World of Final Fantasy

Today there was a Q/A with FF14 (MMO). I was expecting it to be a huge upgrade from FFXI (Which is currently the second most populer payed MMO running).

So I went into this Q/A very excited, then they said this......

[12:02] Next question, "What kind of influences from other MMOGs like World of Warcraft have there been on FFXIV?"

[12:02] Komoto responds, "As with WOW, they're aimed at the casual user, we're aiming for more casual users. However, we don't want to make a copy of WOW, we want to be unique."

Oh I get it, so you want to make the game Casual for 10 year old boys getting into the game.....Amazing.

It's the biggest FU to all those FFXI fans who loved that it was a PURE HARDCORE game, either you hated it or you loved it.

Hearing that, I think now its going to be a clear interface like wow with "buttons 1 2 3 4 5" etc, and more click and play type.

Anybody else who are FFXI fans pissed about this?

Also if your a person who hated FFXI, if it the game is more user friendly and faster paced will you Consider giving it a shot?.

Today there was a Q/A with FF14 (MMO). I was expecting it to be a huge upgrade from FFXI (Which is currently the second most populer payed MMO running).

So I went into this Q/A very excited, then they said this......

[12:02] Next question, "What kind of influences from other MMOGs like World of Warcraft have there been on FFXIV?"

[12:02] Komoto responds, "As with WOW, they're aimed at the casual user, we're aiming for more casual users. However, we don't want to make a copy of WOW, we want to be unique."

Oh I get it, so you want to make the game Casual for 10 year old boys getting into the game.....Amazing.

It's the biggest FU to all those FFXI fans who loved that it was a PURE HARDCORE game, either you hated it or you loved it.

Hearing that, I think now its going to be a clear interface like wow with "buttons 1 2 3 4 5" etc, and more click and play type.

Anybody else who are FFXI fans pissed about this?

Also if your a person who hated FFXI, if it the game is more user friendly and faster paced will you Consider giving it a shot?.

vanadiel242424

casual means 10 year old boys? really? I dont plan on playing an FF MMO, but i'm sure it will be a quality game. FFXI was very popular and got decent scores. WoW is a casual game, and all ages play it. Casual simply means that it's friendly to people who have lives.

First of all your lack of knowledge surprises me.

FFXI was the second Most Payed MMO behind WoW with 1 million active users. (even tho wow has 11 million).

The casual thing I understand but it's improper to make the whole game casual just because of WoW.

Like a person said in the other thread.

FFxi was the last classic MMO. WoW destroyed the genre.

[QUOTE="vanadiel242424"]

Today there was a Q/A with FF14 (MMO). I was expecting it to be a huge upgrade from FFXI (Which is currently the second most populer payed MMO running).

So I went into this Q/A very excited, then they said this......

[12:02] Next question, "What kind of influences from other MMOGs like World of Warcraft have there been on FFXIV?"

[12:02] Komoto responds, "As with WOW, they're aimed at the casual user, we're aiming for more casual users. However, we don't want to make a copy of WOW, we want to be unique."

Oh I get it, so you want to make the game Casual for 10 year old boys getting into the game.....Amazing.

It's the biggest FU to all those FFXI fans who loved that it was a PURE HARDCORE game, either you hated it or you loved it.

Hearing that, I think now its going to be a clear interface like wow with "buttons 1 2 3 4 5" etc, and more click and play type.

Anybody else who are FFXI fans pissed about this?

Also if your a person who hated FFXI, if it the game is more user friendly and faster paced will you Consider giving it a shot?.

HoldThePhone

It doesn't seem the FFXI is that different from WoW, and seeing commercials for WoW with Ozzy and Mr. T... seems like these are all geared towards casual gamers as well as the hardcore (if they really exist). So marketing FFXIV towards casual is the appropriate thing to do. A "casual" playing a MMO a few hours a week to start could turn into a "hardcore" playing dozens of hours a week pretty quickly.

I'm quite a bit older than 10 and I'm glad they are making it casual. I'm actually interested in it now. Harcore MMO's FTL.

[QUOTE="HoldThePhone"]

[QUOTE="vanadiel242424"]

Today there was a Q/A with FF14 (MMO). I was expecting it to be a huge upgrade from FFXI (Which is currently the second most populer payed MMO running).

So I went into this Q/A very excited, then they said this......

[12:02] Next question, "What kind of influences from other MMOGs like World of Warcraft have there been on FFXIV?"

[12:02] Komoto responds, "As with WOW, they're aimed at the casual user, we're aiming for more casual users. However, we don't want to make a copy of WOW, we want to be unique."

