With a 2008 SSBB delay looming ....Does Wii have the Worst Holiday Lineup ??

Metroid Prime 3 came out in America first. Why can't Brawl?sexy_chimp

Not that fast.

I AM NOT TALKING ABOUT SALES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

And why do multiplats not count? The games I mentioned are only multiplat to the PS3 and 360 and PC and DO NOT appear on the Wii.

This has nothing to do with any type of damage control.

MikeE21286

I AM NOT TALKING ABOUT SALES EITHER!

Why don't you actually try reading and take those fanboy goggles off?

Exclusives DEFINE a SYSTEM. Exclusives is what makes your system more worth it then another system.

If a game isn't exclusive then it by no means makes your system better then others since it's avalible on another platform

"But it's not on the Wii!" no it isn't on the Wii but it's on the 360 and on the PC so therefore it is of no possitive behalf of the PS3 since nobody cares since it's on another system.

It's been done that way for years, and now your trying to change the rules and common snese matter of determining a vaule of a console just on your system behalf?

I never mentioned sales in my post. Just that someone wouldn't prefer the PS3 to the 360 if a games already on there, WTF does that have to do with sales? I never mentioned someone who was picking a system just someone looking at the line-ups (including people who own both).

The fact that you can't read in between the lines or figure out something that simple is what I woudl call damage control.

If you don't understand clearly it's of your fault since everyone disagrees with you.

The fact that you have to pull the "talking about sales " card is just pathetic to say the least on your part.

3 years ago Cows were arguing to death about the whole "console exclusive" Lemming arguement because many of their games were on both the 360 and PC, now that you have some games on the PS3, Xbox 360, PC, and even the DS you're going to try to defend them to add to a systems value?

If you're going to pull that BS you might as well add Virtual Console titles to the Wii's list and thus making the Wii better then any other system out now since it has Zelda, Mario, Sonic, Bonk, Castlevania, etc.

Oh but don't worry they count because they aren't avalible on the PS3 or 360.

[QUOTE="DivergeUnify"][QUOTE="MikeE21286"]

[QUOTE="Gunraidan"]I agree the PS3 has so many more titles like Rachet and Clank and......................................hazardbarzard

Uncharted

Assassin's Creed

Haze

Call of Duty 4

that's just off the top of my head......

God, what's so wrong about multiplats? Aren't they good enough? Aren't they games? Aren't poeple gonna buy them? I rather have a system full of good multiplats than a system with just 1-3 AAA titles.

[QUOTE="OregonTrailing"][QUOTE="MikeE21286"]

You're coming out of left field with your arguments. This thread has nothing to do with sales (darn sheep :( ) If you would have read my first post I already admitted stated the Wii will sell insane no matter what. We are talking about G A M E S here.

lebaneseprince1

Okay then.

Super Mario Galaxy
Batallion Wars 2
Fire Emblem
Zach & Wiki
Trauma Center: New Blood
RE: Umbrella Chronicles
Endless Ocean
FF: Crystal Bearers
NiGHTS: Journey of Dreams
Ghost Squad
Bully: Scholarship Edition
Medal of Honor Heroes 2
Rayman Raving Rabbids 2
Need for Speed ProStreet

You own a Wii but it's terrible? That is to say clearly you hang out on game forum sites, but failed to look into the upcoming lineup before making the purchase of a new console?I mean... clearly you didn't research the Wii titles before you bought the Wii, since you're unsatisfied with the console and the games it offers.But NOW you've put in the research and know for a fact these games suck?

My point is, you're pretty inconsistent going from "I want to spend 250 bucks on a console whose upcoming games library I didn't research on the gaming website I hang out on" to "It sucks. All it's games suck. Even the ones that aren't out yet and have large fan followings that I haven't played."

[QUOTE="lebaneseprince1"][QUOTE="OregonTrailing"][QUOTE="MikeE21286"]

You're coming out of left field with your arguments. This thread has nothing to do with sales (darn sheep :( ) If you would have read my first post I already admitted stated the Wii will sell insane no matter what. We are talking about G A M E S here.

valmonte

Okay then.

