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#51 Filthybastrd
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"We have a better story, better choices and better grapihcs". They might just be right.

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#52 lawlessx
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"We have a better story, better choices and better grapihcs". They might just be right.

Filthybastrd
"but dragon age 2 will sell more..thus meaning it's the better game"
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Bioware and Bethesda need to learn a thing or two from these guys. And on the graphical front, I don't expect them to be technical marvels, but do they have to be flat out ugly and bland?
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#54 deactivated-58b6232955e4a
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[QUOTE="cobrax55"]

[QUOTE="GeneralShowzer"] The Witcher 2 engine is a multiplatform one. It will look more or less the same on consoles.GeneralShowzer

:lol::lol::lol:

you dont actually believe that do you?

Believe what? It was a multi-platform engine from the start. It's not some PC engine like the Cryengine 2, made to push PC graphics to the max. It's a multi-platform engine like any other. They say that have demos on the consoles and it works perfectly.

The Witcher 2 is not an open world game, nor it has any amazing physics... From what I've seen the environments are very constricted, a lot more consticted than the original. Dunno why people are hyping it as a graphical masterpiece or something.

Just because an engine is multiplat doesn't mean it isn't powerful. Look at Cryengine 3, it is superior to Cry2 but it runs on consoles.

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What was that about graphics? Also, I would like to point out it is not running on consoles, they will be doing some tests to see if it is possible once the game is released on the PC. If you've been following the game you would have known that the game is vastly more open than the first game, hell there is like three load screens for the whole game.

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Bioware and Bethesda need to learn a thing or two from these guys. And on the graphical front, I don't expect them to be technical marvels, but do they have to be flat out ugly and bland?Deathtransit
Wha? Mass Effect 2 - and 1, for that matter - looked great...
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[QUOTE="Deathtransit"]Bioware and Bethesda need to learn a thing or two from these guys. And on the graphical front, I don't expect them to be technical marvels, but do they have to be flat out ugly and bland?Boomshaffted
Wha? Mass Effect 2 - and 1, for that matter - looked great...

Meh, they could have looked a lot better.
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#57 deactivated-58b6232955e4a
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[QUOTE="Boomshaffted"][QUOTE="Deathtransit"]Bioware and Bethesda need to learn a thing or two from these guys. And on the graphical front, I don't expect them to be technical marvels, but do they have to be flat out ugly and bland?DragonfireXZ95
Wha? Mass Effect 2 - and 1, for that matter - looked great...

Meh, they could have looked a lot better.

Yep, they textures were horrendous.
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[QUOTE="Boomshaffted"][QUOTE="Deathtransit"]Bioware and Bethesda need to learn a thing or two from these guys. And on the graphical front, I don't expect them to be technical marvels, but do they have to be flat out ugly and bland?DragonfireXZ95
Wha? Mass Effect 2 - and 1, for that matter - looked great...

Meh, they could have looked a lot better.

Thanks for pointing out a truism that can be leveled against any game ever released. Doesn't change the fact that they looked great for their release time, easily in the upper echelons of how good released games looked.
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[QUOTE="SAGE_OF_FIRE"][QUOTE="DragonfireXZ95"][QUOTE="Boomshaffted"] Wha? Mass Effect 2 - and 1, for that matter - looked great...

Meh, they could have looked a lot better.

Yep, they textures were horrendous.

Oh lord... The games looked very good in motion. I'd hate to think what happened if you saw some bullshots of a game coming out and said "that game looks good" only to find out that it had bad particle effects or some such - why, you'd have to take back whatever you'd said about it looking good! The games looked very good. I was impressed, seeing as Bioware's graphic efforts are usually mediocre at best. If you're honestly trying to suggest "the game looked bad" rather than just nitpicking some isolated elements to make it sound like the games DIDN'T look good... Could things have been improved? Yep. Did the games look great? Yep. Nitpick away - whatever a bleh job they're doing on DA, they did a standup job with Mass Effect.
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#60 BigDaddyPOLO
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Doesn't change the fact that DAO entertained me for 80 hours while the Witcher did for maybe 5 before I got bored and stopped playing.

