Wow 360 owners have to pay rent for their games?

[QUOTE="meatgrinderz"]

interesting that everyone in this thread who has both consoles has said they don't mind paying for xbox live because it's so much better than psn. just something to ponder.

slvrraven9

I don't agree....but I have the feeling im outnumbered on the subject here

[QUOTE="kuraimen"][QUOTE="The_Game21x"] And what of single player games? Am I paying to rent those too? :roll:slvrraven9

[QUOTE="lazerface216"]

[QUOTE="iMojo786_PSN"] why say "buddy" like that? was their a gay intention their? please stop following me on this board.

iMojo786_PSN

:lol: what the hell are you talking about?!? lol it was in reference to your mate comment and also your undying love for quotation marks.

...and i will surely follow you everywhere you go mate. i am forever in awe of your fanboyism and resilience on this forum. ;)

and i am at awe of your fanboyism too, not your sexual apeal sadly :(

touche my friend. honestly, it kind of weirds me out that "a gay intention" was the first thing that popped in your head though.

...and i'm no fanboy, i love my ps3.

[QUOTE="kuraimen"]

I was referring to the code of the game. The multiplayer portion of the game is software created by the developers of the game and it works using a online service which you pay to your internet service provider. Live charges you to allow you to use the online code of the game you paid for to the developers already and the online service which you paid for to your internet service provider. All those services you named are indeed Live services and it is ok if Microsoft wants to charge for them but they basically add the online play which makes it basically a rip off since you have no choice but to pay AGAIN for something you're already paying for.

People wonder why these threads are made so often but it is because people actually don't get it which I find amazing. It is a very basic concept.

[QUOTE="slipknot0129"]

[QUOTE="kuraimen"]

I was referring to the code of the game. The multiplayer portion of the game is software created by the developers of the game and it works using a online service which you pay to your internet service provider. Live charges you to allow you to use the online code of the game you paid for to the developers already and the online service which you paid for to your internet service provider. All those services you named are indeed Live services and it is ok if Microsoft wants to charge for them but they basically add the online play which makes it basically a rip off since you have no choice but to pay AGAIN for something you're already paying for.

People wonder why these threads are made so often but it is because people actually don't get it which I find amazing. It is a very basic concept.

kuraimen

i cant believe how much time i wasted reading this whole thread thinkin a mod was gona pop in and shut it down for turning into some sorta troll fight with flame cannon's +1Renzokucant

are you trying to say i'm a troll because i was arguing with a troll?

Wow, it feels like it's 2002 again.Ravensmash

seriously stupid threads like this about XBL should get closed

its been around for awhile now

if your too broke to cough up 40-50$ every 13 months its not for you i guess

[QUOTE="slvrraven9"][QUOTE="meatgrinderz"]

interesting that everyone in this thread who has both consoles has said they don't mind paying for xbox live because it's so much better than psn. just something to ponder.

I don't agree....but I have the feeling im outnumbered on the subject here

[QUOTE="cloudff7tm"]

[QUOTE="iMojo786_PSN"]

system wars.

iMojo786_PSN

You are probably a cow like this in real life also. lol

Yeah. Most likely.

If you can't afford $50 a year, then I don't think gaming is really for you.

[QUOTE="Renzokucant"]i cant believe how much time i wasted reading this whole thread thinkin a mod was gona pop in and shut it down for turning into some sorta troll fight with flame cannon's +1lazerface216

are you trying to say i'm a troll because i was arguing with a troll?

If you can't afford $50 a year, then I don't think gaming is really for you.

NoobletteToast

TC mad because people didn't want to concede to his cow logic where paying a yearly subscription = ''free'' games?:lol:

[QUOTE="NoobletteToast"]

If you can't afford $50 a year, then I don't think gaming is really for you.

johny300

Yeah, I can see where people are coming from. It's good that I don't have to worry about paying for online on my PS3 or PC (and Wii, even though I don't play online on it) but spending such a small amount of money for the year's service on the 360 just doesn't bother me. It's half a days work for me, and for those who are higher up in the food chain, it'd be an hours work or less. It's nothing.