Super Mario Galaxy
Batallion Wars 2
Fire Emblem
Zach & Wiki
Trauma Center: New Blood
RE: Umbrella Chronicles
Endless Ocean
FF: Crystal Bearers
NiGHTS: Journey of Dreams
Ghost Squad
Bully: Scholarship Edition
Medal of Honor Heroes 2
Rayman Raving Rabbids 2
Need for Speed ProStreet

You own a Wii but it's terrible? That is to say clearly you hang out on game forum sites, but failed to look into the upcoming lineup before making the purchase of a new console?I mean... clearly you didn't research the Wii titles before you bought the Wii, since you're unsatisfied with the console and the games it offers.But NOW you've put in the research and know for a fact these games suck?

My point is, you're pretty inconsistent going from "I want to spend 250 bucks on a console whose upcoming games library I didn't research on the gaming website I hang out on" to "It sucks. All it's games suck. Even the ones that aren't out yet and have large fan followings that I haven't played."

[QUOTE="hazardbarzard"][QUOTE="DivergeUnify"][QUOTE="MikeE21286"]

[QUOTE="Gunraidan"]I agree the PS3 has so many more titles like Rachet and Clank and......................................DivergeUnify

Uncharted

Assassin's Creed

Haze

Call of Duty 4

that's just off the top of my head......

God, what's so wrong about multiplats? Aren't they good enough? Aren't they games? Aren't poeple gonna buy them? I rather have a system full of good multiplats than a system with just 1-3 AAA titles.

Fanboy much?

Nah. Super Mario Galaxy is the best title this year, next to Crysis and Mass Effect. I'd say PS3 has the worst lineup with Haze and Uncharted. Both games look nice, but are nothing compared to Super Mario Galaxy, the true successor to Mario 64.BioShockOwnz

Wii're getting 86 games in Q4 alone. The "competition" is getting 85 games combined. No matter what types of gamesyou are into, you're bound to find something to appeal to you amongst 86 games. Number_1_Gamer

Quality>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Quantity

[QUOTE="valmonte"][QUOTE="lebaneseprince1"][QUOTE="OregonTrailing"][QUOTE="MikeE21286"]

You're coming out of left field with your arguments. This thread has nothing to do with sales (darn sheep :( ) If you would have read my first post I already admitted stated the Wii will sell insane no matter what. We are talking about G A M E S here.

lebaneseprince1

Okay then.

Super Mario Galaxy
Batallion Wars 2
Fire Emblem
Zach & Wiki
Trauma Center: New Blood
RE: Umbrella Chronicles
Endless Ocean
FF: Crystal Bearers
NiGHTS: Journey of Dreams
Ghost Squad
Bully: Scholarship Edition
Medal of Honor Heroes 2
Rayman Raving Rabbids 2
Need for Speed ProStreet

You own a Wii but it's terrible? That is to say clearly you hang out on game forum sites, but failed to look into the upcoming lineup before making the purchase of a new console?I mean... clearly you didn't research the Wii titles before you bought the Wii, since you're unsatisfied with the console and the games it offers.But NOW you've put in the research and know for a fact these games suck?

My point is, you're pretty inconsistent going from "I want to spend 250 bucks on a console whose upcoming games library I didn't research on the gaming website I hang out on" to "It sucks. All it's games suck. Even the ones that aren't out yet and have large fan followings that I haven't played."

Well, then you went in knowingthe gamesyou wanted, andONE has been delayed by maybe a month or so.So why is the Wii terrible again? Sounds largely like you're getting what you paid for, if that's all you bought it for.

Metroid Prime 3 came out in America first. Why can't Brawl?sexy_chimp

Well, Retro is an American developer. The English version was probably done first.

3/4 of those are multi-plat.

princeofshapeir

And none of them are on the Wii.

[QUOTE="princeofshapeir"]

3/4 of those are multi-plat.

TrueReligion_

And none of them are on the Wii.

I think hes trying to say the Wiis exclusive line up is better.

I'd say generally, 360 > Wii > PS3 now...

