[QUOTE="blue900"]so um, you quantify math with how much time you have to post? I have a life :) and this is NOT the only forum in the world. Just one I decided to join recently. Besides, you didn't even address my hdmi/av portion.The intercooler is not needed if your 360 is pretty new. i.e. if you can hear the fan roar, then yes you might need it for prolonged gaming sesions, but if you can barely hear it like my elite was like, then no you don't. I never had a problem with mine, but i have heard that MS voids the warranty if it is detected that you have used one. Just a heads up. My MS component cable comes with optical out, so you don't really need hdmi, if your TV supports 1080p through the component in. A way to test this is just plug in your component cables, and see if you can get 1080p. My nephews samsung does get 1080p through the component in. Most TV's do, not all though. good luck. Intercooler is never needed, my advice is not to buy one because it's suspected that they draw enough power to actually CAUSE RROD which is why Microsoft potentially makes its use void your warranty, which would obviously be pretty damn counterproductive.Another poster made a good point about xbox just giving the essentials. Yes that is true but too many proceed to say xbox is better graphics, better this, better that regarding technology AND continue to say it is cheaper. How can a core or component connect pro system have better pixel by pixel comparison to a hi def ps3. I like both systems, and MS is smart but they can't say it compares to ps3 and it is cheaper. It only compares when you get the bells and whistles.
now back to my question, is there any other way to buy an av adapter that can connect to the back of the xbox. Probably not but thought I'd give it a shot.
About the intercooler...some say it is a MUST, others say no. Can anyone tell me their experience? My friend owns his own vid store and his employee's have had RROD twice per employee. Gamestop employees who are loyal xbox fans also admit to experiencing RROD more than once and say get a cooler. If I don't really need it let me know and thanks to all the nice replies.
loftus42
xbox 360 cost help....it is not cheaper than the ps3. I'm no hater I hope i dont
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The 360 is more expensive? wtf? It is?! Hang on..
http://www.game.co.uk/
Xbox 360 pro with a 60gig HDD + 3games + wireless controler + 1 month of XBL total:£199
Playstation 3 with 40gig HDD and nothing else
From the UKs largest gaming shop, I've not gone out of my way to find the worst and the best I've picked the PS3s low end on purpose. Seems to me it is 360 and no matter how much you spin it with your made up fairy tales, it is cheaper and comes with a superior software line up to boot. :)
thanks for the reply. Yes it has optical but I have multiple things connected w/ a bose running things so that is not an option. I could put the optical into the tv then audio out into the bose but again that takes up all the space for the other systems.Hey, it's no problem. You've been getting a lot of grief from a lot of people around here just trying to dog you instead of trying to answer your questions. But, MS tries to supply everything one might need to get HD gaming comparable to thier rivals at a cheaper price point, but they can't predict everyone's situation. For most people it is cheaper. But for some with odd circumstances like yourself, they provide the extra's out of box, to keep the cost down for most people. Unfortunatly you are one of the 20% of people that need the extras. Which yes you do need them, and for you this is not an option. Like I said in another post, there are additions for both consoles, for me a bluetooth headset was a needed addition for my PS3, but not the 300 gig drive. even though I filled my 20 gig original a long time ago, I could have gone for a cheaper 100 gig for a lot less, I just didn't want to do it again if I filled it up. Good luck to getting yours hooked up properly. Great gaming lies ahead for those fortunate enough to have both consoles. I get all the exclusives on both consoles, plus have a choice for multiplats. I usually get fighting games on my PS3, and all the rest on the 360 because of achievments. Haven't got too many trophies yet.As for the component cables blocking..it is not 1 inch away it is like i milimeter away from the hdmi port. It blocks have the hdmi port (maybe this is a new design since I bought mine this month?). Component at 1080p....my newer tv can but that is in the main family room. The older tv from last year can't and I prefer hdmi. I am just trying to set it up like a ps3 meaning hdmi on ps3, hdmi w/ xbox 360.
thanks for the help though. I can at least use another xbox in the main room w/ components and I don't have to buy the MS. That answered my original post :)
blue900
[QUOTE="Trigger_Hppy"][QUOTE="hkmp5a2"]This killed your entire thread. imo anyways. People don't have to buy everything for the 360, I don't need wifi, hdmi cables or an intercooler.
st1ka
Haha he has 3 entertainment systems throughout his house, a 60+ projection, a 50 inch plasma, and you're upset about the extra $50 that a 360 might cost? My my, these trolls need to try harder...