Oh I get it, so you want to make the game Casual for 10 year old boys getting into the game.....Amazing.

It's the biggest FU to all those FFXI fans who loved that it was a PURE HARDCORE game, either you hated it or you loved it.

Hearing that, I think now its going to be a clear interface like wow with "buttons 1 2 3 4 5" etc, and more click and play type.

Anybody else who are FFXI fans pissed about this?

Also if your a person who hated FFXI, if it the game is more user friendly and faster paced will you Consider giving it a shot?.

jimkabrhel

It doesn't seem the FFXI is that different from WoW, and seeing commercials for WoW with Ozzy and Mr. T... seems like these are all geared towards casual gamers as well as the hardcore (if they really exist). So marketing FFXIV towards casual is the appropriate thing to do. A "casual" playing a MMO a few hours a week to start could turn into a "hardcore" playing dozens of hours a week pretty quickly.

FFXI is completely diffrent from wow.

Wow has a interface that you can click buttons and spam and solo up to top level without much effort.

FFXI you had to creat macros for each skill, it was more for the hardcore, slower progress but huge team effort oriented.

Also FFXI endgame suprpases WoWs endgame 10 fold, but the fun thing to do is make it to the endgame which takes a lot of time.

"Hardcore" MMOs are overrated. If there's one area of games that needs to be casualized, it's MMORPGs.

Yeah, WoW ruined everything. All the people playing it and all the critics who rated it would agree with you.

WoW isn't for everyone, but it deserves some respect.

"Hardcore" MMOs are overrated. If there's one area of games that needs to be casualized, it's MMORPGs.

XBebop

Well Since its gonna be casualized from what they said.

I hope they have some of the hardcore elements FFXI had.

[QUOTE="jimkabrhel"]

[QUOTE="HoldThePhone"] casual means 10 year old boys? really? I dont plan on playing an FF MMO, but i'm sure it will be a quality game. FFXI was very popular and got decent scores. WoW is a casual game, and all ages play it. Casual simply means that it's friendly to people who have lives.

vanadiel242424

It doesn't seem the FFXI is that different from WoW, and seeing commercials for WoW with Ozzy and Mr. T... seems like these are all geared towards casual gamers as well as the hardcore (if they really exist). So marketing FFXIV towards casual is the appropriate thing to do. A "casual" playing a MMO a few hours a week to start could turn into a "hardcore" playing dozens of hours a week pretty quickly.

FFXI is completely diffrent from wow.

Wow has a interface that you can click buttons and spam and solo up to top level without much effort.

FFXI you had to creat macros for each skill, it was more for the hardcore, slower progress but huge team effort oriented.

Also FFXI endgame suprpases WoWs endgame 10 fold, but the fun thing to do is make it to the endgame which takes a lot of time.

Yeah, WoW ruined everything. All the people playing it and all the critics who rated it would agree with you.

WoW isn't for everyone, but it deserves some respect.

HoldThePhone

I played/play it for 5 years now, I don't mind wow. I Just basically had my casual mmo (wow) and then my hardcore mmo (ffxi) type thing.

[QUOTE="jimkabrhel"]

[QUOTE="HoldThePhone"] casual means 10 year old boys? really? I dont plan on playing an FF MMO, but i'm sure it will be a quality game. FFXI was very popular and got decent scores. WoW is a casual game, and all ages play it. Casual simply means that it's friendly to people who have lives.

vanadiel242424

It doesn't seem the FFXI is that different from WoW, and seeing commercials for WoW with Ozzy and Mr. T... seems like these are all geared towards casual gamers as well as the hardcore (if they really exist). So marketing FFXIV towards casual is the appropriate thing to do. A "casual" playing a MMO a few hours a week to start could turn into a "hardcore" playing dozens of hours a week pretty quickly.

FFXI is completely diffrent from wow.

Wow has a interface that you can click buttons and spam and solo up to top level without much effort.

FFXI you had to creat macros for each skill, it was more for the hardcore, slower progress but huge team effort oriented.

Also FFXI endgame suprpases WoWs endgame 10 fold, but the fun thing to do is make it to the endgame which takes a lot of time.

[QUOTE="HoldThePhone"]

Yeah, WoW ruined everything. All the people playing it and all the critics who rated it would agree with you.

WoW isn't for everyone, but it deserves some respect.

vanadiel242424

I played/play it for 5 years now, I don't mind wow. I Just basically had my casual mmo (wow) and then my hardcore mmo (ffxi) type thing.

