Would you say MGS4 is a system seller? For the PS3

[QUOTE="Javy03"]Number one, I am not a cow, number two if 3% equals 4 million sold then yes its a big selling game. It sold more then the third highest Xbox game, which is the only to non halo game, SC. My point is you can hide any games success by using its large fanbase and % as an excuse. The PS2 had a ton of games and huge variety. It didnt need to have a game with 33% of its console fanbase buying it like Halo and SSB. LosDaddie

NOt a cow...:lol: Keep saying that to yourself, bud.

Try to stay on topic rather than defend the PS3.

The question at hand is MGS4 a systemseller. I don't believe it is a system seller to casuals. MGS3's sales alone, IMO, prove that.

All you have is excuses.

Actually no I have numbers. All you have is your opinion. As you continue to call other people fanboys you ignore your own bias. I stayed on topic and nowhere in my paragraph did I mention the PS3, somebody is a little sensitive. You dismissed the MGS series as a non system seller because it only sold 4 million out of the 110 million userbase the PS2 had. I explained to you that if you use that logic, then the PS2 had NO system seller seeing as its highest selling game only got 12% of its fanbase.

As for casual and hardcore, those are extremes. People like you actually believe that most gamers are either one or the other. The truth is most gamers are somewhere in between. MGS3 did not have as much hype and advertising as the second one did and came out late in the PS2s life with lots of competition. MGS4 is gonna come out during the beginning of the PS3s life cycle just like MGS 2 did and it is heavily advertised and hyped. Its trailers are popular to download, its the focus of various rumors, its popular and recognizable. I think it will sell well, and be a big reasons some gamers pick up a PS3.

Well it depends, to this place a system seller is only Halo and SSB.

Then again Gears sold systems and didn't sell as much as those games....

[QUOTE="LosDaddie"]

[QUOTE="Javy03"]Number one, I am not a cow, number two if 3% equals 4 million sold then yes its a big selling game. It sold more then the third highest Xbox game, which is the only to non halo game, SC. My point is you can hide any games success by using its large fanbase and % as an excuse. The PS2 had a ton of games and huge variety. It didnt need to have a game with 33% of its console fanbase buying it like Halo and SSB. Verge_6

NOt a cow...:lol: Keep saying that to yourself, bud.

Try to stay on topic rather than defend the PS3.

The question at hand is MGS4 a systemseller. I don't believe it is a system seller to casuals. MGS3's sales alone, IMO, prove that.

All you have is excuses.

Not a cow my butt. Just look at Javy's posting history.

Actually no I have numbers. All you have is your opinion. As you continue to call other people fanboys you ignore your own bias. I stayed on topic and nowhere in my paragraph did I mention the PS3, somebody is a little sensitive. You dismissed the MGS series as a non system seller because it only sold 4 million out of the 110 million userbase the PS2 had. I explained to you that if you use that logic, then the PS2 had NO system seller seeing as its highest selling game only got 12% of its fanbase.Javy03

When have I ignored my bias? :lol:

If you stayed on topic, then you are talking about a "SYSTEM SELLER FOR THE PS3". So, explain to me....oh wise one.....how can you "STAY ON TOPIC" and not be talking about the PS3? :roll:

As for casual and hardcore, those are extremes. People like you actually believe that most gamers are either one or the other. The truth is most gamers are somewhere in between. MGS3 did not have as much hype and advertising as the second one did and came out late in the PS2s life with lots of competition. MGS4 is gonna come out during the beginning of the PS3s life cycle just like MGS 2 did and it is heavily advertised and hyped. Its trailers are popular to download, its the focus of various rumors, its popular and recognizable. I think it will sell well, and be a big reasons some gamers pick up a PS3.

Javy03

More excuses.

MGS3 coming out late in the PS2's life to less sales than MGS2 only shows the weakness of the franchise. Halo2 had no problem selling more than Halo when it came out late in the Xbox's life.

[QUOTE="Verge_6"][QUOTE="LosDaddie"]

[QUOTE="Javy03"]Number one, I am not a cow, number two if 3% equals 4 million sold then yes its a big selling game. It sold more then the third highest Xbox game, which is the only to non halo game, SC. My point is you can hide any games success by using its large fanbase and % as an excuse. The PS2 had a ton of games and huge variety. It didnt need to have a game with 33% of its console fanbase buying it like Halo and SSB. Verge_6

NOt a cow...:lol: Keep saying that to yourself, bud.

