WIRED confirms that Wii software outsold 360 software in December NPD

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#1 gomanthethird
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http://blog.wired.com/games/2008/01/npd-analysis-ga.html

"More interestingly, reports indicate that Wii software actually outsold Xbox 360 software for December, casting a great deal of doubt on the commonly-held belief that software makers can't move units on Nintendo's console."

and another quote...

Matt Cassamassina over at IGN has access to the full set of NPD data, not just the top tens, and he said something very interesting on their last podcast: Wii software actually outsold Xbox 360 software this month.
I've contacted NPD for confirmation, but so far all they've told me is that on the list of Top 100 software titles for December, 20 Wii games charted, versus 18 Xbox 360 games.
Even more importantly, only5 of those 20 games were from Nintendo.

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Wait, so, were more software UNITS moved, or did more titles make the top 100?

Like, did the Wii just have more in the top 100, or did they actually sell more software?

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#3 Hoffgod
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So much for "Wii software doesn't sell".
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#4 Hoffgod
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Wait, so, were more software UNITS moved, or did more titles make the top 100?

Like, did the Wii just have more in the top 100, or did they actually sell more software?

Jandurin
From the sounds of it, yes.
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#5 gomanthethird
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Wait, so, were more software UNITS moved, or did more titles make the top 100?

Like, did the Wii just have more in the top 100, or did they actually sell more software?

Jandurin
Apparantly both
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#6 BambooBanger
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WiiSports/WiiPlay FTW

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Wait, so, were more software UNITS moved, or did more titles make the top 100?

Like, did the Wii just have more in the top 100, or did they actually sell more software?

Jandurin

More software units moved AND more games in the top 100 ;)

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#8 Arsuz
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WiiSports/WiiPlay FTW

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Wii sports isn't counted I believe.

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WiiSports/WiiPlay FTW

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Wii Sports is a pack-in in America and isn't counted in the NPDs.
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#10 Ontain
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15 out of the 20 wii titles aren't nintendo. so much for no 3rd party sales.
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OLD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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[QUOTE="Jandurin"]

Wait, so, were more software UNITS moved, or did more titles make the top 100?

Like, did the Wii just have more in the top 100, or did they actually sell more software?

Hoffgod

From the sounds of it, yes.

Well ****.

Yay. :D

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WiiSports/WiiPlay FTW

BambooBanger

only 5 out of the 20 were from Nintendo...nice try thought

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[QUOTE="BambooBanger"]

WiiSports/WiiPlay FTW

HarlockJC

only 5 out of the 20 were from Nintendo...nice try thought

I wont be satisfied until someone leaks the list and numbers, until then, I can only assume that the majority of those titles were awful shovelware games that parents buy for unsuspecting children.

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#15 loco145
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[QUOTE="HarlockJC"][QUOTE="BambooBanger"]

WiiSports/WiiPlay FTW

BambooBanger

only 5 out of the 20 were from Nintendo...nice try thought

I wont be satisfied until someone leaks the list and numbers, until then, I can only assume that the majority of those titles were awful shovelware games that parents buy for unsuspecting children.

Who cares what you assume anyway? Wii software IS selling!

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Thanks for posting, but the NPD was posted a few days ago. The only people still denying it are the misinformed and fanboys. and it won't matter, there'll just switch from 'software sales are all that matter' to 'sales don't matter at all!'
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#17 BambooBanger
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Wii software IS selling!loco145

Umm, well done ? :roll:

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[QUOTE="loco145"] Wii software IS selling!BambooBanger

Umm, well done ? :roll:

Thanks!

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#19 darkslider99
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[QUOTE="HarlockJC"][QUOTE="BambooBanger"]

WiiSports/WiiPlay FTW

BambooBanger

only 5 out of the 20 were from Nintendo...nice try thought

I wont be satisfied until someone leaks the list and numbers, until then, I can only assume that the majority of those titles were awful shovelware games that parents buy for unsuspecting children.


