With all this Fallout 3 DLC, has Bethesda forgot what people really want?

[QUOTE="Danm_999"]

[QUOTE="IronBass"] You know this how?blue_hazy_basic

My own feelings, feelings of friends, petitions that circulated the internet during its development, vicious threads here on System Wars, the comparative reception of the announcement of Fallout New Vegas from Obsidian.

I know it's hard to quantify how many people felt this way, but it was a common reaction to Fallout 3 from fans of the series.

Edit: Subrosian did an excellent thread about it about a year ago, which summarises the problems people had with it well.

I am also waiting for the day that TES V will be announced. However, the series really needs to improve itself from Oblivion. Reasons being as following.

-Level scaling must die!

-Instead of removing skills from each game, Bethesda should add new ones instead. From Daggerfall to Morrowind, all those language skills were lost, andfrom Morrowind to Oblivion, spears, enchant, throwing weapons and others were lost.

-The world must be more interesting than Oblivion's. Oblivion had one of the most generic fantasy worlds i've ever seen (exluding the shivering isles expansion pack).

-Let me fight whilst riding!

-More guilds than oblivion.

I am also waiting for the day that TES V will be announced. However, the series really needs to improve itself from Oblivion. Reasons being as following.

-Level scaling must die!

-Instead of removing skills from each game, Bethesda should add new ones instead. From Daggerfall to Morrowind, all those language skills were lost, andfrom Morrowind to Oblivion, spears, enchant, throwing weapons and others were lost.

-The world must be more interesting than Oblivion's. Oblivion had one of the most generic fantasy worlds i've ever seen (exluding the shivering isles expansion pack).

-Let me fight whilst riding!

-More guilds than oblivion.

[QUOTE="mand_450"]

I am also waiting for the day that TES V will be announced. However, the series really needs to improve itself from Oblivion. Reasons being as following.

-Level scaling must die!

-Instead of removing skills from each game, Bethesda should add new ones instead. From Daggerfall to Morrowind, all those language skills were lost, andfrom Morrowind to Oblivion, spears, enchant, throwing weapons and others were lost.

-The world must be more interesting than Oblivion's. Oblivion had one of the most generic fantasy worlds i've ever seen (exluding the shivering isles expansion pack).

-Let me fight whilst riding!

-More guilds than oblivion.

blue_hazy_basic

But there was no level scaling in Mor... Oh :lol:

[QUOTE="blue_hazy_basic"][QUOTE="Danm_999"]

My own feelings, feelings of friends, petitions that circulated the internet during its development, vicious threads here on System Wars, the comparative reception of the announcement of Fallout New Vegas from Obsidian.

I know it's hard to quantify how many people felt this way, but it was a common reaction to Fallout 3 from fans of the series.

Edit: Subrosian did an excellent thread about it about a year ago, which summarises the problems people had with it well.

heretrix

People weren't ever denying it wasn't going to be a good game, and it was a good game.

The complaint was it wasn't going to be a very faithful Fallout game, and it wasn't to the same extent as 1 and 2. It's a different issue really.

[QUOTE="heretrix"]

[QUOTE="blue_hazy_basic"] Wasn't that prior to release? I think sub, much like me, admitted afterwards it was a good game as long as you didn't get caught up in wanting it to be like the other fallouts. I could be wrong.Danm_999

My main issue with Fallout 3 aswell. It was basically just 'Oblivion with guns' plus more choices. And you couldn't kill children!

My own feelings, feelings of friends, petitions that circulated the internet during its development, vicious threads here on System Wars, the comparative reception of the announcement of Fallout New Vegas from Obsidian.

I know it's hard to quantify how many people felt this way, but it was a common reaction to Fallout 3 from fans of the series.

Edit: Subrosian did an excellent thread about it about a year ago, which summarises the problems people had with it well.

Danm_999

Wow, that really seem to be a definitive proof that "for to many fans of the series, it was a major reversion" (not really, it was sarcasm).

[QUOTE="Danm_999"]

[QUOTE="IronBass"] You know this how?IronBass

My own feelings, feelings of friends, petitions that circulated the internet during its development, vicious threads here on System Wars, the comparative reception of the announcement of Fallout New Vegas from Obsidian.

