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#51 SpruceCaboose
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[QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"][QUOTE="MajorGamer531"]

They release the game on the PC, than PC gamers are a group of their consumers. And you are quite naive if you think they are a small group. Not only are they a good sized group, but PC Gamers tend to hang their hat on one game for years, which means lots of DLC content that will be bought long after people on console stop caring and move on to the next Fad/hype game. Also the moding done by PC Gamers leads to innovations in the industry. The sprint function for example was first developed in a mod.

MajorGamer531

The idea that the average PC gamer is a hardcore gamers is as much a fallacy as the idea that most console gamers are hardcore gamers. Most gamers are casual, on all the platforms, and it is not the casuals who are complaining about the dedicated servers.

I don't recall ever mentioning anything about PC gamers being hardcore/ more hardcore.

You seem to be implying that all PC gamers care about this dedicated server mess. Casual gamers, who are the majority in gaming, are not the ones who care about this. It is the core gamers who care about dedicated servers. Casuals often don't have any clue what a server is or why they would want a dedicated one. I am willing to bet MW2 sells well on PC, even with the "slighted" PC gamers refusing to buy it (and then buying it/pirating it since they still want to play it, even though they won't admit it).
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#52 Lupivdaman
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He gave them $60 :?

wouldnt it have been easier to just Pre order BC 2

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#53 MajorGamer531
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[QUOTE="MajorGamer531"]

[QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"] The idea that the average PC gamer is a hardcore gamers is as much a fallacy as the idea that most console gamers are hardcore gamers. Most gamers are casual, on all the platforms, and it is not the casuals who are complaining about the dedicated servers. SpruceCaboose

I don't recall ever mentioning anything about PC gamers being hardcore/ more hardcore.

You seem to be implying that all PC gamers care about this dedicated server mess. Casual gamers, who are the majority in gaming, are not the ones who care about this. It is the core gamers who care about dedicated servers. Casuals often don't have any clue what a server is or why they would want a dedicated one. I am willing to bet MW2 sells well on PC, even with the "slighted" PC gamers refusing to buy it (and then buying it/pirating it since they still want to play it, even though they won't admit it).

Any pc gamer will see the difference between more players, low latency, and higher match control vs. 18 players, 100 ms pings, and private game only match control.

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#54 ManicAce
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[QUOTE="Cherokee_Jack"] You implied that by assuming that PC gamers, as a group, demand dedicated servers for PC games. Only hardcore gamers care about dedicated servers.

Most casual PC gamers prolly aren't aware of the changes coming in MW2, but I bet few jaws will drop when they realize they can't play with more than 18 people. Whether they'll ever connect the dots and understand what's what is another matter.
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#55 JangoWuzHere
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[QUOTE="Cherokee_Jack"]He used a smiley in a letter? How old is he?Cyberfairy

my grandpa said lol in a text message. what are you implying?

its ok to use internet talk when texting. You don't say "lol" or "rofl" when writing papers thoe.

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#56 JangoWuzHere
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[QUOTE="MajorGamer531"]

[QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"] The idea that the average PC gamer is a hardcore gamers is as much a fallacy as the idea that most console gamers are hardcore gamers. Most gamers are casual, on all the platforms, and it is not the casuals who are complaining about the dedicated servers. SpruceCaboose

I don't recall ever mentioning anything about PC gamers being hardcore/ more hardcore.

You seem to be implying that all PC gamers care about this dedicated server mess. Casual gamers, who are the majority in gaming, are not the ones who care about this. It is the core gamers who care about dedicated servers. Casuals often don't have any clue what a server is or why they would want a dedicated one. I am willing to bet MW2 sells well on PC, even with the "slighted" PC gamers refusing to buy it (and then buying it/pirating it since they still want to play it, even though they won't admit it).

I doubt their are that many casual gamers on PC....
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#57 SpruceCaboose
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Any pc gamer will see the difference between more players, low latency, and higher match control vs. 18 players, 100 ms pings, and private game only match control.

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No, they wouldn't. Most gamers just want to play a game, and servers, add ons, DLC, etc are things that get ignored. Seriously, you overestimate how many hardcore gamers there are. Or you overestimate how seriously casual gamers take gaming.
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#58 NinjaMonky
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now what if DICE stopped supporting dedicated servers :o

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#59 SpruceCaboose
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[QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"][QUOTE="MajorGamer531"]

I don't recall ever mentioning anything about PC gamers being hardcore/ more hardcore.

