Without GamePass, Halo Infinite would be the hardest big budget $60 sell in recent memory.

Its time to wake up, lems. We're not playing games anymore.


1- The game is made by 343i. Their last two mainline Halo games were an abomination. They simply don't understand Halo, which is the cold hard truth many will refuse to accept because they know damn well they're stuck with them, anyways.

2- Master Chief collection was one of the biggest cluesterf*cks in gaming history, and of course 343i was in charge.

3- The multiplayer is not bundled in with its $60 campaign, so if you primarily care about its multiplayer (like many do), there's no reason for you to even think of buying a boxed copy of the game.

4- No co-op for the first three months. By the time its patched in, the game might be 50% off at that point. They got an additional year for this game, and it doesn't even have a coop mode, the main reason why the Halo series was always fun on Legendary with a bud.

5- Almost one full year since the LUL demo reveal, and we haven't seen anything else but a very limited AND touched up screenshots of their "upgraded" visuals. Having confidence in their product is not what 343i has ever heard off of. Most certainly gonna be hiding gameplay until the very end for minimal PR nightmare and memes all of the web (just like what CDPR did with their console version of CP2077).

6- The beta ran like shit on pc, even if you owned a 3070/3080. Now, i know what most will say "bu bu but it was a beta. it will improve!". Sorry to break it to you, but a beta, in most cases, are nothing else but a demo these days. Most improvements you will see is in the balance of the game, not performance. And if the game has trouble reaching 60fps on a 3080 at launch, they will make a bunch of blog posts trying to calm everyone down and promise better optimization, etc. Like an additional year wasn't enough for that. Imagine how the state the game would've been if it launched last year LOL. 41fps on a 3080 ez pz.


All in all, nobody but the biggest Halo fans would even think of buying the campaign for $60. And we don't even know how long the campaign is gonna be. It could be a shallow 7h long campaign for $60. Be glad GP is a thing, or the incredibly low sales of Infinite would've ruined the image of Halo forever. The glory days of Halo are long gone, and nobody at MS is talented enough to reboot the series like what Santa Monica did with GoW2018. It is what it is.

how is 343i still in business?

Halo Infinite is going to sell well regardless of 343 mediocrity.

Infinite's main goal is to bring people into GP.

But will it? If the multiplayer wasn't f2p, i'd agree, but just for the campaign, campagn they aren't even showing and its missing a core feature (coop)? I don't know about that.

@hardwenzen: If it ends up being good it will bring a lot of people in, big IF though.

Exactly, big IF.

This wouldn't be needed if the multiplayer wasn't free. They would certainly make less money with mtx, but it would, without a doubt, bring more people to GP.

@hardwenzen: I'll be playing Halo MP for free day one on PC

I'll be playing Halo SP day one on gamepass with my $10 sub.

So for $10 bucks I get both day 1.

Awesome sauce.

Going to be fun next 3 months up untill launch on System Wars. I expect at least 2-5 Halo Infinite threads a day untill launch.

Especially since Cows have nothing to talk about for the rest of the year. They might as well talk about Halo.

@sargentd: Admit it, even if they were relaunching Halo 5, you'd be all over it. If it says Halo on the box, you're getting it. If everyone was like you, halo as a franchise wouldn't be in a severe declide for years.

I was gonna buy it on Steam anyway. Plus, if it turns out to be shit, (which I highly likely doubt) I can always ask for a refund. Either way, I win.

@hardwenzen: I'd like to see Halo 5 ported to MCC in the future, been having a blast with MCC on PC

I mean for 10$ I get Halo MP and SP day one to play. I have no reason to buy BF or COD for $70. December will be the month of Halo.

Eh, I enjoyed Halo 4 and 5 well enough to have been pretty happy with those purchases so I certainly would have bought Infinite too. With Game Pass being how it is though I’ll just get it from there and I’m quite satisfied to keep my subscription running to continue to play it along with many other games that are currently on the service and any that hit the service in the future.

As for the missing co-op and Forge at launch I can understand why some would be upset about that but personally they aren’t features that I ever used. They will come out later on though so I may or may not check them out when they do. Most likely though I’ll probably just do a quick perfunctory check of them if any at all. I’ll just stick to playing through the campaign stuff on solo and playing a whole bunch of multiplayer online.

Well you'd have me at the third point. Yes, I only ever cared about Halos mp. Wouldn't play the campaigns for free.

Still, can think of plenty of other full priced games that would be less appealing.

My brother is a huge Halo fan and would easily preordered the game if Game Pass didn't have it. I know that the online not being at launch would probably be a negative for my brother as he enjoys playing with his friends for co-op and online. I am not a huge Halo fan but don't care for the multiplayer as I stuck at it. I only care about the campaign and will probably just do that and get my monies worth.

