Windows 8 vs Windows 7: Dispelling myths.

[QUOTE="tagyhag"]It does absolutely nothing for me to need the upgrade. Plagueless

[QUOTE="04dcarraher"][QUOTE="XaosII"]

Yeah, and i've had Windows 8 for a few months myself. You are very much wrong. I cant think of anything in Windows 8 that takes longer than Windows 7 does.

I'd love to hear somethhing more specific.

hexashadow13

[QUOTE="hexashadow13"][QUOTE="04dcarraher"]04dcarraher

Let's see. I have a spare Windows Vista and a spare Windows 7 (retail) licenses plus an unused Windows 7 Upgrade Family pack (3 licenses). I don't need Windows 8 yet.

[QUOTE="Plagueless"][QUOTE="tagyhag"]It does absolutely nothing for me to need the upgrade. KungfuKitten

[QUOTE="hexashadow13"][QUOTE="04dcarraher"]04dcarraher

[QUOTE="Plagueless"][QUOTE="tagyhag"]It does absolutely nothing for me to need the upgrade. lx_theo

The price and improvements over Win7 were enough for me.

I would never go back to that bloated and slow Win 7.

aw... still defending Win 8? Defenders will just reply with the same excuses. The Win 8 UI is awful simply because it was a mandate from Sinofsky etc, it's not the result of any usability studies or efforts to make the UI more usable. There are plenty of good intentions, combined with awful execution and user experience. Windows 8 is clearly a "one size fits all" rush-job that was driven in a dictatorial fashion by its main-overseer at Microsoft, Steven Sinofsky (the man "left" the company shortly after the Win8 debute. Signs and wonders). Countless of people have raised their voices on the official Windows 8 blog when the OS was in development, yet the dev team and Sinofsky did demonstratively ignored the highly technical issues that were brought up and only answered the simplistic ones. As a desktop OS its awful Microsoft put away the start button. If you click on the hidden start button, you're back to the Metro interface. It's a jarring experience. They want you to force going Metro, yet the whole Metro and WinRT experience is so limited and smart phoney, Metro apps are castrated like the mail app it can't handle the most common mail protocol, yet MS forces you to use them (the default image/video/music viewers/players are awkward Metro apps in W8.. even in desktop mode. Ya its so much better :roll:04dcarraher

"Why is it so bad"

"Because it is"

"Can you be more specific"

"Because Microsoft made it so."

You should win debate awards.

I have no particular interest in Microsoft's internal politics. Im asking you to explain to me why you think its so bad, especially when i've told you several times already that the most efficient way to use the start menu has been windows key + the ifrst few letters of the applciation and hit enter; That's been the same since Vista. Some options have moved around, but i've counted the steps/clicks it takes to get to them and its either the same or less.

Your only complaint has been that the built in applications are sub-par? You mean the ones that are totally optional and actually exist unlike the base version of previous Windows?

[QUOTE="04dcarraher"]Windows 8 does not have the identical usability of its older predecessors. it takes longer to find things, you have to switch back and forward to get to certain features and options. Its a hassle. XaosII

Uh... Thats awfully nondescript and untrue.

At worst, it "takes longer" because it has moved to a different location but it would take the same or fewer steps/clicks to perform the same action. Its not a hassle. You just havent figured out how to properly use it.

It's very true. My friend built a computer with windows 8. It takes longer to get to everything and UI is indeed slower and laggy. Windows 7 UI was faster with 2 years of crap accumulated than windows 8. Settings/Control panel take longer to get too and the metro settings list is bland and hard to read. Windows 8 is a bloated POS right now, not getting a new OS until they make a proper one without the metro tablet BS that I'll never use. YoshiYogurt

Not a single thing you've said is true. Windows 8 is consistently faster than Windows 7 when it comes to its UI.

Settings/Control has moved options around, but i can promise you it takes the same if not less clicks than in Windows 7 or Vista. Prove me wrong.

[QUOTE="YoshiYogurt"] It's very true. My friend built a computer with windows 8. It takes longer to get to everything and UI is indeed slower and laggy. Windows 7 UI was faster with 2 years of crap accumulated than windows 8. Settings/Control panel take longer to get too and the metro settings list is bland and hard to read. Windows 8 is a bloated POS right now, not getting a new OS until they make a proper one without the metro tablet BS that I'll never use. XaosII

Not a single thing you've said is true. Windows 8 is consistently faster than Windows 7 when it comes to its UI.

Settings/Control has moved options around, but i can promise you it takes the same if not less clicks than in Windows 7 or Vista. Prove me wrong.

