XBONE needs to flop for the sake of the gamers in the future.

"good"? not necessarily, you do know that xbox 360 games are tied to the xbox 360 system. unless owner whos 360 got RROD don't mind having their 360 game collection turned into crappy paper weight, they are force to reinvest to buy another unreliableunit.strawhatlupi

[QUOTE="strawhatlupi"]"good"? not necessarily, you do know that xbox 360 games are tied to the xbox 360 system. unless owner whos 360 got RROD don't mind having their 360 game collection turned into crappy paper weight, they are force to reinvest to buy another unreliableunit.Senor_Kami

[QUOTE="Senor_Kami"][QUOTE="strawhatlupi"]"good"? not necessarily, you do know that xbox 360 games are tied to the xbox 360 system. unless owner whos 360 got RROD don't mind having their 360 game collection turned into crappy paper weight, they are force to reinvest to buy another unreliableunit.strawhatlupi

[QUOTE="jun_aka_pekto"]

Besides, gamers have been giving up their rights anyway. I for one preferred LAN gaming on the PC because of the freedom to set up any multiplayer without the need for online access or having to use corporate servers not under my control. Once LAN multiplayer was dropped and replaced by online gaming, I quit multiplayer out of principle. Yet, no one else seems to care. They gladly took up online MP. So now, all this talk about freedoms being curtailed (by the XB1) is just a sham. Gamers already have been giving up their freedoms.   

strawhatlupi

If people can get over the disappearance of LAN support, then they can get over the disappearance of used games.

It's clear to me people will put up with a lot of things just to play games. So long as the games are worth it to them, I don't think they'll care.

[QUOTE="IshmaelSonata"]

[QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"] I hate to break it you and the rest of system wars, but five years from now there will be no such thing as a games console, and no company will be exclusively tailoring their products to 'gamers'. There will be more or less no such thing as a 'gamer'. Ninja-Hippo

ANd on why do you say that? It's a very interesting position to take, since more and more people are gaming today than a decade ago, the growth of E-sports has been tremendous.

Music, TV and movies have already moved back towards entertainment as a service, not a product that you can buy and own. Netflix, iTunes, Kindle, Sky - they're all already there. Gaming is going there too. The industry wants its property back. It wants everything stores to a cloud that it will allow you access to in exchange for a subscription fee. The days of you actually owning pieces of entertainment are numbered. From now on it will be a service that is provisioned to you.

That's point number one. But point number two - gaming is completely unsustainable. Gamers need to get a grip on reality. Right now they want Microsoft and Sony to produce a box which has cutting-edge graphics which is tailor made exclusively to gamers. They want it to have better graphics than the PC, they will complain if it endeavours to appeal to a broader audience other than themselves, they refuse to pay more than $400 for it and when they do buy one they'd prefer to buy the games second hand. Nintendo already figured out years ago that it cant keep going on like that with better graphics which cost more and more to produce and take bigger and bigger hits on losses in making the hardware.

I think your points are solid, however, when you extrapolate these points into broad statements, they sound very questionable. In any case, I can agree that the medium for gaming is evolving and will continue to do so. What it means for Console and PC gaming remains to be seen. 

Btw, just because MS and Sony is taking a loss on producing hardware doesn't make the console industry unsustainable. The industry makes so much money on software that companies are more than willing to take a loss on hardware. Also, the hardware costs for the PS4 and xbox one is much much lower when compared to the Ps3 and xbox 360.

[QUOTE="strawhatlupi"][QUOTE="jun_aka_pekto"]

Besides, gamers have been giving up their rights anyway. I for one preferred LAN gaming on the PC because of the freedom to set up any multiplayer without the need for online access or having to use corporate servers not under my control. Once LAN multiplayer was dropped and replaced by online gaming, I quit multiplayer out of principle. Yet, no one else seems to care. They gladly took up online MP. So now, all this talk about freedoms being curtailed (by the XB1) is just a sham. Gamers already have been giving up their freedoms.   

jun_aka_pekto

If people can get over the disappearance of LAN support, then they can get over the disappearance of used games.

It's clear to me people will put up with a lot of things just to play games. So long as the games are worth it to them, I don't think they'll care.

I 100% agree with Topic Title.

