Xbox 360 already ahead with two AAA ( 9.5 ) in its bag for 2011 .

he said he could list all of the ps3 exclusives. then you said AAA...so yea, that's why i said AAA 360 exclusivesUNcartMe

Well, he only listed Gears 3 and said it's the only 360 exclusive so it's fair to say he was only talking about AAAE games.

Huh, for a minute there I thought the big wigs at GS over ruled the reviewers mugging of Forza 4 and changed the score to what it should have been...

9.5 !!! :P

Huh, for a minute there I thought the big wigs at GS over ruled the reviewers mugging of Forza 4 and changed the score to what it should have been...

9.5 !!! :P

SecretPolice

I'll give you a rundown of how it works here:

1) Multiplat do not count.

2.) Remakes do not count unless it can be proven that the gamplay has changed enough to differentiate itself from the original. Therefore being an exlcusive title. Graphics changes/upgrades do not count as gameplay changes.

3.) The OVERALL number of high scoring exclusives a system has determines who "wins" in the System Wars meta game. High scoring = A-AAAA (7.0-10).

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https://spreadsheets.google.com/spreadsheet/pub?key=0AriQpIFbPoEacGM1b0xxcGVucFQ3OFc4N3BNZmd2QkE&gid=0

They don´t count as exclusives simply because they´re already on the PS2.Arach666

hd remakes are not merely "ports" and to classify them as such is completely absurd.

[QUOTE="Arach666"]They don´t count as exclusives simply because they´re already on the PS2.arbitor365

hd remakes are not merely "ports" and to classify them as such is completely absurd.

ahead? lol

metacritic

ps3

mlb11 --------------- 90

lbp2 ----------------- 92

team ico ----------- 92

killzone 3 ---------- 84

infamous 2 -------- 83

resistance 3 -------- 83

god of war origins -- 85

disgaea 4 ----------- 82

tomb raider trilogy -- 78

yakuza 4 ------------- 78

motorstorm apocolypse 77

-----------------------------------------------

xbox

gears 3 ----- 91

forza 4 ------ 92

gunstringer ----- 76

fruit ninja kinect --- 71

-----------------------------------------------

ps3 = quality and quantity

arbitor365

Collections don't count on SW, otherwise Metroid Prime Trilogy would pwn everything.:P

As for the rest, Flopza 4 is at 91 on MC and LBP2 has a higher MC than both Gears 3 and Flopza 4 if that means anything.:P

forza 4 ------ 92

arbitor365

PS3 has LBP2 , Dark Souls and Dead Space 2 :o surprise i knowlpeeass

Dead Space 2 is not on 360 ?

Also 360 has Witcher 2, Mass Effect 3 with Kinect and the best Skyrim and Dark SOuls versions

Halo CE could be a 10/10 too

Halo CE could be a 10/10 too

loosingENDS

No way in hell.

[QUOTE="lpeeass"]PS3 has LBP2 , Dark Souls and Dead Space 2 :o surprise i knowloosingENDS

Dead Space 2 is not on 360 ?

Also 360 has Witcher 2, Mass Effect 3 with Kinect and the best Skyrim and Dark SOuls versions

Halo CE could be a 10/10 too

[QUOTE="loosingENDS"]

[QUOTE="lpeeass"]PS3 has LBP2 , Dark Souls and Dead Space 2 :o surprise i knowianuilliam

Dead Space 2 is not on 360 ?

Also 360 has Witcher 2, Mass Effect 3 with Kinect and the best Skyrim and Dark SOuls versions

Halo CE could be a 10/10 too

Halo CE is not Halo HD, it is a remake, not the old game in HD

ICO collection games are not remakes, just the old ones in HD

So, we're deciding to ignore all the AAEs the PS3 received this year?Stevo_the_gamer

[QUOTE="ianuilliam"]

[QUOTE="loosingENDS"]

Dead Space 2 is not on 360 ?

Also 360 has Witcher 2, Mass Effect 3 with Kinect and the best Skyrim and Dark SOuls versions

Halo CE could be a 10/10 too

loosingENDS

Halo CE is not Halo HD, it is a remake, not the old game in HD

ICO collection games are not remakes, just the old ones in HD

Yeah... except no. Halo Anniversary is Halo CE, the same game from Xbox, with new graphics. The extent to which they have upgrade the graphics is greater than the extent that the HD collections do, but it's not a new game, and personally, I'd rather get 2-3 clasic games remastered for $40 then get 1 clasic game with re-made graphics for $40. Just sayin.

ianuilliam

Exactly, it's been remade from the ground up with new graphics. REMADE. They didn't just "port" Halo CE and upscaled the resolution to HD. They completely went in and redid the sound design, and graphical design.

