With Blizzard dead and Bioware in turmoil, is Bethesda #1?

CD Project Red

Blizzard games are boring.

The Blizzard we grew up with is no more. While Diablo 2 and Warcraft 3 remain high-water marks in gaming, the cash cow that was WoW attracted too many bean counters who systematically ruined Blizzard, culminating in the most disappointing video game of all time: Diablo 3. Don't bother getting your hopes up for Titan, which will have facebook connections and God knows what other casual crap in it. Blizzard is dead.

Bioware seems to be going through internal struggles of its own, and Bioshock Infinite is more of a wait-and-see than it is a definite Day One purchase for anyone who's been paying attention to all the important people bailing out on the project. I'm cautiously optimistic but I'll wait to see what GAMERS, not crappy review sites, have to say about the game before buying it.

Bethesda, on the other hand, just made a new Skyrim DLC that is already getting AAA scores. Fallout 3 and Skyrim are two of the best games of this gen, hands down. If you disagree you're either a 10 year old Sheep or a CoD knuckle-dragger - period. Bethesda is probably working on Fallout 4 as you read this, which should get every red blooded gamer hyped!

So... is Bethesda the best developer left standing? I think so...

trollop_scat

There there, it will be okay.

I guess what I am saying is that Bioware is dead. They've been dead from the day EA bought them, just like every other gaming company EA buys (Mythic) Bethseda and Ubisoft are definitely the two top developers right now. I refuse to buy another EA game.

LLYNCES

Great post, consider me convinced!

Your detailed-yet-brief post, combined with your Bethesda appreciation, shows you really do know what you're talking about. This may be a SW first. Bravo...

Valve

LOL at any of those devs in the poll being the best. Sseriously its downright hillarious :P.

You forgot CDProject, which made a better RPG than all of those 3's recent attempts.

Expect Cyberpunk to stomp.

[QUOTE="shakmaster13"]So much butthurt at Bethesda being the best developer this generation. They are single handedly pushing the RPG genre forward with sandbox design. DarkLink77

[QUOTE="DarkLink77"][QUOTE="shakmaster13"]So much butthurt at Bethesda being the best developer this generation. They are single handedly pushing the RPG genre forward with sandbox design. shakmaster13

Sandbox games frighten Darklink, he needs sidescrollers and linear corridor shooters or he feels as lost as did that one time he left his parent's house. He told his mom he was running away because she wouldn't get him a Wii, she called his bluff and packed his bags for him. He didn't like the feeling of sunlight on his skin and almost got run over every time he tried to wonder off. He finally made it back to his dingy room but swore off all sandbox games - no R*, no Bethesda, no FarCry 3. He just wants to save the princess for the 10,098th time for a digital kiss on the cheek. Better than no love at all, I guess...

Sandbox games frighten Darklink, he needs sidescrollers and linear corridor shooters or he feels as lost as did that one time he left his parent's house. He told his mom he was running away because she wouldn't get him a Wii, she called his bluff and packed his bags for him. He didn't like the feeling of sunlight on his skin and almost got run over every time he tried to wonder off. He finally made it back to his dingy room but swore off all sandbox games - no R*, no Bethesda, no FarCry 3. He just wants to save the princess for the 10,098th time for a digital kiss on the cheek. Better than no love at all, I guess...

trollop_scat

Sandbox games frighten Darklink, he needs sidescrollers and linear corridor shooters or he feels as lost as did that one time he left his parent's house. He told his mom he was running away because she wouldn't get him a Wii, she called his bluff and packed his bags for him. He didn't like the feeling of sunlight on his skin and almost got run over every time he tried to wonder off. He finally made it back to his dingy room but swore off all sandbox games - no R*, no Bethesda, no FarCry 3. He just wants to save the princess for the 10,098th time for a digital kiss on the cheek. Better than no love at all, I guess...

trollop_scat

Sandbox games frighten Darklink, he needs sidescrollers and linear corridor shooters or he feels as lost as did that one time he left his parent's house. He told his mom he was running away because she wouldn't get him a Wii, she called his bluff and packed his bags for him. He didn't like the feeling of sunlight on his skin and almost got run over every time he tried to wonder off. He finally made it back to his dingy room but swore off all sandbox games - no R*, no Bethesda, no FarCry 3. He just wants to save the princess for the 10,098th time for a digital kiss on the cheek. Better than no love at all, I guess...

trollop_scat

So this is what pathetic looks like.

You have some issues son.

[QUOTE="Goyoshi12"]

[QUOTE="Ly_the_Fairy"]

Well here you go then :P

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Rocker6

Is what Danny said in EFMS true? About how on modern PC's you need that DOSBox thing installed?

Yeah, both games require DOSBOX. But don't worry, there are installers on the Internet that make the process fairly easy, if you wish to try the games out...

Installers? Like what?

Street Cleaning Simulator GOTD

[QUOTE="Zophar87"]

Blizzard is dead? wat?

