XBONE needs to flop for the sake of the gamers in the future.

I am not liking the idea of this new xbox console it is so anti consumer and is full of restrictions and extra charges for xbox live AGAIN!!! before it was worth the money because its online gaming was a lot more smooth and had voice chat etc but all the others have caught up but still offer the service for free so Microsoft needs to show us how xbox live is better then the others this time round again and why its worth the money because I can not see any advantages to it.

All this DRM, you don't own the game just the licence to play it, no pre owned games unless you pay a fee its disgusting what they are trying to do with the gaming industry but if they succeed this will then become the norm which will only open for more restrictions and it will get worse and worse. 

Gamers need to say no at some point and this is it we need to say no to these restrictions and need to say no buy voting with our wallets. Microsoft will not fall under if their new console fails but it will force them to rethink how they treat their consumers and it will force others in the industry who will see the Xbox ONE demise and not follow down the same path.

It needs to flop for gamers rights in the future. 

I might skip the Xbone (I have the money, but I'm on the fence waiting for E3), but I will probably get the Xbox Two/Xbox 2/Xbox 4/Xbox 1080 because that will be their return to form for gamers.

Fight the power! Anarchy! Anarchy!

It won't. Expect Xbox One to lead the next-generation. Just because you forum fools are against it doesn't mean nobody else is going to buy one. The amount of Halo fans alone are going to sell a few million systems - enough to get Third party support - enough to sell more systems and thus the cycle repeats until BAM - 100M units sold. I hope you have fun with your PS4 though! I know it can be exciting owning a new console for a while. I know I will love my Xbox One and have no reason not to!!

edit: I should not also that if Sony fails with the PS4 then you won't be seeing a PS5. While the same is not true IF Microsoft fails (and they won't) as Microsoft aren't exactly in bad shape as a company. Sony are losing BILLIONS every quater. They need a successful product or you PS fans aren't gona have nothing to play ! :cry:

I might skip the Xbone, but I will probably get the Xbox Two/Xbox 2/Xbox 4/Xbox 1080 because that will be their return to form for gamers.

SolidTy

It won't. Expect Xbox One to lead the next-generation. Just because you forum fools are against it doesn't mean nobody else is going to buy one. The amount of Halo fans alone are going to sell a few million systems - enough to get Third party support - enough to sell more systems and thus the cycle repeats until BAM - 100M units sold. I hope you have fun with your PS4 though! I know it can be exciting owning a new console for a while. I know I will love my Xbox One and have no reason not to!!

SunnyLollipop

It won't. Expect Xbox One to lead the next-generation. Just because you forum fools are against it doesn't mean nobody else is going to buy one. The amount of Halo fans alone are going to sell a few million systems - enough to get Third party support - enough to sell more systems and thus the cycle repeats until BAM - 100M units sold. I hope you have fun with your PS4 though! I know it can be exciting owning a new console for a while. I know I will love my Xbox One and have no reason not to!!

 

edit: I should not also that if Sony fails with the PS4 then you won't be seeing a PS5. While the same is not true IF Microsoft fails (and they won't) as Microsoft aren't exactly in bad shape as a company. Sony are losing BILLIONS every quater. They need a successful product or you PS fans aren't gona have nothing to play ! :cry:

SunnyLollipop

The amount of Halo fans alone are going to sell a few million systems - enough to get Third party support - enough to sell more systems and thus the cycle repeats until BAM - 100M units sold.

SunnyLollipop

There are millions upon millions of offline gamers and Halo fans worldwide that won't be able to play or buy the Xbone because of the required Broadband internet.

Consider the 360, although the install base is near 80 million, there are only half that number of total Xbox Live members (Gold and Silver= 40+ million). Half that 40+ million number are paid Xbox Live Gold members (20+ million).

These Xbox Live members are welcome to buy the Xbone, but the other half of the 360 offline install base won't be able to buy the new machine. They will have to consider instead the Wii U or PS4.

Halo 5 can't suddenly enable them to be online gamers. That's a HUGE divide in a console we've never seen in the past. If you aren't online, you aren't welcome to buy it. They don't mind that though, they've considered this. That is because they will make more profit from each Xbone owner that will pay for the smaller install base.

So, you estimate of 100M units sold is far too high considering what we learned so far about the limiting Xbone membership. I didn't even go into the negative feedback of the Anti consumer DRM, I'm just simple considering the current 360 install basewhich is heavily inflated by non-online gamers.