You honestly think that's comparable to a simple HD port? :?

So, we're deciding to ignore all the AAEs the PS3 received this year?Stevo_the_gamer

[QUOTE="ianuilliam"]

Yeah... except no. Halo Anniversary is Halo CE, the same game from Xbox, with new graphics. The extent to which they have upgrade the graphics is greater than the extent that the HD collections do, but it's not a new game, and personally, I'd rather get 2-3 clasic games remastered for $40 then get 1 clasic game with re-made graphics for $40. Just sayin.

Stevo_the_gamer

Exactly, it's been remade from the ground up with new graphics. REMADE. They didn't just "port" Halo CE and upscaled the resolution to HD. They completely went in and redid the sound design, and graphical design.

You honestly think that's comparable to a simple HD port? :?

[QUOTE="ianuilliam"]

Yeah... except no. Halo Anniversary is Halo CE, the same game from Xbox, with new graphics. The extent to which they have upgrade the graphics is greater than the extent that the HD collections do, but it's not a new game, and personally, I'd rather get 2-3 clasic games remastered for $40 then get 1 clasic game with re-made graphics for $40. Just sayin.

Stevo_the_gamer

Exactly, it's been remade from the ground up with new graphics. REMADE. They didn't just "port" Halo CE and upscaled the resolution to HD. They completely went in and redid the sound design, and graphical design.

You honestly think that's comparable to a simple HD port? :?

No, like I said, it's been upgraded graphically much more than the HD collections are. But its still the exact same game. Ninja Gaiden Sigma is WAAAAY more than just an HD remastered port... it's a complete HD remake, with added content... but it's still not counted as an exclusive here.

ianuilliam

Its just wrong . M/S is again milking us ...

Microsoft should've re-made both Halo 1 & Halo 2 and sold it as a single package . No sense in purchasing a single 10 year old game for 40 $ .

See SONY they remastering and porting Two - Three games in a package ( God of War Volume I & II , Ico & SOTC , Metal Gear Trilogy , Prince of Persia Trilogy , Splinter Cell , Sly Cooper Trilogy ) . price 35 $ - 40 $ for three games . Thats what i call a good deal .

Dark Souls was made for the PS3. Namco Bandai just published it for the 2 systems because they wanted to make more money internationally so it's only a multi platform in NA and Europe I believe but it's a world wide platform for the PS3. Not sure if the P2P multiplayer style was the developers idea or Namco's but it certainly is hurting the game that being one of it's key elements. Also not all PS3 games are released for NA and they certainly are for xbox so this isn't even a fair comparison for the xbox has the advantage in it's own country and the other consoles are still considered competition? you're making the xbox look bad o_o...

People in NA mostly love 2 types of games which are the ones that sell the most, Shooters and adventures. You add a little bit of RPG elements to vary and it'll sell in here. Japan keeps their more unique games over there and doesn't bother publishing it to NA. Even Europe gets more of those games than us.

[QUOTE="ianuilliam"]

Yeah... except no. Halo Anniversary is Halo CE, the same game from Xbox, with new graphics. The extent to which they have upgrade the graphics is greater than the extent that the HD collections do, but it's not a new game, and personally, I'd rather get 2-3 clasic games remastered for $40 then get 1 clasic game with re-made graphics for $40. Just sayin.

Stevo_the_gamer

Exactly, it's been remade from the ground up with new graphics. REMADE. They didn't just "port" Halo CE and upscaled the resolution to HD. They completely went in and redid the sound design, and graphical design.

You honestly think that's comparable to a simple HD port? :?

Sure, Halo Anniversary and Tomb Raider collection are different types of re-releases. Are you advocating that the Halo Anniversary should be exclusive to 360, or that it just isn't comparable to upscaled re-realeases?

I think remakes can be placed in two categories: graphics & gameplay. Halo Anniversary is a complete graphical remake where the changes are merely technical. No vast changes to gamplay mechanics, levels, weapons, enemies, characters, or story. It's the same game design. Even the ability to switch back and forth between 2011 version and 2001 version, while showing no gameplay changes proves this (that is an innovative technical feature though).

[QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"]

[QUOTE="ianuilliam"]

Yeah... except no. Halo Anniversary is Halo CE, the same game from Xbox, with new graphics. The extent to which they have upgrade the graphics is greater than the extent that the HD collections do, but it's not a new game, and personally, I'd rather get 2-3 clasic games remastered for $40 then get 1 clasic game with re-made graphics for $40. Just sayin.

TREAL_Since

Exactly, it's been remade from the ground up with new graphics. REMADE. They didn't just "port" Halo CE and upscaled the resolution to HD. They completely went in and redid the sound design, and graphical design.

You honestly think that's comparable to a simple HD port? :?

Sure, Halo Anniversary and Tomb Raider collection are different types of re-releases. Are you advocating that the Halo Anniversary should be exclusive to 360, or that it just isn't comparable to upscaled re-realeases?

I think remakes can be placed in two categories: graphics & gameplay. Halo Anniversary is a complete graphical remake where the changes are merely technical. No vast changes to gamplay mechanics, levels, weapons, enemies, characters, or story. It's the same game design. Even the ability to switch back and forth between 2011 version and 2001 version, while showing no gameplay changes proves this (that is an innovative technical feature though).

You just described Ninja Gaiden Sigma mayne and that's no exclusive.:P

May as well add Forza 4 and Arkham City to that list.

[QUOTE="TREAL_Since"]

[QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"]

Exactly, it's been remade from the ground up with new graphics. REMADE. They didn't just "port" Halo CE and upscaled the resolution to HD. They completely went in and redid the sound design, and graphical design.

You honestly think that's comparable to a simple HD port? :?

sanim02

Sure, Halo Anniversary and Tomb Raider collection are different types of re-releases. Are you advocating that the Halo Anniversary should be exclusive to 360, or that it just isn't comparable to upscaled re-realeases?

I think remakes can be placed in two categories: graphics & gameplay. Halo Anniversary is a complete graphical remake where the changes are merely technical. No vast changes to gamplay mechanics, levels, weapons, enemies, characters, or story. It's the same game design. Even the ability to switch back and forth between 2011 version and 2001 version, while showing no gameplay changes proves this (that is an innovative technical feature though).

You just described Ninja Gaiden Sigma mayne and that's no exclusive.:P

This might be the dumbest pro-360 thread ever.

You can't include just 9.5 games, that would mean there would only be 2 games to play so far.....and they both just came out.

What were you playing all year?

PS3 has had a better year, cows can rejoice as 2011 is really the year of the PS3.

But 360 still has the highest scored exclusive on GS, so dont feel defeated.

Come back when UC3 releases, if that gets below a 9 SW will explode!

Dark Souls was made for the PS3. Namco Bandai just published it for the 2 systems because they wanted to make more money internationally so it's only a multi platform in NA and Europe I believe but it's a world wide platform for the PS3. Not sure if the P2P multiplayer style was the developers idea or Namco's but it certainly is hurting the game that being one of it's key elements. Also not all PS3 games are released for NA and they certainly are for xbox so this isn't even a fair comparison for the xbox has the advantage in it's own country and the other consoles are still considered competition? you're making the xbox look bad o_o...

People in NA mostly love 2 types of games which are the ones that sell the most, Shooters and adventures. You add a little bit of RPG elements to vary and it'll sell in here. Japan keeps their more unique games over there and doesn't bother publishing it to NA. Even Europe gets more of those games than us.

Joedgabe

[QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"]

[QUOTE="ianuilliam"]

Yeah... except no. Halo Anniversary is Halo CE, the same game from Xbox, with new graphics. The extent to which they have upgrade the graphics is greater than the extent that the HD collections do, but it's not a new game, and personally, I'd rather get 2-3 clasic games remastered for $40 then get 1 clasic game with re-made graphics for $40. Just sayin.

TREAL_Since

Exactly, it's been remade from the ground up with new graphics. REMADE. They didn't just "port" Halo CE and upscaled the resolution to HD. They completely went in and redid the sound design, and graphical design.

You honestly think that's comparable to a simple HD port? :?

Sure, Halo Anniversary and Tomb Raider collection are different types of re-releases. Are you advocating that the Halo Anniversary should be exclusive to 360, or that it just isn't comparable to upscaled re-realeases?

I think remakes can be placed in two categories: graphics & gameplay. Halo Anniversary is a complete graphical remake where the changes are merely technical. No vast changes to gamplay mechanics, levels, weapons, enemies, characters, or story. It's the same game design. Even the ability to switch back and forth between 2011 version and 2001 version, while showing no gameplay changes proves this (that is an innovative technical feature though).