It was leaked a few days ago...try searching the forums...and it doesn't matter. It still sells. You're starting to sound like protossrush when he kept denying that SMG won GOTY....
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[QUOTE="HarlockJC"][QUOTE="BambooBanger"]

WiiSports/WiiPlay FTW

BambooBanger

only 5 out of the 20 were from Nintendo...nice try thought

I wont be satisfied until someone leaks the list and numbers, until then, I can only assume that the majority of those titles were awful shovelware games that parents buy for unsuspecting children.

I am going out on a lim and say even if you had the list you would still find someway to fault it. And one person shovelware is another person just fan game. I own and enjoy Mario and Sonic, Mario Party 8 and Carnival Games which I am sure you would call shovelware. Yes they could have been done better but hey it did not keep me from having fun playing them.

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Thanks for posting, but the NPD was posted a few days ago. The only people still denying it are the misinformed and fanboys. and it won't matter, there'll just switch from 'software sales are all that matter' to 'sales don't matter at all!'darkslider99
WHAT? WHERE IS THE LIST?!!!
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This is pretty sweet news.
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[QUOTE="darkslider99"]Thanks for posting, but the NPD was posted a few days ago. The only people still denying it are the misinformed and fanboys. and it won't matter, there'll just switch from 'software sales are all that matter' to 'sales don't matter at all!'nintendo-4life
WHAT? WHERE IS THE LIST?!!!


Search the forums. I don't have the thread on me, but they were posted a few days ago. I think the thread was december NDP or something like that.
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[QUOTE="darkslider99"]Thanks for posting, but the NPD was posted a few days ago. The only people still denying it are the misinformed and fanboys. and it won't matter, there'll just switch from 'software sales are all that matter' to 'sales don't matter at all!'BambooBanger

The search yeilds no results, and I very much doubt that the full list complete with sales numbers would have been posted here, otherwise some insolent sheep would've posted it here by now.

I'm not disputing the fact that the Wii sold the most software at all, but I did say that it can be attributed to bundled game WiiPlay and WiiSports (which is counted as software sales everywhere else, so I see no reason for it not to be included in the NPD).

I know sheep are only barnyard animals, but how about a dose of Reading Comprehension 101 before you start rattling off ridiculous comments that I don't care to address.

is that part of your assumptions? NPD tracks sales. wiisports doesn't count as software sales in the US. go google NPD december sales if you want. you'll find top ten lists of software that don't include wiisports which if it was counted would be in the top ten.

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Can't find the system wars thread (still looking) but here's a virtua underground thread:
http://www.gamespot.com/pages/forums/show_msgs.php?topic_id=25301922&page=0
here's a direct link to neogaf:
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=137693
Someone who has a neogaf account will need to copy and paste the results...i'll keep searching though

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#28 JayPee89
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They're counting controller sales. :roll:

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#29 gomanthethird
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They're counting controller sales. :roll:

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15 of Nintendo's top 20 games were 3rd party
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[QUOTE="darkslider99"]Thanks for posting, but the NPD was posted a few days ago. The only people still denying it are the misinformed and fanboys. and it won't matter, there'll just switch from 'software sales are all that matter' to 'sales don't matter at all!'BambooBanger

The search yeilds no results, and I very much doubt that the full list complete with sales numbers would have been posted here, otherwise some insolent sheep would've posted it here by now.

I'm not disputing the fact that the Wii sold the most software at all, but I did say that it can be attributed to bundled game WiiPlay and WiiSports (which is counted as software sales everywhere else, so I see no reason for it not to be included in the NPD).