Try to stay on topic rather than defend the PS3.

The question at hand is MGS4 a systemseller. I don't believe it is a system seller to casuals. MGS3's sales alone, IMO, prove that.

All you have is excuses.

Not a cow my butt. Just look at Javy's posting history.

cow is a fanboy, I am far from a fanboy.

[QUOTE="Verge_6"][QUOTE="Verge_6"][QUOTE="LosDaddie"]

[QUOTE="Javy03"]Number one, I am not a cow, number two if 3% equals 4 million sold then yes its a big selling game. It sold more then the third highest Xbox game, which is the only to non halo game, SC. My point is you can hide any games success by using its large fanbase and % as an excuse. The PS2 had a ton of games and huge variety. It didnt need to have a game with 33% of its console fanbase buying it like Halo and SSB. Javy03

NOt a cow...:lol: Keep saying that to yourself, bud.

Try to stay on topic rather than defend the PS3.

The question at hand is MGS4 a systemseller. I don't believe it is a system seller to casuals. MGS3's sales alone, IMO, prove that.

All you have is excuses.

Not a cow my butt. Just look at Javy's posting history.

cow is a fanboy, I am far from a fanboy.

Your posting history says otherwise

[QUOTE="Javy03"][QUOTE="Verge_6"][QUOTE="Verge_6"][QUOTE="LosDaddie"]

[QUOTE="Javy03"]Number one, I am not a cow, number two if 3% equals 4 million sold then yes its a big selling game. It sold more then the third highest Xbox game, which is the only to non halo game, SC. My point is you can hide any games success by using its large fanbase and % as an excuse. The PS2 had a ton of games and huge variety. It didnt need to have a game with 33% of its console fanbase buying it like Halo and SSB. Verge_6

NOt a cow...:lol: Keep saying that to yourself, bud.

Try to stay on topic rather than defend the PS3.

The question at hand is MGS4 a systemseller. I don't believe it is a system seller to casuals. MGS3's sales alone, IMO, prove that.

All you have is excuses.

Not a cow my butt. Just look at Javy's posting history.

cow is a fanboy, I am far from a fanboy.

Your posting history says otherwise

Maybe in your opinion. I am far from a fanboy, just because I prefer one doesnt mean my mind is closed. I dont condemn other consoles, or bash its fans. I do my best to make logical arguements but I guess in SW wars, everyone has to be on one side or the other.

[QUOTE="Javy03"]

Actually no I have numbers. All you have is your opinion. As you continue to call other people fanboys you ignore your own bias. I stayed on topic and nowhere in my paragraph did I mention the PS3, somebody is a little sensitive. You dismissed the MGS series as a non system seller because it only sold 4 million out of the 110 million userbase the PS2 had. I explained to you that if you use that logic, then the PS2 had NO system seller seeing as its highest selling game only got 12% of its fanbase.LosDaddie

When have I ignored my bias? :lol:

If you stayed on topic, then you are talking about a "SYSTEM SELLER FOR THE PS3". So, explain to me....oh wise one.....how can you "STAY ON TOPIC" and not be talking about the PS3? :roll:

As for casual and hardcore, those are extremes. People like you actually believe that most gamers are either one or the other. The truth is most gamers are somewhere in between. MGS3 did not have as much hype and advertising as the second one did and came out late in the PS2s life with lots of competition. MGS4 is gonna come out during the beginning of the PS3s life cycle just like MGS 2 did and it is heavily advertised and hyped. Its trailers are popular to download, its the focus of various rumors, its popular and recognizable. I think it will sell well, and be a big reasons some gamers pick up a PS3.

Javy03

More excuses.

MGS3 coming out late in the PS2's life to less sales than MGS2 only shows the weakness of the franchise. Halo2 had no problem selling more than Halo when it came out late in the Xbox's life.

This topic is on MGS4 capability to sell consoles. The PS3 is not the centerpiece of the arguement, MGS4s appeal and fanbase is. Thats how I stay on topic by talking about MGS, while all you did was bash me and call me a fanboy rather then argue.

As for Halo 2 arguement please. Think about what your saying. Halo 1 and 2 were pretty much the ONLY games to sell very well on the Xbox. After their 8 million sold the third highest selling game falls all the way down to 2.4 million sold which is SC. MGS3 came out with alot of competition and sold very well. MGS2 came out with little competition and got to get a larger chunk of the fanbase. MGS4 is also coming out early in the PS3s life cycle with less competition. I am very confident it will sell well.

