Woe be the PC game developer these days!!!!

Read it for yourself!

And I quote!!! "These are hard numbers for any PC developer to ignore, and from the tone of Fitch's message board rant the other day, things are likely to get much worse before they get better. Or should that be "if" they get better?"

"I didn't believe [the data] at first. It seemed way too high. Then I saw that Bioshock was selling 5 to 1 on console vs. PC. And Call of Duty 4 was selling 10 to 1. "jasonheyman

"Coming off the big commercial success (2.2 million units sold) and even bigger critical success of the game, Levine has become one of the very few recognizable and respected names in the videogame development community and he's trying to use that to get the creative freedom and compensation he feels he deserves..."

NVIDIA statement:

http://www.eurogamer.net/article.php?article_id=148824&page=2

"A very successful PC game sells 2 to 3 million - well, we have more than enough GeForce users for that too. Crysis has sold over a million copies on PC, despite everything. BioShock sold over a million on PC. Pick any successful PC title you can think of - selling over a million is being done, and will continue to happen."

http://www.gamespot.com/pages/forums/show_msgs.php?topic_id=26438273

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"I didn't believe [the data] at first. It seemed way too high. Then I saw that Bioshock was selling 5 to 1 on console vs. PC. And Call of Duty 4 was selling 10 to 1. "jasonheyman

ooo did the little itsy bitsy hermits hit a nerve.

comparing all 3 consoles to one pc . :roll:

ooo did the little itsy bitsy hermits hit a nerve.

comparing all 3 consoles to one pc . :roll:

jaisimar_chelse

No they didn't! But everyone wants facts. Yeah the article is a few months old so what! Just making a point;)

[QUOTE="jaisimar_chelse"]

ooo did the little itsy bitsy hermits hit a nerve.

comparing all 3 consoles to one pc . :roll:

jasonheyman

No they didn't! But everyone wants facts. Yeah the article is a few months old so what! Just making a point;)

What point? That you just made this thread to piss off the hermits?

What point? That you just made this thread to piss off the hermits? VoodooGamer

Do you like putting words in my mouth lmao! This is a debate forum is it not? Don't like my opinion than don't post in the thread;)

Simple! Yes? No?

[QUOTE="jaisimar_chelse"]

ooo did the little itsy bitsy hermits hit a nerve.

comparing all 3 consoles to one pc . :roll:

jasonheyman

No they didn't! But everyone wants facts. Yeah the article is a few months old so what! Just making a point;)

oh hey ppl 360 has lost this war . wii and ps3 are selling more units combined than 360

C wut 1 did thar ?!?

[oh hey ppl 360 has lost this war . wii and ps3 are selling more units combined than 360

C wut 1 did thar ?!?

jaisimar_chelse

NO! I did not post a rant! I posted an article stating facts! Difference!...

[QUOTE="jaisimar_chelse"][oh hey ppl 360 has lost this war . wii and ps3 are selling more units combined than 360

C wut 1 did thar ?!?

jasonheyman

NO! I did not post a rant! I posted an article stating facts! Difference!...

2 ppl above also posted facts . Difference

[QUOTE="jaisimar_chelse"][oh hey ppl 360 has lost this war . wii and ps3 are selling more units combined than 360

C wut 1 did thar ?!?

jasonheyman

NO! I did not post a rant! I posted an article stating facts! Difference!...

Still dont know what FACT means do you? and yes, hes still having a tantrum from the other day so hes decided to troll hermits.

2 ppl above also posted facts . Difference jaisimar_chelse

I do read them you know!

I take facts into consideration!

But the article I posted the guy used to be a PC dev! And if you read his rant he still wants to do PC games. But the piracy pissed him off!

I thought the article was fair! I try to post fair articles! I am a console fan. It's when others say consoles are dying off... I will prove that wrong;) Because they're not!!

Read it for yourself!

And I quote!!! "These are hard numbers for any PC developer to ignore, and from the tone of Fitch's message board rant the other day, things are likely to get much worse before they get better. Or should that be "if" they get better?"

jasonheyman

sub zero would be ashamed by your statements. wait... wait... I think I can see a tear in his eye.