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#61 rcignoni
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Witcher 2 will easily be miles better than DA2.
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#62 deactivated-5cf4b2c19c4ab
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[QUOTE="SAGE_OF_FIRE"][QUOTE="DragonfireXZ95"] Meh, they could have looked a lot better.Boomshaffted
Yep, they textures were horrendous.

Oh lord... The games looked very good in motion. I'd hate to think what happened if you saw some bullshots of a game coming out and said "that game looks good" only to find out that it had bad particle effects or some such - why, you'd have to take back whatever you'd said about it looking good! The games looked very good. I was impressed, seeing as Bioware's graphic efforts are usually mediocre at best. If you're honestly trying to suggest "the game looked bad" rather than just nitpicking some isolated elements to make it sound like the games DIDN'T look good... Could things have been improved? Yep. Did the games look great? Yep. Nitpick away - whatever a bleh job they're doing on DA, they did a standup job with Mass Effect.

It gets criticized for its textures because of their inconsistency and alot of them are truly horrendous and actually take away from the game. "lets go talk to this nicely crafted character model in a cinematic way to drive immersion then shift and see the texture on the back and it looks like it was made by a baby for computers in 1999" It takes away from the immersion when you are playing a current gen graphics and in the middle of this current gen game you randomly see pixelated puke stains randomly covering stuff.

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#63 kaza7861
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Witcher 2 will easily be miles better than DA2.rcignoni

I doubt it will be miles better, both games will be damn close for sure. Well thats my opinion.

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#64 Led_poison
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Witcher Boobs>Dragon ages

Tis true

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#65 Kickinurass
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I don't think the Witcher screen looks better than the DA2 one. I probably would assume they were from the same game if the Dragon Age wasn't labeled.

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[QUOTE="Boomshaffted"][QUOTE="SAGE_OF_FIRE"] Yep, they textures were horrendous. ferret-gamer

Oh lord... The games looked very good in motion. I'd hate to think what happened if you saw some bullshots of a game coming out and said "that game looks good" only to find out that it had bad particle effects or some such - why, you'd have to take back whatever you'd said about it looking good! The games looked very good. I was impressed, seeing as Bioware's graphic efforts are usually mediocre at best. If you're honestly trying to suggest "the game looked bad" rather than just nitpicking some isolated elements to make it sound like the games DIDN'T look good... Could things have been improved? Yep. Did the games look great? Yep. Nitpick away - whatever a bleh job they're doing on DA, they did a standup job with Mass Effect.

It gets criticized for its textures because of their inconsistency and alot of them are truly horrendous and actually take away from the game. "lets go talk to this nicely crafted character model in a cinematic way to drive immersion then shift and see the texture on the back and it looks like it was made by a baby for computers in 1999" It takes away from the immersion when you are playing a current gen graphics and in the middle of this current gen game you randomly see pixelated puke stains randomly covering stuff.

You've basically told me "a very good looking game has one weak area." Thanks for the heads up. Does really not diminish my original point, that the ME games look great.
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#67 deactivated-5c8e4e07d5510
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One probelm. Dragon Age didn't have any black and white, good or bad choices. There was no morality system at all. It was very similar to The Witcher in that respect.

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#68 deactivated-5cf4b2c19c4ab
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[QUOTE="ferret-gamer"]

[QUOTE="Boomshaffted"] Oh lord... The games looked very good in motion. I'd hate to think what happened if you saw some bullshots of a game coming out and said "that game looks good" only to find out that it had bad particle effects or some such - why, you'd have to take back whatever you'd said about it looking good! The games looked very good. I was impressed, seeing as Bioware's graphic efforts are usually mediocre at best. If you're honestly trying to suggest "the game looked bad" rather than just nitpicking some isolated elements to make it sound like the games DIDN'T look good... Could things have been improved? Yep. Did the games look great? Yep. Nitpick away - whatever a bleh job they're doing on DA, they did a standup job with Mass Effect.Boomshaffted

It gets criticized for its textures because of their inconsistency and alot of them are truly horrendous and actually take away from the game. "lets go talk to this nicely crafted character model in a cinematic way to drive immersion then shift and see the texture on the back and it looks like it was made by a baby for computers in 1999" It takes away from the immersion when you are playing a current gen graphics and in the middle of this current gen game you randomly see pixelated puke stains randomly covering stuff.