Xbox 360 already got two best games of 2011 Gears of War 3 and Dark Souls ( Both games getting critical acclaim and 9.5 on gamespot ) .

If Skyrim , Batman Arkham City , Assassins Creed Revelations , Battlefeild 3 , Modern Warfare 3 ETC scores 9.5 or higher Xbox 360'll be having larget number of AAA this 2011 .

Then again , if Uncharted 3 also scores 9.5 on GS there'll be tough competition with PS 3 as PS 3 also got Dark Souls .

Thoughts ? :)

indzman

ahead? lol

metacritic

ps3

mlb11 --------------- 90

lbp2 ----------------- 92

team ico ----------- 92

killzone 3 ---------- 84

infamous 2 -------- 83

resistance 3 -------- 83

god of war origins -- 85

disgaea 4 ----------- 82

tomb raider trilogy -- 78

yakuza 4 ------------- 78

motorstorm apocolypse 77

-----------------------------------------------

xbox

gears 3 ----- 91

forza 4 ------ 92

gunstringer ----- 76

fruit ninja kinect --- 71

-----------------------------------------------

ps3 = quality and quantity

arbitor365

[QUOTE="arbitor365"]

ahead? lol

metacritic

ps3

mlb11 --------------- 90

lbp2 ----------------- 92

team ico ----------- 92

killzone 3 ---------- 84

infamous 2 -------- 83

resistance 3 -------- 83

god of war origins -- 85

disgaea 4 ----------- 82

tomb raider trilogy -- 78

yakuza 4 ------------- 78

motorstorm apocolypse 77

-----------------------------------------------

xbox

gears 3 ----- 91

forza 4 ------ 92

gunstringer ----- 76

fruit ninja kinect --- 71

-----------------------------------------------

ps3 = quality and quantity

mitu123

[QUOTE="mitu123"]

[QUOTE="arbitor365"]

ahead? lol

metacritic

ps3

mlb11 --------------- 90

lbp2 ----------------- 92

team ico ----------- 92

killzone 3 ---------- 84

infamous 2 -------- 83

resistance 3 -------- 83

god of war origins -- 85

disgaea 4 ----------- 82

tomb raider trilogy -- 78

yakuza 4 ------------- 78

motorstorm apocolypse 77

-----------------------------------------------

xbox

gears 3 ----- 91

forza 4 ------ 92

gunstringer ----- 76

fruit ninja kinect --- 71

-----------------------------------------------

ps3 = quality and quantity

-ArchAngeL-777-

[QUOTE="Arach666"]They don´t count as exclusives simply because they´re already on the PS2.arbitor365

hd remakes are not merely "ports" and to classify them as such is completely absurd.

The 360 is not going to beat the PS3 this year in exclusives. Its impossible

The 360 is not going to beat the PS3 this year in exclusives. Its impossible

BPoole96

[QUOTE="spookykid143"]

[QUOTE="indzman"]

What flopped from MS ?

indzman

8.5 is a flop ? Its a good score . Flop is Splinter Cell HD Trilogy ( 6.0 score ) .

Then Killzone 3 , Resistance 3 were to be considered flops too .

Its just wrong . M/S is again milking us ...

Microsoft should've re-made both Halo 1 & Halo 2 and sold it as a single package . No sense in purchasing a single 10 year old game for 40 $ .

See SONY they remastering and porting Two - Three games in a package ( God of War Volume I & II , Ico & SOTC , Metal Gear Trilogy , Prince of Persia Trilogy , Splinter Cell , Sly Cooper Trilogy ) . price 35 $ - 40 $ for three games . Thats what i call a good deal .

indzman

So you win because you're only comparing 9.5 games? There's plenty of great games that got 7-9 scores....

[QUOTE="ianuilliam"]

Yeah... except no. Halo Anniversary is Halo CE, the same game from Xbox, with new graphics. The extent to which they have upgrade the graphics is greater than the extent that the HD collections do, but it's not a new game, and personally, I'd rather get 2-3 clasic games remastered for $40 then get 1 clasic game with re-made graphics for $40. Just sayin.

Stevo_the_gamer

Exactly, it's been remade from the ground up with new graphics. REMADE. They didn't just "port" Halo CE and upscaled the resolution to HD. They completely went in and redid the sound design, and graphical design.

