Wrpgs or Jrpgs overall?

@ cain006.

I have an idea to boost the quality in RPG gameplay mechanics. We can simply look for an non-RPG that has many well-executed Role Playing Elements as possible like Bioshock, and simply nag the developers to maintain the games as it is and only add the rest of the Role Playing elements not present in the game. ;) its ambitious but possible.

Mass Effect is a TPS.

If you made this poll in 1998, it would be in the opposite direction. Anyway, I love both and I need both for different reasons. WRPGS for a more realistic, gloomy style and JRPGS for a colorful fun romp.

JRPG and WRPG are hardly defined by their locations. It's indeed as other poster has said - a difference in style. Any comparison between the two genres is ultimately flawed and highly dependent on personal preference. Why does it matter whether JRPG or WRPG is the superior RPG? A JRPG fan will enjoy JRPG, a WRPG will enjoy WRPG, and some enjoy both in varying degrees.

Comparing a WRPG against a JRPG is similar to comparing Breaking Bad against Attack on Titan. They are both "shows", but they target vastly different audiences. The RPG is such a big genre that it can no longer be described as a single genre. If the fallacy is stretched further, one can even claim that all games belong in the genre of "Gaming", and any meaningful comparison would be washed away and result in pure and simple popularity contest.

The classic argument of the unobservant.

I enjoy both. Though I tend to be more drawn to jrpgs. I never get the doom and gloom some jrpg fans keep talking about the genra. Maybe its something to do with nostalgia.After playing ff4 and ff13 I rather have ff13. Not saying ff4 is bad but I find the combat rather boring but the story and characters kept me interested.

@ SNIPER4321

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Both.

Because I'm a man of class.

Lately WRPG have been shinning far above JRPG games... however WRPG's of today aren't as good as the classic JRPG's. Namely because they told a story we can care and enjoy remembering them for.... while WRPG is something we enjoyed the time we played it.

I love both, amongst my favourite genres.

Pokemon is under "JRPG"

so that wins automatically i guess.

Any recommendations?

After Demons Souls, easilly JRPGs

My top games of all time are Souls games, FF7-9-10 and Bravely Default, all JRPGs

After these experiences, i find games like Skyrim like a joke, i could not even begin to play it, was so boring and generic

That may very well be, but the undeniable truth remains; we need a better way to categorize the sub-genres of RPG when the regional definitions are no longer as rigidly adhered to as they once were generations ago. Dark Souls and Dragon's Dogma are made in Japan, yet they aren't typical of a JRPG. Then there the Witcher games that on the surface seems to be WRPG, but isn't from the west or the east, it's from Poland. And if more and more countries continue to join in the production of RPGs, classification on nationality becomes even less relevant.

@AdobeArtist: Exactly, I was saying this for centuries. We should start to diferentiate rpgs made in Japan from classic jrpg. What in reality happened was that Japan rpgs makers have been westernized.

Dark Souls and Dragon's Dogma are NOT classic jrpgs, they are just normal rpgs made in Japan.

So in the end, we clearly see that wrpg took over the world, so even Japan is producing wrpgs now.

JRPG by hugh margin.

Last WRPG I really like was vampire the masquerade:bloodlines which is nearly 10 years old now, also the old WRPGs like the Black isle games where also great, current WRPGs however suck arse with very few exceptions.

I don't think we here on SW can change gaming terminology. WRPGs vs JRPGs are genres that are well established because of the place of origin of the _genre_, not of particular games. Spaghetti and pizza will awlays be Italian food, although they were cooked by a german immigrant in a restaurant in New York owned by a Spanish company. Same goes for games. Septerra Core is a JRPG despite it was developed in France, and Dark Souls is a WRPG despite being developed in Japan.

EDIT: Also, The Witcher games are from Poland and that makes them WRPGs even by place of origin. Poland is and always was part of the western civilization. Long before NA was even discovered.

