntu, YDL...etc). I find Ubuntu to be be fantastic and the main strength of such OS is that it is powered by the community, each person could change and improve upon that OS which makes it a better choice.
I was amazed when I first installed Ubuntu on my laptop and all of my hardware were working fine without any need to install drivers.
It is just a humble advise for those who didn't use such a great OS (or used it for a few days only). :)

chris_yz80

Microsoft has the market for a reason, they provide quiality and a nice build quality. none of the operating systems you mentioned even come close to the quality of microsoft operating systems, and trust me windows 7 craps all over vista in everything and from what i have read is arguably better than xp in all cases.

[QUOTE="chris_yz80"]

[QUOTE="abuabed"]

I dunno why many people go with Win OS's (other than gamers) although other OS's are available and many of which are free and better. It is not like M$ is the only company providing us with OS's. Guys, try trying Ubuntu, OpenSolaris, Fedora or other linux distributions (Kubuntu, YDL...etc). I find Ubuntu to be be fantastic and the main strength of such OS is that it is powered by the community, each person could change and improve upon that OS which makes it a better choice.
I was amazed when I first installed Ubuntu on my laptop and all of my hardware were working fine without any need to install drivers.
It is just a humble advise for those who didn't use such a great OS (or used it for a few days only). :)

abuabed

Microsoft has the market for a reason, they provide quiality and a nice build quality. none of the operating systems you mentioned even come close to the quality of microsoft operating systems, and trust me windows 7 craps all over vista in everything and from what i have read is arguably better than xp in all cases.

I have, actually; various Linux distros, namely. They look like and are useful in limited circumstances, but each and every time I drift back to Windows. The support just isn't there.

HuusAsking

True, each OS is useful in certain cases and yes linux needs more support, the reason is Win XP became the mainstream for a long time now and most people got used to it so by default they'll go to Vista. I use all, the best of the three worlds, (XP, OS X, Ubuntu). Each has its own share of pros and cons but for me Windows is the least used OS (for gaming and college programs). Mac OS X is the main OS because it is fast(although my XP rig is much more powerful) and is very stable, Ubuntu is there when I get sick of both :D

Btw, even if the support is not as good as the one in Windows it doesn't mean the OS is not as good, some programs or applications can be found on different OS's and some OS's main interface, usability, ease of use and functionality make up for that. True, if you need those programs you'll have to switch to the other OS but for my daily use Mac OS X or Ubuntu are more than enough.

IT is a matter of choice but I'm just getting sick of people who didn't try any other OS stating that Windows is the best.

I dunno why many people go with Win OS's (other than gamers) although other OS's are available and many of which are free and better. It is not like M$ is the only company providing us with OS's. Guys, try trying Ubuntu, OpenSolaris, Fedora or other linux distributions (Kubuntu, YDL...etc). I find Ubuntu to be be fantastic and the main strength of such OS is that it is powered by the community, each person could change and improve upon that OS which makes it a better choice.
I was amazed when I first installed Ubuntu on my laptop and all of my hardware were working fine without any need to install drivers.
It is just a humble advise for those who didn't use such a great OS (or used it for a few days only). :)

abuabed

It's pretty obvious, actually: Windows is objectively the most "useful" operating system for a consumer. Its software library is unparalleled..and when you get down to it: people use software programs..the operating system just acts as a layer necessary to run software.

I've tinkered around with Linux a bit (real distros, i.e. not Ubuntu), and while I love the do-it-yourself feeling it brings (I actually just burned Arch to a disc, going to start on a new install when I get the time), I don't feel that it'll replace Windows for me anytime soon simply because the software library isn't there. Yeah, you can use compatability layers to run Windows software on Linux..but it's a hassle first and foremost, and even then very few programs function at 100% capacity.

OS X, while it has some great software, is a bit worse in that respect (which is what Bootcamp is for.) As far as software library: OS X has all the basics and not a whole lot else (what little specialized software it does have can also be run on Windows, or at least has a Windows equivalent..with the single exception of Final Cut.) As I heard someone say recently: it's the perfect netbook OS. You'd never catch me using it on a desktop machine, however.

I saw this a while back and I don't think it is useful at all, CPUs are so weak it takes an I7 to get around the performance you would expect from the lowest integrated. There is a reason we moved away from the CPU for running graphics.

If you want to see something from Windows 7 that will revolutionize gaming; try the compute shader in DX11.