Woe be the PC game developer these days!!!!

I will say this to that statement Their are a lot of PC gamers who own both! But my question to those peeps is if PC is "KING" and console is so bad why have both??:shock:jasonheyman

Exclusives? PC is by far the best gaming machine in features/technology/options/freedom and creativity ..................... what do you want us to say? its fact? because its an open source system.... whereas consoles are budget computers marketed and restricted by thier respective companys...

[QUOTE="creeping-deth87"]

[QUOTE="AdrianWerner"]the way the things are going now we'll be seeing MORE PC exclusives, not lessAdrianWerner

Would you care to explain that? Seeing as how several different PC-exclusive series have made appearances on consoles either simultaneously or shortly after PC release dates (Call of Duty, Battlefield, Civilization, Warhammer, Unreal Tournament, etc. etc.). It definitely doesn't seem like PC will be getting more exclusives considering this trend. Most of the PC exclusives nowadays are usually niche titles (Sins of the Solar Empire, The Witcher, etc.).

With giants gone to consoles though a big vacum opened in PC gaming, vacum that small devs are filling. It's true that nowadays most PC exclusives are niche games, but thats the whole point: there is increasing number of such niche games released on PC each year and the numbers of them will only grow, thus there will be more PC exclusives in the future

I will say this to that statement Their are a lot of PC gamers who own both! But my question to those peeps is if PC is "KING" and console is so bad why have both??:shock:jasonheyman

I play titles I cant play on PC on my console, and enjoy split screen if friends are over (mind you split screen has been neglected this gen)

Thats about it really.

I also plan to buy a Wii.

Never the less I still think PC gaming is better.

[QUOTE="anshul89"]and yet the PC has the most high quality exclusives by a long shot :D

go figurecreeping-deth87

You forgot to add 'imo'

Do you not understand english or what? you mis-interprate everything....PC360Wii

Yeah I know I'm so dumb right! Like that article it's a waste! That guy had no idea what he was talking about right?! All those quotes are nonsense rubbish right:shock:

[QUOTE="creeping-deth87"][QUOTE="skrat_01"][QUOTE="creeping-deth87"]

[QUOTE="AdrianWerner"]the way the things are going now we'll be seeing MORE PC exclusives, not lessskrat_01

Would you care to explain that? Seeing as how several different PC-exclusive series have made appearances on consoles either simultaneously or shortly after PC release dates (Call of Duty, Battlefield, Civilization, Warhammer, Unreal Tournament, etc. etc.). It definitely doesn't seem like PC will be getting more exclusives considering this trend. Most of the PC exclusives nowadays are usually niche titles (Sins of the Solar Empire, The Witcher, etc.).

Difference is on a PC paltform development costs can be as cheap as you want it to be, and with things like widespreat digital distribution its much cheaper and easier to get your game out there.

Besides PC franchises have always shifted to consoles. There was BFMC last gen, UT on the PS2, UC on the Xbox, (Warhammer?!?!? what?), COD on the PS2, Xbox and Cube.
You are pretty much pointing out the blatantly obvious, that has always been there.
Hell I have Quake on my freaking DreamCast, and a friend has RA1 and Diablo on his playstation....

I really fail to see how any of that disproved my argument... regardless of when it started, you really can't deny that over time certain developers, like the ones behind the series I mentioned, have made increasingly concerted efforts to develop console games to the point where they aren't just awful little expansions like Call of Duty 2 Big Red One but rather actual full-blown instalments to the series.

I also doubt most PC developers look at PC development the way you are. If it's really that much cheaper and if digital distribution is so great, then why have PC development teams shifted to create console titles and, in some cases, been more successful with their console contributions than PC counterparts?

Yeah you can just say 'well game developers like money' but that's not the point. The point is, at the rate things are going PC is losing exclusives, not gaining more.

Why havent most console developers stayed exclusive? :?
Why are so many console titles crossing over to the PC platform (Burnout, SF4, Silent Hill, DMC, Mercenaries ect. ect.)

As I said its development costs. Even the developers themselves state it.

And developers are yet to take full advantage of DD, outside publishers like StarDock and devs like Valve, who have had massive sucess with such distribution + development, its evidence of whatis being done.

As I have stated, the PC isnt 'losing exclusives', if any generation dictates developers have gone multiplat with 'exclusive' games, and this generation in particular consoles has the least amount of exclusives than ever.
One of the clearest indication is the GS AAA and AA lists.

Not gaining more exclusives? eh? certinaly gaining more tha the consoles, if you look at the ratios.

