Wow, GT5 is trully abysmal (under the one assumption)

Yesterday I saw a considerable chunk of a gameplay from Gran Turismo 5 presented by one of the Polish journalists on the Gamescom. Of course it was a specially prepared demo, but I was largely unimpressed. I don't know if this will be the core of the final version, but if it will, then it will be trully abysmal. The journalist have switched off all the assists, has set up the driving physics to the most professional level, etc. and still the friction against barriers was almost non-existent, the car still can bounce of the walls, blocks of tires, etc., and collisions between the vehicles haven't changed since GT 2/3, even maybe 1... If this will prevail in the full version, then it's not going to be even a contest for Forza Motorsport 3. On top of that, the presentation was also lacking, the trees were lacking anti-aliasing at all and looked horrible, not to mention they looked like a copy-paste affair.

The built cut for Gamescom was trully underwhelming and from my perspective, the future doesn't look too bright. And don't call me a fanboy, I have been growing up with Gran Turismo series, ever since the very first one on PS1, but I'm not blinded by a nostalgia. If these things will re-occur in the final build, then I'm really sorry for those who were hoping for a proper turn-around in the series. Personally, I don't want the newest Gran Turismo to end up like this, I was hoping for a strong competition. Oh, and by the way, does the idea of NASCAR races with 16 cars only seem appealing to you?

Yamauchi already said this was an older build can't find the link but someone posted in one of the other GT5 threads.CakeBalls

yeah im pretty sure i read this and that he said something along the lines this is only giving you a basic idea of what the damage does and in 1 vid im sure i seen mechanical damage as the car couldnt go past 4th gear.

But most likely the journalists want to look as good as possible.Im not passing judgement till i get my hands on a build of the game cause i tend to say something looks crap and it ends up being good a-la uncharted when i got my PS3 i was reluctant to take it in the deal..ended up being my favourite game i got with it.

Yamauchi already said this was an older build can't find the link but someone posted in one of the other GT5 threads.CakeBalls

The bumper cars, geez people, theres vids of fm3 doing the same things. Rail riding on each other around corners. Even a vid of Fm3 with a car going head on into a mountain at 80+ and no damage. Actually I'm still looking for a vid of fm3 that shows damage.

Remember the demo on stage at E3, the guy Tboned a car in fm3 and neither car flipped or nothing. But strangly enough I can't find that exact vid now on GS, only a portion of that vid is now on GS, not in its entirety. I mean atleast the one vid of GT5 the car door fell off and slide across the track :)

I read that other thread too, the link said gamescon was not final code, that thats not how the damage will be, everything else the TC said is a bit harsh and fanboyish

I heard that trying to simulate real life in a video game isn't yet possible. Anyone who thinks either game is, in any way, remotely close to driving an actual car round a track needs their head checked.

To argue which of the unrealistic 'sims' is less unrealistic than the other is pretty pointless. Which is most fun to play is the only valid question.

I read that other thread too, the link said gamescon was not final code, that thats not how the damage will be, everything else the TC said is a bit harsh and fanboyish

kate_jones

The bumper cars, geez people, theres vids of fm3 doing the same things. Rail riding on each other around corners. Even a vid of Fm3 with a car going head on into a mountain at 80+ and no damage. Actually I'm still looking for a vid of fm3 that shows damage.

Remember the demo on stage at E3, the guy Tboned a car in fm3 and neither car flipped or nothing. But strangly enough I can't find that exact vid now on GS, only a portion of that vid is now on GS, not in its entirety. I mean atleast the one vid of GT5 the car door fell off and slide across the track :)

GreyFoXX4

Thats because you can turn off damage on Forza 3 like in Forza 2. However, the amount of times in Forza 2 I have been racing along on the Nissan Speedway and I have grazed the wall slightly by going into a corner too quickly and slightly oversteering. You touch the wall and bam debris flies from your can, you spin round, you certainly cannot ride walls with damage on.

The same goes for that New York circuit, the amount of times, I have over estimated the first corner, started braking way too late and hit the barrier and wrecked the car. Sometimes I've been able to limp to the pits, other times its been a race restart.

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I read that other thread too, the link said gamescon was not final code, that thats not how the damage will be, everything else the TC said is a bit harsh and fanboyish

Salt_The_Fries

aside from it not having damage on all cars and no porsche it's on par or better than it's rivals. perhaps you don't like this genre

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I read that other thread too, the link said gamescon was not final code, that thats not how the damage will be, everything else the TC said is a bit harsh and fanboyish

kate_jones

aside from it not having damage on all cars and no porsche it's on par or better than it's rivals. perhaps you don't like this genre

Pardon my tone, but...are you for real?

