Xbox 360: 70-Percent Failure Rate?!?

But what about the disc read errors, yellow light of death, and plain old shutting down and not turning back on issues that are being discovered all over the 40gb and 80gb PS3's?

Why did the 360 outsell the PS3 every single month of the last half of last year?

What will you say if the 360 continues to outsell the PS3 this year? In 4 days we will know whether or not the PS3 managed to outsell the 360 for 2 months in a row. Unfortunately, Microsoft already said it would have hardware shortages throughout March so even these numbers mean little.

And one more thing, how many of those 170 titles are going to even be A games?

The PS3 is fine, its a fun system. I own a 60gb and have had little problems with it. But to say that the gaming experience is better than that on the Xbox 360, or even the Wii now for that matter, is seriously false.

First of all Sony made a hardware revision on the PS3 because of the high production cost and lack of sales with the high price so they removed the PS2 chipset, so certain things had to be re-done and afterwards problems occurred mostly with the 40gig model due to that revision, when a problem occurred with the 80gig model it was with the software emulator being used for the backwards compatibility since the PS2 chip set removal, from what i've heard it equated to a mere 3% of consoles but has since been rectified and both models are working with little or no problems.

However the most problem free sought after model now is the one we have which is the 60gig model since it still has the PS2 chipset making every PS2 game and some PS1 games compatible plus it has more sd-card and usb ports in it then it's 80gig or 40gig counterparts but as of now it is near impossible to find a new one, just a refurb at your local game store.

First of all Sony made a hardware revision on the PS3 because of the high production cost and lack of sales with the high price so they removed the PS2 chipset, so certain things had to be re-done and afterwards problems occurred mostly with the 40gig model due to that revision, when a problem occurred with the 80gig model it was with the software emulator being used for the backwards compatibility since the PS2 chip set removal, from what i've heard it equated to a mere 3% of consoles but has since been rectified and both models are working with little or no problems.

However the most problem free sought after model now is the one we have which is the 60gig model since it still has the PS2 chipset making every PS2 game and some PS1 games compatible plus it has more sd-card and usb ports in it then it's 80gig or 40gig counterparts but as of now it is near impossible to find a new one, just a refurb at your local game store.

PS3nut

Unfortunately the problems had little or nothing to do with the PS2 Emotion Engine being in the PS3. How Sony lowered the price as quickly as they did is very simple if you think about it. Cheaper parts.

40gb PS3's no doubt have plastic parts where their 60gb/20gb cousins had metal ones. That is the only way to explain the frequent and huge price changes since launch. The cheapening of parts is what is causing the disc-read errors, yellow light of death, and whatever else may be happening.

I wanted to get one for Ninja Gaiden 2 and Too Human, but no way i am gonna buy something this hazardous.

I know some peoples having the same problems with their 360 hardwares, it's not an isolated issue anymore.

[QUOTE="PS3nut"]

AHH, so nice to hear from you, however i'm afraid your wasting your time with these 360 sheep, they've all spent their money blindly and have no more to spend on the real console of choice our beloved PS3.

They will no doubt reply to your thread completely ignoring the facts about the failure quantities and instead reply with a 360 list of games released thus far and the sales figures included with that. So unfortunately your post is falling on deaf ears here, believe me i tried but their just a bunch of little teeny bops that think they know about consoles and games.

Where as i have been gaming for over 30 years and still these little boys have the nerve to try and debate and educate me, but i however appreciate your post and the facts listed along with it, since facts are a refreshing change here because 360 fanboys don't have any all they have are sales quotas, they don't care about hardware quality as well as good games.

Even though to this day the PS-2 has had the best video games ever realeased on any console and completely dominated the original Xbox, and gamecube as well as the 2007 holiday season, these 360 sheeps stil believe a software company can come and pull the rug out from an already established video game console producing giant like Sony...makes ya' laugh when ya' think about it, what can you do except shake your head and mutter to yourself, kids-kids kids, you'll understand when your older.

TheSystemLord1

If a random internet poll counts as facts of the PS3's dominance why can't NPD reported sales numbers count as evidence of the 360's dominance?

:?