As for whether it should cost money or not is another question. It shouldn't, in my opinion. The PC has superior online services for free, and PSN is pretty much the exact same as Live minus the party system. I don't think you should have to pay for it, but I don't care that much either way because $50 per year is nothing.

Is paying for XBL news and something you need to inform everyone about? Isn't this better suited to a blog or better yet just kept off the internet period.

You dont pay for the online part when buying a game.

slipknot0129

... What are you talking about? The Devs create the online content. They use it to justify the price of the game. :| You thought people were paying 60 bucks for 6 hour CoD singleplayer?

Online connectivity is a live service. They developers have to pay for their own servers and stuff but on xbox live they dont. If online connectivity was on the disc then you could play without xbox live but you cant.

You pay for online connectivity from your ISP. Live is a matchmaking service, not an internet provider. And what servers? Most games this gen are P2P. Your console (or someone's console you're playing with) acts as the server.

If you can't afford $50 a year, then I don't think gaming is really for you.

NoobletteToast

thats such a flawed statement. the argument against XBl is that psn and PC offer services of similar quality (well pc is miles ahead) for "free." in the pc and psn example people have to buy servers (usually clans whose members all chip in) or the developer has to buy the server and both of these things come at no extra cost to the consumer (except in a few PC cases, such as the guys who host their own servers, which isnt cheap) unlike xbl where people pay a high price for games and have to pay a 50$ to use a service that other companies/platforms offer for similar or better quality. its the principle of the matter, not money. btw i own an xbox and have gold and i would love to not have to use it, however i love ssf4 and halo too much to not pay for it.

[QUOTE="Chris_Williams"]

oh man, please stop justifying you buying a ps3, its getting old

lazerface216

^^THIS! mojo, seriously, go outside for a little bit...

Haha I know sometimes I think people feel like they win a Nobel Prize, Heisman Trophy, or Academy Award if they happen to own the system with the most AAA exclusives, or best online, or best graphics. Its not that big of an achievement get over it...

[QUOTE="johny300"][QUOTE="NoobletteToast"]

If you can't afford $50 a year, then I don't think gaming is really for you.

NoobletteToast

Yeah, I can see where people are coming from. It's good that I don't have to worry about paying for online on my PS3 or PC (and Wii, even though I don't play online on it) but spending such a small amount of money for the year's service on the 360 just doesn't bother me. It's half a days work for me, and for those who are higher up in the food chain, it'd be an hours work or less. It's nothing.

As for whether it should cost money or not is another question. It shouldn't, in my opinion. The PC has superior online services for free, and PSN is pretty much the exact same as Live minus the party system. I don't think you should have to pay for it, but I don't care that much either way because $50 per year is nothing.

So if it was $100 you would care? or $200? maybe $300?

What is your level of caring?

For me, getting riped off for $1 is the same as getting ripped off for $20,000.

Note: If you had XBLG from launch you may have paid up to and over $250. Something to think about.

[QUOTE="NoobletteToast"]

If you can't afford $50 a year, then I don't think gaming is really for you.

ironman388

thats such a flawed statement. the argument against XBl is that psn and PC offer services of similar quality (well pc is miles ahead) for "free." in the pc and psn example people have to buy servers (usually clans whose members all chip in) or the developer has to buy the server and both of these things come at no extra cost to the consumer (except in a few PC cases, such as the guys who host their own servers, which isnt cheap) unlike xbl where people pay a high price for games and have to pay a 50$ to use a service that other companies/platforms offer for similar or better quality. its the principle of the matter, not money. btw i own an xbox and have gold and i would love to not have to use it, however i love ssf4 and halo too much to not pay for it.

Read my more recent post. I agree that you're not getting what you pay for, but my point is that in the grand scheme of things, it's such an insignificant amount of money that I don't really care. I think it's like having a pack of 1 million gummy bears, and I have to lose 10 for whatever reason. It's barely anything.

