Would it be wise for Sony and Microsoft to "skip" a generation?

So, all of us have been hearing about project cafe recently, but I was just thinking, would it be a good idea for Sony and Microsoft to not make a new console and to continue to support the PS3 and Xbox360 until the "PROJECT CAFE" succesor comes out?

Let's see:

-It would allow for there to be a more noticeable jump in the generations.

- It would really damper on Nintendo's lead. If all three consoles have the same specs and the Nintendo sells for $100 more, who's ultimately going to make more sales?

-It wouldn't exactly place neither Microsoft nor Sony in a bad place, because they won't have to spend so much money on the development of these consoles, and allow them to save up more money for something truly extraordinary, while Nintendo tries to recover from putting out a new console.

Discuss.

I vote yet. Gaming is still fun as it is right now. I'm not ready to ante up for a new console yet. By 2006 I was ready for one. But the current consoles are still going strong. If Project Cafe is being released to compete with 360/PS3 the only thing it would do is level the current lop-sided playing field. if it turns out that the system is actually far more advanced than PS3 and 360 than maybe we'll see the successors to the HD Twins sooner. But I'd rather have this gen last another five years than spend more money.

Depends on whether or not the general populace percieve a touch-screen controller to be a worthwhile value proposition.

Improvements in graphical fidelity aren't likely to be significant enough, imo, especially for the crowd who bought the Wii. And I don't think there's an outcry for new hardware right now.

It would be a horrible idea since a lot of their fanbase would switch / focus more on Nintendo / PC

It would be a horrible idea since a lot of their fanbase would switch / focus more on Nintendo / PC

ArchoNils2

"Yes" and "No", I think Microsoft and Sony should do more half-step systems that are more affordable rather than trying to just soley go for a huge graphical update.

So, all of us have been hearing about project cafe recently, but I was just thinking, would it be a good idea for Sony and Microsoft to not make a new console and to continue to support the PS3 and Xbox360 until the "PROJECT CAFE" succesor comes out?

Let's see:

-It would allow for there to be a more noticeable jump in the generations.

- It would really damper on Nintendo's lead. If all three consoles have the same specs and the Nintendo sells for $100 more, who's ultimately going to make more sales?

-It wouldn't exactly place neither Microsoft nor Sony in a bad place, because they won't have to spend so much money on the development of these consoles, and allow them to save up more money for something truly extraordinary, while Nintendo tries to recover from putting out a new console.

Discuss.

verbtex

wait, is this guy serious? please tell me that's not a real question you are asking.

No, they're going to lose many people, including me, to the PC market for real gaming.-RocBoys9489-

itll never happen. No loyality like brand loyality. People are INVESTED. PSN has been down for like a month and the Sony gamers are still being loyal to Sony because they have invested too much time and money on hardware, software & assessories. You people are in a phantasy world if you think the average Nintendo, Sony or Microsoft gamers is just going to up and leave something they have invested so much in. Do you sell your good running car because a new model comes out? Most people don't. Brand Loyality it strong and getting stronger. call em fanboys call em what ever you want to call them. The same could be said about Apple, Google & Microsoft....or Sprint, ATT & Verizon. Some people jump ship but most people WONT.

No we need new consoles now.....unless they want Nintendo too win the next gen toometal_zombie

It would be a horrible idea since a lot of their fanbase would switch / focus more on Nintendo / PC

ArchoNils2

wait, is this guy serious? please tell me that's not a real question you are asking.

dipsetboy17

I'm really asking the question. This is the op, being serious.

Simply no.MonsieurX

Elaborate please, I don't see the bad of them going this route.

No, they're going to lose many people, including me, to the PC market for real gaming.-RocBoys9489-

Based on what incentive?

Are you not satisifed with the Xbox360 and PS3? Do they feel stale now? If no, there's no reason you need an upgrade. Why would you want to spend an extra $300+ on a new console if for the same amount you could buy 5 games on current gen consoles?

lol no.. campzor

Why not? Explain to me please.

[QUOTE="-RocBoys9489-"]No, they're going to lose many people, including me, to the PC market for real gaming.Coolyfett

itll never happen. No loyality like brand loyality. People are INVESTED. PSN has been down for like a month and the Sony gamers are still being loyal to Sony because they have invested too much time and money on hardware, software & assessories. You people are in a phantasy world if you think the average Nintendo, Sony or Microsoft gamers is just going to up and leave something they have invested so much in. Do you sell your good running car because a new model comes out? Most people don't. Brand Loyality it strong and getting stronger. call em fanboys call em what ever you want to call them. The same could be said about Apple, Google & Microsoft....or Sprint, ATT & Verizon. Some people jump ship but most people WONT.