You've basically told me "a very good looking game has one weak area." Thanks for the heads up. Does really not diminish my original point, that the ME games look great.

No, a slightly above average looking game has a very bad problem with inconsistencies.
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He's right lol DA2 looks like 2008 game :lol:, the witcher 2 looks fantastic.johny300
2008? DA2 looks worse than many launch titles for PS3/XBOX 360.
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#70 alfredooo
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Anyways we should wait until both are out but.... we can't really judge the gameplay for either game yet and Bioware has yet to disappoint me. Sure ME 2 isn't that great as an RPG, but its still an amazing game worthy of all the praise it got.

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#71 campzor
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the guy with the cool yellow eyes looks more interesting then the whole of DA2
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#72 oldkingallant
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I don't see why they have to talk crap. Dragon Age: Origins for PC was better than The Witcher so it's not like they have bragging rights yet. I think The Witcher 2 is going to be the better game as DA2 looks very streamlined, but come on, not necessary. I don't blame him, it's an odd question that was obviously looking for some insults to make news.

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the Witcher 2 won't be a threat to Dragon Age 2 on consoles, as Witcher 2 is PC only
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#74 DragonfireXZ95
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I don't see why they have to talk crap. Dragon Age: Origins for PC was better than The Witcher so it's not like they have bragging rights yet. I think The Witcher 2 is going to be the better game as DA2 looks very streamlined, but come on, not necessary. I don't blame him, it's an odd question that was obviously looking for some insults to make news.

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No, no it wasn't. The Witcher was a lot better than Dragon Age.
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[QUOTE="rolo107"]If this was anyone else they'd be bashed to hell for being overly arrogant; even if they were right. I mean people bash CryTek for claiming they have the best graphics; then turn around and say it themselves. Regardless, he speaks the truth. I just hate the double standards on System Wars and it makes it impossible to take anything seriously. Not one thing. DragonfireXZ95
Who bashed Crytek for saying they have the best graphics? I'd agree with them(Crytek) for the most part.

Do you want me to actually name names? I don't really want to go digging up threads, and using search(which isn't really the best tool here) to find it. It's just people in general here. This is System Wars after all. Crytek has made very big statements regarding their tech on consoles and on PC and people have taken exception to it.
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#76 DragonfireXZ95
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[QUOTE="DragonfireXZ95"][QUOTE="rolo107"]If this was anyone else they'd be bashed to hell for being overly arrogant; even if they were right. I mean people bash CryTek for claiming they have the best graphics; then turn around and say it themselves. Regardless, he speaks the truth. I just hate the double standards on System Wars and it makes it impossible to take anything seriously. Not one thing. rolo107
Who bashed Crytek for saying they have the best graphics? I'd agree with them(Crytek) for the most part.

Do you want me to actually name names? I don't really want to go digging up threads, and using search(which isn't really the best tool here) to find it. It's just people in general here. This is System Wars after all. Crytek has made very big statements regarding their tech on consoles and on PC and people have taken exception to it.

Meh, I don't really care that much; It was more of a rhetorical question than anything. Crytek pretty much still has the best graphics in a game.
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#77 abuabed
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yup, the Witcher 2 looks definitely better, gameplay felt better in DA compared to the first Witcher so I'm expecting the same for the next releases. As for story I preferred DA's over the Witcher. Will get and enjoy both.
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#78 AAllxxjjnn
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Pretty much everything i've seen from The Witcher 2 looks about 10 steps above what Bioware is doing with Dragon Age II.
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#79 Marka1700
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The more I hear about DA2 the less I want it.
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#80 badtaker
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why comparing a PS2 game with witcher 2 :P

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#81 HaloinventedFPS
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He's jus bitter cause DA will sell more :P

felipebo

oh really?

a multiplatform game will sell more than a PC exclusive?