Is it a system seller? Well consider that every time a story saying MGS4 is coming to 360 pops up its posted on here non stop to the degree that mods have actually made it agains the rules to post about the rumor anymore then I'd say yes. MGS has a huge fan base as this shows. CyanX73

I agree.

This topic is on MGS4 capability to sell consoles. The PS3 is not the centerpiece of the arguement, MGS4s appeal and fanbase is. Thats how I stay on topic by talking about MGS, while all you did was bash me and call me a fanboy rather then argue.

As for Halo 2 arguement please. Think about what your saying. Halo 1 and 2 were pretty much the ONLY games to sell very well on the Xbox. After their 8 million sold the third highest selling game falls all the way down to 2.4 million sold which is SC. MGS3 came out with alot of competition and sold very well. MGS2 came out with little competition and got to get a larger chunk of the fanbase. MGS4 is also coming out early in the PS3s life cycle with less competition. I am very confident it will sell well.

Javy03

[QUOTE="CyanX73"]Is it a system seller? Well consider that every time a story saying MGS4 is coming to 360 pops up its posted on here non stop to the degree that mods have actually made it agains the rules to post about the rumor anymore then I'd say yes. MGS has a huge fan base as this shows. Javy03

I agree.

[QUOTE="Javy03"]

[QUOTE="CyanX73"]Is it a system seller? Well consider that every time a story saying MGS4 is coming to 360 pops up its posted on here non stop to the degree that mods have actually made it agains the rules to post about the rumor anymore then I'd say yes. MGS has a huge fan base as this shows. HuusAsking

I agree.

I dunno. Maybe people didn't see the series capable of doing anything more on the current format-PS2. People are curious what they'll do with a next gen console. That's just my opinion though. Just saying, the rumor stories on N4G about MGS coming to 360 get a lot of hits. I think a lot of 360 owners had a PS2 and enjoyed MGS. Some of them are probably hoping the series doesn't stay exclusive so they won't have to plunk down 600 plus bucks for a PS3. Again, just my opinion.

This topic is on MGS4 capability to sell consoles. The PS3 is not the centerpiece of the arguement, MGS4s appeal and fanbase is. Thats how I stay on topic by talking about MGS, while all you did was bash me and call me a fanboy rather then argue.Javy03

The PS3 is part of the argument though. Not just MGS's appeal.

As for Halo 2 arguement please. Think about what your saying. Halo 1 and 2 were pretty much the ONLY games to sell very well on the Xbox. After their 8 million sold the third highest selling game falls all the way down to 2.4 million sold which is SC. MGS3 came out with alot of competition and sold very well. MGS2 came out with little competition and got to get a larger chunk of the fanbase. MGS4 is also coming out early in the PS3s life cycle with less competition. I am very confident it will sell well.

Javy03

The problem with your logic is that you consider MGS3 "selling well" with a 3% attach rate. With that logic, then plenty of Xbox games were successful.

MGS3's sales only prove the weakness of the franchise. I do agree MGS4 will sell well...around 2million by Q4 08 is my guess. However, I have my doubts about it appealing to the casual gamer.

Halo2 was a perfect example, especially since we're discussing "system sellers". Cows, like you, just hate it when H2's success is brought up.

[QUOTE="Javy03"]

This topic is on MGS4 capability to sell consoles. The PS3 is not the centerpiece of the arguement, MGS4s appeal and fanbase is. Thats how I stay on topic by talking about MGS, while all you did was bash me and call me a fanboy rather then argue.LosDaddie

The PS3 is part of the argument though. Not just MGS's appeal.

As for Halo 2 arguement please. Think about what your saying. Halo 1 and 2 were pretty much the ONLY games to sell very well on the Xbox. After their 8 million sold the third highest selling game falls all the way down to 2.4 million sold which is SC. MGS3 came out with alot of competition and sold very well. MGS2 came out with little competition and got to get a larger chunk of the fanbase. MGS4 is also coming out early in the PS3s life cycle with less competition. I am very confident it will sell well.

Javy03

The problem with your logic is that you consider MGS3 "selling well" with a 3% attach rate. With that logic, then plenty of Xbox games were successful.

MGS3's sales only prove the weakness of the franchise. I do agree MGS4 will sell well...around 2million by Q4 08 is my guess. However, I have my doubts about it appealing to the casual gamer.