[QUOTE="lazerface216"]

[QUOTE="iMojo786_PSN"] System Wars. i came for here for lazerface :)

iMojo786_PSN

lol i'm right here and i'm not going anywhere "buddy"...

Oh great my opinion of you is rising by the second: unnecessary irritable trolling homophobic

Threads like these should just be locked. Regardless of cow, lem, hermit, or sheep if the thread is made by a troll it really shouldn't stay open this long.

[QUOTE="NoobletteToast"]

[QUOTE="johny300"] People can pay but they don't want to lol.FragTycoon

Yeah, I can see where people are coming from. It's good that I don't have to worry about paying for online on my PS3 or PC (and Wii, even though I don't play online on it) but spending such a small amount of money for the year's service on the 360 just doesn't bother me. It's half a days work for me, and for those who are higher up in the food chain, it'd be an hours work or less. It's nothing.

As for whether it should cost money or not is another question. It shouldn't, in my opinion. The PC has superior online services for free, and PSN is pretty much the exact same as Live minus the party system. I don't think you should have to pay for it, but I don't care that much either way because $50 per year is nothing.

So if it was $100 you would care? or $200? maybe $300?

What is your level of caring?

For me, getting riped off for $1 is the same as getting ripped off for $20,000.

Note: If you had XBLG from launch you may have paid up to and over $250. Something to think about.

That may be true, but for someone who owns a 360 is it worth switching over buying a completely new system, the PS3, for a minimum of $300 then spending another $200-$300 on barely replenishing your library not to mention the cost of accessories that you may end up needing for the PS3...all in the name of free online.

[QUOTE="NoobletteToast"]

[QUOTE="johny300"] People can pay but they don't want to lol.FragTycoon

Yeah, I can see where people are coming from. It's good that I don't have to worry about paying for online on my PS3 or PC (and Wii, even though I don't play online on it) but spending such a small amount of money for the year's service on the 360 just doesn't bother me. It's half a days work for me, and for those who are higher up in the food chain, it'd be an hours work or less. It's nothing.

As for whether it should cost money or not is another question. It shouldn't, in my opinion. The PC has superior online services for free, and PSN is pretty much the exact same as Live minus the party system. I don't think you should have to pay for it, but I don't care that much either way because $50 per year is nothing.

So if it was $100 you would care? or $200? maybe $300?

What is your level of caring?

For me, getting riped off for $1 is the same as getting ripped off for $20,000.

Note: If you had XBLG from launch you may have paid up to and over $250. Something to think about.

That's exactly what I'm saying. I'd care if it was more money. The only way to play 360 online with others is for me to pay $50 a year. There's no way around that. Microsoft are making way too much money to stop it, so I may as well just slap down a $50 once a year and be done with it.

You must understand, I'm not justifying it. I pointed out earlier that the PC has superior online for free, and I think that Gold is essentially pretty poor value for money. What I'm saying is that I like being able to play my 360 online and paying 50 dollars annually is the only way to do it. I don't like it, but it's a small amount of money that isn't going to change my life.

As for being ripped off for $1 being the same as $20'000? I think you're talking crap to prove your argument. If you lose 1 dollar, it changes nothing. If you lost 20 grand, that would be a significant amount of your yearly salary that could set you back in debt payments or being able to afford groceries and bills.20 grand and 1 dollar are definitely not the same.

This is what XBL Gold is:

You just want to get to the middle (online). They try to put a bunch of useless features packed with online so if they ever have doubt they'll be like "but we have xxx features and crossgame chat".

I rarely used crossgame chat because when i played i was online playing competitive games like Tekken and it doesn't make sense to talk to someone else when they were playing another game. If i wanted to constantly talk i would just call a friend.

XBL gold is a rental service because with XBL silver has basic features but if you plan on playing online you have to get XBL gold and when you run out, the online features for all your games are gone.