Tough call for me.
For me there are Bethesda/Obsidian RPGs, BioWare/Obsidian RPGs, and JRPGs. There is no connection or similarity in the things I love in Bethesda vs Bioware games. I like the emphasis on story and the willingness to include acting in Bioware and JRPG games. I like exploring the world, which only Bethesda offers. I like the combat gameplay in BioWare and JRPGs. I like the choices and dialog options in BioWare games. JRPGs don't offer this and Bethesda games are really bad at it so I can't get excited about it even though it is there.
In sheer numbers, there were more WRPGS I enjoyed this gen (Dragon Age O/A/2, Fallout+NV, Skyrim, Mass Effect series) than JRPGS (Lost Odyssey, FFXIII+2) so I guess WRPGs win.

I love both styles.

KOTOR2 + Restoration Project

Temple of Elemental Evil + Circle of Eight module

Vampire the Masquarade: Bloodlines + Unofficial Patch

Mount & Blade Warband (Prophesy of Pendor for SP, cRPG for MP)

Fallout: New Vegas

Planescape: Torment + The mods in this guide

Gothic 2: Gold Edition

Gothic 3 (with the community patch)

• Action - RPG
• Tactical - RPG
• Strategy - RPG
• Dungeon Crawler
• Story-Driven RPG
• Sandbox - RPG
• Roguelikes
• etc.

Those are (sub)genres. Just because most RPG created in Japan used turn-based combat (tactical RPG) and artstyles inspired by japanese animation, doesn't mean that it's a genre. That's ridiculous (no offense), as is that food analogy i've seen you use a number of times.

They're just different styles that are in most cases extreme generalizations.

People get confused because the RPG genre has been diluted to the point were people don't even know what the **** an RPG is anymore.

But shit, i've seen a lot of heated arguments on system wars around this for years now. It will never end.

@Blabadon: Mass Effect is an RPG. Deal with it.

Also, WRPG vs JRPG is one of the easiest decisions in gaming. WRPG takes the cake. Every single time.

How so ? WRPGs are far more generic than the top JRPGs and the gameplay is a joke comparing to Souls games

So JRPG win by miles in art, design, variety and gameplay and what is left for WPRGs ?

Story is debatable, open world too, since Witcher 2 felt totally on rails and you could not go back to previous areas, which is way worse than FF7-8-9 open world

@ Lucianu

RPG is a Formula now just like Open World, it can be applied to almost anything, and as usual, I believe it makes things worse, everytime.

Generalization is the point of genres. It makes discussion about games (as well as music, movies and other things) possible without having to describe every single aspect of the given game every time you want to tell someone about it.

I don't think that FF7 can be considered tactical RPG just because it has turn-based combat.

And despite you find the idea that JRPG is a genre ridiculous, there is no denying wide gaming community is using to word "JRPG" to describe a genre of a game (i.e. describe general attributes of the game). We can hardly do anything about it here.

I pick both because I like having a wide range of flavors.

Everything you've just spat out is opinion. I personally cannot stand the art style of Japanese RPGs, I much prefer the gameplay of many Western RPGS, and story obviously depends on the game. I've always hated games like final fantasy, and no amount of people on the internet is going to sway me. The Witcher 2 remains a better, more enjoyable game than any RPG that Japan has ever fired out. That includes Souls, the gameplay of which I did not enjoy.

Naturally, this is from someone who, as I just mentioned, cannot stand JRPGs. If you have problems grasping that opinion, then I think it's time to leave the internet.

It's also interesting that you bring The Witcher 2 up when mentioning open worlds, considering The Witcher 2 never claimed to have such. Something I'm very thankful for.

Last gen - JRPG

Current gen - WRPG

Did not even try to look at the OP did you?

All you did is show you never played many Wrpgs just like the VAST MAJORITY of Jrpgs fans on this board who think bioware and bethesda make the only Wrpgs. (plus Darksouls is a Wprg. I though you liked that.)

I can take your same flawed argument and throw it back at you.

Oh boy your just going to start another long discussion.

I have played nearly every WRPG in existance, starting in Ultima Underworld, Ultima and Might and Magic days

Simply put, the latest years WRPGs are becoming a joke, they try to appeal to casuals, are oversimplified and linear

JRPGs does it better

and Demons Souls completly conquers gameplay for 3D action RPG too

Dark Souls is a JRPG, not a WRPG

No you haven't. Lol, Might and Magic and Ultima, how long did it takes you to google those? Nice examples, not really.

The fact you are ignoring the casualization of Jrpgs nor describe your point just shows you want to remove thing so that it makes it seem like you know what you are saying. This is double hilarious because you have said in older posts it's not a Jrpg so you clearly are losing your mind.