Halo2 was a perfect example, especially since we're discussing "system sellers". Cows, like you, just hate it when H2's success is brought up.

The PS3 is part, not the main arguement and me nor you have mentioned the PS3, only argued about MGS fanbase and appeal.

I could care less about H2s success. It was the only success for MS last gen. It doesnt bother me what other people like to play unlike you. As for attach rate, that is misleading. Just because a game sells 3% on the Xbox and 3% on the PS2 doesnt mean they are close in sales. So I guess the PS2 in your opinion has no system sellers since its top game has a 12% attach rate and is a multiplat. Gee I wonder how the PS2 could have sold so many systems, could it be variety. The PS2 had variety and and didnt depend on one franchise but when looking at the top selling PS2 games the MGS franchise is there and is hard to ignore.

[QUOTE="LosDaddie"][QUOTE="Javy03"]

This topic is on MGS4 capability to sell consoles. The PS3 is not the centerpiece of the arguement, MGS4s appeal and fanbase is. Thats how I stay on topic by talking about MGS, while all you did was bash me and call me a fanboy rather then argue.Javy03

The PS3 is part of the argument though. Not just MGS's appeal.

As for Halo 2 arguement please. Think about what your saying. Halo 1 and 2 were pretty much the ONLY games to sell very well on the Xbox. After their 8 million sold the third highest selling game falls all the way down to 2.4 million sold which is SC. MGS3 came out with alot of competition and sold very well. MGS2 came out with little competition and got to get a larger chunk of the fanbase. MGS4 is also coming out early in the PS3s life cycle with less competition. I am very confident it will sell well.

Javy03

The problem with your logic is that you consider MGS3 "selling well" with a 3% attach rate. With that logic, then plenty of Xbox games were successful.

MGS3's sales only prove the weakness of the franchise. I do agree MGS4 will sell well...around 2million by Q4 08 is my guess. However, I have my doubts about it appealing to the casual gamer.

Halo2 was a perfect example, especially since we're discussing "system sellers". Cows, like you, just hate it when H2's success is brought up.

The PS3 is part, not the main arguement and me nor you have mentioned the PS3, only argued about MGS fanbase and appeal.

I could care less about H2s success. It was the only success for MS last gen. It doesnt bother me what other people like to play unlike you. As for attach rate, that is misleading. Just because a game sells 3% on the Xbox and 3% on the PS2 doesnt mean they are close in sales. So I guess the PS2 in your opinion has no system sellers since its top game has a 12% attach rate and is a multiplat. Gee I wonder how the PS2 could have sold so many systems, could it be variety. The PS2 had variety and and didnt depend on one franchise but when looking at the top selling PS2 games the MGS franchise is there and is hard to ignore.

System Seller for Hardcore GAmers? Yes

System Seller forCasual GAmers? No - Just look at MGS3's worldwide sales....pathetic for a system with a 110+mil userbase

LosDaddie

Just because 110+million consoles has been sold doesn't mean everybody are into the same type of games. The PS2 was the console with the most type of games for everybody, but it doesn't mean everybody likes stealth/shooter games...

[QUOTE="Javy03"]

no PS2 game had a huge attach rate. Nothing even got close to 20%. That doesnt mean their sales are bad, it just means people had choices. When MGS2 came out there were few PS2 games available and it had a ton of hype. MGS3 came out near the end of the PS2 lifecycle and had stiff competition.

LosDaddie

More excuses! :lol:

MGS3 had less sales than MGS2. That means the franchise has lost some of it's fanbase and yet cows think MGS4 is a system seller for casual gamers? :lol:

Gran Turismo 3 sold 14+ million copies, and that was before the PS3 had 30 million owners.
Gran Turismo 4 only sold 6 million, alot less but why do you think that change happened?


Metal Gear Solid 4 is a system seller for the same reasons as MGS2 and GT3. Its coming out when there aren't many strong titles released for the console, its a world renowed franchise, and its highly hyped. Not only that even sony is making efforts for this game to be the must have for all PS3 owners.

No excuses man, its just common knowledge.