"Yes" and "No", I think Microsoft and Sony should do more half-step systems that are more affordable rather than trying to just soley go for a huge graphical update.

DarkGamer007

So you kind of want a Wii move? Like go from the gamecube to the Wii the Xbox360 and Ps3 to their succesors?

[QUOTE="-RocBoys9489-"]No, they're going to lose many people, including me, to the PC market for real gaming.verbtex

Based on what incentive?

Are you not satisifed with the Xbox360 and PS3? Do they feel stale now? If no, there's no reason you need an upgrade. Why would you want to spend an extra $300+ on a new console if for the same amount you could buy 5 games on current gen consoles?

No, the problem with skipping is you could give up your marketshare and never get it back.

[QUOTE="Coolyfett"]

[QUOTE="-RocBoys9489-"]No, they're going to lose many people, including me, to the PC market for real gaming.-RocBoys9489-

itll never happen. No loyality like brand loyality. People are INVESTED. PSN has been down for like a month and the Sony gamers are still being loyal to Sony because they have invested too much time and money on hardware, software & assessories. You people are in a phantasy world if you think the average Nintendo, Sony or Microsoft gamers is just going to up and leave something they have invested so much in. Do you sell your good running car because a new model comes out? Most people don't. Brand Loyality it strong and getting stronger. call em fanboys call em what ever you want to call them. The same could be said about Apple, Google & Microsoft....or Sprint, ATT & Verizon. Some people jump ship but most people WONT.

I don't think its really about loyalty, I think its more about thinking smart in an economy with no clearly defined/predictable future.

not sure, but i hate nintendo for trying to start this gen so early. I hope the project cafe don't force miscrosoft & sony to release a system next year

Microsoft and Sony have three options. Both to be made after E3. We know both are putting together contracts with hardware vendors as we speak. Heck one might surprise us at this years E3. But patients is key. Option one: watch Nintendo unveil console, look at hardware specs and crowd reception. IF Nintendo's new console is awe powerful they can..... Keep their console on he market and lower it's price to combat sales against it or put out an equal console at lower cost. Option three: watch Nintendo put out a console on par with PS3 and 360. Keep their consoles on the market all next gen and save money.caseypayne69

The point of this thread is asking if it would be wise if option three was available.

No, the problem with skipping is you could give up your marketshare and never get it back.

James161324

Will it really be "losing marketshare" if the PS3 and Xbox360 keep their current sales and then "Project Cafe" releases with 0? Isn't that above average marketshare, especially if all the console have pretty much the same specs?

not sure, but i hate nintendo for trying to start this gen so early. I hope the project cafe don't force miscrosoft & sony to release a system next year

mojosodopee

The point of this thread is asking if it would be wise for them to let project cafe release, and for Microsoft and Sony to wait for its successor to release a new console. So talk to me about it.

Hardware limitations. It's not about better graphics people, it's about having better hardware to make better games. Many this gen's best games would not be possible on last gen hardware. -RocBoys9489-

[QUOTE="-RocBoys9489-"]Hardware limitations. It's not about better graphics people, it's about having better hardware to make better games. Many this gen's best games would not be possible on last gen hardware. shinrabanshou

[QUOTE="verbtex"]

[QUOTE="-RocBoys9489-"]No, they're going to lose many people, including me, to the PC market for real gaming.-RocBoys9489-

Based on what incentive?

Are you not satisifed with the Xbox360 and PS3? Do they feel stale now? If no, there's no reason you need an upgrade. Why would you want to spend an extra $300+ on a new console if for the same amount you could buy 5 games on current gen consoles?

How much better can we really get with hardware without making the consoles cost over $300? And do we really need better hardware? Physics on most games this generation are so close to realistic, its hard sometimes to forget some of the greater games are just games. Plus developer costs are rising, and developers are just getting really good with what they got. why increase costs even more and limit more developers? I'd rather have a console with a lot of games of the quality we have today than consoles with only exclusives, and only 6 of them due to developer costs, on better hardware.

No, losing market share is never a good idea.gamefan67

I wrote this five posts above you. "Will it really be "losing marketshare" if the PS3 and Xbox360 keep their current sales and then "Project Cafe" releases with 0? Isn't that above average marketshare, especially if all the console have pretty much the same specs?"

[QUOTE="shinrabanshou"]

[QUOTE="-RocBoys9489-"]Hardware limitations. It's not about better graphics people, it's about having better hardware to make better games. Many this gen's best games would not be possible on last gen hardware. -RocBoys9489-

Yeah, but if the Xbox and the Ps3 keep releasing games, why move on?