World Wide sales come first :|

World Wide sales come first :|

thrones

Heh, I was waiting for that. Look at the 360's sales in America, and what the difference is between it and the PS3. Then count up the PS3's sales from Japan and the UK. The 360's American sales outsold the worldwide sales of the PS3 in the last few months of last year.

Soo....I just polled the 5 guys in a Gears of War room: (case-sensitivity may be off):

AcE Miami Fire

Pretti Boi (my brother mentioned in previous posts)

Diamonds

|BroW|

TRAGEDYo

--------------------------POLL RESULTS-----------------------------

100% failures

ACE is on his 3rd

My brother? see previous posts.

BroW, Diamonds and Tragedy are on their 2nd 360's each. All RROD.

I swear to God...you 360 fanboi's don't want me to go through my friends list and poll. You won't like the results.

[QUOTE="mattbbpl"][QUOTE="EmperorSupreme"]

People forget it's a design issue so **all** X360s have the defect. It's only a matter of when not "if" you get the RROD.

What people forget as well is that there is no "fix" to the issue. So even if you send it in and get one back it's really not "fixed" it's just currently working. That's the reason for many people going thru several consoles.

EmperorSupreme

People who post this always make me laugh, because they obviously have no idea what a design defect is.

Design defects are in fact issues and they can be resolved. A design defect can be a wide range of issues. In this case, it is a heat dissipation/chip retention issue which can be resolved in a myriad of ways such as improved heatsinks, increased airflow, transistor size reduction, methods of holding the chip in place, or any combination thereof.

Well then why hasn't it been fixed?? And why are people with replacement consoles also getting the RROD twice, three times or more?? It's been two years now. Heres why.. Not Fixed

If you ask me, the real situation here is like the automobile industry when a vehicle is discovered to have a design flaw. It's cheaper for the company to wait and just pay the wrongful death lawsuits, as they pop up, than it is to recall and repair every unit that they've sold.

Recalling every defective 360 that's been sold to date (that's all of them so far) would guarantee Microsoft's total demise in the console gaming industry. It's cheaper for them to just fix 'em as they break.

It's also possible that they get a huge tax write-off because of RRoD's so they can actually end up profiting off of their own mistake... Now, that is a beautiful thing indeed...

[QUOTE="EmperorSupreme"][QUOTE="mattbbpl"][QUOTE="EmperorSupreme"]

People forget it's a design issue so **all** X360s have the defect. It's only a matter of when not "if" you get the RROD.

What people forget as well is that there is no "fix" to the issue. So even if you send it in and get one back it's really not "fixed" it's just currently working. That's the reason for many people going thru several consoles.

67gt500

People who post this always make me laugh, because they obviously have no idea what a design defect is.

Design defects are in fact issues and they can be resolved. A design defect can be a wide range of issues. In this case, it is a heat dissipation/chip retention issue which can be resolved in a myriad of ways such as improved heatsinks, increased airflow, transistor size reduction, methods of holding the chip in place, or any combination thereof.

Well then why hasn't it been fixed?? And why are people with replacement consoles also getting the RROD twice, three times or more?? It's been two years now. Heres why.. Not Fixed

If you ask me, the real situation here is like the automobile industry when a vehicle is discovered to have a design flaw. It's cheaper for the company to wait and just pay the wrongful death lawsuits, as they pop up, than it is to recall and repair every unit that they've sold.

Recalling every defective 360 that's been sold to date (that's all of them so far) would guarantee Microsoft's total demise in the console gaming industry. It's cheaper for them to just fix 'em as they break.

It's also possible that they get a huge tax write-off because of RRoD's so they can actually end up profiting off of their own mistake... Now, that is a beautiful thing indeed...

Terrible example. In the auto industry, if there's an issue (Ford/Bridgestone in the late 90s with tires blowing and Explorers flipping) the Feds will step in if the company won't do something.

Because loss of life is taken very seriously 'round here.

[QUOTE="67gt500"][QUOTE="EmperorSupreme"][QUOTE="mattbbpl"][QUOTE="EmperorSupreme"]

People forget it's a design issue so **all** X360s have the defect. It's only a matter of when not "if" you get the RROD.

What people forget as well is that there is no "fix" to the issue. So even if you send it in and get one back it's really not "fixed" it's just currently working. That's the reason for many people going thru several consoles.