Is this at all surprising? SE want to make it as accessible to as many people as possible. They want their own little cash cow (WoW).

casual means 10 year old boys? really? I dont plan on playing an FF MMO, but i'm sure it will be a quality game. FFXI was very popular and got decent scores. WoW is a casual game, and all ages play it. Casual simply means that it's friendly to people who have lives.vanadiel242424

First of all your lack of knowledge surprises me.

FFXI was the second Most Payed MMO behind WoW with 1 million active users. (even tho wow has 11 million).

The casual thing I understand but it's improper to make the whole game casual just because of WoW.

Like a person said in the other thread.

FFxi was the last classic MMO. WoW destroyed the genre.

LOL at the FFXI super fans. WoW has well over 20 million subscribers in the world. It's the most successful MMO ever released, and has made the genre appeal to a much wider range of people than Evercrack or Fail Fantasy XI did. Even at its peak, FFXI never had the mass of subscribers WoW has. And as for now, FFXI has less players than Runescape, MapleStory, and Guild Wars... It's great to hear you fanboys cry that WoW has ruined the genre by making it more appealing. Just because some developers don't spoonfeed their hardcore userbase and actually take the time to make something fun doesn't mean it's bad.

[QUOTE="vanadiel242424"]

[QUOTE="jimkabrhel"]

It doesn't seem the FFXI is that different from WoW, and seeing commercials for WoW with Ozzy and Mr. T... seems like these are all geared towards casual gamers as well as the hardcore (if they really exist). So marketing FFXIV towards casual is the appropriate thing to do. A "casual" playing a MMO a few hours a week to start could turn into a "hardcore" playing dozens of hours a week pretty quickly.

TheOwnerOner

FFXI is completely diffrent from wow.

Wow has a interface that you can click buttons and spam and solo up to top level without much effort.

FFXI you had to creat macros for each skill, it was more for the hardcore, slower progress but huge team effort oriented.

Also FFXI endgame suprpases WoWs endgame 10 fold, but the fun thing to do is make it to the endgame which takes a lot of time.

[QUOTE="vanadiel242424"]

casual means 10 year old boys? really? I dont plan on playing an FF MMO, but i'm sure it will be a quality game. FFXI was very popular and got decent scores. WoW is a casual game, and all ages play it. Casual simply means that it's friendly to people who have lives.princeofshapeir

First of all your lack of knowledge surprises me.

FFXI was the second Most Payed MMO behind WoW with 1 million active users. (even tho wow has 11 million).

The casual thing I understand but it's improper to make the whole game casual just because of WoW.

Like a person said in the other thread.

FFxi was the last classic MMO. WoW destroyed the genre.

LOL at the FFXI super fans. WoW has well over 20 million subscribers in the world. It's the most successful MMO ever released, and has made the genre appeal to a much wider range of people than Evercrack or Fail Fantasy XI did. Even at its peak, FFXI never had the mass of subscribers WoW has. And as for now, FFXI has less players than Runescape, MapleStory, and Guild Wars... It's great to hear you fanboys cry that WoW has ruined the genre by making it more appealing. Just because some developers don't spoonfeed their hardcore userbase and actually take the time to make something fun doesn't mean it's bad.

It's actually around 11.5 million.

This article is from the end of 2008.

It's actually around 11.5 million.

This article is from the end of 2008.

-Traveller-

[QUOTE="-Traveller-"]

It's actually around 11.5 million.

This article is from the end of 2008.

princeofshapeir

Lol, everything else you said was pretty accurate. I saw 20 million, and I thought ":o"

[QUOTE="princeofshapeir"]

[QUOTE="vanadiel242424"]

First of all your lack of knowledge surprises me.

FFXI was the second Most Payed MMO behind WoW with 1 million active users. (even tho wow has 11 million).

The casual thing I understand but it's improper to make the whole game casual just because of WoW.

Like a person said in the other thread.

FFxi was the last classic MMO. WoW destroyed the genre.

-Traveller-

LOL at the FFXI super fans. WoW has well over 20 million subscribers in the world. It's the most successful MMO ever released, and has made the genre appeal to a much wider range of people than Evercrack or Fail Fantasy XI did. Even at its peak, FFXI never had the mass of subscribers WoW has. And as for now, FFXI has less players than Runescape, MapleStory, and Guild Wars... It's great to hear you fanboys cry that WoW has ruined the genre by making it more appealing. Just because some developers don't spoonfeed their hardcore userbase and actually take the time to make something fun doesn't mean it's bad.