But, personally, I find the Wii's lineup the best.

[QUOTE="Haziqonfire"]ssbb is delayed in JAPAN. no confirmation from nintendo themselves saying its delayed in NAharis12121212

Metriod Prime 3, LoZ: TP, the Wii itself.

Man, yu PS3 haters are really pathetic. Only narrowminded fanboys think the PS3 hs no games. Whogives a rat ass if it's exclusive or not? People are still gonna buy them and play them. That "PS3 has no game" excuse are getting old,you have tolook outside their favorite system to realize that. hazardbarzard

360 owners

It's only a matter of time till all the sheep get bored with their limited libraries...then, I suspect the software complaints will come, followed by a next-gen peformance by Nintendo much like that of the Gamecube taking over from the N64. Give 4 years sheep, things will be like they were 2 years ago all over again.

YOU GUYS ARE FORGETTING ONE BIG THING, SO WHAT IF SSBB IS DELAYED SONIC WAS ANNOUNCED TODAY. I CAN WAIT A MONTH FOR A NEW 3RD PARTY CHARACTER!!!!!!1!!!!1!

[QUOTE="DivergeUnify"][QUOTE="hazardbarzard"][QUOTE="DivergeUnify"][QUOTE="MikeE21286"]

[QUOTE="Gunraidan"]I agree the PS3 has so many more titles like Rachet and Clank and......................................hazardbarzard

Uncharted

Assassin's Creed

Haze

Call of Duty 4

that's just off the top of my head......

God, what's so wrong about multiplats? Aren't they good enough? Aren't they games? Aren't poeple gonna buy them? I rather have a system full of good multiplats than a system with just 1-3 AAA titles.

Fanboy much?

It's only a matter of time till all the sheep get bored with their limited libraries...then, I suspect the software complaints will come, followed by a next-gen peformance by Nintendo much like that of the Gamecube taking over from the N64. Give 4 years sheep, things will be like they were 2 years ago all over again.

Nathan_Drake

[QUOTE="Nathan_Drake"]

It's only a matter of time till all the sheep get bored with their limited libraries...then, I suspect the software complaints will come, followed by a next-gen peformance by Nintendo much like that of the Gamecube taking over from the N64. Give 4 years sheep, things will be like they were 2 years ago all over again.

DaAznSaN

Lol, can't argue with that logic

[QUOTE="MikeE21286"]

I AM NOT TALKING ABOUT SALES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

And why do multiplats not count? The games I mentioned are only multiplat to the PS3 and 360 and PC and DO NOT appear on the Wii.

This has nothing to do with any type of damage control.

Gunraidan

I AM NOT TALKING ABOUT SALES EITHER!

Why don't you actually try reading and take those fanboy goggles off?

Exclusives DEFINE a SYSTEM. Exclusives is what makes your system more worth it then another system.

If a game isn't exclusive then it by no means makes your system better then others since it's avalible on another platform

"But it's not on the Wii!" no it isn't on the Wii but it's on the 360 and on the PC so therefore it is of no possitive behalf of the PS3 since nobody cares since it's on another system.

It's been done that way for years, and now your trying to change the rules and common snese matter of determining a vaule of a console just on your system behalf?

I never mentioned sales in my post. Just that someone wouldn't prefer the PS3 to the 360 if a games already on there, WTF does that have to do with sales? I never mentioned someone who was picking a system just someone looking at the line-ups (including people who own both).

The fact that you can't read in between the lines or figure out something that simple is what I woudl call damage control.

If you don't understand clearly it's of your fault since everyone disagrees with you.

The fact that you have to pull the "talking about sales " card is just pathetic to say the least on your part.

3 years ago Cows were arguing to death about the whole "console exclusive" Lemming arguement because many of their games were on both the 360 and PC, now that you have some games on the PS3, Xbox 360, PC, and even the DS you're going to try to defend them to add to a systems value?

If you're going to pull that BS you might as well add Virtual Console titles to the Wii's list and thus making the Wii better then any other system out now since it has Zelda, Mario, Sonic, Bonk, Castlevania, etc.