Now that we determined that the Xbone will have a smaller install base, those 3rd party publishers won't be able to sell that many copies of their games soley on the Xbone online mandated platform.

Go to big box retailers today, you can see these offline consumers every day buying new games for the 360, Wii, and PS3. Those people aren't going to be able to buy the Xbone as they can't use it. Just to get started on Xbone you have to sign into Xbox LIve.

It will have the biggest marketing campaign out of the 3, it won't "flop" . King_Dodongo

The Xbox 1 needs to change its ways, not flop.

[QUOTE="SunnyLollipop"]

The amount of Halo fans alone are going to sell a few million systems - enough to get Third party support - enough to sell more systems and thus the cycle repeats until BAM - 100M units sold.

SolidTy

There are millions upon millions of offline gamers and Halo fans worldwide that won't be able to play or buy the Xbone because of the required Broadband internet.

Consider the 360, although the install base is near 80 million, there are only half that number of total Xbox Live members (Gold and Silver). Half that number are paid Xbox Live Gold members.

These Xbox Live members are welcome to buy the Xbone, but the other half of the 360 offline install base won't be able to buy the new machine. They will have to consider instead the Wii U or PS4.

Halo 5 can't suddenly enable them to be online gamers. That's a HUGE divide in a console we've never seen in the past. If you aren't online, you aren't welcome to buy it. They don't mind that though, they've considered this. That is because they will make more profit from each Xbone owner that will pay for the smaller install base.

So, you estimate of 100M units sold is far too high considering what we learned so far about the limiting Xbone membership. I didn't even go into the negative feedback of the Anti consumer DRM, I'm just simple considering the current 360 install basewhich is heavily inflated by non-online gamers.

Now that we determined that the Xbone will have a smaller install base, those 3rd party publishers won't be able to sell that many copies of their games soley on the Xbone online mandated platform.

Go to big box retailers today, you can see these offline consumers every day buying new games for the 360, Wii, and PS3. Those people aren't going to be able to buy the Xbone as they can't use it. Just to get started on Xbone you have to sign into Xbox LIve.

It won't. Expect Xbox One to lead the next-generation. Just because you forum fools are against it doesn't mean nobody else is going to buy one. The amount of Halo fans alone are going to sell a few million systems - enough to get Third party support - enough to sell more systems and thus the cycle repeats until BAM - 100M units sold. I hope you have fun with your PS4 though! I know it can be exciting owning a new console for a while. I know I will love my Xbox One and have no reason not to!!

 

edit: I should not also that if Sony fails with the PS4 then you won't be seeing a PS5. While the same is not true IF Microsoft fails (and they won't) as Microsoft aren't exactly in bad shape as a company. Sony are losing BILLIONS every quater. They need a successful product or you PS fans aren't gona have nothing to play ! :cry:

SunnyLollipop

Yes by all means buy a xbox one if it makes you happy. Just know in doing so, you're supporting a company that blatantly disregards consumer choice and rgihts. Read up on Microsoft's kinetic patent and learn what it's really going to be used for. 

Yes, it does. I hope MS and Publishers thinking aplying DRM learn their lesson this gen. Just hope the dudebros demographic isnt as big as I think it is...

[QUOTE="King_Dodongo"]It will have the biggest marketing campaign out of the 3, it won't "flop" . ziggyww

[QUOTE="SolidTy"]

[QUOTE="SunnyLollipop"]

The amount of Halo fans alone are going to sell a few million systems - enough to get Third party support - enough to sell more systems and thus the cycle repeats until BAM - 100M units sold.

SunnyLollipop

There are millions upon millions of offline gamers and Halo fans worldwide that won't be able to play or buy the Xbone because of the required Broadband internet.

Consider the 360, although the install base is near 80 million, there are only half that number of total Xbox Live members (Gold and Silver). Half that number are paid Xbox Live Gold members.

These Xbox Live members are welcome to buy the Xbone, but the other half of the 360 offline install base won't be able to buy the new machine. They will have to consider instead the Wii U or PS4.

Halo 5 can't suddenly enable them to be online gamers. That's a HUGE divide in a console we've never seen in the past. If you aren't online, you aren't welcome to buy it. They don't mind that though, they've considered this. That is because they will make more profit from each Xbone owner that will pay for the smaller install base.