Edit: Oh, and if you're so successful with your "spouse" and house, then why do you not speak anything even close to proper grammar? No offense, but you seem rather childish and immature, and thus I call your entire thread LIES.
i'm not gonna comment on the rest, but i hope you know that not all of us come from english speaking countries
we are posting not writing an essay for English 101. Most of us are typing fast so errors can occur. Hint, you can type faster if you type w/ more than two fingers. Try it sometime :). Next time I post for you, I shall try to be more sophisticated and use the MLA english format to reference your quotes ... if you even know what that is. Note, the 3 periods? They are called ellipses and in MLA format (one format of proper english composition and writing) it must have a space then 3 periods then another space. Did you learn this in college yet? It is English 101.
What is wrong with you? No offense but why do you quantify having material things as success? IN NO WAY did I say I was successful. We are all struggling in this economy but I will not say I am ungrateful for what I have. I am VERY grateful but it is not due to my success. I'm in my 30's and far from successful yet. Happy yes, successful .... got ways to go. Sorry you are so MATERIALISTIC. Now who is immature.
thanks for NOT answering my questions. For the rest who forgave fast typing and incorrect punctuations of my original thread AND answered me, despite of it all, you have my gratitude.
[QUOTE="st1ka"][QUOTE="BobHipJames"] You're excused. But how about online gaming? LoL.BobHipJames
50 euro a year? not much of a problem
50 euro? Hahahahaha. That's incredible. How exactly do you not tally in 50 euro to the cost of your Xbox? How much does a Premium cost in Euros, anyway?the same way i don't tally the fact that as a general rule PS3 games are more expensive in Europe (heck on devil may cry alone i saved 10 euro)
and the premium costs 250 euro
EDIT: in fact by my calculations, on lost planet, devil may cry and the orange box alone i saved 25 euro, that's half of what my 12 month gold card cost me (which came free with my 360 BTW) and it's only been active for 4 months
[QUOTE="PoppaGamer"]Same difference. You're saying that anti-360 posters say that the 360 is NOT much cheaper than the PS3 if at all. Yet, when sales numbers come out they say it sells because its cheaper. That's what you were saying. Yet, they are right on both accounts. 360 is NOT cheaper if you want the bells and wistles. 360 did sell well over the xmas season due to the low price on the box.Blackbond
A console isn't more expensive or less expensive with when it comes to sales. Buying the console is $200 for Arcade and $300 for Pro.
If's and wants are not needs.
Hell you might as well add in a 1080P TV for Blu-Ray. The retail price is the retail price. Once you put in the factor of if's and wants you could add anything from accessories, games, or whatever. Bottom line is those things aren't included in the retail price and everything after the buying of a machine is an optional choice by the consumer. Not a neccesity.
You highlight what i said yet feel the need to elaborate? I said if you want all the bells and wistles. Point done. If you don't, 360 is cheaper. Nice work.Fine, 360 is more expensive yet outsold PS3.
Proof that 360 offers more vaierty of games.
Hmmmm. So Wii is number one because of its great selection of games?[QUOTE="PoppaGamer"]Same difference. You're saying that anti-360 posters say that the 360 is NOT much cheaper than the PS3 if at all. Yet, when sales numbers come out they say it sells because its cheaper. That's what you were saying. Yet, they are right on both accounts. 360 is NOT cheaper if you want the bells and wistles. 360 did sell well over the xmas season due to the low price on the box.Blackbond
A console isn't more expensive or less expensive with when it comes to sales. Buying the console is $200 for Arcade and $300 for Pro.
If's and wants are not needs.