The Best Franchise of all time how could it not be a system seller along with Halo and zelda

I think the poor gameplay of the MGS series and the lengthy cutscenes have rendered this game nothing more than an oddity attractive only to hardcore fanboys of the series. Hopefully they made the gameplay a lot smoother and more fun to play. It may sell a few systems. A few...JiveT

IYO. ^^^^^^^^^^^

[QUOTE="Javy03"][QUOTE="LosDaddie"][QUOTE="Javy03"]

This topic is on MGS4 capability to sell consoles. The PS3 is not the centerpiece of the arguement, MGS4s appeal and fanbase is. Thats how I stay on topic by talking about MGS, while all you did was bash me and call me a fanboy rather then argue.HuusAsking

The PS3 is part of the argument though. Not just MGS's appeal.

As for Halo 2 arguement please. Think about what your saying. Halo 1 and 2 were pretty much the ONLY games to sell very well on the Xbox. After their 8 million sold the third highest selling game falls all the way down to 2.4 million sold which is SC. MGS3 came out with alot of competition and sold very well. MGS2 came out with little competition and got to get a larger chunk of the fanbase. MGS4 is also coming out early in the PS3s life cycle with less competition. I am very confident it will sell well.

Javy03

The problem with your logic is that you consider MGS3 "selling well" with a 3% attach rate. With that logic, then plenty of Xbox games were successful.

MGS3's sales only prove the weakness of the franchise. I do agree MGS4 will sell well...around 2million by Q4 08 is my guess. However, I have my doubts about it appealing to the casual gamer.

Halo2 was a perfect example, especially since we're discussing "system sellers". Cows, like you, just hate it when H2's success is brought up.

The PS3 is part, not the main arguement and me nor you have mentioned the PS3, only argued about MGS fanbase and appeal.

I could care less about H2s success. It was the only success for MS last gen. It doesnt bother me what other people like to play unlike you. As for attach rate, that is misleading. Just because a game sells 3% on the Xbox and 3% on the PS2 doesnt mean they are close in sales. So I guess the PS2 in your opinion has no system sellers since its top game has a 12% attach rate and is a multiplat. Gee I wonder how the PS2 could have sold so many systems, could it be variety. The PS2 had variety and and didnt depend on one franchise but when looking at the top selling PS2 games the MGS franchise is there and is hard to ignore.

umm no, the Xbox was second close to the third GC out of only three systems. MGS2 was a top selling game out of THOUSANDS of PS2 titles. Not the same.

[QUOTE="HuusAsking"][QUOTE="Javy03"][QUOTE="LosDaddie"][QUOTE="Javy03"]

This topic is on MGS4 capability to sell consoles. The PS3 is not the centerpiece of the arguement, MGS4s appeal and fanbase is. Thats how I stay on topic by talking about MGS, while all you did was bash me and call me a fanboy rather then argue.Javy03

The PS3 is part of the argument though. Not just MGS's appeal.

As for Halo 2 arguement please. Think about what your saying. Halo 1 and 2 were pretty much the ONLY games to sell very well on the Xbox. After their 8 million sold the third highest selling game falls all the way down to 2.4 million sold which is SC. MGS3 came out with alot of competition and sold very well. MGS2 came out with little competition and got to get a larger chunk of the fanbase. MGS4 is also coming out early in the PS3s life cycle with less competition. I am very confident it will sell well.

Javy03

The problem with your logic is that you consider MGS3 "selling well" with a 3% attach rate. With that logic, then plenty of Xbox games were successful.

MGS3's sales only prove the weakness of the franchise. I do agree MGS4 will sell well...around 2million by Q4 08 is my guess. However, I have my doubts about it appealing to the casual gamer.

Halo2 was a perfect example, especially since we're discussing "system sellers". Cows, like you, just hate it when H2's success is brought up.

The PS3 is part, not the main arguement and me nor you have mentioned the PS3, only argued about MGS fanbase and appeal.

I could care less about H2s success. It was the only success for MS last gen. It doesnt bother me what other people like to play unlike you. As for attach rate, that is misleading. Just because a game sells 3% on the Xbox and 3% on the PS2 doesnt mean they are close in sales. So I guess the PS2 in your opinion has no system sellers since its top game has a 12% attach rate and is a multiplat. Gee I wonder how the PS2 could have sold so many systems, could it be variety. The PS2 had variety and and didnt depend on one franchise but when looking at the top selling PS2 games the MGS franchise is there and is hard to ignore.

umm no, the Xbox was second close to the third GC out of only three systems. MGS2 was a top selling game out of THOUSANDS of PS2 titles. Not the same.