DarkLink77

This your right he sounds so foolish

[QUOTE="DarkLink77"][QUOTE="Zophar87"]

Blizzard is dead? wat?

HaloPimp978

This your right he sounds so foolish

Anybody calling anything "the best" is an idiot.

Rockstar has been the King since last gen.

i still love Fallout New Vegas so I guess I agree.GunSmith1_basic

Easily one of the best games this gen, I can't believe GS gave it a 7.5! God I hate gaming journalism...

[QUOTE="GunSmith1_basic"]i still love Fallout New Vegas so I guess I agree.trollop_scat

Easily one of the best games this gen, I can't believe GS gave it a 7.5! God I hate gaming journalism...

It got 8.5 for the PC.

The Blizzard we grew up with is no more. While Diablo 2 and Warcraft 3 remain high-water marks in gaming, the cash cow that was WoW attracted too many bean counters who systematically ruined Blizzard, culminating in the most disappointing video game of all time: Diablo 3. Don't bother getting your hopes up for Titan, which will have facebook connections and God knows what other casual crap in it. Blizzard is dead.

Bioware seems to be going through internal struggles of its own, and Bioshock Infinite is more of a wait-and-see than it is a definite Day One purchase for anyone who's been paying attention to all the important people bailing out on the project. I'm cautiously optimistic but I'll wait to see what GAMERS, not crappy review sites, have to say about the game before buying it.

Bethesda, on the other hand, just made a new Skyrim DLC that is already getting AAA scores. Fallout 3 and Skyrim are two of the best games of this gen, hands down. If you disagree you're either a 10 year old Sheep or a CoD knuckle-dragger - period. Bethesda is probably working on Fallout 4 as you read this, which should get every red blooded gamer hyped!

So... is Bethesda the best developer left standing? I think so...

trollop_scat

Nintendo?

[QUOTE="GunSmith1_basic"]i still love Fallout New Vegas so I guess I agree.trollop_scat

Easily one of the best games this gen, I can't believe GS gave it a 7.5! God I hate gaming journalism...

[QUOTE="GunSmith1_basic"]i still love Fallout New Vegas so I guess I agree.trollop_scat

Easily one of the best games this gen, I can't believe GS gave it a 7.5! God I hate gaming journalism...

PC version got a well deserved 8.5, but since it is the single buggiest game this entire generation (on PC, and significantly more on consoles), than it's hard to argue with the score. New Vegas is almost literally unplayable on consoles with the framerate drops, crashes, game ending bugs, and incredibly dated combat and animations. Everything else is good, but you can't forgive a game this unplayable, even by Bethesda standards it was amazingly buggy, and Bethesda only published it!

For the record, I loved New Vegas and I love Fallout in general (3 is my favorite, even though I played the classics and Tactics quite a bit).

Well damn...I didn't realize blizzard died.

The Blizzard we grew up with is no more. While Diablo 2 and Warcraft 3 remain high-water marks in gaming, the cash cow that was WoW attracted too many bean counters who systematically ruined Blizzard, culminating in the most disappointing video game of all time: Diablo 3. Don't bother getting your hopes up for Titan, which will have facebook connections and God knows what other casual crap in it. Blizzard is dead.

Bioware seems to be going through internal struggles of its own, and Bioshock Infinite is more of a wait-and-see than it is a definite Day One purchase for anyone who's been paying attention to all the important people bailing out on the project. I'm cautiously optimistic but I'll wait to see what GAMERS, not crappy review sites, have to say about the game before buying it.

Bethesda, on the other hand, just made a new Skyrim DLC that is already getting AAA scores. Fallout 3 and Skyrim are two of the best games of this gen, hands down. If you disagree you're either a 10 year old Sheep or a CoD knuckle-dragger - period. Bethesda is probably working on Fallout 4 as you read this, which should get every red blooded gamer hyped!

So... is Bethesda the best developer left standing? I think so...

trollop_scat

trollop_scat

Lol R* now as well as before.

Diablo III is a huge disappointment, but it's still better than every single game Bethesda has ever made. And Blizzard also recently released StarCraft II. You know, the best RTS game of all time. And you're comparing that to Bethesda's DLC and crap like Fallout 3 and Skyrim? :lol:

Bethesda is trash. Even BioWare makes better games.

Come at me.

DarkLink77

Diablo 3 selling is like CoD selling, it rode a hype train an people got on board. That game was a 7, in fact its barly a 7 now with months of patching.

Starcraft 2.... is good for some I guess. I bought it for custom maps, they all blow. It is a shadow of what War 3 had.

Kotr online is bad, sooooooooooooo bad, sure mass effect 3 wasn't the wost game ever but their MMO was FF14 levels.

Atleast Bethesda does have Skyrim, Fallout 3 an NV which are all 8's or above. I personally cannot see how one could be looking forward to another ME or blizzard game. Bethesda though, sure I could do another one of their fallouts.

Atleast Bethesda does have Skyrim, Fallout 3 an NV which are all 8's or above.