So, you estimate of 100M units sold is far too high considering what we learned so far about the limiting Xbone membership. I didn't even go into the negative feedback of the Anti consumer DRM, I'm just simple considering the current 360 install basewhich is heavily inflated by non-online gamers.

Now that we determined that the Xbone will have a smaller install base, those 3rd party publishers won't be able to sell that many copies of their games soley on the Xbone online mandated platform.

Go to big box retailers today, you can see these offline consumers every day buying new games for the 360, Wii, and PS3. Those people aren't going to be able to buy the Xbone as they can't use it. Just to get started on Xbone you have to sign into Xbox LIve.

Online only machine won't sell to millions of offline gamers worldwide, no 100M cycle continuing.

Offline Xgamers forced to buy something else...install base of competition grows (Wii U/PS4).

The Xbox 1 needs to change its ways, not flop.

Maroxad

[QUOTE="SunnyLollipop"]

It won't. Expect Xbox One to lead the next-generation. Just because you forum fools are against it doesn't mean nobody else is going to buy one. The amount of Halo fans alone are going to sell a few million systems - enough to get Third party support - enough to sell more systems and thus the cycle repeats until BAM - 100M units sold. I hope you have fun with your PS4 though! I know it can be exciting owning a new console for a while. I know I will love my Xbox One and have no reason not to!!

 

edit: I should not also that if Sony fails with the PS4 then you won't be seeing a PS5. While the same is not true IF Microsoft fails (and they won't) as Microsoft aren't exactly in bad shape as a company. Sony are losing BILLIONS every quater. They need a successful product or you PS fans aren't gona have nothing to play ! :cry:

IshmaelSonata

Yes by all means buy a xbox one if it makes you happy. Just know in doing so, you're supporting a company that blatantly disregards consumer choice and rgihts. Read up on Microsoft's kinetic patent and learn what it's really going to be used for. 

[QUOTE="ziggyww"][QUOTE="King_Dodongo"]It will have the biggest marketing campaign out of the 3, it won't "flop" . King_Dodongo

[QUOTE="Maroxad"]

The Xbox 1 needs to change its ways, not flop.

bobbetybob

[QUOTE="Maroxad"]

The Xbox 1 needs to change its ways, not flop.

bobbetybob

Is it to late though for them to change anything or make these new deals? Too little to late kinda thing

It won't flop, because clueless customers will buy this TVbox. But what it needs is a redesign. Because it's horrible.

It won't. Expect Xbox One to lead the next-generation. Just because you forum fools are against it doesn't mean nobody else is going to buy one. The amount of Halo fans alone are going to sell a few million systems - enough to get Third party support - enough to sell more systems and thus the cycle repeats until BAM - 100M units sold. I hope you have fun with your PS4 though! I know it can be exciting owning a new console for a while. I know I will love my Xbox One and have no reason not to!!

 

edit: I should not also that if Sony fails with the PS4 then you won't be seeing a PS5. While the same is not true IF Microsoft fails (and they won't) as Microsoft aren't exactly in bad shape as a company. Sony are losing BILLIONS every quater. They need a successful product or you PS fans aren't gona have nothing to play ! :cry:

SunnyLollipop

It won't flop, because clueless customers will buy this TVbox. But what it needs is a redesign. Because it's horrible.

lilnazar

[QUOTE="SunnyLollipop"]

It won't. Expect Xbox One to lead the next-generation. Just because you forum fools are against it doesn't mean nobody else is going to buy one. The amount of Halo fans alone are going to sell a few million systems - enough to get Third party support - enough to sell more systems and thus the cycle repeats until BAM - 100M units sold. I hope you have fun with your PS4 though! I know it can be exciting owning a new console for a while. I know I will love my Xbox One and have no reason not to!!

 

edit: I should not also that if Sony fails with the PS4 then you won't be seeing a PS5. While the same is not true IF Microsoft fails (and they won't) as Microsoft aren't exactly in bad shape as a company. Sony are losing BILLIONS every quater. They need a successful product or you PS fans aren't gona have nothing to play ! :cry:

JamDev

[QUOTE="IshmaelSonata"]

Yes by all means buy a xbox one if it makes you happy. Just know in doing so, you're supporting a company that blatantly disregards consumer choice and rgihts. Read up on Microsoft's kinetic patent and learn what it's really going to be used for. 

ziggyww

It's not just watching you, the Kinetic is specifically collecting information on consumer electronic use behavior and sending such reports to promotional agencies. This is word for word true from MS's kinetic patent.