Hell you might as well add in a 1080P TV for Blu-Ray. The retail price is the retail price. Once you put in the factor of if's and wants you could add anything from accessories, games, or whatever. Bottom line is those things aren't included in the retail price and everything after the buying of a machine is an optional choice by the consumer. Not a neccesity.
i agree with both of you, however, my post was to ask a question about cutting cost. It was obviously a stupid question on my part, so I apologize. I just wanted both systems to be set up the same, that is not hard to comprehend. What I did attempt to point out is that if anyone (fan or not) will say one is better than another due to graphics and price ... one system loses. To properly compare, you need the bells etc. I mean do i need to watch everything on a plasma? NO, but do most of us now own some sort of hi def monitor? Yes. So bells and whistles are kinda important for me. Doesnt have to be for you. I LIKE BOTH SYSTEMS
Fine, 360 is more expensive yet outsold PS3.
Proof that 360 offers more vaierty of games.
Hmmmm. So Wii is number one because of its great selection of games? Sure. The Wii offers something different to the 360/PS3, some people would say so it has great games.[QUOTE="loftus42"][QUOTE="blue900"]so um, you quantify math with how much time you have to post? I have a life :) and this is NOT the only forum in the world. Just one I decided to join recently. Besides, you didn't even address my hdmi/av portion.The intercooler is not needed if your 360 is pretty new. i.e. if you can hear the fan roar, then yes you might need it for prolonged gaming sesions, but if you can barely hear it like my elite was like, then no you don't. I never had a problem with mine, but i have heard that MS voids the warranty if it is detected that you have used one. Just a heads up. My MS component cable comes with optical out, so you don't really need hdmi, if your TV supports 1080p through the component in. A way to test this is just plug in your component cables, and see if you can get 1080p. My nephews samsung does get 1080p through the component in. Most TV's do, not all though. good luck. Intercooler is never needed, my advice is not to buy one because it's suspected that they draw enough power to actually CAUSE RROD which is why Microsoft potentially makes its use void your warranty, which would obviously be pretty damn counterproductive.Another poster made a good point about xbox just giving the essentials. Yes that is true but too many proceed to say xbox is better graphics, better this, better that regarding technology AND continue to say it is cheaper. How can a core or component connect pro system have better pixel by pixel comparison to a hi def ps3. I like both systems, and MS is smart but they can't say it compares to ps3 and it is cheaper. It only compares when you get the bells and whistles.
now back to my question, is there any other way to buy an av adapter that can connect to the back of the xbox. Probably not but thought I'd give it a shot.
About the intercooler...some say it is a MUST, others say no. Can anyone tell me their experience? My friend owns his own vid store and his employee's have had RROD twice per employee. Gamestop employees who are loyal xbox fans also admit to experiencing RROD more than once and say get a cooler. If I don't really need it let me know and thanks to all the nice replies.
BobHipJames
hmm this is something to consider. And certainly counter productive...I am still afraid about removing it though. Can you be more clear on how it is not good. My intercooler has its own power supply and stays on for a while even when the 360 is off. I thought that was a good thing...but if you can clarify it will help me make a decision on removing it. But you are right, it looks difficult to remove.
we are posting not writing an essay for English 101. Most of us are typing fast so errors can occur. Hint, you can type faster if you type w/ more than two fingers. Try it sometime :). Next time I post for you, I shall try to be more sophisticated and use the MLA english format to reference your quotes ... if you even know what that is. Note, the 3 periods? They are called ellipses and in MLA format (one format of proper english composition and writing) it must have a space then 3 periods then another space. Did you learn this in college yet? It is English 101.Blue, don't pay attention to them. Since this is System wars, they feel they have a god given right to go after anyone for the slightest mistake. Don't let it get to you. The ultimate conclusion with your writing is did you get your point across? Yes, you did. I had no problem understanding what your asking. Other then that you have no need to defend yourself. I applaud you for having the ability to take care of your parents and your brother. It seems that it's not your brother with the disability, but some of the posters on this forum. Good luck with your problem, and don't let the swine in this forum get to you.What is wrong with you? No offense but why do you quantify having material things as success? IN NO WAY did I say I was successful. We are all struggling in this economy but I will not say I am ungrateful for what I have. I am VERY grateful but it is not due to my success. I'm in my 30's and far from successful yet. Happy yes, successful .... got ways to go. Sorry you are so MATERIALISTIC. Now who is immature.