Oh but don't worry they count because they aren't avalible on the PS3 or 360.

You are absolutely horrible at comprehension.

When trying to compare to lineups of games you have to hold each lineup independent of everything else.

In this example we are comparing all the PS3 games to all the games on the Wii.

The fact that one console has multiplats does not matter in the least bit at all. You (and everyone else that is talking about multiplats on the PS3) in this thread do not understand the true nature of this argument

Just because the 360 and the PS3 share a common game does not in essence "cancel that game out" because it can be played on both systems. I'm not being a fanboy at all with this ( I own all the systems ). I'm just pointing out what I see.

Surprising that in most posts comparing Wii vs PS3, people left out PS3 multiplats like AC, COD4 etc.

But anyways, I think all 3 lineups aren't too bad, although 360 having Halo puts it above the other 2. Wii/PS3 lineups are about even for this holiday season.

Wii're getting 86 games in Q4 alone. The "competition" is getting 85 games combined. No matter what types of gamesyou are into, you're bound to find something to appeal to you amongst 86 games. Number_1_Gamer

So because it now says "TBD" on the main page automatically means delay? It automatically means that it's coming out in 2008? magiciandude

Dude. Use your brain. It isn't to hard to connect the dots.

Wii're getting 86 games in Q4 alone. The "competition" is getting 85 games combined. No matter what types of gamesyou are into, you're bound to find something to appeal to you amongst 86 games. Number_1_Gamer

...and most of which will be crap.

ps3 lineup is better than the Wii, period. COD4, Assassins creed, Brothers in arms, UT3 (small chance it may arrive in 07), Haze, etc. Yes, half of these are multiplats, but NONE OF THEM are available on the Wiirarsi123

Buta lotof them are available on not one, but 2 other platforms. Wii offers a better exclusive experience.

[QUOTE="lebaneseprince1"][QUOTE="OregonTrailing"][QUOTE="MikeE21286"]

You're coming out of left field with your arguments. This thread has nothing to do with sales (darn sheep :( ) If you would have read my first post I already admitted stated the Wii will sell insane no matter what. We are talking about G A M E S here.

valmonte

Okay then.

Super Mario Galaxy
Batallion Wars 2
Fire Emblem
Zach & Wiki
Trauma Center: New Blood
RE: Umbrella Chronicles
Endless Ocean
FF: Crystal Bearers
NiGHTS: Journey of Dreams
Ghost Squad
Bully: Scholarship Edition
Medal of Honor Heroes 2
Rayman Raving Rabbids 2
Need for Speed ProStreet

You own a Wii but it's terrible? That is to say clearly you hang out on game forum sites, but failed to look into the upcoming lineup before making the purchase of a new console?I mean... clearly you didn't research the Wii titles before you bought the Wii, since you're unsatisfied with the console and the games it offers.But NOW you've put in the research and know for a fact these games suck?

My point is, you're pretty inconsistent going from "I want to spend 250 bucks on a console whose upcoming games library I didn't research on the gaming website I hang out on" to "It sucks. All it's games suck. Even the ones that aren't out yet and have large fan followings that I haven't played."

well sorry to INFORM you, but the wii is an impulse buy console (primarily). Look at the 5 million+ that bought a wii when it had what? WIi Sports and TP at launch?

ohh wait i forgot multiplats dont matter in this thread, so since TP was also on GameCube. All it had going for it was Wii sports lloll and other titles that were easily forgotten...

Also on the topic of PS3 multiplats, I dont see whats wrong with naming them for Holiday 07 purchases. As PS3 owners WILL buy them its not as multiplats do not matter or are always garbage when compared to exclusives, hell some multiplats even exceed exclusive games ( look at assasins creed compared to heavenly sword etc.)

ps3 lineup is better than the Wii, period. COD4, Assassins creed, Brothers in arms, UT3 (small chance it may arrive in 07), Haze, etc. Yes, half of these are multiplats, but NONE OF THEM are available on the Wiirarsi123

Wow... I find it pretty funny to see cows using that argument.. :lol:

[QUOTE="Gunraidan"]I agree the PS3 has so many more titles like Rachet and Clank and......................................MikeE21286

Uncharted

Assassin's Creed

Haze

Call of Duty 4

that's just off the top of my head......