Because it doesn't provide a substantial update in the context of gaming. Like how i went from XP to Windows 7 64. That's what i call a significant update, and a required one to play new games that dropped XP support, and play them at their utmost 'oomph'. What, i should just shell out money for a little performance increase and a minuscule DirectX update that's not even going to be noticeable in the first place? Though to each their own, even tho i wouldn't, i understand why some might.

Also another reason for me is that it hasn't ben that long since i switched to 7, and i've grown comfortable with it. Leaving your comfort zone isn't a small feat to do, unlike what some arrogant people may think.

Yet another reason is that all the old games (and i do play a ton of them), albeit some tweaked, work great, and i don't have the guarantee that they'll work as good in Windows 8. Hell, feedback has ben negative in this regard from a lot of people that use Windows 8.

There, three good, personal reasons.

Let's say it's just as fast(it wasn't when I used it), It still looks awful. I prefer the classic start menu style.YoshiYogurt

It is just fast if not faster. But since you are disguisted by the UI, let me ask you something: How often do you spend time in the start menu and/or control panel so much that this is such a deal breaker?

I dont know what you people do that you spend such a significant portion of your day to day computing activities that an insignificant change to the UI (again, the most effective way to use the start menu hasnt hcnaged since Vista) that its so important. I would've thought a half-thinking person would've already realized the ability to place icons on their desktop and/or pin programs to the taskbar to require entering the start menu a minimal activity.

Because it doesn't provide a substantial update in the context of gaming. Like how i went from XP to Windows 7 64. That's what i call a significant update, and a required one to play new games that dropped XP support, and play them at their utmost 'oomph'. What, i should just shell out money for a little performance increase and a minuscule DirectX update that's not even going to be noticeable in the first place? Though to each their own, even tho i wouldn't, i understand why some might.

Also another reason for me is that it hasn't ben that long since i switched to 7, and i've grown comfortable with it. Leaving your comfort zone isn't a small feat to do, unlike what some arrogant people may think.

Yet another reason is that all the old games (and i do play a ton of them), albeit some tweaked, work great, and i don't have the guarantee that they'll work as good in Windows 8. Hell, feedback has ben negative in this regard from a lot of people that use Windows 8.

There, three good, personal reasons.

Lucianu

1) You're argument would've been stronger had you just left it at "I dont want to pay for an upgrade" instead of essentially saying "i dont want to pay because i dont know what it does." No one is forcing it down your throat. Do a little research to decide whether it holds value for you or not; there are far more features than what you've listed.

2) Being afraid of change has nothing to do with whether or not the product is good or bad. That's not Window's fault - that's yours.

3) If it works on Windows 7 it'll pretty much work on Windows 8. 8 is based off 7 (which was based off Vista). I can't gaurantee you that it will work on 8, but every older title i've tried that has worked on 7 has worked on 8.

The Metro UI is horrible to use if your not on a touch screen. Everything about it is designed for touch screens! What was wrong with the classic desktop, you know the one that is used on nearly all Window's OS since 95 if not earlier. Linux still use the classic GUI interface, as does OSX. Why did MS decide to force users to use this abomination? clyde46

From my personal experience, Windows 8 as a desktop OS is junk compared to 7. Having to shuffle your way through metro to get to certain places and features, Major lack of backwards compatibility for older games compared to 7. Every XP era game I tried had graphical glitches or wouldn't run at all while using latest drivers. Once back to 7 all issues were gone. With Win 8 they removed alot of the legacy coding that makes older programs and games work.

04dcarraher

You haven't ever used Windows 8 for any extensive period of personal use. Have you?

Win7 + Classic Shell is all you will need04dcarraher

Oh. I get it. You're one of *those* people. Those who are stubborn and once they become comfortable with a concept or an idea they refuse to see anything else, even if it might be better, as actually being better.

The kind of people that would own a "Windows 95 For Life" tee shirt.

[QUOTE="Lucianu"]

Because it doesn't provide a substantial update in the context of gaming. Like how i went from XP to Windows 7 64. That's what i call a significant update, and a required one to play new games that dropped XP support, and play them at their utmost 'oomph'. What, i should just shell out money for a little performance increase and a minuscule DirectX update that's not even going to be noticeable in the first place? Though to each their own, even tho i wouldn't, i understand why some might.

Also another reason for me is that it hasn't ben that long since i switched to 7, and i've grown comfortable with it. Leaving your comfort zone isn't a small feat to do, unlike what some arrogant people may think.

Yet another reason is that all the old games (and i do play a ton of them), albeit some tweaked, work great, and i don't have the guarantee that they'll work as good in Windows 8. Hell, feedback has ben negative in this regard from a lot of people that use Windows 8.

There, three good, personal reasons.