I hope gamers world wide can agree with this. I supported the XBOX & XBOX360, but I can't in good conscience support the XB1. It's a shame, because I love me some Halo & Gears... but if I have to go without then so be it.

I said before that I'd get a XB1 down the road in a few years. I've changed my mind on that. With MS current plans, things as they are, NOPE... no way, NEVER!

The US government has a number of large corporations they are "allowed" to get personal information from... guess who is on that list? Yup, Microsoft. M$ says they won't be always listening or watching... and then as a disclaimer says they can change their policy whenever they like.

I'm no criminal, but I'll be damned if I'm just going to spend $1000's of dollars on a system, that lets me pay to play online, whilst shoving ads down my throat... and potentially spying on me. NO THANK YOU!

If they were to drop that fee requirement, I'd buy it. Also There's a price rise in XBL?if that's the case then I won't buy an XBO period, 60$ was more than plenty considering its just culmination of a bunch of services like Netflix, Xbox video, and Hulu which all cost money anyway. ALso I wish they would make a disc required to play the game. That way I don't have to connect to the internet once per hour. Sure have a one time verification that's fine but honestly I don't care if I have to switch discs. the XBO essentially is a gimped PC with XBL being a crap Steam. mayceV

[QUOTE="mayceV"]If they were to drop that fee requirement, I'd buy it. Also There's a price rise in XBL?if that's the case then I won't buy an XBO period, 60$ was more than plenty considering its just culmination of a bunch of services like Netflix, Xbox video, and Hulu which all cost money anyway. ALso I wish they would make a disc required to play the game. That way I don't have to connect to the internet once per hour. Sure have a one time verification that's fine but honestly I don't care if I have to switch discs. the XBO essentially is a gimped PC with XBL being a crap Steam. SunnyLollipop

[QUOTE="mayceV"]If they were to drop that fee requirement, I'd buy it. Also There's a price rise in XBL?if that's the case then I won't buy an XBO period, 60$ was more than plenty considering its just culmination of a bunch of services like Netflix, Xbox video, and Hulu which all cost money anyway. ALso I wish they would make a disc required to play the game. That way I don't have to connect to the internet once per hour. Sure have a one time verification that's fine but honestly I don't care if I have to switch discs. the XBO essentially is a gimped PC with XBL being a crap Steam. SunnyLollipop

you sound like a douchebag, opinion invalid.

I think your points are solid, however, when you extrapolate these points into broad statements, they sound very questionable. In any case, I can agree that the medium for gaming is evolving and will continue to do so. What it means for Console and PC gaming remains to be seen. 

Btw, just because MS and Sony is taking a loss on producing hardware doesn't make the console industry unsustainable. The industry makes so much money on software that companies are more than willing to take a loss on hardware. Also, the hardware costs for the PS4 and xbox one is much much lower when compared to the Ps3 and xbox 360.

IshmaelSonata

If the DRM and used game fee nonsense is kept then I agree.

The Xbox 1 needs to change its ways, not flop.

Maroxad

for me to want MS to stay alive, they would have to change a lot of their ways including past things from 360 and even the first one.  Xbox is just not very good. Xbox one is downright laughable.

[QUOTE="Maroxad"]

The Xbox 1 needs to change its ways, not flop.

NaveedLife

for me to want MS to stay alive, they would have to change a lot of their ways including past things from 360 and even the first one.  Xbox is just not very good. Xbox one is downright laughable.

I am not liking the idea of this new xbox console it is so anti consumer and is full of restrictions and extra charges for xbox live AGAIN!!! before it was worth the money because its online gaming was a lot more smooth and had voice chat etc but all the others have caught up but still offer the service for free so Microsoft needs to show us how xbox live is better then the others this time round again and why its worth the money because I can not see any advantages to it.

All this DRM, you don't own the game just the licence to play it, no pre owned games unless you pay a fee its disgusting what they are trying to do with the gaming industry but if they succeed this will then become the norm which will only open for more restrictions and it will get worse and worse. 

Gamers need to say no at some point and this is it we need to say no to these restrictions and need to say no buy voting with our wallets. Microsoft will not fall under if their new console fails but it will force them to rethink how they treat their consumers and it will force others in the industry who will see the Xbox ONE demise and not follow down the same path.