You honestly think that's comparable to a simple HD port? :?

[QUOTE="lpeeass"]PS3 has LBP2 , Dark Souls and Dead Space 2 :o surprise i knowloosingENDS

Dead Space 2 is not on 360 ?

Also 360 has Witcher 2, Mass Effect 3 with Kinect and the best Skyrim and Dark SOuls versions

Halo CE could be a 10/10 too

I would rather have total graphical overhauls like the Halo Anniversary edition, than upscaled cIassics. It shows the dev put in a lot of work to pay homage to a cIassic game. Though it doesn't mean Team Ico doesn't care about Ico and SotC. It would just be far too expensive to overhaul those massive games, graphically.

Sure, Halo Anniversary and Tomb Raider collection are different types of re-releases. Are you advocating that the Halo Anniversary should be exclusive to 360, or that it just isn't comparable to upscaled re-realeases?

I think remakes can be placed in two categories: graphics & gameplay. Halo Anniversary is a complete graphical remake where the changes are merely technical. No vast changes to gamplay mechanics, levels, weapons, enemies, characters, or story. It's the same game design. Even the ability to switch back and forth between 2011 version and 2001 version, while showing no gameplay changes proves this (that is an innovative technical feature though).

TREAL_Since

I would rather have a new IP entirely--or a new game from an existing franchise. While my nostalgic nerves will flow like the Amazon--giddy with excitement--I would much rather enjoy playing a new game entirely.

No. I am letting the user in question know that port =/= remake.

3.) The OVERALL number of high scoring exclusives a system has determines who "wins" in the System Wars meta game. High scoring = A-AAAA (7.0-10).

TREAL_Since

There is no winning--only anarchy. :]

but it's still isn't and shouldn't be considered an exclusive.ermacness

May as well add Forza 4 and Arkham City to that list.

jamejame

[QUOTE="sanim02"]

[QUOTE="TREAL_Since"]I would rather have total graphical overhauls like the Halo Anniversary edition, than upscaled cIassics. It shows the dev put in a lot of work to pay homage to a cIassic game. Though it doesn't mean Team Ico doesn't care about Ico and SotC. It would just be far too expensive to overhaul those massive games, graphically.

Sure, Halo Anniversary and Tomb Raider collection are different types of re-releases. Are you advocating that the Halo Anniversary should be exclusive to 360, or that it just isn't comparable to upscaled re-realeases?

I think remakes can be placed in two categories: graphics & gameplay. Halo Anniversary is a complete graphical remake where the changes are merely technical. No vast changes to gamplay mechanics, levels, weapons, enemies, characters, or story. It's the same game design. Even the ability to switch back and forth between 2011 version and 2001 version, while showing no gameplay changes proves this (that is an innovative technical feature though).

TREAL_Since

You just described Ninja Gaiden Sigma mayne and that's no exclusive.:P

[QUOTE="Joedgabe"]

Dark Souls was made for the PS3. Namco Bandai just published it for the 2 systems because they wanted to make more money internationally so it's only a multi platform in NA and Europe I believe but it's a world wide platform for the PS3. Not sure if the P2P multiplayer style was the developers idea or Namco's but it certainly is hurting the game that being one of it's key elements. Also not all PS3 games are released for NA and they certainly are for xbox so this isn't even a fair comparison for the xbox has the advantage in it's own country and the other consoles are still considered competition? you're making the xbox look bad o_o...

People in NA mostly love 2 types of games which are the ones that sell the most, Shooters and adventures. You add a little bit of RPG elements to vary and it'll sell in here. Japan keeps their more unique games over there and doesn't bother publishing it to NA. Even Europe gets more of those games than us.

Plagueless

Those are fine tittles you said in your last sentence, should I type down a list of the Adventure / shooter games or better yet... maybe we should add up the total sales of shooters/adventure games VS everything else. So under normal circumstances yes... shooters and adventure games are the only things that generally sell. I'm not worshiping Japan i'm just bringing out the fair debate and you just proved my point. This isn't exactly a fair comparison. The ps3 has things they like and the xbox has things people in NA like it's just how it is so it really isn't a fair comparison that's why the xbox and ps3 are so alike over here. It's probably expensive and not worth it to publish many of the foreign games... had this been last generation it would have been probably cheaper and we had a larger library of games.

The ONLY reason why NGS wasn't considered...

ermacness

Was because of a little ol' game called "Ninja Gaiden Black" on the Xbox.