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[QUOTE="Salt_The_Fries"] That's how it all appeared in this Gamescom built and video presenting it.Salt_The_Fries

aside from it not having damage on all cars and no porsche it's on par or better than it's rivals. perhaps you don't like this genre

Pardon my tone, but...are you for real?

yes, I like the genre, im excited about forza3 gt5 and shift, they all have there strengths and weaknesses, you can't seriously think what you posted wasn't blatant trolling. If you think these things about GT then I'd love to hear what you think about forza3 and shift

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aside from it not having damage on all cars and no porsche it's on par or better than it's rivals. perhaps you don't like this genre

kate_jones

Pardon my tone, but...are you for real?

yes, I like the genre, im excited about forza3 gt5 and shift, they all have there strengths and weaknesses, you can't seriously think what you posted wasn't blatant trolling. If you think these things about GT then I'd love to hear what you think about forza3 and shift

I didn't think it was trolling. He just said that from the video the game hasn't improved much since GT3, aside from graphics.

You should NOT be able to wall ride like that.

Never played Forza but from some of the posts here it seems you can't wall ride in it.

The good old pass judgement on a game you haven't played trick.

*Thumbs down*

GT sell's on name alone, were you expecting them to try with anything but the graphic's?

I read that other thread too, the link said gamescon was not final code, that thats not how the damage will be, everything else the TC said is a bit harsh and fanboyish

kate_jones

Polophony digital have become lazy developers, Since Gran turismo never really improves. They just make the game look great and thats about it.aero250

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I read that other thread too, the link said gamescon was not final code, that thats not how the damage will be, everything else the TC said is a bit harsh and fanboyish

killa4lyfe

Sony? Telling lies? That'll be the day....

and collisions between the vehicles haven't changed since GT 2/3, even maybe 1... Salt_the_fries

The bumper cars, geez people, theres vids of fm3 doing the same things. Rail riding on each other around corners. Even a vid of Fm3 with a car going head on into a mountain at 80+ and no damage. Actually I'm still looking for a vid of fm3 that shows damage.

Remember the demo on stage at E3, the guy Tboned a car in fm3 and neither car flipped or nothing. But strangly enough I can't find that exact vid now on GS, only a portion of that vid is now on GS, not in its entirety. I mean atleast the one vid of GT5 the car door fell off and slide across the track :)

GreyFoXX4

that vid had the damage minimum setting on :|

u have that option in forza :|

Polophony digital have become lazy developers, Since Gran turismo never really improves. They just make the game look great and thats about it.aero250

So putting years of effort into making a game look gorgeous is now considered lazy? You just contradicted yourself. If they were lazy the games would look the same and have little extra content. Gran Turismo 5 looks incredible, has a ton of modes including new ones and has over 1000 cars. Do you have any idea how long it takes to create a game of this scope? Comments like these are just ridiculous and an unfair insult to a great dev team.

I've realized why alot of people hate GT. It adheres to realism. Most people think of racing as it is in Need for Speed with nitro boosts, and crazy drifting at ever turn, decals on your car, cops on your ass but GT just keeps it simple. GT isnt trying to wow you with special effects or that rad paint job ,GT is a simulator. Polyphony is only concerned with getting the driving down perfectly. The whole GT situation is like Ace Combat buffs who buy flight simulator and call it crappy. You are playing the game for the wrong reasons.II_Seraphim_II

a simulator without damage on everycar. sweet!!! so realistic

[QUOTE="II_Seraphim_II"]I've realized why alot of people hate GT. It adheres to realism. Most people think of racing as it is in Need for Speed with nitro boosts, and crazy drifting at ever turn, decals on your car, cops on your ass but GT just keeps it simple. GT isnt trying to wow you with special effects or that rad paint job ,GT is a simulator. Polyphony is only concerned with getting the driving down perfectly. The whole GT situation is like Ace Combat buffs who buy flight simulator and call it crappy. You are playing the game for the wrong reasons.anshuk20002

a simulator without damage on everycar. sweet!!! so realistic

Not having damage on every car is due to restrictions made by car manufacturers, it cannot be helped.

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[QUOTE="II_Seraphim_II"]I've realized why alot of people hate GT. It adheres to realism. Most people think of racing as it is in Need for Speed with nitro boosts, and crazy drifting at ever turn, decals on your car, cops on your ass but GT just keeps it simple. GT isnt trying to wow you with special effects or that rad paint job ,GT is a simulator. Polyphony is only concerned with getting the driving down perfectly. The whole GT situation is like Ace Combat buffs who buy flight simulator and call it crappy. You are playing the game for the wrong reasons.Asim90

a simulator without damage on everycar. sweet!!! so realistic

Not having damage on every car is due to restrictions made by car manufacturers, it cannot be helped.

Polophony digital have become lazy developers, Since Gran turismo never really improves. They just make the game look great and thats about it.aero250

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[QUOTE="anshuk20002"]

a simulator without damage on everycar. sweet!!! so realistic

Ilikemyname420

Not having damage on every car is due to restrictions made by car manufacturers, it cannot be helped.

Maybe it has something do with the fact that Gran Turismo is played by a hell of a lot more people than Forza is.