So not only are you being watched, MS is making money off your private life. That is just despicable. There's no way that I will support such a company. 

[QUOTE="bobbetybob"][QUOTE="Maroxad"]

The Xbox 1 needs to change its ways, not flop.

ziggyww

Is it to late though for them to change anything or make these new deals? Too little to late kinda thing

[QUOTE="lilnazar"]

It won't flop, because clueless customers will buy this TVbox. But what it needs is a redesign. Because it's horrible.

LJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="ziggyww"][QUOTE="IshmaelSonata"]

Yes by all means buy a xbox one if it makes you happy. Just know in doing so, you're supporting a company that blatantly disregards consumer choice and rgihts. Read up on Microsoft's kinetic patent and learn what it's really going to be used for. 

IshmaelSonata

It's not just watching you, the Kinetic is specifically collecting consumer electronic use behavior and sending such information to promotional agencies.

So not only are you being watched, MS is making money off your private life. That is just despicable. There's no way that I will support such a company. 

Well no need to worry there because it will flop

I am not liking the idea of this new xbox console it is so anti consumer and is full of restrictions and extra charges for xbox live AGAIN!!! before it was worth the money because its online gaming was a lot more smooth and had voice chat etc but all the others have caught up but still offer the service for free so Microsoft needs to show us how xbox live is better then the others this time round again and why its worth the money because I can not see any advantages to it.

All this DRM, you don't own the game just the licence to play it, no pre owned games unless you pay a fee its disgusting what they are trying to do with the gaming industry but if they succeed this will then become the norm which will only open for more restrictions and it will get worse and worse. 

Gamers need to say no at some point and this is it we need to say no to these restrictions and need to say no buy voting with our wallets. Microsoft will not fall under if their new console fails but it will force them to rethink how they treat their consumers and it will force others in the industry who will see the Xbox ONE demise and not follow down the same path.

It needs to flop for gamers rights in the future. 

ziggyww

There are many who won't care and will buy an XB1 anyway. When Windows XP first came out, there were a lot of outcries against its install conditions, including privacy concerns. Yet, XP sold very well. Similar install conditions have spread to most of Microsoft's other (PC) software products and now, no one gives a second thought about it. I'm sure there will be similarly minded people who will buy the XB1 so long as it has the games they want.

There are many who won't care and will buy an XB1 anyway. When Windows XP first came out, there were a lot of outcries against its install conditions, including privacy concerns. Yet, XP sold very well. Similar install conditions have spread to most of Microsoft's other (PC) software products and now, no one gives a second thought about it. I'm sure there will be similarly minded people who will buy the XB1 so long as it has the games they want.

jun_aka_pekto

There are many who won't care and will buy an XB1 anyway. When Windows XP first came out, there were a lot of outcries against its install conditions, including privacy concerns. Yet, XP sold very well. Similar install conditions have spread to most of Microsoft's other (PC) software products and now, no one gives a second thought about it. I'm sure there will be similarly minded people who will buy the XB1 so long as it has the games they want.

jun_aka_pekto

[QUOTE="bobbetybob"][QUOTE="Maroxad"]

The Xbox 1 needs to change its ways, not flop.

LJS9502_basic

Not at all,

The 360 was very successful, but it still ended up using and getting a strong emphasis on motion controls due to the success of the Wii. Similarily, If MS does ok enough to stay afloat but nowhere near as good as Sony (who is without a doubt going to advertise their lack of DRM as well as they can), MS might see that the consumer does not want DRM.

Sometimes just having a much more successful competitor is enough to sway someone to change ways.

The XBONE needs to stay afloat (but hopefully do the worst of the 3), say what you will of Microsoft, but they do provide Nintendo and Sony with competition.

I will probably get the Xbox Two/Xbox 2/Xbox 4/Xbox 1080 because that will be their return to form for gamers.

SolidTy

[QUOTE="jun_aka_pekto"]

There are many who won't care and will buy an XB1 anyway. When Windows XP first came out, there were a lot of outcries against its install conditions, including privacy concerns. Yet, XP sold very well. Similar install conditions have spread to most of Microsoft's other (PC) software products and now, no one gives a second thought about it. I'm sure there will be similarly minded people who will buy the XB1 so long as it has the games they want.

strawhatlupi

There are alternatives whether people regard them as legitimate or not. There are those who will gravitate toward XB1 exclusives regardless of what the PS4 and WiiU have to offer.