Could someone please tell me where I said consoles weren't losing exclusives? Just cause I'm talking down to the PC platform doesn't mean I can't say anything negative about the platforms I prefer.

My whole line of argument here has been that PC is losing exclusives and all anyone can do is tell me that

1. PC-oriented games have been appearing on consoles for years
2. Console exclusives go to PC all the time

Neither of which has anything to do with what I'm saying, which is: PC is losing exclusives. Console games appearing on PC doesn't refute this, sorry to tell you.

Neither of which has anything to do with what I'm saying, which is: PC is losing exclusives. Console games appearing on PC doesn't refute this, sorry to tell youcreeping-deth87

[QUOTE="creeping-deth87"]

[QUOTE="anshul89"]and yet the PC has the most high quality exclusives by a long shot :D

go figureanshul89

You forgot to add 'imo'

I would hardly consider Gamespot's opinion fact, but I will concede the point you made.

[QUOTE="creeping-deth87"]Neither of which has anything to do with what I'm saying, which is: PC is losing exclusives. Console games appearing on PC doesn't refute this, sorry to tell youVandalvideo

Wait, what? Call of duty 4, Bad Company, and Civilization Revolution didn't have a multi-platform release? What alternate reality do you live in? As for the 'not the same as on PC'... ONCE AGAIN, regardless of the watered down effect that a lot of you PC gamers LOVE to throw around here to assert your elitism (which, by the way, is getting incredibly tiresome) the fact of the matter is... those games are available on multiple platforms and are therefore not exclusive.

[QUOTE="anshul89"][QUOTE="creeping-deth87"]

[QUOTE="anshul89"]and yet the PC has the most high quality exclusives by a long shot :D

go figurecreeping-deth87

You forgot to add 'imo'

I woul

d hardly consider Gamespot's opinion fact, but I will concede the point you made.

I will add to that

http://adrianwerner.wordpress.com/games-of-2009/

[QUOTE="PC360Wii"]Do you not understand english or what? you mis-interprate everything....jasonheyman

Yeah I know I'm so dumb right! Like that article it's a waste! That guy had no idea what he was talking about right?! All those quotes are nonsense rubbish right:shock:

If your so hell-bent on thinking what 1 or 2 devs says is reality, then why dont you acknoledge the stronger eveidence of much larger groups that say the opposite?.

Not that that had anything to do with what I said. Being sarcastic when you infact didnt even comprehend what I said makes you look like a bigger fool...

Wait, what? Call of duty 4, Bad Company, and Civilization Revolution didn't have a multi-platform release? What alternate reality do you live in? As for the 'not the same as on PC'... ONCE AGAIN, regardless of the watered down effect that a lot of you PC gamers LOVE to throw around here to assert your elitism (which, by the way, is getting incredibly tiresome) the fact of the matter is... those games are available on multiple platforms and are therefore not exclusive. creeping-deth87

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="creeping-deth87"]Neither of which has anything to do with what I'm saying, which is: PC is losing exclusives. Console games appearing on PC doesn't refute this, sorry to tell youcreeping-deth87

Wait, what? Call of duty 4, Bad Company, and Civilization Revolution didn't have a multi-platform release? What alternate reality do you live in? As for the 'not the same as on PC'... ONCE AGAIN, regardless of the watered down effect that a lot of you PC gamers LOVE to throw around here to assert your elitism (which, by the way, is getting incredibly tiresome) the fact of the matter is... those games are available on multiple platforms and are therefore not exclusive.

How could the PC lost exclusives on CoD 4 when its beena MULTIPLAT FRANCHISE since CoD2? and BAttlefield Bad Company is nothing to do with the PC so we didnt lose it? instead we get Battlefield: HEroes and BAttlefield 3 as exclusives? ...... 2 for 1.

CIV REV has nothing to do with the PC, we jsut got yet another amazing expansion for it though.

So how are we losing exclusives? when we never had exclusive announcements on those games for the PC? :roll: ... your not making much sense.

Could someone please tell me where I said consoles weren't losing exclusives? Just cause I'm talking down to the PC platform doesn't mean I can't say anything negative about the platforms I prefer.