Still dont know what FACT means do you? and yes, hes still having a tantrum from the other day so hes decided to troll hermits.PC360Wii

My OPINION is TROLLING? I think you don't understand trolling! Giving my opinion is not! ANYWAY! The FACT is that is a clear and sound article! The guy does not completely put down PC! Just the issues with it!

Bioshock devs said the PC sales were on par with the 360 ones (over a million on the PC).

COD4? Where did Iward say that?

Besides why should your or his opinion matter anyway?

This was debunked already, yet anti PC fanboys pull it up for what reason?

The sales stats show PC gaming is doing wonderfully.

Its 'my word against factual stats'.

And console fanboys hate it when the hermits talk **** about console platforms :roll:

Do you like putting words in my mouth lmao! This is a debate forum is it not? Don't like my opinion than don't post in the thread;)

Simple! Yes? No?

jasonheyman

The irony here is lulzy. :lol:

You say this is a debate forum, yet you say that if I disagree that I shouldn't post. lmao

The irony here is lulzy. :lol:

You say this is a debate forum, yet you say that if I disagree that I shouldn't post. lmao

VoodooGamer

To disagree is one thing, put words in my mouth is another!

[QUOTE="PC360Wii"]Still dont know what FACT means do you? and yes, hes still having a tantrum from the other day so hes decided to troll hermits.jasonheyman

My OPINION is TROLLING? I think you don't understand trolling! Giving my opinion is not! ANYWAY! The FACT is that is a clear and sound article! The guy does not completely put down PC! Just the issues with it!

"Woe to be a PC developer these days" :roll: considering it earns more revanue now than ever and game sales are great despite piracy ( If piracy didnt exist on the PC platform then the console numbers would be dwarfed... but that will never happen because its an open platform ).

Its not even a freaking developer its a PUBLISHER.

[QUOTE="VoodooGamer"]The irony here is lulzy. :lol:

You say this is a debate forum, yet you say that if I disagree that I shouldn't post. lmao

jasonheyman

To disagree is one thing, put words in my mouth is another!

It seems that anytime you have the opprotunity to exploit PC's flaws you execute very very poorly.

[QUOTE="VoodooGamer"]The irony here is lulzy. :lol:

You say this is a debate forum, yet you say that if I disagree that I shouldn't post. lmao

jasonheyman

To disagree is one thing, put words in my mouth is another!

Yeah, it's called an assumption. ;) Which I still think is true. Why did you start this thread eh? To debate? Because so far you're not doing too much debating which would mean you're spamming your own thread which would also mean you fail hard.

"Woe to be a PC developer these days" :roll: considering it earns more revanue now than ever and game sales are great despite piracy ( If piracy didnt exist on the PC platform then the console numbers would be dwarfed... but that will never happen because its an open platform ).

Its not even a freaking developer its a PUBLISHER.

PC360Wii

Did you even go to the link?? "Woe be the PC game developer these days" was the title of HIS article!!

[QUOTE="PC360Wii"]"Woe to be a PC developer these days" :roll: considering it earns more revanue now than ever and game sales are great despite piracy ( If piracy didnt exist on the PC platform then the console numbers would be dwarfed... but that will never happen because its an open platform ).

Its not even a freaking developer its a PUBLISHER.

jasonheyman

Did you even go to the link?? "Woe be the PC game developer these days" was the title of HIS article!!

Yeah, it's called an assumption. ;) Which I still think is true. Why did you start this thread eh? To debate? Because so far you're not doing too much debating which would mean you're spamming your own thread which would also mean you fail hard.

VoodooGamer

LMAO! Spamming my own thread?? LMAO! If I get quoted I reply lol you peeps kill me at times! Whatever man if all your going to do is complain to me leave the thread! I posted an article with my opinion get over it!:cry:

And it's the title to YOUR thread. What's the point?mo0ksi

The point is what the article states in it! lol come on? Hello!!:roll:

[QUOTE="jasonheyman"]

[QUOTE="PC360Wii"]Still dont know what FACT means do you? and yes, hes still having a tantrum from the other day so hes decided to troll hermits.PC360Wii

My OPINION is TROLLING? I think you don't understand trolling! Giving my opinion is not! ANYWAY! The FACT is that is a clear and sound article! The guy does not completely put down PC! Just the issues with it!