You could say the same about Horizon zero dawn, but look how that turned out. Guerrilla Games have a terrible record and created a game that was in a different genre compared to their previous efforts. Horizon had no MP or Co -op, very little reply value to it. All the same things you are slating 343i for.

Then you look at Santa Monica Studio and ready at dawn, the teams that brought us video game delights such as GoW, Everyone's gone to Rapture etc but then the craptacular The order:1866, PlayStation All Star battle royale. These games by well respected devs were hyped to the heavens on SW before release along with games like driveclub yet turned out to be dogshit.

This is just you fear mongering as it's a MS product. All games runs the risk of not living up to the hype and some exceed the hype that has been heaped on it. All we can do is wait for the final products and judge.

Also 343i on metacritic;

Halo 4 at 87

Halo 5 at 84

MCC at 85

Good scores all round.

It's being made by 343. That's all I need to know to know it will be total trash.

You cannot compare 343 to Guerilla and Horizon. It is not remotely the same. 343 has made two Halo games prior. Guerilla made Horizon a new IP and it was a hit and people expect the sequel to be equally great. No-one is concerned about the quality of the next game.

However, the same cannot be said about 343. It is true that all games run the risk of not living up to the hype and some exceed the hype, but we have a game that has been delayed a year; 12 months, and it is still missing features. That would be red flag for any game. Halo should not and will not be given an exemption.

Totally. But some need more reasons, and reasons are straight in their face.

Will be interesting to see how the campaign holds up in terms of its narrative/storytelling and length. Halo 5 had excellent gameplay with excellent multiplayer but the game felt disjointed with some its pacing and the storytelling was lacking. In fact, I can't even recall most aspects about the game's story. Clearly forgettable, where as I played through the first 4 games multiple times over and over.

I don't doubt that Infinite will have the same great gameplay which defines Halo, but I do wonder if they'll be more flash-over-substance for their narrative. Either way, like 343's prior games, I expect a good experience through and through.

I agree halo shouldn't be a given an exemption, because there are red flags but as no one has actually played the campaign no one can actually judge on it.

I used guerilla games as an example not to either downplay or to over hype any game due to the previous work of a dev. With him then sprouting other theories my comparison does work.

TC saying that 343i's halo games were an abomination, yet in reality they weren't. Were they as good as the previous bungie Halo's, no but still quality games as mirrored in the MC scores. People were excited for Halo 5, with it being the fastest and i think the best selling halo to date, the multiplayer is still being played 6yrs after its release proves that 343 did a good job with 5. I dont believe that most people are concerned about the actually quality of the gameplay, story yes probably and people are gutted that certain features will be missing at launch. With forge being on mutliplayer component, why is TC moaning about it when talking SP? Then we look at the history of guerilla games and killzone! yet even though the first horizon was good, we dont know how good the next one will be, take killzone 2 and it sequels.

TC also moaning that about the campaign length ( which we don't know)and that its missing co-op, so again we can go back to my horizon comparison, which for no matter how good horizon is, its a once and done type of game with little to no replayability value. So taking out the multiplayer aspect of halo then we have 2 single player games which offer nothing outside of the campaign.

I don't agree with TC's typical brain dread nonsense. 343 games are ok. Halo 4-5 looked amazing. With that said, there are valid concerns with the manner in which this game was handled. There was a certain degree of trust with regards to the progress of development but that was shattered last year. More time was allotted and it seems as though the game was not in a good place a year ago and I am not convinced it is in a good place now because the flags are similar if not potentially worse.

I liked Halo 4, MCC, and Halo 5, so I don't think it is going to do all that bad, being on Game Pass might make it a harder sell since it seems to be more about pushing subscriptions. Having no co-op is going to be a drag but I am still going to be playing it anyways.

@hardwenzen: wow, you continue to amaze me with your horrible taste in games. First you bash the RE series, mainly re4 which is considered one of the greatest games of all time, calling re8 trash, now you're saying halo is low quality and wouldn't sell if it weren't on GP?? You're wrong about pretty much everything, in fact you're takes are amazing. I'm actually curious, what games do you think are good?

Are you drunk? I said RE8 is garbage, not RE as a series. I love RE4, scrub. And what does taste in games have anything to do with me saying that 343i Halo wouldn't sell when its not bundled in with multiplayer and the rest of things i posted?

I won't tell you what games i consider as good because you're drunk.

This is my problem with Microsoft's approach to games via game pass right now. Infinite is supposed to be a 10 year Halo game? I feel like this is an excuse not only to sell people a game as a service, but also release an unfinished game and work on it through the years. Screw that. If the game isn't ready, which it most definitely isn't, then don't release it.

