With all these excellent Zelda clones. Will the Zelda series finally die..?

[QUOTE="farnham"][QUOTE="Thunderdrone"]

The audience for Zelda games is not the same one that bought all those Wii Fits. The only thing nintendo would be doing by killing the Zelda franchise is turning down the opportunity to sell around 14 million copies of fully priced software, roughly the amount of copies TP and the two DS entries sold so far.

What are you exactly trying to do here?

sonic_spark

Now you're saying that the people who bought Zelda could've been people buying more Wii titles. Then Nintendo should only make Wii titles and not make anything else right?

Seriously, you're running around in circles.

[QUOTE="farnham"][QUOTE="caryslan2"]

Why would Nintendo ditch Zelda when they spend resources to develop Fire Emblem, Advance Wars, Kirby, Pikmin, Golden Sun, Metroid, and Sin and Punishment games? All of those series sell well below Zelda's standards, and yet Nintendo keeps developing those titles.

Ask yourself this, should Sony kill off any franchise that sells below the standards of Gran Trusimo? Should Microsoft kill off any franchise that sells below Halo's standards?

Even if Zelda Wii sold only 5 million units, that's still far more sales then most games will ever see and would be considered successful. Zelda is one of Nintendo's key franchises, which means the only way the franchise would die is if the next games sells very poorly.

caryslan2

Intellegent Systems, Hal, Retro, and Nintendo SPD are developers that are owned by Nintendo, which means the success of their games impacts Nintendo. Nintendo also has much to lose when a game they publish fails to sale. And I did not mean obscure Sony and Microsoft franchises when I was using my example. I was talking about franchises like God of War, Uncharted, Killzone, Ratchet and Clank, Jak and Daxter, Gears of War, Fable, and Forza.

Zelda earns Nintendo lots of money, so it would be foolish to say that they should kill the franchise just because it may earn less money then Mario, Pokemon, and Wii series titles. You're missing the point that Zelda is a key Nintendo franchise, that has always proven successful. Most of the Wii series titles sell because they are bundled with the Wii or additional hardware. Zelda has always sold well on its own accord.

Plus lets be honest here, none of Zelda's compertiors are proven franchises that have not even appraoched the sales of most Zelda games. Zelda is far from a dying franchise that it going to be dethroned.

although i might agree that nintendo should just hire a second tier nintendo developer to make zelda games from now on. while nintendo EAD makes Wii.. games and nintendogs

[QUOTE="sonic_spark"]

[QUOTE="farnham"] My argument is pretty simple The Wii.. line is a lot cheaper to make and sells a lot more. The zelda genre is getting more and more competition which means the zelda games are getting harder and harder to make..farnham

Inconsistent arguments.

Zelda games take time. The Zelda team isn't the same team that works on the Wii titles. So your point is null and void.

The Zelda team is different than the Wii team. The EAD has a multitude of different development teams. Wii games are made by development group 2. That is not the same group as the Zelda team.

Yes, both are made in Nintendo's own in house development headquarters, but different teams make different games. If only 1 team was operating, Nintendo could not possibly produce that many games.

[QUOTE="sonic_spark"]

[QUOTE="farnham"] yup 14 million copies lost and probably 80 million untis gained (by the wii titles that the zelda teams made instead of zelda TP, phantom hourglass and spirit tracks)farnham

Now you're saying that the people who bought Zelda could've been people buying more Wii titles. Then Nintendo should only make Wii titles and not make anything else right?

Seriously, you're running around in circles.

[QUOTE="farnham"]

[QUOTE="sonic_spark"]

Inconsistent arguments.

Zelda games take time. The Zelda team isn't the same team that works on the Wii titles. So your point is null and void.

sonic_spark

The Zelda team is different than the Wii team. The EAD has a multitude of different development teams. Wii games are made by development group 2. That is not the same group as the Zelda team.

Yes, both are made in Nintendo's own in house development headquarters, but different teams make different games. If only 1 team was operating, Nintendo could not possibly produce that many games.

[QUOTE="sonic_spark"]

[QUOTE="farnham"] yup 14 million copies lost and probably 80 million untis gained (by the wii titles that the zelda teams made instead of zelda TP, phantom hourglass and spirit tracks)farnham

Now you're saying that the people who bought Zelda could've been people buying more Wii titles. Then Nintendo should only make Wii titles and not make anything else right?

Seriously, you're running around in circles.

Are you all of a sudden video game analyst? How do you know what people want? 14 million purchases of Zelda this gen alone say people want Zelda. You're making NO SENSE WHATSOEVER.