My whole line of argument here has been that PC is losing exclusives and all anyone can do is tell me that

1. PC-oriented games have been appearing on consoles for years
2. Console exclusives go to PC all the time

Neither of which has anything to do with what I'm saying, which is: PC is losing exclusives. Console games appearing on PC doesn't refute this, sorry to tell you.

creeping-deth87

PC isnt 'losing exclusives' as point one states, these games have been appearing on consoles for years. *goes off to play Quake 3 on Dreamcast, UT on the PS2 or Doom on the Snes*

"Console Advantages
The most obvious advantage consoles have over PCs is cost. The majority of consoles sell for well under $500, often with a couple games in the bundle. A PC adequate for running the latest games can easily cost twice that much.

The second most obvious advantage is simplicity. Let's face it, PC gaming can be a technical nightmare compared to console gaming. People can actually take a console home and be playing a game within minutes. No operating systems to configure or drivers to update, and better still, no purchasing a game only to find out that it isn't compatible with your PC for some obscure reason.

Multiplayer gaming is also made easy with companies like Microsoft offering online services for their product. The Xbox, which came equipped with a network card, raised the bar for consoles in this regard, making it a simple matter to hook it up to a DSL or Cable Internet connection and get into a multiplayer game on Xbox Live, complete with voice chat.

Another appealing thing about consoles is that many people prefer to play games sitting on the couch, or they want to play with friends in the same room. While these things are possible on a PC, consoles are extremely well-suited for this right out of the box.

Console games are more readily rented than PC games, and more easily returned to the retailer if you're not satisfied with them. Generally speaking, it is difficult to return PC games because they are easy to copy.

Console games tend to have a relatively low learning curve. You might need fast thumbs, but you certainly won't need to spend hours in a "tutorial" trying to learn how to operate basic game functions."

those games are available on multiple platforms and are therefore not exclusive.

creeping-deth87

You think this and this are the same game because Civilisation is in the title? Multiplatform titles are usually defined as the same game spread across multiple platforms, not two completely different games from the same franchise.

"Console Advantages
The most obvious advantage consoles have over PCs is cost. The majority of consoles sell for well under $500, often with a couple games in the bundle. A PC adequate for running the latest games can easily cost twice that much.

The second most obvious advantage is simplicity. Let's face it, PC gaming can be a technical nightmare compared to console gaming. People can actually take a console home and be playing a game within minutes. No operating systems to configure or drivers to update, and better still, no purchasing a game only to find out that it isn't compatible with your PC for some obscure reason.

Multiplayer gaming is also made easy with companies like Microsoft offering online services for their product. The Xbox, which came equipped with a network card, raised the bar for consoles in this regard, making it a simple matter to hook it up to a DSL or Cable Internet connection and get into a multiplayer game on Xbox Live, complete with voice chat.

Another appealing thing about consoles is that many people prefer to play games sitting on the couch, or they want to play with friends in the same room. While these things are possible on a PC, consoles are extremely well-suited for this right out of the box.

Console games are more readily rented than PC games, and more easily returned to the retailer if you're not satisfied with them. Generally speaking, it is difficult to return PC games because they are easy to copy.

Console games tend to have a relatively low learning curve. You might need fast thumbs, but you certainly won't need to spend hours in a "tutorial" trying to learn how to operate basic game functions."

jasonheyman

oh I forgot this game it's not on the list

http://video.mmosite.com/display.php?vid=8529&gid=559

http://video.mmosite.com/display.php?vid=8530&gid=559

"PC Disadvantages
While PCs have come down considerably in price over the years, they are still quite expensive compared to consoles. There ways to economize on a PC, such as building it yourself, but it's not easy to get the cost of a PC down to a price comparable to even the most expensive console.

Computers are also getting a little more user friendly, but eventually every PC gamer will encounter some technical complication that interferes with their gaming, be it a device driver that needs updating or components that are simply incompatible. PCs are also much more vulnerable to viruses and other security breaches.

The truth is, installing a game on your computer is always a bit of a gamble. You never really know if it's going to work until you're actually playing the game, and even then, in the back of your mind, you're expecting it to crash at any moment.

Unlike most console games, PC games have the potential to get ridiculously complicated. This can give a game depth, but it can also result in tedious arrays of keyboard commands and lengthy tutorials which one must endure to learn how to play.

PC games are often not well-suited for playing on the couch, especially given that the mouse and keyboard are the preferred PC game controllers. Unlike console games, you also won't find many PC games that support two players on one machine at the same time."

The most obvious advantage consoles have over PCs is cost. The majority of consoles sell for well under $500, often with a couple games in the bundle. A PC adequate for running the latest games can easily cost twice that much.jasonheyman

The second most obvious advantage is simplicity. Let's face it, PC gaming can be a technical nightmare compared to console gaming. People can actually take a console home and be playing a game within minutes. No operating systems to configure or drivers to update, and better still, no purchasing a game only to find out that it isn't compatible with your PC for some obscure reason.