Infinite screams of "Let's make some quick cash off the game, if it sucks who cares people will give us money because it says Halo" Then after launch it'll be no where near as played as COD, Battlefield and whatever flavor of the month MP game is out.

Wait, so is Halo Infinite's single player campaign not going to be available on GamePass?

Yeh, Sony studios may release games that are primarily single player experiences but you'll never catch them so money-hungry that they're willing to disrespect their franchises and fans like this. You summed up perfectly what is going on here.

Can't wait until December.

@mysticaldonut: I agree it should be delayed until co-op is ready, Forge mode can wait though, they should release the MP for now and keep working on the co-op until it is ready

That being said, if it is available to play later this year regardless, I will be playing it

I’m so glad that Game Pass was there to save a failing franchise known as Halo. It just so sad to see a series destroyed by 343. I really wished that bungie didn’t quit making halo games:(

@hardwenzen: Poor hardwenzen. So full of jelly, he has to make Halo bashing threads.

You should just end the jelly and get an XBOX. This is just sad at this point.

Microsoft truly lives in your head, rent free, 24/7.

The only who has ever lived rent free in my head is I_P_Daily. MS will never get inside, so get your facts straight.

Also, i own a pc that is waiting on a gpu, so all your games, i can play them for $1, while running and looking better.😭Nice try, tho but nobody wants to have an inferior experience of the Xbox.

its a super tough sell at 60 bux

@hardwenzen: You can't shut up about Microsoft, bro. You don't see 100s of threads about God Of War started by lems in here, do you?

It's really sad. Just get an XBox - you'll feel better.

What do you want lems to say about GoW? That its an amazing game and that the studio in charage is one of the best in the industry? There is nothing but praise to be said about GoW, and lems are not gonna be praising GoW😊
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And so you could feel better, i own a 360 still, so i do technically own an Xbox

Now, do you actually have a crystal ball telling you Halo Infinite will be a fail, or is this more wishful thinking?

"Charging for a $60 SP campaign would be a hard sell"

*Looks over at Sony selling remasters of SP only PS4 games at full price*

The tables have turned a bit. I am seeing "bu buh but Sony" as Xbox fannies new line of defense. 😂🤣

The reason why it wouldn't sell if gp wasn't a thing are mentioned in the OP.

And as a cow, i am against it and are bitchin' about it in every thread.

Well at least you admit the competition is doing what your complaining about lol.

I mean at least MS isn't charging $70 for its first party.

Also making Everything day 1 on games pass giving gamers the option to try anything for $10 a month.

Honestly tho, Halo infinite campaign for $60. Built with a new engine and a more open world will do fine in the current landscape. Especially when the competition (Sony and Nintendo) is offering less for more money.

The Halo MP is the focal point for me personally and I'm getting it for free... compared to what Sony and Nintendo are charging... MS are saints.

@hardwenzen: My point is, you don't see a bunch of lems creating threads about PS5 games; at least not in the volume or furor that you cows do.

You cows make a new Halo thread almost daily - its pretty sad and pathetic.

@Pedro: Halo Infinite will be a great game, regardless of what the haters say. It will be one of the most played games on XBL, and will be a system seller.

Happy?

And my point being, you don't see them create many threads about Sony exclusives because they're stellar games, and you won't see a lem creating a thread to praise a sony game. With all the gamepass shovelware the Xbox gets, there's plenty to talk about.

And its not sad nor pathetic to have an Infinite thread once a day. We keep the game popular, you should thank us🙃

Thanks for sharing your prediction.

I have to ask who exactly is going to be paying $60 for Halo Infinite? If you have a PC or an Xbox just sign up to Gamepass for a month I honestly don't know why anyone would even consider buying it full price. I'm signed up already so it's 'free' day one for me.

Whether it's going to be worth playing or not of course we don't know but it's not going to cost much to find out and I'm hoping it will be great. I'm one of those weirdos who wants games to be good instead of desperately wanting them to fail so I can rush on to the internet and tell everyone how right I was to be moaning about it for a year without even playing it.

@blueinheaven: Some people strongly prefer to own their games. 🤷🏽‍♂️

I suppose if you want a physical copy you might look at things differently but on PC my copy will be digital anyway and if I feel I want to play it again say a year from now it will cost very little to buy.

Regardless, full price games are a thing of the past for me with very few exceptions (Far Cry 6, Elden Ring, Dragon Age 5 whatever that turns out to be) so I suppose I'm judging people on my own preferences I will strive to be more understanding of people making strange decisions in the future.

@blueinheaven: I agree with your reasons, for I also share that sentiment but some folks have shown that they are very passionate about ownership.

@hardwenzen: If they are so stellar, why aren't you talking about them?