I think a price cut would help the PS3 infinitely more than any game would.D0013ER

The Best Franchise of all time how could it not be a system seller along with Halo and zelda

AgentA-Mi6

[QUOTE="D0013ER"]I think a price cut would help the PS3 infinitely more than any game would.SergeantSnitch

I bought my PS3 for MGS... so yeah.. I guess its a systemseller...GXR

I wouldn't consider Metroid Prime 3 a system seller, though I bought my Wii for it.

[QUOTE="SergeantSnitch"][QUOTE="D0013ER"]I think a price cut would help the PS3 infinitely more than any game would.HuusAsking

[QUOTE="HuusAsking"][QUOTE="SergeantSnitch"][QUOTE="D0013ER"]I think a price cut would help the PS3 infinitely more than any game would.SergeantSnitch

Asfor Sony electronics in general, they're in the unhappy middle. Cheapskates won't go for Sony because they're too expensive, but true video- and audiophiles won't put Sony in the same league as the real big boys like H-K, Infinity, and Pioneer.

The last MGS game sold around 3 million worldwide with an install base of over 70 million. How much can it sell with an install base of less than 10 million? Do the math.....

Many people don't know that the PS3 did not take off untill the price got low. How much do you really expect a $600 system to sell?

[QUOTE="AgentA-Mi6"]

The Best Franchise of all time how could it not be a system seller along with Halo and zelda

HuusAsking

He said best. Not most Rehashed. :(

Because really it's all the console has going for it up until March 2008 or Late 2007.

And pretty much everywhere this game will "move PS3 units". Generally.

I have a PS3 already but I don't really care about any other game besides MGS4.

SpecialForcesOp

I think its a system seller. But that game comes out.....what...a year from now? So cows have to wait damn near 2 years to get that killer title? What the hell were the devs doing in 05 and 06?! Oh yea, they got the dev kits a week before the PS3 launched... :shock:

[QUOTE="HuusAsking"][QUOTE="SergeantSnitch"][QUOTE="D0013ER"]I think a price cut would help the PS3 infinitely more than any game would.SergeantSnitch

when has sony EVER reduced their console's price by $150-$200 in a year?

hint: never.

and that was using faaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaar cheaper hardware than what's in the ps3..

please join reality...;)

the fact sony got sued for the ps2's shoddy workmanship, does this mean we got what we paid for, too?

[QUOTE="SpecialForcesOp"]

Because really it's all the console has going for it up until March 2008 or Late 2007.

And pretty much everywhere this game will "move PS3 units". Generally.

I have a PS3 already but I don't really care about any other game besides MGS4.

Magical_Zebra

I think its a system seller. But that game comes out.....what...a year from now? So cows have to wait damn near 2 years to get that killer title? What the hell were the devs doing in 05 and 06?! Oh yea, they got the dev kits a week before the PS3 launched... :shock:

No no no...... Unless Kojima saids other wise it's slated towards Nov 2007. About 5 months from now..... :(

at the latest March 2008. End of the Fiscal Year for Konami. but yeah Damn..... that is like 9 months from now..... ****:(

[QUOTE="Magical_Zebra"][QUOTE="SpecialForcesOp"]

Because really it's all the console has going for it up until March 2008 or Late 2007.

And pretty much everywhere this game will "move PS3 units". Generally.

I have a PS3 already but I don't really care about any other game besides MGS4.

SpecialForcesOp

I think its a system seller. But that game comes out.....what...a year from now? So cows have to wait damn near 2 years to get that killer title? What the hell were the devs doing in 05 and 06?! Oh yea, they got the dev kits a week before the PS3 launched... :shock:

No no no...... Unless Kojima saids other wise it's slated towards Nov 2007. About 5 months from now..... :(

at the latest March 2008. End of the Fiscal Year for Konami. but yeah Damn..... that is like 9 months from now..... ****:(

How soon we forget. Remember when the PS3 was supposed to be released last spring? Was released in November.

Remember those 2 million consoles that were suppose to ship in November? 400,000 ring a bell?

You guys havent learned yet from listening to Sony. Its no way in hell this game is being released this year.... :shock:

[QUOTE="GXR"]I bought my PS3 for MGS... so yeah.. I guess its a systemseller...Jandurin

I wouldn't consider Metroid Prime 3 a system seller, though I bought my Wii for it.

You are right,sir.

I wouldnt consider Metroid prime a system seller at all...

I got my Wii for Zelda and Mario... IMO,Metroid prime killed the franchise..