JangoWuzHere

You seem to be implying that all PC gamers care about this dedicated server mess. Casual gamers, who are the majority in gaming, are not the ones who care about this. It is the core gamers who care about dedicated servers. Casuals often don't have any clue what a server is or why they would want a dedicated one. I am willing to bet MW2 sells well on PC, even with the "slighted" PC gamers refusing to buy it (and then buying it/pirating it since they still want to play it, even though they won't admit it).

I doubt their are that many casual gamers on PC....

The vast majority of PC gamers are casual. Just like on all the platforms. In fact, most PC gamers are playing Peggle and Solitaire.

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#60 JangoWuzHere
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Edit
Also there's always a chance the PC version could be pushed back, or ported poorly, it's the first PC game using that engine, could end up like GTA4 or something. I'd like to see his face if that happens.

ManicAce

Except this is DICE. Not rockstar who screwed up 2 ports already. Their Mirriors edge port to the PC was very good by the way.

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#61 dragonfly110
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[QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"][QUOTE="cee1gee"]

the 1st word that comes to mind is "fool"

giving 60 dollars towards a multi million dollar company just because hes mad at activision...LOL! what a fail

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I agreed initially, but it is nice to finally see someone put their money where their mouth was and stand up for a cause, even as one as "silly" as a video game.

this is still stupid. He should just not buy MW2 or any other IW product and buy DICE games, whatever those are ( i dont even know ). that is enough.

you never played any of the Battlefield games? I think theyve been around longer then Cod has :?

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[QUOTE="MajorGamer531"]

[QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"] The idea that the average PC gamer is a hardcore gamers is as much a fallacy as the idea that most console gamers are hardcore gamers. Most gamers are casual, on all the platforms, and it is not the casuals who are complaining about the dedicated servers. SpruceCaboose

I don't recall ever mentioning anything about PC gamers being hardcore/ more hardcore.

You seem to be implying that all PC gamers care about this dedicated server mess. Casual gamers, who are the majority in gaming, are not the ones who care about this. It is the core gamers who care about dedicated servers. Casuals often don't have any clue what a server is or why they would want a dedicated one. I am willing to bet MW2 sells well on PC, even with the "slighted" PC gamers refusing to buy it (and then buying it/pirating it since they still want to play it, even though they won't admit it).

You have twisted reality so much that it's starting to tear up. Of course it will still sell, that is not the point. The point is to make it sell less. And of course it will get pirated to hell and beyond, cause the game is pretty good i bet. People are not boycotting it because the game is bad. It's the whole attitude and stance. Activision are making a point here, that they do not need to listen to gamers at all and can limit our experience any way they want, even publicly stating that they intend to screw us, and still make money with it because people will buy into a well established franchise no matter what.

You have a very weird mindset. Like how You think the consumers are supposed to take into account that these are businesses. That's not necessary at all. They put in the effort, make the right decisions, and we'll approve. If they don't we'll disapprove. Bad companies should go down the drain if they keep at it long enough. We shouldn't make an effort to save them.

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#63 SpruceCaboose
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You have twisted reality so much that it's starting to tear up. Of course it will still sell, that is not the point. The point is to make it sell less. And of course it will get pirated to hell and beyond, cause the game is pretty good i bet. People are not boycotting it because the game is bad. It's the whole attitude and stance. Activision are making a point here, that they do not need to listen to gamers at all and can do anything they want, even publicly stating that they intend to screw us, because people will buy into a well established franchise no matter what.

You have a very weird mindset. Like how You think the consumers are supposed to take into account that these are businesses. That's not necessary at all. They put in the effort, make the right decisions, and we'll approve. If they don't we'll disapprove. People shouldn't work for a company that sucks.

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I never argued anything about a business in this line of posts. That was specifically in response to a post about a pharma company making drugs. IW is a business though, and they will do what they feel is best for them, and consumers will buy what appeals to them. Nothing more or less. I just doubt that all this whining about boycotts and such will impact the game significantly, since many will just say they are boycotting and will indeed buy it, and there are tons of gamers who are not like us and are not hardcore. This group does not care about servers, and will have no idea there is even a boycott going.

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#64 MajorGamer531
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[QUOTE="KungfuKitten"] You have twisted reality so much that it's starting to tear up. Of course it will still sell, that is not the point. The point is to make it sell less. And of course it will get pirated to hell and beyond, cause the game is pretty good i bet. People are not boycotting it because the game is bad. It's the whole attitude and stance. Activision are making a point here, that they do not need to listen to gamers at all and can do anything they want, even publicly stating that they intend to screw us, because people will buy into a well established franchise no matter what.