Multiplayer gaming is also made easy with companies like Microsoft offering online services for their product. The Xbox, which came equipped with a network card, raised the bar for consoles in this regard, making it a simple matter to hook it up to a DSL or Cable Internet connection and get into a multiplayer game on Xbox Live, complete with voice chat.

Another appealing thing about consoles is that many people prefer to play games sitting on the couch, or they want to play with friends in the same room. While these things are possible on a PC, consoles are extremely well-suited for this right out of the box.

Console games are more readily rented than PC games, and more easily returned to the retailer if you're not satisfied with them. Generally speaking, it is difficult to return PC games because they are easy to copy.

Console games tend to have a relatively low learning curve. You might need fast thumbs, but you certainly won't need to spend hours in a "tutorial" trying to learn how to operate basic game functions."

"Console Advantages
The most obvious advantage consoles have over PCs is cost. The majority of consoles sell for well under $500, often with a couple games in the bundle. A PC adequate for running the latest games can easily cost twice that much.

700 dollar crysis pc that can run it at high. Not bad. Most people already have a pc and upgrading costs a few hundred bucks.

The second most obvious advantage is simplicity. Let's face it, PC gaming can be a technical nightmare compared to console gaming. People can actually take a console home and be playing a game within minutes. No operating systems to configure or drivers to update, and better still, no purchasing a game only to find out that it isn't compatible with your PC for some obscure reason.

What about the PS3s installs, system updates, or the xbox's rrods and disk read errors. I can buy a pc game, install it for 10 minutes, then play it in minutes. No patches (if you choose not play multiplayer.) and most games have optimal system settings so you don't have to tweak around. Hell even call of duty 4 multiplayer doesn't even need a disc.

Multiplayer gaming is also made easy with companies like Microsoft offering online services for their product. The Xbox, which came equipped with a network card, raised the bar for consoles in this regard, making it a simple matter to hook it up to a DSL or Cable Internet connection and get into a multiplayer game on Xbox Live, complete with voice chat.

Pales in comparison to PC online.

Another appealing thing about consoles is that many people prefer to play games sitting on the couch, or they want to play with friends in the same room. While these things are possible on a PC, consoles are extremely well-suited for this right out of the box.

I prefer to sit in my extremely comfortable desk chair with my screen in front of me for more immersion. But of course this is preference.

Console games are more readily rented than PC games, and more easily returned to the retailer if you're not satisfied with them. Generally speaking, it is difficult to return PC games because they are easy to copy.

Console games tend to have a relatively low learning curve. You might need fast thumbs, but you certainly won't need to spend hours in a "tutorial" trying to learn how to operate basic game functions."

The only types of games that require tutorials is RTSes for advanced mechanics. FPSes on PC play exactly the same as one another, WASD for move, shift for sprint and if it's not then you can change your controls. Something all PC games have and console games don't. I can't change reload to LB on my xbox controller. You're stuck with it.

But I fail to see how this is an advantage.

jasonheyman

PC advantages:

Better online, graphics, customizable controls (can change to controllers or switch controls around on keyboard. If you have a mouse with side buttons you can map them too for shortcuts.)

More higher rated games. More support for games. (TF2 achievements, free patches, free maps.)

And of course mods.

If you PC-centric gamers are going to refuse to acknowledge that PC developers have become increasingly console-friendly and therefore release fewer PC exclusive titles on the merits that 'Civilization is nothing like it is on PC' and 'Bad Company has nothing to do with what we get on PC'... like... crawl out of your denial guys. You can sweep these under the rug all you want, but they still exist as a testament to formerly PC exclusive franchises going multi-platform. Deal with it.

And to the guy who ONCE AGAIN listed off Quake and Diablo on Dreamcast and PS1, could you please kindly go back and actually read my post? I'd like to attract your attention specifically to the 'over time'

"PC Disadvantages

jasonheyman

Or is Bias getting the better of you?

Jasonheyman that green mess is the equivilent of Sony calling Cell a super computer while only showing benchmarks in tasks it excels at, you are knowingly tip toeing around the muck to show off the gems.

Anyone here can write a pro and con list, something I wouldn't be surprised to see after the blatant bias you just demonstrated. Of course you could always just hide behind it all just being your opinion again; as if that somehow removes it from criticism.

