X1 esram explanation

[QUOTE="xboxiphoneps3"][QUOTE="darkangel115"]

 

yes i do. and it didn't. show me one PC that runs exclsuively off GDDR5 RAM. you can't. they never even put it on the market becuase the high latency isn't good to run a PC. instead its only aviable on GPUs butil into the video card

Cali3350

graphics processing needs raw bandwidth.  GPU Compute actually does need latency sensitive memory for max thourougput.  

and the PS4 rips xbox one apart in compute, and spits it back out

[QUOTE="ManatuBeard"]

[QUOTE="darkangel115"]

You do realize that the "G" in "GDDR" means "Graphics"?

and

"GDDR5 never came available for PCs" ronvalencia

is probably the MOST STUPID THING i have read in this forum...

[QUOTE="Cali3350"]

[QUOTE="xboxiphoneps3"] your not certified to talk about anything at all.. you dont know anything.. shut up fool, these are gaming consoles, gaming consoles need raw bandwidth over this supposed "latency sensitive memory" which really makes no sense because these are APU's and they are totally different from a traditional PC setup... xboxiphoneps3

graphics processing needs raw bandwidth.  GPU Compute actually does need latency sensitive memory for max thourougput.  

and the PS4 rips xbox one apart in compute, and spits it back out

1st i'm more then qualified to discuss this. most of the people here tryign to "debate me" aren't ;)

i'm also getting both systems becuase when your in your field of work you make a hting called money, and being in IT and netowkring for 10+ years means i make a good living and aren't forced to choose between the 2 and beg my parents to buy me one little kid ;)

you konw nothing of the onion and garlic busses becuase you know what the bandwidth is on them? 20GB/s combined with teh high latency of 10 times the amount of DDR3 and with your bandwidth at about 1/9 of the RAM itsself, the perofrmanc eis gonna bog down. last gen the PS3 was all about memory leak, this gen i'm thinking its gonna be more processor related as the CPU tries to deal with teh latency it wasn't designed to handle.

[QUOTE="ronvalencia"][QUOTE="ManatuBeard"] is probably the MOST STUPID THING i have read in this forum...darkangel115

Intel Xeon Phi's "co-processor" tag is due to it's not running the host OS.

Host OS capable X86 CPUs will later get 512bit AVX SIMD and GDDR5M SODIMMs. Intel's AVX SIMD road map goes up to 1024 bit wide SIMD.

Intel Xeon Phi runs on customised Linux based OS.

[QUOTE="xboxiphoneps3"]

[QUOTE="Cali3350"]

 

graphics processing needs raw bandwidth.  GPU Compute actually does need latency sensitive memory for max thourougput.  

darkangel115

and the PS4 rips xbox one apart in compute, and spits it back out

1st i'm more then qualified to discuss this. most of the people here tryign to "debate me" aren't ;)

i'm also getting both systems becuase when your in your field of work you make a hting called money, and being in IT and netowkring for 10+ years means i make a good living and aren't forced to choose between the 2 and beg my parents to buy me one little kid ;)

you konw nothing of the onion and garlic busses becuase you know what the bandwidth is on them? 20GB/s combined with teh high latency of 10 times the amount of DDR3 and with your bandwidth at about 1/9 of the RAM itsself, the perofrmanc eis gonna bog down. last gen the PS3 was all about memory leak, this gen i'm thinking its gonna be more processor related as the CPU tries to deal with teh latency it wasn't designed to handle.

once again these are gaming consoles and that is what they are ment to do, play games, and games need raw bandwidth over anything else, which the PS4 has more of... /thread 

[QUOTE="xboxiphoneps3"][QUOTE="darkangel115"]

yes i do. and it didn't. show me one PC that runs exclsuively off GDDR5 RAM. you can't. they never even put it on the market becuase the high latency isn't good to run a PC. instead its only aviable on GPUs butil into the video card

Cali3350

graphics processing needs raw bandwidth. GPU Compute actually does need latency sensitive memory for max thourougput.