I know it's hard to quantify how many people felt this way, but it was a common reaction to Fallout 3 from fans of the series.

Edit: Subrosian did an excellent thread about it about a year ago, which summarises the problems people had with it well.

I know we can't quantify the numbers, but we know it was a common reaction. Danm_999

Just look at that thread link I posted.Danm_999

We don't "know" that. You are assuming it.Danm_999

Not really. I'm not assuming there was any particular number or percentage, I'm just noting there was an anti-Bethesda zeitgeist, the criticism of Fallout 3 as "Oblivion with guns" before Fallout 3's release.

And there was. Whether or not it was justified, whether or not it was the majority of people, is not important to my point. But it existed.

A thread that was made before the game was even released.Danm_999

So? People knew enough about many of the choices Bethesda was taking, had seen footage of it in action, had read their interviews to recognise different directions were being taken from the original.

Not to say it wasn't a good game, it was just different from other Fallout games. Obviously those emotionally invested in the franchise will have something to say about that.

So? Danm_999

[QUOTE="Danm_999"]So? IronBass

Why not?Danm_999

[QUOTE="Danm_999"]Why not?IronBass

You didn't have to play the game to know it was switching from isometric to first person.

You didn't have to play the game to know combat was being emphasised as the central mode of gameplay, whereas previously it was a single option amongst many.

You didn't have to play the game to know it would be utilising level scaling.

You didn't have to play the game to know it was taking out things like violence against children, the ability to create a character so stupid they couldn't speak, or so weak they couldn't fight.

All you had to do to find out many of these things, issues which vastly altered the course of Fallout, was watch and read previews or developer statements.

It's not an issue of the game's quality, it's the games fidelity to the original titles.Danm_999

[QUOTE="Danm_999"]It's not an issue of the game's quality, it's the games fidelity to the original titles.IronBass

To play the semantics game, reversion means a change in direction (specifically, the opposite direction). This is true of Fallout 3, it went in a different direction; an combat centric RPG with a first person view.Danm_999

[QUOTE="Danm_999"]To play the semantics game, reversion means a change in direction (specifically, the opposite direction). This is true of Fallout 3, it went in a different direction; an combat centric RPG with a first person view.IronBass

Edit: Subrosian did an excellent thread about it about a year ago, which summarises the problems people had with it well.

Danm_999

I have yet to play Fallout 3, but I somewhat enjoyed Oblivion. My only real gripe was there were so many instances that broke immersion.

Still a fun game though. In fact, I stumbled across this hilarious forum post the other day.

Why would their opinions change? Danm_999

[QUOTE="Danm_999"]Why would their opinions change? IronBass

Everyone keeps talking about how depressing Fallout 3 was. Am I the only one who thought the game was a comedy? You shoot people with a pistol and their head will explode or their leg will go flying off. You walk into that bar in Megaton and some guy with a 1920 gangster voice is like, "I've got a client who really wants to see things heat up in this town if you catch my drift. You can get some major caps in the fallout." That was like the silliest **** i've heard in a game in a long time. And the dialog only got goofier, cheesier and sillier from there. The super mutants all sound like a Pee Wee Herman character.

F3 turned out to be Oblivion with guns and a bit of added depth.

rpg wise it does'nt hold a candle to the old ones (someone already mentioned how your char with low int would be too stupid to talk properly).

It's still a good game but it definitely took an rpg franchise and made it more casual.

And yeah, I would've much preferred that the first three DLC had been one big and more thorough expansion.

Serving bite sized "expansions" is more profitable obviously.... And sadly.

I want them to take there time, so its not like Oblivion. SAGE_OF_FIRE

I think only a small part of the team works on the Fallout 3 DLC and the majority probably works on ESV, its not like you can only have people working on one project at the time.

I think some people in this thread are forgetting about Fallout: New Vegas.It's not been made by Bethesda so there is a very good chance that they are working on TES 5.

MJPK

I want more of my Fallout 3. Anyway, it doesn't take too large a team to make a few side-quests, and Bethesda has iD now, so they have a pretty big team left to work on it.enterawesome