Computers are also getting a little more user friendly, but eventually every PC gamer will encounter some technical complication that interferes with their gaming, be it a device driver that needs updating or components that are simply incompatible. PCs are also much more vulnerable to viruses and other security breaches. jasonheyman

The truth is, installing a game on your computer is always a bit of a gamble. You never really know if it's going to work until you're actually playing the game, and even then, in the back of your mind, you're expecting it to crash at any moment.

Unlike most console games, PC games have the potential to get ridiculously complicated. This can give a game depth, but it can also result in tedious arrays of keyboard commands and lengthy tutorials which one must endure to learn how to play.

PC games are often not well-suited for playing on the couch, especially given that the mouse and keyboard are the preferred PC game controllers.

Unlike console games, you also won't find many PC games that support two players on one machine at the same time."

If you PC-centric gamers are going to refuse to acknowledge that PC developers have become increasingly console-friendly and therefore release fewer PC exclusive titles on the merits that 'Civilization is nothing like it is on PC' and 'Bad Company has nothing to do with what we get on PC'... like... crawl out of your denial guys. You can sweep these under the rug all you want, but they still exist as a testament to formerly PC exclusive franchises going multi-platform. Deal with it.

And to the guy who ONCE AGAIN listed off Quake and Diablo on Dreamcast and PS1, could you please kindly go back and actually read my post? I'd like to attract your attention specifically to the 'over time'

creeping-deth87

Mocking peoples responses is not countering their argument...

If you PC-centric gamers are going to refuse to acknowledge that PC developers have become increasingly console-friendly and therefore release fewer PC exclusive titles on the merits that 'Civilization is nothing like it is on PC' and 'Bad Company has nothing to do with what we get on PC'... like... crawl out of your denial guys. You can sweep these under the rug all you want, but they still exist as a testament to formerly PC exclusive franchises going multi-platform. Deal with it.

And to the guy who ONCE AGAIN listed off Quake and Diablo on Dreamcast and PS1, could you please kindly go back and actually read my post? I'd like to attract your attention specifically to the 'over time'

creeping-deth87

So what's your point of saying all this. We get the main entry of the franchise and consoles get a watered down spin off, who is getting the better deal? Everything is going multiplatform but EA seems to think PC is still worthy of exclusives.

Console Disadvantages

Although sealing everything into one unit does keep it simple, when some of the components inside the box become dated there's no way to solve the problem without replacing the entire console. In most cases, upgrades that could prolong the life of the system are not an option.

Consoles perform only one task really well, where PCs can be used for an extremely wide range of things. Some console manufacterers are trying to make them a little more flexible, but it will clearly be a long time before they support the staggering variety of applications that can be found for PCs.

There is a distinct lack of inter-connectivity between the different console brands. Many games are available for one type of console but not others, and when it comes to online play, each is typically restricted to its own network. This means that people with Xboxes can usually only play against other people with Xboxes, so, for example, there is no way for console gamers to jump into a fray on one of the countless PC Counter-Strike servers available. The PS2 has made some progress in this area, forging the way for cross-platform gaming between PS2 and PC users, but only a few titles support this right now.

While the PS2 network adapter supports both 56K modem and broadband connections to the Internet, broadband is required for Xbox online play. As well, Microsoft charges a yearly fee for use of the Xbox Live service.

PC Advantages:

One of the biggest advantages the PC has over consoles right now is that there are a lot more games available for the PC than there are for consoles, particularly when it comes to multiplayer online games. Not only are the vast majority of MMOGs designed for the PC, but PC gamers also have the option to play MUDs, email games, browser games, and a wide variety of titles that are distributed digitally or available as free downloads.

As mentioned above, another clear advantage PCs have over consoles is that you can use them for a lot more than playing games. Furthermore, if you like to modify games or edit maps for them, a PC is essential, and you have to take a break from gaming sometime to read gaming sites.

PCs are always on the cutting edge of gaming technology. The current generation of consoles with high-definition capabilities did briefly narrow the gap, but well-equipped PCs continue to offer superior graphics. Computer monitors can be found with considerably higher resolutions than HDTVs, and the latest multi-core processors and dual GPU solutions make it possible to build a remarkably powerful game system. Even if a console offers incredible technology upon its release, there is no way for it to compete with the rapid hardware advancements that have become a way of life in the computer industry.

When it comes online gaming, PCs give people a variety of ways to connect to the Internet, and to each other, which aren't restricted to proprietary services or software. Different brands of computer and event different operating systems generally communicate very well with one another. This is quite different from services like Xbox Live, for example, which is the only option available to Xbox users that want to play online, and is closed to everyone that doesn't have an Xbox.