[QUOTE="MikeE21286"]

[QUOTE="Gunraidan"]I agree the PS3 has so many more titles like Rachet and Clank and......................................Saturos3091

Uncharted

Assassin's Creed

Haze

Call of Duty 4

that's just off the top of my head......

Dude Halo 3 just came out 2 weeks ago... PGR 4 came out last week... Orange Box just came out this week.. VF5 w/Online comes out next week... Then you have Ace Combat 6.. Timeshift... and that's excluding Multiplats (well save for Orangebox) and Mass Effect..

[QUOTE="Number_1_Gamer"]Wii're getting 86 games in Q4 alone. The "competition" is getting 85 games combined. No matter what types of gamesyou are into, you're bound to find something to appeal to you amongst 86 games. haris12121212

That's 9 AA+ games in only a few months. :D Good enough for me.

[QUOTE="Number_1_Gamer"]Wii're getting 86 games in Q4 alone. The "competition" is getting 85 games combined. No matter what types of gamesyou are into, you're bound to find something to appeal to you amongst 86 games. Paper_Knife

ok... among those 86 games, how many do you think is aimed at little kids... like 83 of them?

Manhunt 2 seems to be the only game with actual blood and not red poofs

[QUOTE="Number_1_Gamer"]Wii're getting 86 games in Q4 alone. The "competition" is getting 85 games combined. No matter what types of gamesyou are into, you're bound to find something to appeal to you amongst 86 games. haris12121212

I agree. As far as the Wii is concernedI have been seeing a fast, steadystream of mostly crap. 86 games in the run of 3 months doen't really excite me. I'm sure there will be a couple of gems in there somewhere, but I'm predicting the majority will be half assed.

Sidenote: SSB:B Delayed till 08!? Since when!? AHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!

[QUOTE="Gunraidan"]I agree the PS3 has so many more titles like Rachet and Clank and......................................MikeE21286

Uncharted

Assassin's Creed

Haze

Call of Duty 4

that's just off the top of my head......

*yawn*

a couple multi-plats, tomb raider rip off, and a decent first person shooter? huh..kay.

MP3 came out in the US first....

Anyways, for me, the Wii has the best holiday lineup.

OregonTrailing

That's because Metorid isn't popular is Japan.

I've said this a few times, Nintendo would be stupid to miss the holiday season outside of Japan.

its been confirmed for dec 3rd. there was a link on in the wii forums and im too lazy to get it

You are absolutely horrible at comprehension.

When trying to compare to lineups of games you have to hold each lineup independent of everything else.

In this example we are comparing all the PS3 games to all the games on the Wii.MikeE21286

What you're topic title says does Wii have the Worst Holiday Line-up so obviously your saying it has the worst line-up compared to every console. How is that independent.

The fact that one console has multiplats does not matter in the least bit at all. You (and everyone else that is talking about multiplats on the PS3) in this thread do not understand the true nature of this argumentMikeE21286

Or quite possibly since everyone disagrees with you, you're wrong.

Just because the 360 and the PS3 share a common game does not in essence "cancel that game out" because it can be played on both systems. I'm not being a fanboy at all with this ( I own all the systems ). I'm just pointing out what I see.

MikeE21286

You are trying to decide what system has the best line-up, in that case which system looks the most interst and holds the most value, so in that case multiplats don't count. Multiplats have never counted, never have because that doesn't mean one system is better then another. Noone and I mean noone has ever tried to own anybody with multiplats until this generation.

If we go by your logic then the Wii is superior to both the PS3 and 360 due to the fact that it contians Super Mario World, Super Metroid, Sin and Punishment, Castlevania IV, and many others.

But why don't you see people counting them? Simple because they are avalible on another platform. You're comparing consoles here their line-ups aka a line-up is what you look for in a console and only that console and so mulitplats do not count.

I seriously can't believe I'm having this arguement.