"Woe to be a PC developer these days" :roll: considering it earns more revanue now than ever and game sales are great despite piracy ( If piracy didnt exist on the PC platform then the console numbers would be dwarfed... but that will never happen because its an open platform ).

Its not even a freaking developer its a PUBLISHER.

At anycase, this article is old, when the PCGA has since debunked this crap, 260 million PC gamers, highest revanue increasing every year.

Its already linked to you, but i bet you will take the word of single developers over Microsoft/intel/nvidia/CAPCOM EVEN/Epic Games ect's large resources to find more accurate figures to be false :roll:.

"For me, the PC is kind of the secondary part of what we're doing," Bleszinski told MTV Multiplayer. "PC is important for us, but right now making AAA games on consoles is where we're at."

Epic Games, a long time developer of PC titles, is switching gears to favor console development, said Unreal designer and Gears of War creator Cliff "CliffyB" Bleszinski.

Epic Games, a long time developer of PC titles, is switching gears to favor console development, said Unreal designer and Gears of War creator Cliff "CliffyB" Bleszinski.

jasonheyman

And Mark Rein keeps saying hes wrong, Cliffy, a guy only developer the consoel game surely wouldnt be biased over the president of Epic games? right?....

"For me, the PC is kind of the secondary part of what we're doing," Bleszinski told MTV Multiplayer. "PC is important for us, but right now making AAA games on consoles is where we're at."

jasonheyman

Yes his boss

"Cliff's an idiot!"

http://www.eurogamer.net/article.php?article_id=93420&page=2

grasping for straws?

This is thread bordline sad

[QUOTE="jasonheyman"]

Epic Games, a long time developer of PC titles, is switching gears to favor console development, said Unreal designer and Gears of War creator Cliff "CliffyB" Bleszinski.

PC360Wii

And Mark Rein keeps saying hes wrong, Cliffy, a guy only developer the consoel game surely wouldnt be biased over the president of Epic games? right?....

How can you take his opinion out though?? He doesn't completely talk trash about PC! It just states there is more money to be made console wise! How is that not true or sound??

The TC is using the following logic, apparently:

Several-month-old information = proof of PC gaming death.

"the PC front, Bleszinski sees web-interface, social networking and MMOs taking over and keeping power for the indefinite future."

See he doesn't talk it down! He's just saying PC and consoles have their own places. And for saw more money on the console side!!

How can you take his opinion out though?? He doesn't completely talk trash about PC! It just states there is more money to be made console wise! How is that not true or sound??

jasonheyman

Then further evidence points towards all the sucessfull devs on the platform - the reason it has the most amount of exclusive titles by a massive margin.

If you are trying to prove that PC gaming isnt profitable, or dieing you are failing miserably - quite frankly.

The TC is using the following logic, apparently:

Several-month-old information = proof of PC gaming death.

aliblabla2007

Nope! Never said PC will die! It just has it's place! As do consoles!!

"the PC front, Bleszinski sees web-interface, social networking and MMOs taking over and keeping power for the indefinite future."

See he doesn't talk it down! He's just saying PC and consoles have their own places. And for saw more money on the console side!!

jasonheyman

Then unknown ukranian devs like GCS release STALKER and sell 2 million copies.

Whaddya know.

So if you think his opinion = fact, you have pretty much destroyed your own argument.

[QUOTE="PC360Wii"][QUOTE="jasonheyman"]

Epic Games, a long time developer of PC titles, is switching gears to favor console development, said Unreal designer and Gears of War creator Cliff "CliffyB" Bleszinski.

jasonheyman

And Mark Rein keeps saying hes wrong, Cliffy, a guy only developer the consoel game surely wouldnt be biased over the president of Epic games? right?....

How can you take his opinion out though?? He doesn't completely talk trash about PC! It just states there is more money to be made console wise! How is that not true or sound??

Why is it true exactly? Tell me what console game earns more money than Sims and WoW? ... just because HIS rehashed unreal tournement series got hit hard for being a shallow shell of its predocessors doesnt speak for the whole PC/Console scene.