Finally, as your PC ages, there is a reasonable chance of extending its gaming life with a component upgrade, although it can get a bit messy.

So basically, console advantages are that if your a lazy person that doesnt like to learn things, you win at being a couch patatoe and develope no aditional skills for your hobby.

PC wins at games, online, technology and creativity.

Thanks for that, I would much rather the PC's advantages and disavantages than the consoles by a long shot :lol:

If you PC-centric gamers are going to refuse to acknowledge that PC developers have become increasingly console-friendly and therefore release fewer PC exclusive titles on the merits that 'Civilization is nothing like it is on PC' and 'Bad Company has nothing to do with what we get on PC'... like... crawl out of your denial guys. You can sweep these under the rug all you want, but they still exist as a testament to formerly PC exclusive franchises going multi-platform. Deal with it.And to the guy who ONCE AGAIN listed off Quake and Diablo on Dreamcast and PS1, could you please kindly go back and actually read my post? I'd like to attract your attention specifically to the 'over time' creeping-deth87

If you PC-centric gamers are going to refuse to acknowledge that PC developers have become increasingly console-friendly and therefore release fewer PC exclusive titles on the merits that 'Civilization is nothing like it is on PC' and 'Bad Company has nothing to do with what we get on PC'... like... crawl out of your denial guys. You can sweep these under the rug all you want, but they still exist as a testament to formerly PC exclusive franchises going multi-platform. Deal with it.

And to the guy who ONCE AGAIN listed off Quake and Diablo on Dreamcast and PS1, could you please kindly go back and actually read my post? I'd like to attract your attention specifically to the 'over time'

creeping-deth87

Even titles like UT03 were ports of the earlier released Xbox Unreal Championship.

What has changed this gen? Loss of PC exclusives? Hell no. Its the same. cant speak for the console platforms though.

If you PC-centric gamers are going to refuse to acknowledge that PC developers have become increasingly console-friendly and therefore release fewer PC exclusive titles on the merits that 'Civilization is nothing like it is on PC' and 'Bad Company has nothing to do with what we get on PC'... like... crawl out of your denial guys. You can sweep these under the rug all you want, but they still exist as a testament to formerly PC exclusive franchises going multi-platform. Deal with it.

And to the guy who ONCE AGAIN listed off Quake and Diablo on Dreamcast and PS1, could you please kindly go back and actually read my post? I'd like to attract your attention specifically to the 'over time'

creeping-deth87

Console games are trash compared to cp gaming.

"Console Advantages
(1)The most obvious advantage consoles have over PCs is cost. The majority of consoles sell for well under $500, often with a couple games in the bundle. A PC adequate for running the latest games can easily cost twice that much.

(2)The second most obvious advantage is simplicity. Let's face it, PC gaming can be a technical nightmare compared to console gaming. People can actually take a console home and be playing a game within minutes. No operating systems to configure or drivers to update, and better still, no purchasing a game only to find out that it isn't compatible with your PC for some obscure reason.

(3)Multiplayer gaming is also made easy with companies like Microsoft offering online services for their product. The Xbox, which came equipped with a network card, raised the bar for consoles in this regard, making it a simple matter to hook it up to a DSL or Cable Internet connection and get into a multiplayer game on Xbox Live, complete with voice chat.

(4)Another appealing thing about consoles is that many people prefer to play games sitting on the couch, or they want to play with friends in the same room. While these things are possible on a PC, consoles are extremely well-suited for this right out of the box.

(5)Console games are more readily rented than PC games, and more easily returned to the retailer if you're not satisfied with them. Generally speaking, it is difficult to return PC games because they are easy to copy.

(6)Console games tend to have a relatively low learning curve. You might need fast thumbs, but you certainly won't need to spend hours in a "tutorial" trying to learn how to operate basic game functions."

jasonheyman

1. Sure, it's no surprise PC's cost more, but they also do more than play games. Considering some consolites bought the PS3 for $600, it's really sad people whine about this. Go to Newegg.com and order parts, you can put together a gaming PC that's at least 2x as powerful as all the consoles for very cheap (we're talking around $800 here). Considering what you're getting, that's very cheap. It's just console fanboys blow the prices way out of proportion because they really have no idea what they're talking about or where to look. Easily cost $1000? Not if you know where to look. If you know where to look a gaming PC for that price will be very very high end. That $1000 PC will run all games at high at least for the next few years as well with no problems whatsoever. If you go higher than $1000 you get even more monster PC's but it's not necessary if you know what you're doing and where to look (that EA Crysis PC is a good example of this). Again, you get what you pay for. PC's do alot more than game, but it does games the best as well. :)

2. Yep, if you have zero idea what you're doing in terms of PC's or PC gaming then you probably shouldn't bother. You seem to be one of those people. Frankly, none of the things you stated there are tough to do and take little to no time whatsoever + you don't have to do them often. There are also certain programs you can get for free that updates your drivers automatically (if you're too lazy to go to your GPU manufacturers site or w/e it is your looking for to update the driver).