It needs to flop for gamers rights in the future. 

ziggyww

I am not liking the idea of this new xbox console it is so anti consumer and is full of restrictions and extra charges for xbox live AGAIN!!! before it was worth the money because its online gaming was a lot more smooth and had voice chat etc but all the others have caught up but still offer the service for free so Microsoft needs to show us how xbox live is better then the others this time round again and why its worth the money because I can not see any advantages to it.

All this DRM, you don't own the game just the licence to play it, no pre owned games unless you pay a fee its disgusting what they are trying to do with the gaming industry but if they succeed this will then become the norm which will only open for more restrictions and it will get worse and worse. 

Gamers need to say no at some point and this is it we need to say no to these restrictions and need to say no buy voting with our wallets. Microsoft will not fall under if their new console fails but it will force them to rethink how they treat their consumers and it will force others in the industry who will see the Xbox ONE demise and not follow down the same path.

It needs to flop for gamers rights in the future. 

ziggyww

[QUOTE="ziggyww"]

I am not liking the idea of this new xbox console it is so anti consumer and is full of restrictions and extra charges for xbox live AGAIN!!! before it was worth the money because its online gaming was a lot more smooth and had voice chat etc but all the others have caught up but still offer the service for free so Microsoft needs to show us how xbox live is better then the others this time round again and why its worth the money because I can not see any advantages to it.

All this DRM, you don't own the game just the licence to play it, no pre owned games unless you pay a fee its disgusting what they are trying to do with the gaming industry but if they succeed this will then become the norm which will only open for more restrictions and it will get worse and worse. 

Gamers need to say no at some point and this is it we need to say no to these restrictions and need to say no buy voting with our wallets. Microsoft will not fall under if their new console fails but it will force them to rethink how they treat their consumers and it will force others in the industry who will see the Xbox ONE demise and not follow down the same path.

It needs to flop for gamers rights in the future. 

blackace

[QUOTE="SolidTy"]

I will probably get the Xbox Two/Xbox 2/Xbox 4/Xbox 1080 because that will be their return to form for gamers.

Ninja-Hippo

I respect that you believe that, but I don't. Not even for a second.

This also won't be the last Xbox, that's just marketing hooplah. It could be the last Xbox if the Xbone fails and they don't want to try again, but it won't be the last Xbone if it's successful. The hardware will become severly outdated, technology will continue to evolve. Giant corporations like Nvidia, IBM, AMD, etc will keep pushing hardware. The PS4/Xb one/ Wii U will be old and phased out. There will be successors to pander to the growing audience of gamers (every generation this audience grows). This could be the last machines from the console manufacturers that we recognize, if sales don't pan out, but there will be successors even if they come from different companies. There are kids playing games today that will grow up making games tomorrow. As far as the idea there won't be a gamer, I've said for years that eventually gaming will be mainstream enough that it will be up there with the TV and Movie audiences. However, gaming will still be thriving.

Your belief, as my belief, is all speculation so perhaps in a decade we can revisit the thoughts on this matter.

[QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"][QUOTE="SolidTy"]

I will probably get the Xbox Two/Xbox 2/Xbox 4/Xbox 1080 because that will be their return to form for gamers.

SolidTy

I respect that you believe that, but I don't. Not even for a second.

This also won't be the last Xbox, that's just marketing hooplah. It could be the last Xbox if the Xbone fails and they don't want to try again, but it won't be the last Xbone if it's successful. The hardware will become severly outdated, technology will continue to evolve. Giant corporations like Nvidia, IBM, AMD, etc will keep pushing hardware. The PS4/Xb one/ Wii U will be old and phased out. There will be successors to pander to the growing audience of gamers (every generation this audience grows). This could be the last machines from the console manufacturers that we recognize, if sales don't pan out, but there will be successors even if they come from different companies. There are kids playing games today that will grow up making games tomorrow. As far as the idea there won't be a gamer, I've said for years that eventually gaming will be mainstream enough that it will be up there with the TV and Movie audiences. However, gaming will still be thriving.

Your belief, as my belief, is all speculation so perhaps in a decade we can revisit the thoughts on this matter.

