World in Conflict multiplayer makes Starcraft 2 look as dated as it really is.

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#101 lafigueroa
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If World in Conflict's multiplayer was so great,then why is thecommunity on life support, even after all the free-play weekends and trial copies.

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#102 deactivated-59d151f079814
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Starcraft multiplayer is timeless regardless of which game it is.. Its why Starcraft 1 is still be played to this day, and WiC MP though fun is actually quite shallow..
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#103 AdrianWerner
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If World in Conflict's multiplayer was so great,then why is thecommunity on life support, even after all the free-play weekends and trial copies.

lafigueroa

I honestly don't know. Maybe it's the theme..modern conflict seems to be popular in FPSes, but not so much in strategy games, even WWII games seems to have slowed down.

It propably would end up better if they went for Sci-fi route, altough I guess they were burned out on that after two Ground Controls.

Still, such a shame, Massive is easily among the best strategy devs in the business today and the most underrated one

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#104 N30F3N1X
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I want to get Starcraft 2,but it isn't on Steam. :(

heretrix

Kinda off-topic, but...

Do you mind if I ask why? I've heard people complaining about it not being on Steam, although I never understood why that would sway anyone into buying it.

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#105 deactivated-5d6e91f5c147a
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Games don't have to "change" the genre to be fun.
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#106 heretrix
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[QUOTE="heretrix"]

I want to get Starcraft 2,but it isn't on Steam. :(

N30F3N1X

Kinda off-topic, but...

Do you mind if I ask why? I've heard people complaining about it not being on Steam, although I never understood why that would sway anyone into buying it.

Steam is my DD store of choice. I love the way it works and I love their sales. If there is going to be DRM on my PC I'd rather it be theirs.I will probably pick it up from Amazon or my local Best buy though.

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#107 chrion133
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During Brood Wars massive complete Reign of the RTS scene, games like command and conquer, and warcraft 3 had there small moments in the spotlight but never grew to the huge television success SC had. SC2 is now set to take over the multiple television channels in korea dedicated to gaming 24/7, and im sure there will be some pretty flashy RTS games that get a moment on there, but none will come close to being the main focus of the entire country and network for the next 10 years over SC2. The others just dont have the same level of depth to the gameplay, not even close.

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#108 AdrianWerner
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During Brood Wars massive complete Reign of the RTS scene, games like command and conquer, and warcraft 3 had there small moments in the spotlight but never grew to the huge television success SC had. SC2 is now set to take over the multiple television channels in korea dedicated to gaming 24/7, and im sure there will be some pretty flashy RTS games that get a moment on there, but none will come close to being the main focus of the entire country and network for the next 10 years over SC2. The others just dont have the same level of depth to the gameplay, not even close.

chrion133

There isn't really all that much depth designed into SC2, there are many deeper strategy games, it's just that the level of people playing SC got insanely high after 12 years of playing it. They got so good that they found depth there even designers at Blizzard didn't realize existed

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#109 lordreaven
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I prefer WiC to SC2, but i never liked blizzard RTS's anyways. Back in the old days, I prefered C&C over Warcraft/Starcraft. But we all know were C&C is nowadays.

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#110 1q3er5
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[QUOTE="1q3er5"]No actually WiC's MP is great, its just different from SC as in WIC requires MUCH more teamwork online, but can also be much more fulfilling. Plus I don't even want to mention SC2 cartoonish graphics. I don't know why it took Blizzard so long to make such a graphically dated game. WIC on the other hand looks amazing especially the explosions and destruction. SC2 didn't innovate as much as WIC but I doubt we will ever see a WIC2 which is a real shame. The game was very polished. What can I say about SC though. Its SC!TerrorRizzing
because devs spend all their time on graphics, nothing else. Besides, starcraft 2 looks fantastic.

Nah you obviously haven't played it.
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#111 1q3er5
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[QUOTE="1q3er5"]No actually WiC's MP is great, its just different from SC as in WIC requires MUCH more teamwork online, but can also be much more fulfilling. Plus I don't even want to mention SC2 cartoonish graphics. I don't know why it took Blizzard so long to make such a graphically dated game. WIC on the other hand looks amazing especially the explosions and destruction. SC2 didn't innovate as much as WIC but I doubt we will ever see a WIC2 which is a real shame. The game was very polished. What can I say about SC though. Its SC!ironman388

have you ever played 2v2 or 3v3 in sc2? it requires tons of teamwork. you must communicate what the plan is, what units you need to build, whether you want to rush or macro up an army, you have to help wall off you bases, attack at the right time from the right angles, help defend your teammate base, and tons of other things. 4v4 and 3v3 is a little crazy and people just tend to rush with tier one or macro up to tier 3, but in 2v2 there is a lot of teamwork.

i am not saying WiC doesnt require this much teamwork (it does), but to think that SC2 doesnt require any teamwork in 2v2 or 3v3 is quite a ridiculous statement

Well man the difference is, in SC you can still defend yourself even if your teammates are idiots. In WiC you are royaly screwed if your a armour player and your support guy isnt knocking down helicopters. This can be frustrating as well but if you have a good team who has each others back, it can be very satisfying. I do agree i wish WiC had a little more depth to it but I loved the game, such a great game.
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#112 1q3er5
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If World in Conflict's multiplayer was so great,then why is thecommunity on life support, even after all the free-play weekends and trial copies.

lafigueroa
Thats the sad thing. Do you know how many great games on PC - even with GREAT reviews all around, bomb at retail? Some of the best games ever made didn't sell well. Pirated to hell, who knows... It's just sad reallly. Just because alot of people play a certain games multiplayer doesn't mean its great, it's just where people are at. That goes for me for COD MW2. Never buying that crap again.
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#113 deactivated-5cf4b2c19c4ab
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[QUOTE="lafigueroa"]

If World in Conflict's multiplayer was so great,then why is thecommunity on life support, even after all the free-play weekends and trial copies.