XaosII

1) You're argument would've been stronger had you just left it at "I dont want to pay for an upgrade" instead of essentially saying "i dont want to pay because i dont know what it does." No one is forcing it down your throat. Do a little research to decide whether it holds value for you or not; there are far more features than what you've listed.

2) Being afraid of change has nothing to do with whether or not the product is good or bad. That's not Window's fault - that's yours.

There's a difference between change for the better and change just to change to keep it flashy and hip.

3) If it works on Windows 7 it'll pretty much work on Windows 8. 8 is based off 7 (which was based off Vista). I can't gaurantee you that it will work on 8, but every older title i've tried that has worked on 7 has worked on 8.

False, every XP era game Ive tired had graphical glitches or wouldnt run at all even with compatibility options. However put Windows 7 back solved all issues, clearly shows Win 8 does not have all the bells an whistles that 7 had.

[QUOTE="04dcarraher"]

From my personal experience, Windows 8 as a desktop OS is junk compared to 7. Having to shuffle your way through metro to get to certain places and features, Major lack of backwards compatibility for older games compared to 7. Every XP era game I tried had graphical glitches or wouldn't run at all while using latest drivers. Once back to 7 all issues were gone. With Win 8 they removed alot of the legacy coding that makes older programs and games work.

Zophar87

You haven't ever used Windows 8 for any extensive period of personal use. Have you?

[QUOTE="04dcarraher"] Win7 + Classic Shell is all you will needXaosII

Oh. I get it. You're one of *those* people. Those who are stubborn and once they become comfortable with a concept or an idea they refuse to see anything else, even if it might be better, as actually being better.

The kind of people that would own a "Windows 95 For Life" tee shirt.

There's a difference between change for the better and change just to change to keep it flashy and hip.

False, every XP era game Ive tired had graphical glitches or wouldnt run at all even with compatibility options. However put Windows 7 back solved all issues, clearly shows Win 8 does not have all the bells an whistles that 7 had.

04dcarraher

Funny. theres a laundry list of improvements on Windows 8 that don't involve Metro. So no, its change for the better. Your inability to cope with change isn't the fault of the product.

Well, since you clearly mentioned that you had only used Windows 8 during the developer preview which was even a few months before the consumer preview and there were no official Windows 8 drivers, then yeah, its probably reasonable to expect a few issues. The vast majority of older games i've tried worked just as well as they did on 7. Of course, i happen to have the sense to use the actual release version and judge it from that instead of an early pre-release version.

[QUOTE="04dcarraher"]

There's a difference between change for the better and change just to change to keep it flashy and hip.

False, every XP era game Ive tired had graphical glitches or wouldnt run at all even with compatibility options. However put Windows 7 back solved all issues, clearly shows Win 8 does not have all the bells an whistles that 7 had.

XaosII

Funny. theres a laundry list of improvements on Windows 8 that don't involve Metro. So no, its change for the better. Your inability to cope with change isn't the fault of the product.

Well, since you clearly mentioned that you had only used Windows 8 during the developer preview which was even a few months before the consumer preview and there were no official Windows 8 drivers, then yeah, its probably reasonable to expect a few issues. The vast majority of older games i've tried worked just as well as they did on 7. Of course, i happen to have the sense to use the actual release version and judge it from that instead of an early pre-release version.

[QUOTE="hexashadow13"][QUOTE="clyde46"].(Not my pic, one I found on /g/)clyde46

So where is exactly is the problem with the picture and/or VLC?

:lol: I have a laptop with 8 so Ive used the real version and its pointless.04dcarraher

I have a desktop with Windows 8 and its not. Very convincing evidence.

[QUOTE="Lucianu"]

Because it doesn't provide a substantial update in the context of gaming. Like how i went from XP to Windows 7 64. That's what i call a significant update, and a required one to play new games that dropped XP support, and play them at their utmost 'oomph'. What, i should just shell out money for a little performance increase and a minuscule DirectX update that's not even going to be noticeable in the first place? Though to each their own, even tho i wouldn't, i understand why some might.

Also another reason for me is that it hasn't ben that long since i switched to 7, and i've grown comfortable with it. Leaving your comfort zone isn't a small feat to do, unlike what some arrogant people may think.

Yet another reason is that all the old games (and i do play a ton of them), albeit some tweaked, work great, and i don't have the guarantee that they'll work as good in Windows 8. Hell, feedback has ben negative in this regard from a lot of people that use Windows 8.

There, three good, personal reasons.

XaosII

1) You're argument would've been stronger had you just left it at "I dont want to pay for an upgrade" instead of essentially saying "i dont want to pay because i dont know what it does." No one is forcing it down your throat. Do a little research to decide whether it holds value for you or not; there are far more features than what you've listed.