It depends if the GPU can hide latency issue with multiple threads i.e. NV's Gigathreads and AMD's Ultrathreads was designed to hide this latency issue.

lol thats way wrong. MS chose the DDR3 becuase thats what PCs run on. its the universally best ram for running a PC. It has nothing to do with densitey and 8GB of GDDR5 was more then avilable. they have 16 512MB chips, your saying taht they had 16 256 MB chips years ago? why do all you spam misinformation. you aren't computer experts, know nothing what your talking about, but feel the need to make crap up?darkangel115

I looked it up and wrong. its not a traditional CPU, its a "coprocessor" as intel calls it. and more importantly its specially designed to deal with the latency issues of GDDR5 RAM. the PS4's CPU is not. So its irrelevant it somewhere out there, somebody built a special device taht allows CPUs to work well with GDDR5 RAM becuase the PS4 doesn't have said device.darkangel115

[QUOTE="darkangel115"]I looked it up and wrong. its not a traditional CPU, its a "coprocessor" as intel calls it. and more importantly its specially designed to deal with the latency issues of GDDR5 RAM. the PS4's CPU is not. So its irrelevant it somewhere out there, somebody built a special device taht allows CPUs to work well with GDDR5 RAM becuase the PS4 doesn't have said device.btk2k2

You do realize that is for specific modules they produce, and that DDR3 can have very varying amounts of latency per its production right?

1st i'm more then qualified to discuss this. most of the people here tryign to "debate me" aren't ;)

i'm also getting both systems becuase when your in your field of work you make a hting called money, and being in IT and netowkring for 10+ years means i make a good living and aren't forced to choose between the 2 and beg my parents to buy me one little kid ;)

you konw nothing of the onion and garlic busses becuase you know what the bandwidth is on them? 20GB/s combined with teh high latency of 10 times the amount of DDR3 and with your bandwidth at about 1/9 of the RAM itsself, the perofrmanc eis gonna bog down. last gen the PS3 was all about memory leak, this gen i'm thinking its gonna be more processor related as the CPU tries to deal with teh latency it wasn't designed to handle.

 

darkangel115

[QUOTE="btk2k2"][QUOTE="darkangel115"]I looked it up and wrong. its not a traditional CPU, its a "coprocessor" as intel calls it. and more importantly its specially designed to deal with the latency issues of GDDR5 RAM. the PS4's CPU is not. So its irrelevant it somewhere out there, somebody built a special device taht allows CPUs to work well with GDDR5 RAM becuase the PS4 doesn't have said device.Cali3350

You do realize that is for specific modules they produce, and that DDR3 can have very varying amounts of latency per its production right?

[QUOTE="Cali3350"]

[QUOTE="btk2k2"] Relative to DDR3, GDDR5 does not have any latency issues, they are pretty much the same. Page 51 for DDR3 here ACT to ACT is 45ns. (think ready state to ready state) Page 133 for GDDR5 here ACT to ACT is 40ns. I guess you will assume that Hynix are not 'computer experts' either, even though they make the modules.btk2k2

You do realize that is for specific modules they produce, and that DDR3 can have very varying amounts of latency per its production right?

GDDR5 is much higher latency in terms of cycles.  But since it has so many more cycles its largely a wash in real world values, absolutely.  

But his quote above is simply silly.  It has little to do with the ram used in either console.  

[QUOTE="xboxiphoneps3"]

[QUOTE="Cali3350"]

 

graphics processing needs raw bandwidth.  GPU Compute actually does need latency sensitive memory for max thourougput.  

darkangel115

and the PS4 rips xbox one apart in compute, and spits it back out

1st i'm more then qualified to discuss this. most of the people here tryign to "debate me" aren't ;)

i'm also getting both systems becuase when your in your field of work you make a hting called money, and being in IT and netowkring for 10+ years means i make a good living and aren't forced to choose between the 2 and beg my parents to buy me one little kid ;)

you konw nothing of the onion and garlic busses becuase you know what the bandwidth is on them? 20GB/s combined with teh high latency of 10 times the amount of DDR3 and with your bandwidth at about 1/9 of the RAM itsself, the perofrmanc eis gonna bog down. last gen the PS3 was all about memory leak, this gen i'm thinking its gonna be more processor related as the CPU tries to deal with teh latency it wasn't designed to handle.

Last I checked IT and networking doesn't have much to do with hardware engineering, you aren't any more qualified to talk about this than anyone else on the forum.

I'm no pc genius so can someone can explain Why X1 had to go for esram... why not just add more normal ram?

I'm not having a go at X1 (bcos from my understanding real world performance will be almost identical...or otherwise time will tell at best)

Why did they take complicated route. What was the thinking here. Am I missing something... does esram have some additional qualities to it or something.

vpacalypse

Prepare for 100s of responses from Cows who seem to think that because they are gamers, they are also hardware engineers...

GDDR5 is much higher latency in terms of cycles.  But since it has so many more cycles its largely a wash in real world values, absolutely.  

But his quote above is simply silly.  It has little to do with the ram used in either console.  

Cali3350