3. PC online is free which voice chat in every game for the most part. Yea, plug in an ethernet cord hooked to a modem (as you would if you were doing Live) to the back of you PC and you have an internet connection on a far superior platform for multiplayer online gaming. It's very simple. If you can't understand that (and i'm not surprised) then you really were already lost to begin with.

4. OMG, you get to sit on a couch? I'm so jealous. *end sarcasm* Please, i have a very nice chair to sit on that is more than comfortable. This is quite possibly one of the lamest things you console fanboys have come up with.

5. Uh, PC games can't be rented...therefore console titles being more "readily rented" is kind of a stupid statement. PC games can't be rented. Depends on who you get in terms of returning. But if you're buying games on any platform and returning them then you probably have no idea what type of game you like to begin with or are ignorant to gaming sites like this that "help" you with that.

6. Only game in recent years that i can recall that had a huge tutorial that required alot of time to learn was Sins of a Solar Empire. And that's a very very deep game. It also doesn't take hours to complete either. So, again, very pointless argument seeing as very very few games have a tutorial as you describe it.

Simple fact is more is possible on a PC in terms of gaming. It also has the the most AAA/AA exclusives as well as the most exclusives in general. Best control (KB/Mouse), largest gaming library, best online, etc.

[QUOTE="creeping-deth87"]

If you PC-centric gamers are going to refuse to acknowledge that PC developers have become increasingly console-friendly and therefore release fewer PC exclusive titles on the merits that 'Civilization is nothing like it is on PC' and 'Bad Company has nothing to do with what we get on PC'... like... crawl out of your denial guys. You can sweep these under the rug all you want, but they still exist as a testament to formerly PC exclusive franchises going multi-platform. Deal with it.

And to the guy who ONCE AGAIN listed off Quake and Diablo on Dreamcast and PS1, could you please kindly go back and actually read my post? I'd like to attract your attention specifically to the 'over time'

blackdreamhunk

Console games are trash compared to cp gaming.

That's a bit too far. I've thoroughly enjoyed console games but I agree with the basis. I've had more fun and enjoyment of PC games.

So basically, console advantages are that if your a lazy person that doesnt like to learn things, you win at being a couch potato and develop no additional skills for your hobby.

PC360Wii

[QUOTE="blackdreamhunk"][QUOTE="creeping-deth87"]

If you PC-centric gamers are going to refuse to acknowledge that PC developers have become increasingly console-friendly and therefore release fewer PC exclusive titles on the merits that 'Civilization is nothing like it is on PC' and 'Bad Company has nothing to do with what we get on PC'... like... crawl out of your denial guys. You can sweep these under the rug all you want, but they still exist as a testament to formerly PC exclusive franchises going multi-platform. Deal with it.

And to the guy who ONCE AGAIN listed off Quake and Diablo on Dreamcast and PS1, could you please kindly go back and actually read my post? I'd like to attract your attention specifically to the 'over time'

bladeeagle

Console games are trash compared to cp gaming.

That's a bit too far. I've thoroughly enjoyed console games but I agree with the basis. I've had more fun and enjoyment of PC games.

All these companies want is a monopoly! Ea use to be a tame company now it's a monster on a rampage.

[QUOTE="PC360Wii"]

So basically, console advantages are that if your a lazy person that doesnt like to learn things, you win at being a couch potato and develop no additional skills for your hobby.

anshul89

so true !

PC-18(10) opinion,

Total AA this GEN (# exclusive)PC-82(56!) opinion, 360-70(11)opinion, PS3-44(4)opinion, Wii-23(7)opinion

PC : Most AA+ exclusives (opinion), best graphics(depends on PC), largest selection of controllers (Thats true), best sound (depends on PC), best online play (opinion)

360 : RRoD (I've never got it) PS3 : No AAAE opinion Wii : 480p (Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time laughs at you)

just to play devils advoacte..