[QUOTE="farnham"][QUOTE="sonic_spark"]

Now you're saying that the people who bought Zelda could've been people buying more Wii titles. Then Nintendo should only make Wii titles and not make anything else right?

Seriously, you're running around in circles.

Shottayouth13-

[QUOTE="farnham"][QUOTE="sonic_spark"]

Now you're saying that the people who bought Zelda could've been people buying more Wii titles. Then Nintendo should only make Wii titles and not make anything else right?

Seriously, you're running around in circles.

sonic_spark

Are you all of a sudden video game analyst? How do you know what people want? 14 million purchases of Zelda this gen alone say people want Zelda. You're making NO SENSE WHATSOEVER.

[QUOTE="Shottayouth13-"][QUOTE="farnham"] yes thats what im saying. nintendo EAD at this point should only make nintendogs, brain training, 2D mario, mario kart and wii sports. thats the games that people wantfarnham

[QUOTE="sonic_spark"]

[QUOTE="farnham"] yup thats where you are wrong. the zelda team actually is the same team that works on the Wii.. titles. ITs called nintendo EAD. outside of EAD tokio (which is a seperate team) it is basically one big team with various groups being built around key members (for example hideki konno or eiji aonuma)

farnham

The Zelda team is different than the Wii team. The EAD has a multitude of different development teams. Wii games are made by development group 2. That is not the same group as the Zelda team.

Yes, both are made in Nintendo's own in house development headquarters, but different teams make different games. If only 1 team was operating, Nintendo could not possibly produce that many games.

No you're officially wrong

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Say that again?

[QUOTE="sonic_spark"]

[QUOTE="farnham"] yes thats what im saying. nintendo EAD at this point should only make nintendogs, brain training, 2D mario, mario kart and wii sports. thats the games that people wantfarnham

Are you all of a sudden video game analyst? How do you know what people want? 14 million purchases of Zelda this gen alone say people want Zelda. You're making NO SENSE WHATSOEVER.

If you read my original post you'd be alienating the core gamers that do purchase Zelda. They also buy systems. If Nintendo stops pumping out core franchises they'll lose that percent of their consumer base.

Think about it this way, Nintendo might not be as successful next gen. By getting rid of their dedicated Nintendo fan base would be bad business. Because the core base is who is going to buy your system generation after generation. And that core group expects their Zelda.

[QUOTE="Thunderdrone"][QUOTE="farnham"] yup 14 million copies lost and probably 80 million untis gained (by the wii titles that the zelda teams made instead of zelda TP, phantom hourglass and spirit tracks)farnham

The Zelda team is composed by over a 100 people.

Say that again?

sonic_spark

there are a lot of people that made other EAD games like mario sunshine, luigi mansion, pikmin 2, mario kart wii etc

Well, it's been said so many times, but, no...

Seriously, no way.

789shadow

LMAO. This..... /thread

Legend of Zelda has lasted near 30 years and each game released sells millions. In short, no.

[QUOTE="Thunderdrone"][QUOTE="farnham"] yup 14 million copies lost and probably 80 million untis gained (by the wii titles that the zelda teams made instead of zelda TP, phantom hourglass and spirit tracks)farnham

Wii Sports was the game that would make or break the Wii and the first to implement an untested and financially unsafe main method of controls.

It probably cost a ton of R&D money too but that hardly indicates the manpower needed for these kind of games.

[QUOTE="sonic_spark"]

Say that again?

farnham

there are a lot of people that made other EAD games like mario sunshine, luigi mansion, pikmin 2 etc

So they have several developers jump from team to team? Point being is that both Wii games, Zelda, Mario etc. are being made all at the same time by DISTINCTLY DIFFERENT TEAMS. All other major companies move personnel around. So why should Nintendo lock a developer into one team. Maybe his part was done who knows?

Bottom line...

1. Zelda does not affect the production of Wii brand titles.

2. Zelda sells big.

3. Nintendo needs to be able to satisfy different markets, which includes their core, who want Zelda.

4. Zelda games are no harder to make now than they were 20 years ago. The same tender love and care go into each title.

5. No other action/adventure even comes close to Zelda.

6. Zelda is guaranteed to sell big regardless.

7. The more development of Wii brand titles will over saturate the market.

8. Zelda will never die.

even though the TC was loaded with a bunch of arguable claims.... I doubt the zelda series will die because they still zell well.

"nintendogs outsells zelda" yeah but as a hardcore game, zelda is doing great. The thing is, you can't just make one type of game, it's more profitable to balance casual/ hardcore games than just make 1 type of games because

a) you run out of fresh ideas

b) people don't want to buy games within small intervals, even it out with hardcore and casual games + spread them evenly in time is ideal I guess.