Shooters were the fad on PC for 10 years, and have been in decline, now that consoles got proper online, the online shooter fad is at its peak like Platformers were years ago.

I'd like to see the console scene challenge the MMO scene? ... maybe in 5-10 years time.

Gears of War... one of the only great XBOX360 games at the time ..... amazing graphics, massive marketing, decent online sold 5 million? :roll: compared to UT3 a complete rehash with nothing but improved graphics and many removed features? ... a shift in market tastes. It has less to do with Piracy than MARKET APPEAL.

Its obviously not true as his boss calls him an idiot, then goes on to say how there is much money to be made on the platform.

Then further evidence points towards all the sucessfull devs on the platform - the reason it has the most amount of exclusive titles by a massive margin.

If you are trying to prove that PC gaming isnt profitable, or dieing you are failing miserably - quite frankly.

skrat_01

No I am trying to PROVE both have a place! And BOTH have money to be made! And BOTH have their issues! And BOTH will be around playing tug of war for a long time!!

[QUOTE="jasonheyman"]

"the PC front, Bleszinski sees web-interface, social networking and MMOs taking over and keeping power for the indefinite future."

See he doesn't talk it down! He's just saying PC and consoles have their own places. And for saw more money on the console side!!

skrat_01

Then unknown ukranian devs like GCS release STALKER and sell 2 million copies.

Whaddya know.

So if you think his opinion = fact, you have pretty much destroyed your own argument.

How dare you call Cliffy B an idiot and not thinking he is saying fact. He made gears which sold like 4.6 million! It might of been generic and linear as all hell but Cliff knows. He is like an industry expert! /sarcasm (not on the linear part)

Hard times: PC game piracy in US estimated at 75-80% , is the actual title :P , but that is irrelevant, I was rebuting the silly wording.

At anycase, this article is old, when the PCGA has since debunked this crap, 260 million PC gamers, highest revanue increasing every year.

Its already linked to you, but i bet you will take the word of single developers over Microsoft/intel/nvidia/CAPCOM EVEN/Epic Games ect's large resources to find more accurate figures to be false :roll:.

PC360Wii

I own a current generation console and a four hundred dollar computer. The fact that I can alt-tab out of a game to surf the web while burning DVDs and having a word processor open all at once speaks volumes for pc gamers and computing. This generation of consoles are hardly worthy of the effort anymore.

There are people that are able to have four games of World of Warcraft running simultaneously. Show me a console that can do that. Plus, every generation of PC game that has ever touched a 3.5 floppy disk, CD-rom or DVD-rom is available to a PC gamer. That is thousands of games. Discussion over.

I own a current generation console and a four hundred dollar computer. The fact that I can alt-tab out of a game to surf the web while burning DVDs and having a word processor open all at once speaks volumes for pc gamers and computing. This generation of consoles are hardly worthy of the effort anymore.

There are people that are able to have four games of World of Warcraft running simultaneously. Show me a console that can do that. Plus, every generation of PC game that has ever touched a 3.5 floppy disk, CD-rom or DVD-rom is available to a PC gamer. That is thousands of games. Discussion over.

drj077

Game over? Hardly! Consoles are improving every Gen sorry!;) The games have just begun between the two

[QUOTE="skrat_01"]Its obviously not true as his boss calls him an idiot, then goes on to say how there is much money to be made on the platform.

Then further evidence points towards all the sucessfull devs on the platform - the reason it has the most amount of exclusive titles by a massive margin.

If you are trying to prove that PC gaming isnt profitable, or dieing you are failing miserably - quite frankly.

jasonheyman

No I am trying to PROVE both have a place! And BOTH have money to be made! And BOTH have their issues! And BOTH will be around playing tug of war for a long time!!

You would be stating the obvious.

And that doesent explain your intention with the topic title... which clearly is aimed at making the PC look like a bad platform.

[QUOTE="jasonheyman"]they always did each have a place.

You would be stating the obvious.

And that doesent explain your intention with the topic title... which clearly is aimed at making the PC look like a bad platform.

skrat_01

Beause in my opinion PC's do have issues like the article I posted. And it is expensive for upgrades every two or three years! Consoles are more easy to use and getting better graphically every Gen.

Thats my opinion;)