It's actually around 11.5 million.

This article is from the end of 2008.

[QUOTE="-Traveller-"]

It's actually around 11.5 million.

This article is from the end of 2008.

princeofshapeir

[QUOTE="-Traveller-"]

[QUOTE="princeofshapeir"]

LOL at the FFXI super fans. WoW has well over 20 million subscribers in the world. It's the most successful MMO ever released, and has made the genre appeal to a much wider range of people than Evercrack or Fail Fantasy XI did. Even at its peak, FFXI never had the mass of subscribers WoW has. And as for now, FFXI has less players than Runescape, MapleStory, and Guild Wars... It's great to hear you fanboys cry that WoW has ruined the genre by making it more appealing. Just because some developers don't spoonfeed their hardcore userbase and actually take the time to make something fun doesn't mean it's bad.

Pirate700

It's actually around 11.5 million.

This article is from the end of 2008.

Well those were the numbers for the end*ish* of 2008. So I don't doubt it's increased. I can't see 15 mil though :P but you never know.

[QUOTE="princeofshapeir"]

[QUOTE="-Traveller-"]

It's actually around 11.5 million.

This article is from the end of 2008.

110million

[QUOTE=""] casual means 10 year old boys? really? I dont plan on playing an FF MMO, but i'm sure it will be a quality game. FFXI was very popular and got decent scores. WoW is a casual game, and all ages play it. Casual simply means that it's friendly to people who have lives.vanadiel242424

First of all your lack of knowledge surprises me.

FFXI was the second Most Payed MMO behind WoW with 1 million active users. (even tho wow has 11 million).

The casual thing I understand but it's improper to make the whole game casual just because of WoW.

Like a person said in the other thread.

FFxi was the last classic MMO. WoW destroyed the genre.

This is complete BS.

FFXI was never second. It barely got to half a million subscribers.

2. Rune Scape

3. Lineage.

4. Lineage 2.

5. Final Fantasy

As for kids. I'm not sure if it was the server I played on or what but, FF had by far the most kids. I haved played dozens of MMOs and the kids were worst in FF than WOW. I always wondered what the Japense thought seeing that the chat channel was always constantly getting spammed by kids cursing and saying stupid things. I was embrassed to play that game. That's not something that ever really bothered me with any of the other MMOs. I've played WOW for years and the chat was never even half as bad as it was in FF.

[QUOTE="vanadiel242424"]

[QUOTE=""] casual means 10 year old boys? really? I dont plan on playing an FF MMO, but i'm sure it will be a quality game. FFXI was very popular and got decent scores. WoW is a casual game, and all ages play it. Casual simply means that it's friendly to people who have lives.sleepingzzz

First of all your lack of knowledge surprises me.

FFXI was the second Most Payed MMO behind WoW with 1 million active users. (even tho wow has 11 million).

The casual thing I understand but it's improper to make the whole game casual just because of WoW.

Like a person said in the other thread.

FFxi was the last classic MMO. WoW destroyed the genre.

This is complete BS.

FFXI was never second. It barely got to half a million subscribers.

2. Rune Scape

3. Lineage.

4. Lineage 2.

5. Final Fantasy

As for kids. I'm not sure if it was the server I played on or what but, FF had by far the most kids. I haved played dozens of MMOs and the kids were worst in FF than WOW. I always wondered what the Japense thought seeing that the chat channel was always constantly getting spammed by kids cursing and saying stupid things. I was embrassed to play that game. That's not something that ever really bothered me with any of the other MMOs. I've played WOW for years and the chat was never even half as bad as it was in FF.

Chat's just plain funny in WoW. Call me immature, but Trade Chat is just hilarious nowadays.

[QUOTE="110million"][QUOTE="princeofshapeir"] My mistake. :P Either way, WoW is still the most popular MMORPG on the market.

princeofshapeir

Not liking MMOs in general is probably what makes me not like WoW, but like FFXI instead, I've tried about 30 different MMOs at some point or another, some for a week or so of trials, some only took a couple hours to tell they were crap, FFXI is the only one that had me paying (even if for short bursts) since it was unlike other MMOs.

Edits: stupid formatting was all wrong, I hate you gamespot.

Final Fanasty boss could take 24 hours to kill

Final Fantasy Boss takes 24hours toll kill. Players pass out and vomit. That is the last FF online game. So I am not expecting next one to be to great if you have to fight stuff like that to get the good rewards.