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#82 oldkingallant
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[QUOTE="oldkingallant"]

I don't see why they have to talk crap. Dragon Age: Origins for PC was better than The Witcher so it's not like they have bragging rights yet. I think The Witcher 2 is going to be the better game as DA2 looks very streamlined, but come on, not necessary. I don't blame him, it's an odd question that was obviously looking for some insults to make news.

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No, no it wasn't. The Witcher was a lot better than Dragon Age.

This is called an opinion. Dragon Age was significantly better received by critics and is in my opinion the better game. And yes, I own both. Love both, but Dragon Age is so much more polished it's not a fair competition.
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#83 oldkingallant
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[QUOTE="felipebo"]

He's jus bitter cause DA will sell more :P

HaloinventedFPS

oh really?

a multiplatform game will sell more than a PC exclusive?

Even if Dragon Age II wasn't on the PS3 or 360 it would still sell more on the PC alone....
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[QUOTE="DragonfireXZ95"][QUOTE="oldkingallant"]

I don't see why they have to talk crap. Dragon Age: Origins for PC was better than The Witcher so it's not like they have bragging rights yet. I think The Witcher 2 is going to be the better game as DA2 looks very streamlined, but come on, not necessary. I don't blame him, it's an odd question that was obviously looking for some insults to make news.

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No, no it wasn't. The Witcher was a lot better than Dragon Age.

This is called an opinion. Dragon Age was significantly better received by critics and is in my opinion the better game. And yes, I own both. Love both, but Dragon Age is so much more polished it's not a fair competition.

If we take into account the free DLC CDprojekt released and the major updates/patches they did to The Witcher, I'd say they were the same in polish. If The Witcher had released with all of this stuff, do you think that it would have still scored lower than Dragon Age? Also, CDProjekt had less funds, this is a big equalizer imo. Bioware had a lot more funds than CD did.
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#85 Ultra_Combo
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I'm sure it'll blow DA2 out of the water graphically, but I found The Witcher to be just as boring and generic in the story/setting and morality departments as DA:O, and at least DA:O had some quality dialogue and voice-acting.

PBSnipes

No doubt I'm amazed at all the hate , they will both be awesome on my pc bioware allways makes an entertaining game they have never been about graphics so what the big deal.

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the Witcher 2 won't be a threat to Dragon Age 2 on consoles, as Witcher 2 is PC onlylamprey263
I thought they said Witcher 2 might come to consoles.
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#87 NeonNinja
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Personally, The Witcher 2 looks way better than Dragon Age 2 and I'm a big fan of DA: Origins. I haven't played the first yet, and I want to do that before I buy Assassins of Kings, but even then The Witcher looks cooler than the first Dragon Age. I don't know which is better since I've only played DA, but really, The Witcher has looked cooler from day one. There's no reason for people to ask how will you differentiate the games. The Witcher looks unique, Dragon Age looks bland. Granted, DA: Origins hooked me with gameplay, characters, story, world once I started exploring it all, but at first sight I wanted nothing to do with DA: O. The Witcher just looks more interesting.

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[QUOTE="Deathtransit"]Bioware and Bethesda need to learn a thing or two from these guys. And on the graphical front, I don't expect them to be technical marvels, but do they have to be flat out ugly and bland?Boomshaffted
Wha? Mass Effect 2 - and 1, for that matter - looked great...

Well, ME looks fine but DAO and Berhesda games are pretty ugly. They could definitely make em look better.
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#89 JLF1
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Meh, They both look like the same generic WRPG games we have played for the last 10 years.

This is one of the reasons I loved Demon´s Souls and I´m looking forward to playing Two World 2.

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#90 NeonNinja
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Meh, They both look like the same generic WRPG games we have played for the last 10 years.