Valknut4

[QUOTE="Valknut4"]

Atleast Bethesda does have Skyrim, Fallout 3 an NV which are all 8's or above.

jg4xchamp

[QUOTE="jg4xchamp"]

[QUOTE="Valknut4"]

Atleast Bethesda does have Skyrim, Fallout 3 an NV which are all 8's or above.

Ravenshout

Hahahahaaahahahahahahahahaah what the f*ck?

New Vegas is almost literally unplayable on consoles with the framerate drops, crashes, game ending bugs, and incredibly dated combat and animations. SPYDER0416

Are we talking about New Vegas or Skyrim? :shock: Sounds like every Bethesda game actually.

Everything else is good, but you can't forgive a game this unplayable, even by Bethesda standards it was amazingly buggy, and Bethesda only published it!

SPYDER0416

Was only incredibly buggy because Bethesda forced Obsidian to use Gamebyro.

Blizzard are dead?

Lel, HOTS is looking amazing with the new beta patch, MOP is by far the best expansion, Diablo 3 was a dissapointment but otherwise a good game.

Well OP is right about something. Blizzard hasn't made a quality game since Warcraft 3, a DECADE ago.

Well OP is right about something. Blizzard hasn't made a quality game since Warcraft 3, a DECADE ago.

Socijalisticka

Bioware needs to be put out of it's misery, fast.

Blizzard scored a hit for me with Starcraft 2, but they need to bring back the Warcraft RTS. Warcraft 4, make it happen Blizzard.

Bethesda, I didn't like Skyrim at all. however, fallout NV is one of my favorite games this gen, looking forward to see what they'll do with Fallout 4.

[QUOTE="Socijalisticka"]

Well OP is right about something. Blizzard hasn't made a quality game since Warcraft 3, a DECADE ago.

DarkLink77

RTSes have changed quite a bit in the last decade. In order to maintain the competitive sphere of Starcraft (at their mercy as well as of the fanbase), Blizzard had to adopt the same structural designs, with its simplicity of economical management, micro, unit control, base defense, etc. of Starcraft. I think they were caught in between the necessary conceptual changes and the "e-sports" aspect of Starcraft. And this is their ultimate demise.

oh and BNet 2.0.

[QUOTE="DarkLink77"][QUOTE="Socijalisticka"]

Well OP is right about something. Blizzard hasn't made a quality game since Warcraft 3, a DECADE ago.

Socijalisticka

RTSes have changed quite a bit in the last decade. In order to maintain the competitive sphere of Starcraft (at their mercy as well as of the fanbase), Blizzard had to adopt the same structural designs, with its simplicity of economical management, micro, unit control, base defense, etc. of Starcraft. I think they were caught in between the necessary conceptual changes and the "e-sports" aspect of Starcraft. And this is their ultimate demise.

oh and BNet 2.0.

Good Game, my friend, Good Game.

[QUOTE="Socijalisticka"]

Well OP is right about something. Blizzard hasn't made a quality game since Warcraft 3, a DECADE ago.

DarkLink77

But WoW came out in 2004.

I'll take Blizzard games anyday over Bethesda's !!!!!

Fallout 3 was a COMPLETE betrayal to Fallout both lore and gameplaywise, and Skyrim is basicly, Mabinogi. But singleplayer, less balanced, less enemy variety, less content, worse quests, and worse in every way. Oh, and Mabinogi actually provides challenge, Skyrim doesn't, even on the highest difficulty.

Skyrim is a manual on how to NOT make a game. Every single aspect of that game was bad.

This is how I assume Todd Howard's job interview went.

Diablo III is a huge disappointment, but it's still better than every single game Bethesda has ever made. And Blizzard also recently released StarCraft II. You know, the best RTS game of all time. And you're comparing that to Bethesda's DLC and crap like Fallout 3 and Skyrim? :lol:

Bethesda is trash. Even BioWare makes better games.

Come at me.

DarkLink77

Not to mention, Mists of Pandaria is the best WoW expansion since TBC.
Not to mention, Heart of the Swarm will come out soon.

Sandbox games frighten Darklink, he needs sidescrollers and linear corridor shooters or he feels as lost as did that one time he left his parent's house. He told his mom he was running away because she wouldn't get him a Wii, she called his bluff and packed his bags for him. He didn't like the feeling of sunlight on his skin and almost got run over every time he tried to wonder off. He finally made it back to his dingy room but swore off all sandbox games - no R*, no Bethesda, no FarCry 3. He just wants to save the princess for the 10,098th time for a digital kiss on the cheek. Better than no love at all, I guess...

trollop_scat

Wait?

Skyrim is a sandbox? I could have sworn that game is freeroam. If it is a sandbox, Skyrim would be a really crappy sandbox, I mean, the sandbox elements in Skyrim are pathetic. Even WoW offers better sandbox elements than Skyrim and WoW is not trying to be a sandbox.

As for DarkLink. He just likes games with depth and challenge. Like stuff that Blizzard provides :)