Hell, Jrpgs entire existence is based on casualizing regular Rpgs from the start, and eventually it went from taking a few rpg elements out to be debatable as an rpg at all.

And Dark Souls is a Wrpg, the style fits, it's what it plays like, it's FACTUALLY the reason why they were split up, you can say the sky is purple on a blue sunny day, but you are an idiot if you do.

Xenoblade is my favorite RPG this gen so I'll go with JRPGs.

I hate Final Fantasy aswell, quite passionately actually, but i'm gonna presume you haven't played the likes of 999, Panzer Dragoon Saga, Mother 3 and Dragon Quest V to form a better opinion on JRPGs.

3 of which have similar gameplay to quite a few Final Fantasy games. And one of the 3 just mentioned is stuck in a time warp. However, your other examples are good. I would through Tales of Symphonia and/or Vesperia since those are the western favorite tales games.

I dont see why you dont like Might and Magic and Ultima, these games were amazing. Probably you have not played either series. Also i have the boxes of many of my old PC collection, i can take a pic with my username on if you like, just in case you keep this "you have not played those games" silly damage control stance.

And how about the casualization of WRPG ? Skyrim and Witcher 2 were jokes comparing to Morrowind and Witcher 1 or Gothic 1-2 (which again you obviosuly have never played, so you think new WRPGs are any good)

Also the only serious WRPG style game to come this generation is a JRPG (a RPG from Japan and ONLY on consoles - PS3 - Demons Soul)

WRPGs are way worse than they were and RPGs from Japan are getting way better in SOuls case or at least are as amazing as they were previosuly (Lost Odyssey, Ni no Kuni, Bravely Default)

WRPGs are getting crap, JRPGs getting better or remain same

Both Witcher 2 and Skyrim are some of the most boring games i have ever played TBH, Witcher 2 was totally on rails, and the combat in both games is like a torture of extreme boredom. Sticking nails to my fingertips seems way more fun than the combat and gameplay of those two titles.

But... what about that "true next gen lighting" in Witcher 2? ;) :P

Nothing beats an amazing JRPG.

That being said, I LOVE WRPGs too.

I'm just a huge RPG fan.

Neither genres are appealing to me.

But if I had to choose, WRPGs are far better, based upon what I've fiddled and dabbled with but never really finished.

WRPG's have evolved greatly the last couple of years.
And while I still enjoy JRPG's once in a while, they haven't innovated that much. It's more a feeling of nostalgia when I'm playing them.

In what ways ?

They have devolved really, become more casual and linear

Demons Souls is the way RPGs should be made and is a JRPG

I like how you purposely twisted my words around. i never directly said you never played thos games, I did however directly say that those are extremely googable names and it does not prove you played many Wrpgs at all.

I also already admitted to Skyrim multiple times in more than one thread that it's not that good to me, but in that post i stated that Jrgps are just as casualized and you managed to ignore that fact because you know it's true, At this point you literally are confirming you think bethesda and maybe Bioware make most the Wrpgs this gen when you randomly pull out Skyrim in a conversation not even about it.

You also need to get your facts state and stop being Stupid, no matter how much you throw a tantrum, Dark Souls is a Wrpg Period. the genres were SPLIT for THAT EXACT FACTUAL reason. From Softwares games, well most of them, are often considered to be ones broguth from western gameplay styles EVEN IN JAPAN. Although Japan does not split the genres like the western countries do, they are factually split for the reason mentioned. So if you use the terms Jrpg and Wrpgs, how about not being a bitch and using them, for what they were made for instead of trying to spin illusions?

Seems more like damage control of FF13 at this point.

I mean, you even said in another post that you like FF7 and FF9 for being uniue and generic when that's EXACTLY what those games are (quality being subjective) so you clearly don't have a clear head. In fact, were you not praising the Witcher 2 earlier?

It's a Wrpg, please don't twist your illusions on people from historical facts.

And all you have proven here is that "most" Wrpgs you have played are from Bioware and Bethesda because your statement is terribly wrong. Prehaps actually knowing what you are talking about first.

(and fable. You seem to be DCing off Witcher after praising it so I have no idea what your opinion on that game is,)

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