thanks for NOT answering my questions. For the rest who forgave fast typing and incorrect punctuations of my original thread AND answered me, despite of it all, you have my gratitude.
blue900
[QUOTE="blue900"]thanks for the reply. Yes it has optical but I have multiple things connected w/ a bose running things so that is not an option. I could put the optical into the tv then audio out into the bose but again that takes up all the space for the other systems.Hey, it's no problem. You've been getting a lot of grief from a lot of people around here just trying to dog you instead of trying to answer your questions. But, MS tries to supply everything one might need to get HD gaming comparable to thier rivals at a cheaper price point, but they can't predict everyone's situation. For most people it is cheaper. But for some with odd circumstances like yourself, they provide the extra's out of box, to keep the cost down for most people. Unfortunatly you are one of the 20% of people that need the extras. Which yes you do need them, and for you this is not an option. Like I said in another post, there are additions for both consoles, for me a bluetooth headset was a needed addition for my PS3, but not the 300 gig drive. even though I filled my 20 gig original a long time ago, I could have gone for a cheaper 100 gig for a lot less, I just didn't want to do it again if I filled it up. Good luck to getting yours hooked up properly. Great gaming lies ahead for those fortunate enough to have both consoles. I get all the exclusives on both consoles, plus have a choice for multiplats. I usually get fighting games on my PS3, and all the rest on the 360 because of achievments. Haven't got too many trophies yet.As for the component cables blocking..it is not 1 inch away it is like i milimeter away from the hdmi port. It blocks have the hdmi port (maybe this is a new design since I bought mine this month?). Component at 1080p....my newer tv can but that is in the main family room. The older tv from last year can't and I prefer hdmi. I am just trying to set it up like a ps3 meaning hdmi on ps3, hdmi w/ xbox 360.
thanks for the help though. I can at least use another xbox in the main room w/ components and I don't have to buy the MS. That answered my original post :)
loftus42
Thanks again. I'm not worried about the haters who feel they need to defend a console from one who also owns the same console lol. Regardless of whether they think I'm a kid or not, I don't sink down to their grade school level banter. Well...i did here and there. Also thanks for seeing I am not the majority as I pointed out earlier. 500 irrate posts is worth one kind person who will just help so thanks :). I do plan to get fighting games only for ps3 because I mostly played those games on ps2. As for multi platform...I must admit I'm not an achievment guy yet nor do I pretend to know its benefits. Still old schoold NES player at heart and online is fun for me "sometimes", if you meet people w/ manners. I don't have too many trophies or achievements yet either. Heck I owned ps3 and Wii at launch and didn't really start playing til last x'mas. Just had no time. Hope to bump into you again!
sorry bro but you come of sounding like a stuck up fanboy. nobody cares what you have, youre the one that brought it up. Manners 101 to go with your English 101.tikki25x
aww did my knowledge somehow destroy your last banter about me having poor grammar? I guess a person w/ no knowledge can only answer the way you did. It is the equivalent of kids saying "oh yeah well i don't like you either!" lol. You attacked my grammar, I pointed out my grammar knowledge, and this is the best you could come up with? Manners 101, don't put down anyone you don't know, especially if you can't receive what you attempt to dish out :) peace!
[QUOTE="BobHipJames"][QUOTE="loftus42"]The intercooler is not needed if your 360 is pretty new. i.e. if you can hear the fan roar, then yes you might need it for prolonged gaming sessions, but if you can barely hear it like my elite was like, then no you don't. I never had a problem with mine, but i have heard that MS voids the warranty if it is detected that you have used one. Just a heads up. My MS component cable comes with optical out, so you don't really need hdmi, if your TV supports 1080p through the component in. A way to test this is just plug in your component cables, and see if you can get 1080p. My nephews samsung does get 1080p through the component in. Most TV's do, not all though. good luck.blue900Intercooler is never needed, my advice is not to buy one because it's suspected that they draw enough power to actually CAUSE RROD which is why Microsoft potentially makes its use void your warranty, which would obviously be pretty damn counterproductive.
hmm this is something to consider. And certainly counter productive...I am still afraid about removing it though. Can you be more clear on how it is not good. My intercooler has its own power supply and stays on for a while even when the 360 is off. I thought that was a good thing...but if you can clarify it will help me make a decision on removing it. But you are right, it looks difficult to remove.