Just out of curiosity what PC games besides MMOs and The Sims have sold over 3 million copies?Zero5000X

READ!;)

Im not the only one who feels this way you know!

[QUOTE="Zero5000X"]Just out of curiosity what PC games besides MMOs and The Sims have sold over 3 million copies?blackdreamhunk

is that it?

"Video Game System Consoles devote all their hardware resources to gaming, not some odd file you don't know what the hell it does, "xqipis.exe" and it's various mysterious buddy applets. The manufacturerers of these home systems create a raw power machine devoted to what gamers want, and compared to the cost of expensive PC upgrades or a whole new computer, it's a bargain. The online and networking edge that PC's have enjoyed for several years, is going to be replicated in consoles with new games allowing online play. There will always remain PC loyalists, but common sense tells me, and any other sane individual that console games are a better choice. Hey, if you're cool with the extra baggage that comes with PC gaming, then by all means, but I don't see the logic in enduring such torture to do something you want to be fun."

READ!;)

Im not the only one who feels this way you know!

jasonheyman

I did but I stopped at "PC games just tend to always be buggy" and realized that its just some lame bloggers opinion.

Would be as bad as me going.

"Ive owned a SNES/DS/WII/Gamecube/Xbox/Xbox360/PS1/PS2/SEGA Saturn and 5 PCs in my lifetime and I can tell you most console games always have less content and are made for kids".

A complete load of crap.

[QUOTE="blackdreamhunk"][QUOTE="Zero5000X"]Just out of curiosity what PC games besides MMOs and The Sims have sold over 3 million copies?Zero5000X

is that it?

[QUOTE="blackdreamhunk"][QUOTE="Zero5000X"]Just out of curiosity what PC games besides MMOs and The Sims have sold over 3 million copies?Zero5000X

is that it?

of course not....

"I can get all that for $149.99 - $199.99 in an X-Box,, a GameCube, or a PS2. What a deal!"

( Refering to 1080i resolution comparing to PC ).

Yea but then you have to buy the HDTV? while your 8 year oild monitor still does a higher resolution? this guy rips apart other people saying they know nothing, but hes just as bad O_O....

"I love being able to sit or lay comfortably on my couch with a controller in hand. I just put the disc in, it boots up, and I press start. No launching Windows, no installing, no setup, no restarting windows, no downloading drivers, no popping the cover and adding RAM and graphics cards. Just gaming, pure and simple. I get to play on a huge 36 inch screen, rather than hunched over a keyboard looking at a 18.1 inch screen. As it is, many PC games are porting over to console, so by neglecting purchasing PC games, I'm not losing much".

Heres what I do in the modern age of vista and actually having common sense.

Set a hibernate timer for 15 mins of inactivity. goto bed. Wake up , press enter, BAM no windows loading, no nothing, everythings up... I click an Icon.. no discs, and I play a game. ZOMG. TEH INCONVINANCE :roll:

And a 36' screen that makes the games look alot worse unless your sitting FAR back, in which case you cant focus on the details of your surroundings due to long range eye focus, having less concentration and awareness, being less immersed... yea that sounds like fun :roll:

READ!;)

Im not the only one who feels this way you know!

jasonheyman

"Console Advantages
The most obvious advantage consoles have over PCs is cost. The majority of consoles sell for well under $500, often with a couple games in the bundle. A PC adequate for running the latest games can easily cost twice that much. jasonheyman

I might pay more for hardware, but I also pay 30$ less for each game I buy, sure, if I would hardly play any games consoles might end up cheaper, but I buy at least one game a month so for me console gaming is actualy more expensive

Multiplayer gaming is also made easy with companies like Microsoft offering online services for their product. The Xbox, which came equipped with a network card, raised the bar for consoles in this regard, making it a simple matter to hook it up to a DSL or Cable Internet connection and get into a multiplayer game on Xbox Live, complete with voice chat. jasonheyman

It's easier, but also a lot more limited. No dedicated servers, small players limits, no mods and tweaks. You do get easy experience on XBL, but the price for it is flexibility

Another appealing thing about consoles is that many people prefer to play games sitting on the couch, or they want to play with friends in the same room. While these things are possible on a PC, consoles are extremely well-suited for this right out of the box. jasonheyman

And many people prefer playing games in a chair and on a desk, the diffrence is that PC can be easily plugged into TV and with pads offer console-like experience, while consoels won't offer you PC-like experience

Console games tend to have a relatively low learning curve. You might need fast thumbs, but you certainly won't need to spend hours in a "tutorial" trying to learn how to operate basic game functions."

jasonheyman