I know sheep are only barnyard animals, but how about a dose of Reading Comprehension 101 before you start rattling off ridiculous comments that I don't care to address.

although i do see your argument, there is no way you can prove either Wii play or Wii sports had any influence over the score, further, even if they had, it just proves that Wii software does indeed stand it's ground :D
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[QUOTE="JayPee89"]

They're counting controller sales. :roll:

gomanthethird
15 of Nintendo's top 20 games were 3rd party

And? None of them account for the 4.5 million that WiiPlay does. Take away those sales, and it's not even close.
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Can't find the system wars thread (still looking) but here's a virtua underground thread:
http://www.gamespot.com/pages/forums/show_msgs.php?topic_id=25301922&page=0
here's a direct link to neogaf:
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=137693
Someone who has a neogaf account will need to copy and paste the results...i'll keep searching though

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no need to trouble yourself dude, thanks anyway :)
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[QUOTE="gomanthethird"][QUOTE="JayPee89"]

They're counting controller sales. :roll:

JayPee89
15 of Nintendo's top 20 games were 3rd party

And? None of them account for the 4.5 million that WiiPlay does. Take away those sales, and it's not even close.

we are talking about MONTHLY sales, not overall sales :|
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#34 JayPee89
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[QUOTE="JayPee89"][QUOTE="gomanthethird"][QUOTE="JayPee89"]

They're counting controller sales. :roll:

nintendo-4life
15 of Nintendo's top 20 games were 3rd party

And? None of them account for the 4.5 million that WiiPlay does. Take away those sales, and it's not even close.

we are talking about MONTHLY sales, not overall sales :|

That's fine. They're still counting controller sales. If that's what you sheep call software then so be it.
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That's fine. They're still counting controller sales. If that's what you sheep call software then so be it.JayPee89
you know, you actually can *play* Wii play.

It's even in the title.

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[QUOTE="JayPee89"]That's fine. They're still counting controller sales. If that's what you sheep call software then so be it.Jandurin

you know, you actually can *play* Wii play.

It's even in the title.

Please. Don't try to pass off that garbabge as anything more than what it is. A controller that comes with an overpriced piece of shovelware.
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[QUOTE="darkslider99"]Can't find the system wars thread (still looking) but here's a virtua underground thread:
http://www.gamespot.com/pages/forums/show_msgs.php?topic_id=25301922&page=0
here's a direct link to neogaf:
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=137693
Someone who has a neogaf account will need to copy and paste the results...i'll keep searching though

nintendo-4life
no need to trouble yourself dude, thanks anyway :)


ok lol I've stoppe searched. We'll wait for someone with neogaf to post them from there.
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[QUOTE="JayPee89"]That's fine. They're still counting controller sales. If that's what you sheep call software then so be it.Jandurin

you know, you actually can *play* Wii play.

It's even in the title.

Let's do him the favor of not counting this particular title. That still leaves Wii sales in the top 100 outnumbering 360 sales in the top 100 by 1. It also increases the ratio of 3rd parties to 1st/2nd parties. So if we do remove WiiPlay. We still come out on top for sure, and it does even more to prove that 3rd party support is alive and well in all areas of the Wii's value chain.

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[QUOTE="Jandurin"]

[QUOTE="JayPee89"]That's fine. They're still counting controller sales. If that's what you sheep call software then so be it.effthat

you know, you actually can *play* Wii play.

It's even in the title.

Let's do him the favor of not counting this particular title. That still leaves Wii sales in the top 100 outnumbering 360 sales in the top 100 by 1. It also increases the ratio of 3rd parties to 1st/2nd parties. So if we do remove WiiPlay. We still come out on top for sure, and it does even more to prove that 3rd party support is alive and well in all areas of the Wii's value chain.

Outnumbering them by 1 unit during the busiest shopping month of the year on the hottest holiday item. 3rd parties am rejoicing. :roll:
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[QUOTE="HarlockJC"][QUOTE="BambooBanger"]

WiiSports/WiiPlay FTW

BambooBanger

only 5 out of the 20 were from Nintendo...nice try thought

I wont be satisfied until someone leaks the list and numbers, until then, I can only assume that the majority of those titles were awful shovelware games that parents buy for unsuspecting children.