[QUOTE="SolidTy"]

I will probably get the Xbox Two/Xbox 2/Xbox 4/Xbox 1080 because that will be their return to form for gamers.

Ninja-Hippo

ANd why do you say that? It's a very interesting position to take, since more and more people are gaming today than a decade ago, the growth of E-sports has been tremendous.

It won't. Expect Xbox One to lead the next-generation. Just because you forum fools are against it doesn't mean nobody else is going to buy one. The amount of Halo fans alone are going to sell a few million systems - enough to get Third party support - enough to sell more systems and thus the cycle repeats until BAM - 100M units sold. I hope you have fun with your PS4 though! I know it can be exciting owning a new console for a while. I know I will love my Xbox One and have no reason not to!!

 

edit: I should not also that if Sony fails with the PS4 then you won't be seeing a PS5. While the same is not true IF Microsoft fails (and they won't) as Microsoft aren't exactly in bad shape as a company. Sony are losing BILLIONS every quater. They need a successful product or you PS fans aren't gona have nothing to play ! :cry:

SunnyLollipop

This brings up a point.  The people that visit gaming sites are the people upset the most.  This is a lot of people.  More people than youd think.  The other people are the people that buy consoles because its simple.  They buy the box, walk down an isle and buy some games based on what looks appealing/whats being touted as "hot" through advertising.  This second crowd might have ZERO knowledge of all the restrictions, drm, etc around the Xbox One. 

I can realistically see the crowd, the ones not reading everything online, taking the console home and saying to themselves, "WTF?"  That would lead to the WORST possible scenerio for MS; when people are buying it on the assumption that it is plug-and-play, essentially what a game console is.  I think this thing is fcked--TIME Magazine is even doing articles on the dang thing.

[QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"][QUOTE="SolidTy"]

I will probably get the Xbox Two/Xbox 2/Xbox 4/Xbox 1080 because that will be their return to form for gamers.

IshmaelSonata

ANd on why do you say that? It's a very interesting position to take, since more and more people are gaming today than a decade ago, the growth of E-sports has been tremendous.

Music, TV and movies have already moved back towards entertainment as a service, not a product that you can buy and own. Netflix, iTunes, Kindle, Sky - they're all already there. Gaming is going there too. The industry wants its property back. It wants everything stores to a cloud that it will allow you access to in exchange for a subscription fee. The days of you actually owning pieces of entertainment are numbered. From now on it will be a service that is provisioned to you.

That's point number one. But point number two - gaming is completely unsustainable. Gamers need to get a grip on reality. Right now they want Microsoft and Sony to produce a box which has cutting-edge graphics which is tailor made exclusively to gamers. They want it to have better graphics than the PC, they will complain if it endeavours to appeal to a broader audience other than themselves, they refuse to pay more than $400 for it and when they do buy one they'd prefer to buy the games second hand. Nintendo already figured out years ago that it cant keep going on like that with better graphics which cost more and more to produce and take bigger and bigger hits on losses in making the hardware.

While Nintendo have solved the problem by trying to scale back the graphical expectations, Microsoft are clearly trying to solve the problem by opening up the market to something much broader than just games. They've already said it will be the last console they ever make, and I believe them.

Games are everywhere now. They're in your phone, on your iPad, you can download them on your smart TV. People just dont want to go out and pay $500 for another box to play a slightly better looking version of Madden any more.

It needs to be the biggest product failure since new coke that way no hardware or publisher thinks of making the same mistake ever again

Besides, gamers have been giving up their rights anyway. I for one preferred LAN gaming on the PC because of the freedom to set up any multiplayer without the need for online access or having to use corporate servers not under my control. Once LAN multiplayer was dropped and replaced by online gaming, I quit multiplayer out of principle. Yet, no one else seems to care. They gladly took up online MP. So now, all this talk about freedoms being curtailed (by the XB1) is just a sham. Gamers already have been giving up their freedoms.   

Besides, gamers have been giving up their rights anyway. I for one preferred LAN gaming on the PC because of the freedom to set up any multiplayer without the need for online access or having to use corporate servers not under my control. Once LAN multiplayer was dropped and replaced by online gaming, I quit multiplayer out of principle. Yet, no one else seems to care. They gladly took up online MP. So now, all this talk about freedoms being curtailed (by the XB1) is just a sham. Gamers already have been giving up their freedoms.   

jun_aka_pekto