I could care less about H2s success. It was the only success for MS last gen.Javy03

Man, cows are so funny! :lol:

The Xbox's success is being witnessed now with the Xbox360: Industry-leading attach rate, 5+million XBL subscribers, Out-selling the PS3, Devs making once-PS exclusive for the x360.

But go ahead and stick your head in the sand and ignore all those. You seem very good at that.:)

It doesnt bother me what other people like to play unlike you. Javy03

People playing games bother me? :lol: Is that the best argument you could come up with? :lol: FYI: I own all 3 consoles.

So I guess the PS2 in your opinion has no system sellers since its top game has a 12% attach rate and is a multiplat. Gee I wonder how the PS2 could have sold so many systems, could it be variety.Javy03

Yup, IMO, very few games are "system sellers". I already agreed that MGS4 will be a system seller to the hardcore audience. If the MGS franchise appealed to the casual audience, then MGS3 would've sold more than MGS2.

The PS2 had variety and and didnt depend on one franchise but when looking at the top selling PS2 games the MGS franchise is there and is hard to ignore.

Javy03

It's also hard to ignore the fact that MGS3 sold less than MGS2. A true system seller doesn't lose part of its audience. It gains more fans as time goes on. Halo2 is a perfect example of this.

[QUOTE="SpecialForcesOp"][QUOTE="Magical_Zebra"][QUOTE="SpecialForcesOp"]

Because really it's all the console has going for it up until March 2008 or Late 2007.

And pretty much everywhere this game will "move PS3 units". Generally.

I have a PS3 already but I don't really care about any other game besides MGS4.

Magical_Zebra

I think its a system seller. But that game comes out.....what...a year from now? So cows have to wait damn near 2 years to get that killer title? What the hell were the devs doing in 05 and 06?! Oh yea, they got the dev kits a week before the PS3 launched... :shock:

No no no...... Unless Kojima saids other wise it's slated towards Nov 2007. About 5 months from now..... :(

at the latest March 2008. End of the Fiscal Year for Konami. but yeah Damn..... that is like 9 months from now..... ****:(

How soon we forget. Remember when the PS3 was supposed to be released last spring? Was released in November.

Remember those 2 million consoles that were suppose to ship in November? 400,000 ring a bell?

You guys havent learned yet from listening to Sony. Its no way in hell this game is being released this year.... :shock:

So Sony is Konami now??? You cant plug those two things together, Konami makes MGS4, it it gets delayed its Konamis fault. Sony didnt release any release date for it, Konami did. Stop being such a fanboy. You act as if no 360 games got delayed, like maybe Mass Effect and Halo 3 even though Bill Gates wailed that the PS3 would launch with Halo 3 waiting to meet it. Sony and MS dont determine when 3rd parties releases their games.

Gran Turismo 3 sold 14+ million copies, and that was before the PS3 had 30 million owners.
Gran Turismo 4 only sold 6 million, alot less but why do you think that change happened?Adrian_Cloud

That's easy: Unlike GT3, GT4 wasn't bundled with the PS2. My college roommate bought a GT3 bundle.

Metal Gear Solid 4 is a system seller for the same reasons as MGS2 and GT3. Its coming out when there aren't many strong titles released for the console, its a world renowed franchise, and its highly hyped. Not only that even sony is making efforts for this game to be the must have for all PS3 owners.

No excuses man, its just common knowledge.

Adrian_Cloud

yeah, I already agreed MGS4 is a system seller for the hardcore gamer, who is exactly the type of gamer that spends $600 on a console.

thanks for agreeing with me.:)

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I could care less about H2s success. It was the only success for MS last gen.LosDaddie

Man, cows are so funny! :lol:

The Xbox's success is being witnessed now with the Xbox360: Industry-leading attach rate, 5+million XBL subscribers, Out-selling the PS3, Devs making once-PS exclusive for the x360.

But go ahead and stick your head in the sand and ignore all those. You seem very good at that.:)

It doesnt bother me what other people like to play unlike you. Javy03

People playing games bother me? :lol: Is that the best argument you could come up with? :lol: FYI: I own all 3 consoles.

So I guess the PS2 in your opinion has no system sellers since its top game has a 12% attach rate and is a multiplat. Gee I wonder how the PS2 could have sold so many systems, could it be variety.Javy03

Yup, IMO, very few games are "system sellers". I already agreed that MGS4 will be a system seller to the hardcore audience. If the MGS franchise appealed to the casual audience, then MGS3 would've sold more than MGS2.