Excellent Zelda clones? Ha. 2D zelda(3d dot game heroes) isn't exactly a zelda "clone" when it doesn't represent the modern zelda gameplay(3D). Darksiders just sucked ass all around, it was a poor mix of god of war style combat and zelda puzzles. Okami's combat sucked, and the sequel is going to be on the DS. What does that say.

Zelda is still king.

*Sigh* Only in system wars...

zelda was already dead for me since i played alundra on my psx.

bad logic is very very bad....

basically what youre saying is "zelda doesnt sell as well as wii___, so nintendo should kill zelda, thus eliminating any money they would have gained from it.. and that = more profit!" did i get that right?

"With all these excellent Zelda clones. Will the Zelda series finally die?"

I guess those Zelda clones aren't all that great if you hate The Legend of Zelda.

so this is where the mario hype thread went.

If Nintendo wants to appeal to all people, they have to make zelda games just as much as they have to make "wii" games. They haven't even made a nintendogs for the Wii yet, which is smart, because a game about dogs should remain a handheld game so you can take it with you. Or... one where you can transfer your dog to your handheld.

Nintendo is smart, they know what they are doing. Please, just leave it to them. These Zelda clones do not match Zelda's fine-tuned gameplay.

who considers darksiders to be better then zelda?

you may have a point with Okamidon

and there hasnt been a zelda with a 3D dot game hero styIegameplay since the ones on the original Gameboy

farnham officially M.I.A.Thunderdrone

he did that yesterday to me when I brought up a valid argument... wtf? what does he think he's accomplishing with this tactic?

Seriously, no way.

789shadow

lol

I think the TC is trying to show us that nintendo isn't just about making money and is making zelda games and others out of the goodness of thier hearts.

I doubt its quite like that. nintendo knows that gamers still will buy zelda games, and will probably want to for a long time, and so by releasing zelda games periodically, they are actually protecting their investment because if they took too long, and developed nothing but Wii Fit games, and then that type of game fades away, people may have moved on from zelda to other games.

all this really proves is that nintendo still has a shred of common sense and aren't completely irresponsiple regarding their classic franchises most of the time. big deal.

Darksiders came out and people consider it to be way superior then any 3D zelda game ever created and 3D Dot Heroes is considered to be even better then Alttp. farnham

zelda was already dead for me since i played alundra on my psx.

SLI_Gamer

Why do you people always fall for Farnham threads?

He's a pretty big sheep and occasionally makes completely stupid anti-Wii threads to drum up Wii support.

Juken7

exactly what I suspected, and pointed out in a previous thread of his.

it's pretty funny to read though.

I guess he's content with even the slightest compliment for Wii. really shows how low Wii is on the gaming-community totem pole. haha

[QUOTE="Juken7"]

Why do you people always fall for Farnham threads?

He's a pretty big sheep and occasionally makes completely stupid anti-Wii threads to drum up Wii support.

Phaze-Two

exactly what I suspected, and pointed out in a previous thread of his.

it's pretty funny to read though.

I guess he's content with even the slightest compliment for Wii. really shows how low Wii is on the gaming-community totem pole. haha

what totem pole?out of this forum many websites love the wii and what it does to the game industry, everybody has their own opinion though

[QUOTE="farnham"]Darksiders came out and people consider it to be way superior then any 3D zelda game ever created and 3D Dot Heroes is considered to be even better then Alttp. metroidfood

next to the people who claim that wii has nothing but shovelware, is the worst console ever, and is made by a company that has completely turned to utter failure.

he puts these people into the limelight, and then SW calms him down with reasonable responses.

So really TC has succeeded in making SW look like a reasonable place.

Which really works against sheep because, here on SW, Wii gets bashed most.

[QUOTE="Phaze-Two"]

[QUOTE="Juken7"]

Why do you people always fall for Farnham threads?

He's a pretty big sheep and occasionally makes completely stupid anti-Wii threads to drum up Wii support.

Mario1331

exactly what I suspected, and pointed out in a previous thread of his.

it's pretty funny to read though.

I guess he's content with even the slightest compliment for Wii. really shows how low Wii is on the gaming-community totem pole. haha

what totem pole?out of this forum many websites love the wii and what it does to the game industry, everybody has their own opinion though

I did mean the SW totem pole.

I'm currently enjoying the **** out of 3DDGH,and I liked darksiders....but I would laugh in anyone's face if they think for a second that these two games or most other clones could kill Zelda...(although I do *personally* feel Alundra was a tad superior to LTTP).

Besides TC....back in the day ,there were millions upon millions of successful Zelda clones.With your logic,the Zelda franchise should've died back then.