I've realized why alot of people hate GT. It adheres to realism. Most people think of racing as it is in Need for Speed with nitro boosts, and crazy drifting at ever turn, decals on your car, cops on your ass but GT just keeps it simple. GT isnt trying to wow you with special effects or that rad paint job ,GT is a simulator. Polyphony is only concerned with getting the driving down perfectly. The whole GT situation is like Ace Combat buffs who buy flight simulator and call it crappy. You are playing the game for the wrong reasons.II_Seraphim_II

I've realized why alot of people hate GT. It adheres to realism. Most people think of racing as it is in Need for Speed with nitro boosts, and crazy drifting at ever turn, decals on your car, cops on your ass but GT just keeps it simple. GT isnt trying to wow you with special effects or that rad paint job ,GT is a simulator. Polyphony is only concerned with getting the driving down perfectly. The whole GT situation is like Ace Combat buffs who buy flight simulator and call it crappy. You are playing the game for the wrong reasons.II_Seraphim_II

What you say there better describes Forza games. They're the ones with 3 different temperature readings per tyre that accurately simulates the cars' contact with the road, the suspention and roll physics and not to forget touching a barrier and spinning out of control. I would say, more so, Forza games adhere to realism and is considered more of a simulator.

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Not having damage on every car is due to restrictions made by car manufacturers, it cannot be helped.

Asim90

Maybe it has something do with the fact that Gran Turismo is played by a hell of a lot more people than Forza is.

omg u are totally right!!! it has to be that reason totally :roll:

The bumper cars, geez people, theres vids of fm3 doing the same things. Rail riding on each other around corners. Even a vid of Fm3 with a car going head on into a mountain at 80+ and no damage. Actually I'm still looking for a vid of fm3 that shows damage.

Remember the demo on stage at E3, the guy Tboned a car in fm3 and neither car flipped or nothing. But strangly enough I can't find that exact vid now on GS, only a portion of that vid is now on GS, not in its entirety. I mean atleast the one vid of GT5 the car door fell off and slide across the track :)

GreyFoXX4

A. Forza has always had damage on all of it's cars and it's well known that you can set the damage to cosmetic.

B. It's already been said (and shown) that you can flip cars in Forza 3, so why wouldn't there be damage in the game? Lets just put aside the fact that there's been damage in every version of Forza previously.

Polophony digital have become lazy developers, Since Gran turismo never really improves. They just make the game look great and thats about it.aero250

That is an atrocious thing to say about any developer, how in green hell are they lazy when they have been working on GTPSP and GT5 you cant call that lazy especially when some of them literally sleep under their desks while developing which i would say IS FAR FROM LAZY.

Seriously i suggest looking up some information on Polyphony's work ethic and you can never call them lazy in any sense, maybe the team would rather focus on other aspects of the game over other ones which T10 tout.This does not make them lazy, its so despicable seeing someone say that especially with Polyphony's work ethic..

main thing gt needs to work on is the ai. its sad we are on ps3 and the cars still drive like ps2. if you infront on a car and there 20 mph faster instead of pulling out they hit the break WTF!!!. yea work on the ai then worry about damage

gt5p didn't have friends list support, chat or private matches, believe me, damage is the least of gt5's problems

The good old pass judgement on a game you haven't played trick.

*Thumbs down*

curtdoggLP5

Everyone seems to be ignoring the post that should've ended the thread.

I'm sorry about the horrible video quality, but I'm using my phone for itnernet connection and I can't find a decent video in a decent amount of time, but look at this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mn-zAs2S4EY

Costmetically GT5 destroys Forza in terms of damage, but internally it seems as if Forza takes the elad unless its true that those videos had damage at a minimum. So people please don't say the damage models in GT5 look worst and unimpressive. The damage models look fine. The only thing that looks bad is how they react to the damage. i couldn't careless about cosmetics though. I want cars to be totaled if hit hard enough.

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The good old pass judgement on a game you haven't played trick.

*Thumbs down*

ownage_denied

Everyone seems to be ignoring the post that should've ended the thread.

What? All of a sudden you can't have opinions about a game based on what you see prior to release? All games should be assumed equal until you personally play the final version from start to finish?

Bull****.

Besides for the name Gran Turismo and the game being exclusive I do not understand what is the big deal about GT5. GT5 only has damage on less then 20% of the cars and even then the damage does not seem to effect the cars to greatly. The car graphics do not blow the other car games away anymore.

Forza 3 has much better car part customization, Better A.I., more options in online, Forza also looks amazing, a few different levels of damage from none to simulation,nice new features such as car flipping and rewind, paint custization that can let you personalize your car to the point where your car look is only limited by your imgination and paint skill.

Here is a Hands of GT5 damage on from Kotaku-

It was a little perplexing.

Granted, developer Polyphony Digital may not have included full damage system in the Gamescom demo, as the preview version was extremely limited in scope. The amount of havoc we did manage to wreak on our ride didn't appear to affect the handling all that much. Everything seemed mostly cosmetic.

Here is the full article

Besides for the name Gran Turismo and the game being exclusive I do not understand what is the big deal about GT5. GT5 only has damage on less then 20% of the cars and even then the damage does not seem to effect the cars to greatly. The car graphics do not blow the other car games away anymore.

Forza 3 has much better car part customization, Better A.I., more options in online, Forza also looks amazing, a few different levels of damage from none to simulation,nice new features such as car flipping and rewind, paint custization that can let you personalize your car to the point where your car look is only limited by your imgination and paint skill.

CanYouDiglt

ummm they never said how many cars would have damage modeling....if so link it