The PS2 had variety and and didnt depend on one franchise but when looking at the top selling PS2 games the MGS franchise is there and is hard to ignore.

Javy03

It's also hard to ignore the fact that MGS3 sold less than MGS2. A true system seller doesn't lose part of its audience. It gains more fans as time goes on. Halo2 is a perfect example of this.

LOL...are you kidding, both PS and MS have lost and gained exclusives. Games like NG and others that never graced a PS system are now coming to the PS3 just like the 360 getting DMC4,and AC. Its far from a one way street. As for the attach rateofLive, that counts the free silver account which dont allow for online play. Far from a bragable thing.

I could care less if you own three consoles, all you seem to do is cryabout how flawed and weak the PS3 is. I dont own all three but I dont go around bashing either.

Halo 2 isfar from a perfect example. It was the only bright spot and a lacking console. It is also only the second game for the franchise while MGS was on its 3.

I never said Halo is not a system seller but you definition of system seller is very limited andgoing by your opinion the PS2 had none.

The comments of cows riddle me with laughter!! :lol:

LOL...are you kidding, both PS and MS have lost and gained exclusives. Games like NG and others that never graced a PS system are now coming to the PS3 just like the 360 getting DMC4,and AC. Its far from a one way street. As for the attach rateofLive, that counts the free silver account which dont allow for online play. Far from a bragable thing. Javy03

So a last gen port (NGS) is the only example you could think of? :lol: Face the facts for once in your life, the x360 has "stolen" far more once-PS exclusives. GTA IV on the x360 on day one will probably end up being the most significant one.

Better hold your teddy bear tight during E3 07, a few more PS-exclusive might be headed to the x360.

I could care less if you own three consoles, all you seem to do is cryabout how flawed and weak the PS3 is. I dont own all three but I dont go around bashing either. Javy03

That's funny. All I see from you is anti-x360 posts. But go ahead and stick your head in the sand again and deny that. You're really good at that.

FYI: I post in the PS3 forum here. It's just that I'm having fun while in SW. I'm sorry tp hear you take this place so serious. Sounds like you could use a break.

Halo 2 isfar from a perfect example. It was the only bright spot and a lacking console. It is also only the second game for the franchise while MGS was on its 3.

I never said Halo is not a system seller but you definition of system seller is very limited andgoing by your opinion the PS2 had none.

Javy03

MGS3 was also the 2nd MGS on the PS2. Again, cows like yourself, just hate it when H2's success is brought up. Cows will deny (or in your case: Stick your head in the sand) anything that has to do with H2.

Halo2 was the perfect example.

The comments of cows riddle me with laughter!! :lol:

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LOL...are you kidding, both PS and MS have lost and gained exclusives. Games like NG and others that never graced a PS system are now coming to the PS3 just like the 360 getting DMC4,and AC. Its far from a one way street. As for the attach rateofLive, that counts the free silver account which dont allow for online play. Far from a bragable thing. LosDaddie

So a last gen port (NGS) is the only example you could think of? :lol: Face the facts for once in your life, the x360 has "stolen" far more once-PS exclusives. GTA IV on the x360 on day one will probably end up being the most significant one.

Better hold your teddy bear tight during E3 07, a few more PS-exclusive might be headed to the x360.

I could care less if you own three consoles, all you seem to do is cryabout how flawed and weak the PS3 is. I dont own all three but I dont go around bashing either. Javy03

That's funny. All I see from you is anti-x360 posts. But go ahead and stick your head in the sand again and deny that. You're really good at that.

FYI: I post in the PS3 forum here. It's just that I'm having fun while in SW. I'm sorry tp hear you take this place so serious. Sounds like you could use a break.

Halo 2 isfar from a perfect example. It was the only bright spot and a lacking console. It is also only the second game for the franchise while MGS was on its 3.

I never said Halo is not a system seller but you definition of system seller is very limited andgoing by your opinion the PS2 had none.

Javy03

MGS3 was also the 2nd MGS on the PS2. Again, cows like yourself, just hate it when H2's success is brought up. Cows will deny (or in your case: Stick your head in the sand) anything that has to do with H2.

Halo2 was the perfect example.

LOL..GTAs timed exclusive is your biggest one. If you depending on that one I feel bad for you. MGS3 was the third of the solid franchise, while Halo is only the second.

FYI: I am sure some people think acting like a fanboy is fun, not me. i prefer to not be close minded.