They're making Final Fantasy XIV accessible to non-MMO fantatics? Oh the humanity. :cry:

[QUOTE="vanadiel242424"]

[QUOTE=""] casual means 10 year old boys? really? I dont plan on playing an FF MMO, but i'm sure it will be a quality game. FFXI was very popular and got decent scores. WoW is a casual game, and all ages play it. Casual simply means that it's friendly to people who have lives.sleepingzzz

First of all your lack of knowledge surprises me.

FFXI was the second Most Payed MMO behind WoW with 1 million active users. (even tho wow has 11 million).

The casual thing I understand but it's improper to make the whole game casual just because of WoW.

Like a person said in the other thread.

FFxi was the last classic MMO. WoW destroyed the genre.

This is complete BS.

FFXI was never second. It barely got to half a million subscribers.

2. Rune Scape

3. Lineage.

4. Lineage 2.

5. Final Fantasy

As for kids. I'm not sure if it was the server I played on or what but, FF had by far the most kids. I haved played dozens of MMOs and the kids were worst in FF than WOW. I always wondered what the Japense thought seeing that the chat channel was always constantly getting spammed by kids cursing and saying stupid things. I was embrassed to play that game. That's not something that ever really bothered me with any of the other MMOs. I've played WOW for years and the chat was never even half as bad as it was in FF.

I don't know what game you were playing but i played both FFXI and WoW for about 2 years each and WoW takes the cake by far for immature kids.

Final Fanasty boss could take 24 hours to kill

Final Fantasy Boss takes 24hours toll kill. Players pass out and vomit. That is the last FF online game. So I am not expecting next one to be to great if you have to fight stuff like that to get the good rewards.

rybe1025

The whole concept of making the some of the main series FF games an MMO is a giant F U.siLVURcross

FF XI was the entry that made the Final Fantasy series Jump the Shark...

"Hardcore" MMOs are overrated. If there's one area of games that needs to be casualized, it's MMORPGs.

XBebop

Anyone who says that is ignorant.

Casualisation of the MMORPG just makes them glorified social networking games instead of games that suck you into a world with depth where you MAKE friends through hard and long journeys rather then just ignore everyone you don't know.

LOL at the FFXI super fans. WoW has well over 20 million subscribers in the world. It's the most successful MMO ever released, and has made the genre appeal to a much wider range of people than Evercrack or Fail Fantasy XI did. Even at its peak, FFXI never had the mass of subscribers WoW has. And as for now, FFXI has less players than Runescape, MapleStory, and Guild Wars... It's great to hear you fanboys cry that WoW has ruined the genre by making it more appealing. Just because some developers don't spoonfeed their hardcore userbase and actually take the time to make something fun doesn't mean it's bad.princeofshapeir

WoW has 12 million, and it is dropping fast because of the trouble in China, Blizzard is completely losing the Asian market to Aion. And with no new raid content for the next major patch, WoW will only drop even further.

If ignorants like yourself knew anything about WoW you'd know that it was hardcore gamers that first made it popular... The shear number of hardcore players who were playing it then got to the point where it became more and more noticable in mainstream media.

Who joined WoW when it started to boost it? Everquest fans, WC3 fans, and FPS fans. There were NO good MMORPGs at the time, if anything Blizzard released at the perfect time and it worked out for them... Everquest was like fighting blocks against each other, UO was far to old, Everquest 2 was unplayable when it was first released and there are other examples of other MMORPGs at the time which helped boost WoW...

http://syncaine.wordpress.com/2009/02/06/storms-tourist-and-failure-the-mmo-market/

WoW was polished graphically at the start, but anyone who played it early knew what they had to put up with when WoW started, casuals came into the middle of its life time because word of mouth got around BECAUSE hardcore gamers made the game popular and soon enough you have gamers that need a game 100% polished and ready to go because they never experienced the start of a MMORPG.

EDIT:

Oh, looks like in another post you state you joined at TBC, looks like I was right about you being ignorant.

MMORPGs cease to be MMORPGs if they become casual, they lose the point of being a MMORPG. Please don't get Bejeweled mixed in with MMORPGs.

ok i never played ffxi, and i am equally annoyed w/ ffxiv, but for different reasons. I just don't understand what part of the 1,2,3,4,5 buttons makes wow unhardcore. keymapping spells is totally hardcore. And you don't have to map them to 12345. you can map them to any button, and you can map more than 10. very hardcore. WoW despite its humungous userbase, is still an MMO, and is therefore still very, very hardcore. Level up by doing meanial quests or grinding, and when you peak, repeat instances over and over and over again until you get the thing that will finally make you pimp.