The same reasons as last gen? Games stop coming out for the old system, and you gotta get the new one-RocBoys9489-

Why would they do such a thing when they are making a profit?lawlessx

The PS3 became profitable just a few years ago. Why would they want to restart a generation where theres little profit if they could be profitable and still compete?

[QUOTE="gamefan67"]No, losing market share is never a good idea.verbtex

I wrote this five posts above you. "Will it really be "losing marketshare" if the PS3 and Xbox360 keep their current sales and then "Project Cafe" releases with 0? Isn't that above average marketshare, especially if all the console have pretty much the same specs?"

[QUOTE="Coolyfett"]

[QUOTE="-RocBoys9489-"]No, they're going to lose many people, including me, to the PC market for real gaming.-RocBoys9489-

itll never happen. No loyality like brand loyality. People are INVESTED. PSN has been down for like a month and the Sony gamers are still being loyal to Sony because they have invested too much time and money on hardware, software & assessories. You people are in a phantasy world if you think the average Nintendo, Sony or Microsoft gamers is just going to up and leave something they have invested so much in. Do you sell your good running car because a new model comes out? Most people don't. Brand Loyality it strong and getting stronger. call em fanboys call em what ever you want to call them. The same could be said about Apple, Google & Microsoft....or Sprint, ATT & Verizon. Some people jump ship but most people WONT.

So what happens to your Xbox live account you will never touch it again in your life? yes or no?

[QUOTE="-RocBoys9489-"][QUOTE="Coolyfett"]

itll never happen. No loyality like brand loyality. People are INVESTED. PSN has been down for like a month and the Sony gamers are still being loyal to Sony because they have invested too much time and money on hardware, software & assessories. You people are in a phantasy world if you think the average Nintendo, Sony or Microsoft gamers is just going to up and leave something they have invested so much in. Do you sell your good running car because a new model comes out? Most people don't. Brand Loyality it strong and getting stronger. call em fanboys call em what ever you want to call them. The same could be said about Apple, Google & Microsoft....or Sprint, ATT & Verizon. Some people jump ship but most people WONT.

verbtex

I don't think its really about loyalty, I think its more about thinking smart in an economy with no clearly defined/predictable future.

I should note that I don't think they should "skip" the generation. But there's a reasoned argument for holding out a couple years after Nintendo release their machine next year.

[QUOTE="verbtex"]

[QUOTE="gamefan67"]No, losing market share is never a good idea.gamefan67

I wrote this five posts above you. "Will it really be "losing marketshare" if the PS3 and Xbox360 keep their current sales and then "Project Cafe" releases with 0? Isn't that above average marketshare, especially if all the console have pretty much the same specs?"

And the consoles are currently still at ASPs similar to the launch pricepoint of the PS2.

If anything development is getting too costly and there's little desire for new hardware to increase development costs even further from developers and publishers alike.

Some publicised examples:

"At this point I have no desire as a developer and zero desire as a gamer to see the next generation come out," Ken Levine

"It would be horrible," Bilson told Eurogamer in an exclusive interview published today. "But I think they all know our model's broken anyway.

"It still costs us a fortune to make games on this platform. If they're going to up the scale, up the art, up the content, I don't know how to make that and sell it to anybody for under $100 a game.

"Who wants to do that?" he asked. "It's bad for everybody."

not sure, but i hate nintendo for trying to start this gen so early. I hope the project cafe don't force miscrosoft & sony to release a system next year

mojosodopee

[QUOTE="-RocBoys9489-"]The same reasons as last gen? Games stop coming out for the old system, and you gotta get the new oneshinrabanshou

[QUOTE="verbtex"]

[QUOTE="-RocBoys9489-"]No, they're going to lose many people, including me, to the PC market for real gaming.-RocBoys9489-

Based on what incentive?

Are you not satisifed with the Xbox360 and PS3? Do they feel stale now? If no, there's no reason you need an upgrade. Why would you want to spend an extra $300+ on a new console if for the same amount you could buy 5 games on current gen consoles?

[QUOTE="-RocBoys9489-"][QUOTE="Coolyfett"]

itll never happen. No loyality like brand loyality. People are INVESTED. PSN has been down for like a month and the Sony gamers are still being loyal to Sony because they have invested too much time and money on hardware, software & assessories. You people are in a phantasy world if you think the average Nintendo, Sony or Microsoft gamers is just going to up and leave something they have invested so much in. Do you sell your good running car because a new model comes out? Most people don't. Brand Loyality it strong and getting stronger. call em fanboys call em what ever you want to call them. The same could be said about Apple, Google & Microsoft....or Sprint, ATT & Verizon. Some people jump ship but most people WONT.

Coolyfett

So what happens to your Xbox live account you will never touch it again in your life? yes or no?