It's been done this for years you can't just make up rules to make your system look better. I don't remember anything along the lines off last gen when fanboys were trying to own each other with multiplats like "Resident Evil 4 must count for the PS2's library because it isn't avalible on the Xbox" or when comparing the Xbox's library to the Gamecube people add Grand Theft Auto San Andreas and say it counts because it isn't avaliable on the GC or some other BS. Closest I heard to that is "It's a Microsoft exclusive" which is really just as stupid.

You're comparing console "line-ups" not it's "software library".

[QUOTE="rarsi123"]ps3 lineup is better than the Wii, period. COD4, Assassins creed, Brothers in arms, UT3 (small chance it may arrive in 07), Haze, etc. Yes, half of these are multiplats, but NONE OF THEM are available on the Wiimdisen2

Buta lotof them are available on not one, but 2 other platforms. Wii offers a better exclusive experience.

Why does only "exclusive experience" matter. Overall experience matters most....no?

[QUOTE="MikeE21286"]

[QUOTE="Gunraidan"]I agree the PS3 has so many more titles like Rachet and Clank and......................................distrbdslipsoad

Uncharted

Assassin's Creed

Haze

Call of Duty 4

that's just off the top of my head......

*yawn*

a couple multi-plats, tomb raider rip off, and a decent first person shooter? huh..kay.

Anyone can marginalize any game(s) like you did......way to go....

[QUOTE="MikeE21286"]

You are absolutely horrible at comprehension.

When trying to compare to lineups of games you have to hold each lineup independent of everything else.

In this example we are comparing all the PS3 games to all the games on the Wii.Gunraidan

What you're topic title says does Wii have the Worst Holiday Line-up so obviously your saying it has the worst line-up compared to every console. How is that independent.

The fact that one console has multiplats does not matter in the least bit at all. You (and everyone else that is talking about multiplats on the PS3) in this thread do not understand the true nature of this argumentMikeE21286

Or quite possibly since everyone disagrees with you, you're wrong.

Just because the 360 and the PS3 share a common game does not in essence "cancel that game out" because it can be played on both systems. I'm not being a fanboy at all with this ( I own all the systems ). I'm just pointing out what I see.

MikeE21286

You are trying to decide what system has the best line-up, in that case which system looks the most interst and holds the most value, so in that case multiplats don't count. Multiplats have never counted, never have because that doesn't mean one system is better then another. Noone and I mean noone has ever tried to own anybody with multiplats until this generation.

If we go by your logic then the Wii is superior to both the PS3 and 360 due to the fact that it contians Super Mario World, Super Metroid, Sin and Punishment, Castlevania IV, and many others.

But why don't you see people counting them? Simple because they are avalible on another platform. You're comparing consoles here their line-ups aka a line-up is what you look for in a console and only that console and so mulitplats do not count.

I seriously can't believe I'm having this arguement.

It's been done this for years you can't just make up rules to make your system look better. I don't remember anything along the lines off last gen when fanboys were trying to own each other with multiplats like "Resident Evil 4 must count for the PS2's library because it isn't avalible on the Xbox" or when comparing the Xbox's library to the Gamecube people add Grand Theft Auto San Andreas and say it counts because it isn't avaliable on the GC or some other BS. Closest I heard to that is "It's a Microsoft exclusive" which is really just as stupid.

You're comparing console "line-ups" not it's "software library".

Ok, my last comment toards you and I'm done because we are getting nowhere.....

You're comparing console "line-ups" not it's "software library".

What is the difference :|

It's been done this for years you can't just make up rules to make your system look better.

I.own.all.the.consoles.

You are trying to decide what system has the best line-up, in that case which system looks the most interst and holds the most value, so in that case multiplats don't count

Multiplats count if you are comparing systems in which one system HAS the multiplat (likean Assassi's Creedfor example)and another system doesn't. When you're comparing the PS3 lineup to the Wii lineup how in the world does Assassin's Creed not count? I can play it on PS3 and can't play it on Wii. End of story. It doesn't matter if it's multiplat or not. When comparing lineups you compare all the systems have to offer versus all another system has to offer. Case closed.