You have a very weird mindset. Like how You think the consumers are supposed to take into account that these are businesses. That's not necessary at all. They put in the effort, make the right decisions, and we'll approve. If they don't we'll disapprove. People shouldn't work for a company that sucks.

SpruceCaboose

I never argued anything about a business in this line of posts. That was specifically in response to a post about a pharma company making drugs. IW is a business though, and they will do what they feel is best for them, and consumers will buy what appeals to them. Nothing more or less. I just doubt that all this whining about boycotts and such will impact the game significantly, since many will just say they are boycotting and will indeed buy it, and there are tons of gamers who are not like us and are not hardcore. This group does not care about servers, and will have no idea there is even a boycott going.

And that is why we need to be loud as hell. So that people do know there is a boycott and why there is one!

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#65 Wii_Gamer_277
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EA probably spent the money on beer and drugs :P
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#66 MajorGamer531
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EA probably spent the money on beer and drugs :PWii_Gamer_277

Better than spending it on MW2

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#67 SpruceCaboose
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And that is why we need to be loud as hell. So that people do know there is a boycott and why there is one!

MajorGamer531
Have fun. I plan on getting MW2 and enjoying the game myself.
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#68 Kleeyook
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DICE rules! All hail Swedish developers! :P
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#69 MajorGamer531
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[QUOTE="MajorGamer531"]

And that is why we need to be loud as hell. So that people do know there is a boycott and why there is one!

SpruceCaboose

Have fun. I plan on getting MW2 and enjoying the game myself.

That's fine, I only enjoyed MW for a week, my expectations of MW2 aren't much higher.

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#70 surrealnumber5
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should have sent activision a bill instead
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#71 Kokuro_Kun
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Haha, wow. People these days.
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#72 aroxx_ab
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LOL some people take this waaaaaaaaaaaaaaay to far, why not leave it at just not buy the game :roll:

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#73 kunal1092000
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A lot of casual gamers are following the "core" gamers suit and not buying MW2 on PC.

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#74 dc337
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I like how he didn't just sign one of those lame online petitions. The online petitions are completely unregulated and contain dupes, who knows how many of the people that sign them actually planned on buying the game. This guy made a stronger statement by putting up some real cash. I would never send money to a company like that but I will give him points for originality.

With MW2 breaking the gamespot preorder record I don't think IW would care if every pc gamer boycotted the game. They were already pissed off about the high piracy rates of COD4. I wasn't at all surprised by the changes they made given that most of the pc gamers that played COD4 didn't pay for it. Just be glad they didn't dump the pc entirely.

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#75 Meowmixxvi
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now thats hardcore!
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#76 Gangstah-Fresh
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The person who did that is definitely a obese male in his late 30's who has sociopathic traits. He has no friends aside from his aging mom who keeps him stored in the basement of her house.
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#77 SF_KiLLaMaN
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So this guy said he was very dissappointed with Activision for dropping support for dedicated server and proud of DICE for keeping dedicated servers.
So check out what he did!
I would say that's kinda going too far but what does SW think?

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that guy is clearly the man. That's all there is to it. I also prefer DICE over IW anyday. Battlefield>>>>>CoD

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#78 nitsud_19
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I awlways have and still do prefer the Battlefield franchise over Call of Duty although i still like me some CoD action.

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#79 slvrraven9
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EEEEEEEEEDIOT!!!! what an EEEDIOT!!!
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#80 SLIisaownsystem
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EEEEEEEEEDIOT!!!! what an EEEDIOT!!!slvrraven9

why that? Look how much intention he gets and i am really sure IW is pissed off.

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#81 dc337
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I just checked a major online retailer and MW2 was the #3 best selling game in the pc section. Interestingly Left4Dead 2 is #11.

So it looks like MW2 on pc will be a big seller even with all the talk of boycotts.

In the preorder comments section there are a lot of people trying to get others to cancel their prorders. That's just sad.

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#82 bobbetybob
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[QUOTE="slvrraven9"]EEEEEEEEEDIOT!!!! what an EEEDIOT!!!SLIisaownsystem

why that? Look how much intention he gets and i am really sure IW is pissed off.

Yeah 5 million sales on the first day, I'm sure they're crying themselves to sleep over this guy. I know i sounds harsh but it's true, that one guys money doesn't matter to them, it's the same as me deciding I don't want to eat at McDonalds because they put up the price of McNuggets by 20p, they don't care, they're still billionares.