Dreams-Visions

People who post this always make me laugh, because they obviously have no idea what a design defect is.

Design defects are in fact issues and they can be resolved. A design defect can be a wide range of issues. In this case, it is a heat dissipation/chip retention issue which can be resolved in a myriad of ways such as improved heatsinks, increased airflow, transistor size reduction, methods of holding the chip in place, or any combination thereof.

Well then why hasn't it been fixed?? And why are people with replacement consoles also getting the RROD twice, three times or more?? It's been two years now. Heres why.. Not Fixed

If you ask me, the real situation here is like the automobile industry when a vehicle is discovered to have a design flaw. It's cheaper for the company to wait and just pay the wrongful death lawsuits, as they pop up, than it is to recall and repair every unit that they've sold.

Recalling every defective 360 that's been sold to date (that's all of them so far) would guarantee Microsoft's total demise in the console gaming industry. It's cheaper for them to just fix 'em as they break.

It's also possible that they get a huge tax write-off because of RRoD's so they can actually end up profiting off of their own mistake... Now, that is a beautiful thing indeed...

Terrible example. In the auto industry, if there's an issue (Ford/Bridgestone in the late 90s with tires blowing and Explorers flipping) the Feds will step in if the company won't do something.

Because loss of life is taken very seriously 'round here.

By extending the warranty, Microsoft is perceived as doing something. RRoD can't be compared to loss of life (well, ok - maybe to some people it might seem the same...) But it's that same kind of corporate thinking at work.

Don't forget that Ford had a scapegoat in that situation, namely Bridgestone... it wasn't Ford who took that one on the chin, it was the tire company. Ford got to pony-up and look like heroes who actually had their customer's better interests at heart. Bridgestone didn't fare so well - they had to pay $440 Million in recall related expenses - $240 Million of which went to Ford.

Ironically, Microsoft can't blame anyone else for 360's epic, abyssmal failure rate - they designed the thing themselves...

[QUOTE="PS3nut"]

Why ? because sales are made based on whats available first in the national market, you don't really believe that if either the roles were reversed and the PS3 got to be released first or if they were even both released at the same time that the 360 would still have the lead do you ? Come on the only reason the 360 has had the dominant sales is because it arrived a year ahead of the PS3 and therefore was the only next gen system to choose from, so it's not a case of console superiority, it's a case of lack of choices in 2005, but here we are in 2008 and now the 360 has sold 17 million units to the PS3's 10 million, meaning after only a year and not even half as many games in it's library the PS3 has closed the gap to 7 million.

Why ? because the word is out on the lousy, unreliable hardware microsoft has built and the reliable hardware Sony has built plus the near 170 titles announced in Playstation magazine to be released this year alone on the PS3. So enjoy the sales lead for now both 360 and Wii fanboys, because by this time next year it will not exist.

TheSystemLord1

But what about the disc read errors, yellow light of death, and plain old shutting down and not turning back on issues that are being discovered all over the 40gb and 80gb PS3's?

Why did the 360 outsell the PS3 every single month of the last half of last year?

What will you say if the 360 continues to outsell the PS3 this year? In 4 days we will know whether or not the PS3 managed to outsell the 360 for 2 months in a row. Unfortunately, Microsoft already said it would have hardware shortages throughout March so even these numbers mean little.

And one more thing, how many of those 170 titles are going to even be A games?

The PS3 is fine, its a fun system. I own a 60gb and have had little problems with it. But to say that the gaming experience is better than that on the Xbox 360, or even the Wii now for that matter, is seriously false.

360's currently are back in stock. So in March, they likely can't make excuses. The Wii and DS are the only things Out of Stock.

Soo....I just polled the 5 guys in a Gears of War room: (case-sensitivity may be off):

AcE Miami Fire

Pretti Boi (my brother mentioned in previous posts)

Diamonds

|BroW|

TRAGEDYo

--------------------------POLL RESULTS-----------------------------

100% failures

ACE is on his 3rd

My brother? see previous posts.

BroW, Diamonds and Tragedy are on their 2nd 360's each. All RROD.

I swear to God...you 360 fanboi's don't want me to go through my friends list and poll. You won't like the results.