2) Being afraid of change has nothing to do with whether or not the product is good or bad. That's not Window's fault - that's yours.

3) If it works on Windows 7 it'll pretty much work on Windows 8. 8 is based off 7 (which was based off Vista). I can't gaurantee you that it will work on 8, but every older title i've tried that has worked on 7 has worked on 8.

Just to be sure you don't missinterpret anything, i did write 'in the context of gaming'. Exactly, no one is forcing anything down my throat, hence why i don't care about upgrading to Windows 8. I did a little research, why the hell would anyone post in this thread if he hadn't? Minus dumbasses that seek attention. I've read articles about how gaming is on this new OS and checked out benchmarks, which is the only thing i cando because for me to fully comprehend Windows 8, i would need to experience it myself, or go to someones that uses it, and no soul i know has it.. Some games perform better, wile some perform exactly the same. Doesn't sound like a substantial increase to me. And this excluding the oceanic differences in hardware from one dude to another that will cause some semblence of a difference of performance.

Well no sh*t, ofcourse it's my fault. To leave your comfort zone is something tied only to you. And that's ultimately what's going to decide if you wanna jump towards something unfamiliar. Read the last sentence in my post, it contains the word 'personal' there. I didn't add it just to waste 2 seconds of my life.

Your experience is fully noted, though i'm gonna need a lot of more feedback. Since that's not what i see from the people that posted here.

[QUOTE="Zophar87"]

[QUOTE="04dcarraher"]

From my personal experience, Windows 8 as a desktop OS is junk compared to 7. Having to shuffle your way through metro to get to certain places and features, Major lack of backwards compatibility for older games compared to 7. Every XP era game I tried had graphical glitches or wouldn't run at all while using latest drivers. Once back to 7 all issues were gone. With Win 8 they removed alot of the legacy coding that makes older programs and games work.

04dcarraher

You haven't ever used Windows 8 for any extensive period of personal use. Have you?

Then you'd know that your initial point is completely wrong. Once you configure and arrange the metro, it's no different than your basic Windows 7 desktop.

[QUOTE="04dcarraher"]

[QUOTE="Zophar87"]

You haven't ever used Windows 8 for any extensive period of personal use. Have you?

Zophar87

Then you'd know that your initial point is completely wrong. Once you configure and arrange the metro, it's no different than your basic Windows 7 desktop.

[QUOTE="Zophar87"]

[QUOTE="04dcarraher"] :lol: been toying with 8 ever since previews and actually have a laptop with 8, removed it since it gave nothing but issues with older games and UI is incoherent for any real use for desktops.

04dcarraher

Then you'd know that your initial point is completely wrong. Once you configure and arrange the metro, it's no different than your basic Windows 7 desktop.

[QUOTE="Zophar87"]

[QUOTE="04dcarraher"] :lol: been toying with 8 ever since previews and actually have a laptop with 8, removed it since it gave nothing but issues with older games and UI is incoherent for any real use for desktops.

04dcarraher

Then you'd know that your initial point is completely wrong. Once you configure and arrange the metro, it's no different than your basic Windows 7 desktop.

How is it different? You navigate it the the same manor and open programs the same exact way. It just looks radically different, but at it's core, the way it functions is no different. Once again, you've never used Windows 8 and if you have then you used it for maybe 30min and then switched OS because you have no idea what you're talking about.

[QUOTE="04dcarraher"]:lol: I have a laptop with 8 so Ive used the real version and its pointless.XaosII

I have a desktop with Windows 8 and its not. Very convincing evidence.

[QUOTE="XaosII"]

[QUOTE="04dcarraher"]:lol: I have a laptop with 8 so Ive used the real version and its pointless.04dcarraher

I have a desktop with Windows 8 and its not. Very convincing evidence.

I see that MS has windows 8 pro upgrade for sale for $40 until january 30th. Should I upgrade from 7? Honestly

[QUOTE="XaosII"]

[QUOTE="04dcarraher"]:lol: I have a laptop with 8 so Ive used the real version and its pointless.04dcarraher

I have a desktop with Windows 8 and its not. Very convincing evidence.

[QUOTE="XaosII"]

[QUOTE="04dcarraher"]:lol: I have a laptop with 8 so Ive used the real version and its pointless.04dcarraher

I have a desktop with Windows 8 and its not. Very convincing evidence.

I have never and I will never get any Window before SP1 or Sp2 released

[QUOTE="04dcarraher"][QUOTE="XaosII"]

I have a desktop with Windows 8 and its not. Very convincing evidence.

MBirdy88

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Linux is the future I think.

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