This is one of the reasons I loved Demon´s Souls and I´m looking forward to playing Two World 2.

JLF1

Wait? Two Worlds 2 doesn't look generic but these two do? Now I'm lost. :?

Demon's Souls looks bomb though. Can't play it since I don't have a PS3, but you can bet I'll be all over Dark Souls when that puppy releases! ;)

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#91 GreySeal9
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Ew, why does Dragon Age 2 look so darn ugly?

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#92 ZippySlappy
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Lol. I like him.

Both games are a big meh though.

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#93 Roushrsh
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I really liked the first witcher (except the parts where you have no control over ARGH) but the graphics for the first one sucked so bad, I don't think witcher dev's have the right to even talk about graphics
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[QUOTE="Roushrsh"] The first games graphics were really good, far better than the first Dragon Age game. Especially Murky Waters and Lakeside in act IV.[QUOTE="oldkingallant"][QUOTE="DragonfireXZ95"][QUOTE="oldkingallant"]

I don't see why they have to talk crap. Dragon Age: Origins for PC was better than The Witcher so it's not like they have bragging rights yet. I think The Witcher 2 is going to be the better game as DA2 looks very streamlined, but come on, not necessary. I don't blame him, it's an odd question that was obviously looking for some insults to make news.

No, no it wasn't. The Witcher was a lot better than Dragon Age.

This is called an opinion. Dragon Age was significantly better received by critics and is in my opinion the better game. And yes, I own both. Love both, but Dragon Age is so much more polished it's not a fair competition.

The Witcher is the more innovative and influential game. Really, Dragon Age's grey morality and setting were influenced by The Witcher. Dragon Age Origins really is Bioware's least inspired game. Its no where near as good as Mass Effect 2, and its really no where near as good as Baldur's Gate II.
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#95 coreybg
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I really liked the first witcher (except the parts where you have no control over ARGH) but the graphics for the first one sucked so bad, I don't think witcher dev's have the right to even talk about graphics Roushrsh

They don't have a right to talk about graphics considering TW2 looks amazing and TW1 is 4 years old? Makes sense

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#96 djsifer01
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It's funny they have the stones to call out Bioware on graphics even though Witcher 1 used a modified NWN engine and looked pretty bad.

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The Witcher looks great on my PC so i have to disagree it looks terrible . The Witcher 2 is going to look alot better than the first one. I dont know if they should be boasting about there game looking better than DA2 even if it dose, its classless imo. Let the game do the talking then you dont half to eat your words like alot of developers do when they dont preform like they say they do.
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#97 PcGamingRig
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The more I hear about DA2 the less I want it.Marka1700
agreed, i loved the first Dragon Age it was a proper RPG,

and im loving The Witcher because of that aswell.

The Witcher 2 is looking like a fully fledged PC RPG while DA2 has sacrificed itself for money making purposes.

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#98 PcGamingRig
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[QUOTE="lamprey263"]the Witcher 2 won't be a threat to Dragon Age 2 on consoles, as Witcher 2 is PC onlyDeathtransit
I thought they said Witcher 2 might come to consoles.

the first Witcher was going to come to consoles but it never did, CD Projekt are big old style PC fans so PC comes first and then they port it.

and to all people saying the first witcher was technically not very impressive, don't forget it was CD Projekts first game!

probably nothing like the budget they have for the second, they did great with what they had.

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#99 Roushrsh
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[QUOTE="Roushrsh"]I really liked the first witcher (except the parts where you have no control over ARGH) but the graphics for the first one sucked so bad, I don't think witcher dev's have the right to even talk about graphics coreybg

They don't have a right to talk about graphics considering TW2 looks amazing and TW1 is 4 years old? Makes sense

Considering their 2007 game looked worse than all the other 2007 games. Besides the Witcher 2 isn't out yet, I think they shouldn't till it comes out and actually looks and plays like the videos without any bugs or anything
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#100 kozzy1234
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God I can't wait for both these games !

Shogun2 and Crysis2 also!