1q3er5
Thats the sad thing. Do you know how many great games on PC - even with GREAT reviews all around, bomb at retail? Some of the best games ever made didn't sell well. Pirated to hell, who knows... It's just sad reallly. Just because alot of people play a certain games multiplayer doesn't mean its great, it's just where people are at. That goes for me for COD MW2. Never buying that crap again.

When world in conflict released it dominated the sales charts.
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#114 Arach666
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WiC is better in some things,SC2 is better in others,the MP however,is much more competitive in SC2.
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#115 abuabed
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Your opinion, not mine.
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#116 NanoMan88
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WiC is better in some things,SC2 is better in others,the MP however,is much more competitive in SC2.Arach666

Depends

At the pro level in Starcraft with those televised matches I would say Starcraft. However for the everyman; WIC has alot more intense clan play; probably the only RTS where clans work out

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#117 NanoMan88
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During Brood Wars massive complete Reign of the RTS scene, games like command and conquer, and warcraft 3 had there small moments in the spotlight but never grew to the huge television success SC had. SC2 is now set to take over the multiple television channels in korea dedicated to gaming 24/7, and im sure there will be some pretty flashy RTS games that get a moment on there, but none will come close to being the main focus of the entire country and network for the next 10 years over SC2. The others just dont have the same level of depth to the gameplay, not even close.

chrion133

Currently the way the balance is in SC2 I wouldnt be suprised of Korea sticks with SC1; I expected better balance from Blizzard, especially with all the time and money they spent. Why would you ask people who play competitivly like 18 hours a day to switch from the game they mastered that is balanced and proven to a game that is unfamiliar to them and not balanced.

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#118 Nyuuuu
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Tell that to the millions of South Koreans who've religiously been playing Starcraft for 12 years. WiC is awesome, but to diss Starcraft... Just stop.

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#119 Instashot
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[QUOTE="AdrianWerner"]

[QUOTE="chrion133"]

During Brood Wars massive complete Reign of the RTS scene, games like command and conquer, and warcraft 3 had there small moments in the spotlight but never grew to the huge television success SC had. SC2 is now set to take over the multiple television channels in korea dedicated to gaming 24/7, and im sure there will be some pretty flashy RTS games that get a moment on there, but none will come close to being the main focus of the entire country and network for the next 10 years over SC2. The others just dont have the same level of depth to the gameplay, not even close.

There isn't really all that much depth designed into SC2, there are many deeper strategy games, it's just that the level of people playing SC got insanely high after 12 years of playing it. They got so good that they found depth there even designers at Blizzard didn't realize existed

Agreed.
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#120 Instashot
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[QUOTE="ferret-gamer"][QUOTE="1q3er5"][QUOTE="lafigueroa"]

If World in Conflict's multiplayer was so great,then why is thecommunity on life support, even after all the free-play weekends and trial copies.

Thats the sad thing. Do you know how many great games on PC - even with GREAT reviews all around, bomb at retail? Some of the best games ever made didn't sell well. Pirated to hell, who knows... It's just sad reallly. Just because alot of people play a certain games multiplayer doesn't mean its great, it's just where people are at. That goes for me for COD MW2. Never buying that crap again.

When world in conflict released it dominated the sales charts.

Yup
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WiC is good but CoH really upped my expectations of RTS games.
Units pointing in a direction, different kinds of cover, resource gathered by holding terrain, the ability to retreat.
It results in beautiful skirmishes in a battle.

In SC2 you often feel like that first battle decides everything. You race to build and if it isn't done fast enough it's over.
In CoH I never felt that way. You can lose 10 skirmishes going on but win the 2 that mattered to you and make a fantastic comeback.

The tech actually results in units becoming less useful. And skirmishes can last long enough to respond to them so that a big skirmish can really fluctuate and change dramatically when new units are interfering.

CoH also had many bad points. Balance wasn't all that good, some structures and units had little value, the vehicles' pathfinding can be pretty bad and it had silly bugs. For example my dad produced a tank and it appeared on top of the building that was next to it, and the tank couldn't move anymore.
But man the days of standard RTS are over. Especially after SC2, that perfects the standard RTS formula, I now want to see a developer pick up what CoH did and perfect THAT.

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#122 1q3er5
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[QUOTE="ferret-gamer"][QUOTE="1q3er5"] Thats the sad thing. Do you know how many great games on PC - even with GREAT reviews all around, bomb at retail? Some of the best games ever made didn't sell well. Pirated to hell, who knows... It's just sad reallly. Just because alot of people play a certain games multiplayer doesn't mean its great, it's just where people are at. That goes for me for COD MW2. Never buying that crap again.Instashot
When world in conflict released it dominated the sales charts.

Yup

It did top the charts but thats not saying much. And thats the reason there is no WiC 2. I would have loved a modern setting for Wic 2. I bet it would have sold better too even though the 80's theme was very well done.
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#123 -Snooze-
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SC2 is uses a very dated formula. However there's nothing wrong with that, it's still just as fun as it was when it was in it's prime, and SC2 has perfected it.

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#124 Mograine
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Starcraft 2's multiplayer makes World in Conflict look as humble as it really is.

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#125 edinsftw
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I only dont like starcraft 2 because i played it 10 years ago.

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#126 Stevo_the_gamer  Moderator
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Egh, to be honest -- I love World in Conflict -- but I would rather play Company of Heroes.