Are you mad? :lol: The person who gives out the information could get arrested or heavily fined. We're talking about information that costs thousands of dollars. :|

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[QUOTE="gomanthethird"][QUOTE="JayPee89"]

They're counting controller sales. :roll:

JayPee89

15 of Nintendo's top 20 games were 3rd party

And? None of them account for the 4.5 million that WiiPlay does. Take away those sales, and it's not even close.

4.5 million? Wii Play sold 1.08 million in the dec NPD?

Bitter much?

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[QUOTE="JayPee89"][QUOTE="gomanthethird"][QUOTE="JayPee89"]

They're counting controller sales. :roll:

gomanthethird

15 of Nintendo's top 20 games were 3rd party

And? None of them account for the 4.5 million that WiiPlay does. Take away those sales, and it's not even close.

4.5 million? Why are you bringing up Wii Plays total sales when this discussion is about December NPD?

Bitter much?

Dude is just damage controlling. I think ignoring him is probably the best answer.
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[QUOTE="gomanthethird"][QUOTE="JayPee89"][QUOTE="gomanthethird"][QUOTE="JayPee89"]

They're counting controller sales. :roll:

Jandurin

15 of Nintendo's top 20 games were 3rd party

And? None of them account for the 4.5 million that WiiPlay does. Take away those sales, and it's not even close.

4.5 million? Why are you bringing up Wii Plays total sales when this discussion is about December NPD?

Bitter much?

Dude is just damage controlling. I think ignoring him is probably the best answer.

There is no damage control. You're happy because the Wii outsold XBOX 360 software by 1 unit, if you exclude the controller sales, during the busiest shopping month of the year. I'm sure you sheep are a lot more excited than the 3rd parties are.
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]There is no damage control. You're happy because the Wii outsold XBOX 360 software by 1 unit, if you exclude the controller sales, during the busiest shopping month of the year. I'm sure you sheep are a lot more excited than the 3rd parties are.JayPee89

The point is wii games sell. Stop trolling.
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There is no damage control. You're happy because the Wii outsold XBOX 360 software by 1 unit, if you exclude the controller sales, during the busiest shopping month of the year. I'm sure you sheep are a lot more excited than the 3rd parties are.JayPee89
1 game, not 1 unit.

Edit: And it's two games.

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[QUOTE="JayPee89"]There is no damage control. You're happy because the Wii outsold XBOX 360 software by 1 unit, if you exclude the controller sales, during the busiest shopping month of the year. I'm sure you sheep are a lot more excited than the 3rd parties are.Jandurin
1 game, not 1 unit.


hopefully that's what he meant...>.>
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[QUOTE="JayPee89"]There is no damage control. You're happy because the Wii outsold XBOX 360 software by 1 unit, if you exclude the controller sales, during the busiest shopping month of the year. I'm sure you sheep are a lot more excited than the 3rd parties are.Jandurin

1 game, not 1 unit.

Edit: And it's two games.

Games are referred to as units as well when you're talking sales.
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#49 gomanthethird
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[QUOTE="Jandurin"][QUOTE="gomanthethird"][QUOTE="JayPee89"][QUOTE="gomanthethird"][QUOTE="JayPee89"]

They're counting controller sales. :roll:

JayPee89

15 of Nintendo's top 20 games were 3rd party

And? None of them account for the 4.5 million that WiiPlay does. Take away those sales, and it's not even close.

4.5 million? Why are you bringing up Wii Plays total sales when this discussion is about December NPD?

Bitter much?

Dude is just damage controlling. I think ignoring him is probably the best answer.

There is no damage control. You're happy because the Wii outsold XBOX 360 software by 1 unit, if you exclude the controller sales, during the busiest shopping month of the year. I'm sure you sheep are a lot more excited than the 3rd parties are.

No I'd say he's right... you are damage controlling

Wii software selling on par with 360 software in the most important retail month of the year is a big deal. With the rate the Wii's userbase is growing, it's a sure sign of Nintendo's dominance down the road.

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Games are referred to as units as well when you're talking sales.JayPee89
But, in terms of sales, the Wii sold more units (software numbers) of as well as units of games on the top 100, apparently.