If the XboxOne is a success, then God help us all

I never want gaming systems to fail but I will make an exception. I want this shit to tank hard.

sw = drama queens.

oh the consumer rights!

oh the anti consumer!

oh the orwellian nightmare of nineteen eightyfourish proportions!

oh my dong privacy!

oh the humanity!

:cry: won't somebody think of the children?!?!

I dont want any system to flop, hell thats a bad thing to wish. People could lose their Jobs.

Also Competition is, what drives the industry

[QUOTE="SolidTy"]

[QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"] I hate to break it you and the rest of system wars, but five years from now there will be no such thing as a games console, and no company will be exclusively tailoring their products to 'gamers'. There will be more or less no such thing as a 'gamer'. Zaibach

I respect that you believe that, but I don't. Not even for a second.

This also won't be the last Xbox, that's just marketing hooplah. It could be the last Xbox if the Xbone fails and they don't want to try again, but it won't be the last Xbone if it's successful. The hardware will become severly outdated, technology will continue to evolve. Giant corporations like Nvidia, IBM, AMD, etc will keep pushing hardware. The PS4/Xb one/ Wii U will be old and phased out. There will be successors to pander to the growing audience of gamers (every generation this audience grows). This could be the last machines from the console manufacturers that we recognize, if sales don't pan out, but there will be successors even if they come from different companies. There are kids playing games today that will grow up making games tomorrow. As far as the idea there won't be a gamer, I've said for years that eventually gaming will be mainstream enough that it will be up there with the TV and Movie audiences. However, gaming will still be thriving.

Your belief, as my belief, is all speculation so perhaps in a decade we can revisit the thoughts on this matter.

[QUOTE="SunnyLollipop"]

It won't. Expect Xbox One to lead the next-generation. Just because you forum fools are against it doesn't mean nobody else is going to buy one. The amount of Halo fans alone are going to sell a few million systems - enough to get Third party support - enough to sell more systems and thus the cycle repeats until BAM - 100M units sold. I hope you have fun with your PS4 though! I know it can be exciting owning a new console for a while. I know I will love my Xbox One and have no reason not to!!

ziggyww

Meh, here in America we've got a 16 trillion+ national debt. Pretty sure we're not much concerned with the fates of future generations, lol.

Xbox One final destiny. :P

Xbox One final destiny. :P

dr_jashugan

There are millions upon millions of offline gamers and Halo fans worldwide that won't be able to play or buy the Xbone because of the required Broadband internet.

SolidTy

 it is incredibly moronic to completely disregard an entire segment of the population because of narrowminded business policies.

[QUOTE="Maroxad"]

The Xbox 1 needs to change its ways, not flop.

NaveedLife

for me to want MS to stay alive, they would have to change a lot of their ways including past things from 360 and even the first one.  Xbox is just not very good. Xbox one is downright laughable.

It won't fail. The average consumer is pretty stupid. The only thing you could do is not buy it yourself and inform the people around you who you know that use their brains.kuraimen

[QUOTE="SunnyLollipop"]

It won't. Expect Xbox One to lead the next-generation. Just because you forum fools are against it doesn't mean nobody else is going to buy one. The amount of Halo fans alone are going to sell a few million systems - enough to get Third party support - enough to sell more systems and thus the cycle repeats until BAM - 100M units sold. I hope you have fun with your PS4 though! I know it can be exciting owning a new console for a while. I know I will love my Xbox One and have no reason not to!!

ziggyww

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and im hopin they launch on the same exact day i know it would make alot of shoppers jealous

It will sell well anyway since the casuals and uninformed will gobble it up. There are far more of those than there are people like us who post on forums and care about this kind of stuff.BPoole96

Would a casual really pay 500 for this x.x ?

The Xbox 1 needs to change its ways, not flop.

Maroxad

I'd rather see a consumer friendly console than a flop.

Unfortunately, the xbox one isn't friendly.

oh shut up you overdramatic tool.MBirdy88

I am getting a PS4 but will still get a XB1 as well. I might not agree with all of MS's decisions, but it's all about the games for me. Because of this, I know that there will be plenty of games over the next generation that will be exclusive to the platform that I will want to play. There is already a few that I can think of.