Dreams-Visions

Go ahead and do it. Your friends obviously abuse their 360's.

[QUOTE="Dreams-Visions"]

Soo....I just polled the 5 guys in a Gears of War room: (case-sensitivity may be off):

AcE Miami Fire

Pretti Boi (my brother mentioned in previous posts)

Diamonds

|BroW|

TRAGEDYo

--------------------------POLL RESULTS-----------------------------

100% failures

ACE is on his 3rd

My brother? see previous posts.

BroW, Diamonds and Tragedy are on their 2nd 360's each. All RROD.

I swear to God...you 360 fanboi's don't want me to go through my friends list and poll. You won't like the results.

kryloc

Go ahead and do it. Your friends obviously abuse their 360's.

* face-palms * This statement always makes me laugh... The console has a built-in defect which practically guarantees that it will fail... it's not a matter of IF... it's a matter of WHEN... both of my 360's have been replaced by Microsoft and I take impeccable care of them... to even imply that 360's are crapping out because of owner mis-use is laughable... to be fair, I'm sure that some RRoD could be attributed to that, but I'm willing to bet that the vast majority of them were well cared for. They're not exactly inexpensive, after all...

Microsoft clearly had to have cut funding on testers before they released the 360....

my 360 just died today and to be honost i would rather have 400$ back then get a replacement one because i know in 6 months time the replacement one will die toBlackfriend8

Actually, both of my re-furbs have been performing great... no problems to speak of, and one of them has been going strong for more than a year now... luck of the draw I guess...

Internet polls on a gaming site would definitely be an accurate and decisive way to find out. Im glad you posted this. JPOBS

[QUOTE="JPOBS"]Internet polls on a gaming site would definitely be an accurate and decisive way to find out. Im glad you posted this. DaGamingGod

lol he was being sarcastic even i could tell that, i have 2 360's and neither have failed and all my friends have an 360 that has never failed except one, its failed 3 times and for his trouble hes gotten over 200 dollars worth of free ms points.

Hmmm, 70% and internet poll

10% = the TRUE 360 failures

30% = bitter PS3 fanboys that have nothing to play, and look around the net to bash 360

30% = the second account of the above PS3 fanboys

= 70%

See how it goes ?

3000 is not a big enough sample. Plus it's an internet pole. Anyone can vote, inlcuding Xbox haters.Marka1700

Actually only xbox haters, and people with a problem vote in these polls, defiantly rarely peole that had no issues with 360

Design architecture flaw = 100% prone to fail right?fierro316

thats right a design mess up means 100% failure of those units all ways because if heat is the cause all 360's will eventually come againest heat that will make that design flaw fail.
But this is not the case infact the problem is this...soddering points many 360's have been proven to fail because of these the design of the system is such that extra preasure is put on these points and heat gets hot enough to make these soft and they pop thus a failure, this is not a design flaw this is a manufacturing flaw which means some of the units are soddered right, and some are not.

Design architecture flaw = 100% prone to fail right?fierro316

Only on 2005 / 2006 units, and no, it was not an architectural flaw, it was a manufacturing issue. In order to be ROHS compliant, the 360 uses lead-free solder, which unfortunately does not expand / contract as well as classic solder. The end result was that earlier-model 360s could have joints fail.

The solution has been a cooling and chipset remodel (mostly complete as of late 2007 / early 2008), but even then, the 360's failure rate has been greatly exaggerated. For example, the Wii has rather surprising launch unit issues with the GPU, and more recently Brawl has been exposing some laser-lens dirt / alignment issues (Nintendo informs you not to clean it yourself, most likely because in many units it may be an alignment issue) - yet we don't see the same negative press.

With some good PR, you'd instead hear "some Xbox 360's fail - because Microsoft cares about the environment".

People forget it's a design issue so **all** X360s have the defect. It's only a matter of when not "if" you get the RROD.

Microsoft themselves has admitted this.

http://www.fastsilicon.com/latest-news/microsoft-admits-all-xbox360s-are-defective.html

What people forget as well is that there is no "fix" to the issue. So even if you send it in and get one back it's really not "fixed" it's just currently working. That's the reason for many people going thru several consoles.

EmperorSupreme

Best reply of the century....