The newer Intercoolers do get their power from the cord. Interplay says this doesn't affect the 360 at all, MS disagrees. I have never had a problem when I used mine. I don't anymore, just because I had the elite which was really quite, (my nephew now has it, I have his when he got his HDMI samsung) I just have not hooked up his pro to the intercooler. I have heard reports going both ways. The only thing i would consider is that MS voids the warranty if they decide you have been using one. My first 360 pro got RROD, i sent it in, and it was covered. I did use the intercooler on it. I would say as long as you don't constantly hook it up and unhook it, how is MS going to know. But, make up your own mind, do some research on it. After all it is your money that your dealing with not ours.[QUOTE="blue900"]we are posting not writing an essay for English 101. Most of us are typing fast so errors can occur. Hint, you can type faster if you type w/ more than two fingers. Try it sometime :). Next time I post for you, I shall try to be more sophisticated and use the MLA english format to reference your quotes ... if you even know what that is. Note, the 3 periods? They are called ellipses and in MLA format (one format of proper english composition and writing) it must have a space then 3 periods then another space. Did you learn this in college yet? It is English 101.Blue, don't pay attention to them. Since this is System wars, they feel they have a god given right to go after anyone for the slightest mistake. Don't let it get to you. The ultimate conclusion with your writing is did you get your point across? Yes, you did. I had no problem understanding what your asking. Other then that you have no need to defend yourself. I applaud you for having the ability to take care of your parents and your brother. It seems that it's not your brother with the disability, but some of the posters on this forum. Good luck with your problem, and don't let the swine in this forum get to you.What is wrong with you? No offense but why do you quantify having material things as success? IN NO WAY did I say I was successful. We are all struggling in this economy but I will not say I am ungrateful for what I have. I am VERY grateful but it is not due to my success. I'm in my 30's and far from successful yet. Happy yes, successful .... got ways to go. Sorry you are so MATERIALISTIC. Now who is immature.
thanks for NOT answering my questions. For the rest who forgave fast typing and incorrect punctuations of my original thread AND answered me, despite of it all, you have my gratitude.
loftus42
thank you, that was very very kind of you. My brother is my life always and forever. Yes he is more advanced that some posters here today :).
[QUOTE="Master-Thief-09"]Hmmmm. So Wii is number one because of its great selection of games?Fine, 360 is more expensive yet outsold PS3.
Proof that 360 offers more vaierty of games.
PoppaGamer
but Wii's not more expensive is it? According to Sony and its fanboys, 360 is more expensive, yet it outsells PS3, so it must have better games :o
[QUOTE="blue900"]Very well said.Another poster made a good point about xbox just giving the essentials. Yes that is true but too many proceed to say xbox is better graphics, better this, better that regarding technology AND continue to say it is cheaper. How can a core or component connect pro system have better pixel by pixel comparison to a hi def ps3. I like both systems, and MS is smart but they can't say it compares to ps3 and it is cheaper. It only compares when you get the bells and whistles.
PoppaGamer
No, It's not well said. Infact is straight mis information.
HDMI and component cables both just carry a signal. The quality of the output depends entirely on the equipment at the end of each side of the cable. Saying PS3 has a better "pixel by pixel comparison" due to it's HDMI cable is a clear indication that the poster knows very little of the technology. Some people initially tried saying HDMI is able to carry a better signal due to it being digital, and not requiring conversion from the source. However, that is also not true. Both HDMI and component cables require data conversion before they can transfer the signal.
Because the HDMI spec was changing so frequently at the time these consoles were being released you will find alot of variance between the quality different TV's will display via HDMI. The same can also be said for components due to variances in regards to internal tv components, however, there is a much smaller difference in component quality across multiple brands of tv's.
At the end of the day in regards to video gaming specifically you can't just say HDMI is by default better, simply because it isn't. There are too many variables within the equation. Some TV's display HDMI better then Component, others are vice versa. The reality is Sony has told you it's better in order to further their DRM agenda, but that's a entirely different story.
The only argument that can really be made for HDMI offering better quality by default is because the signal being transferred through the cable is digital there is no such thing as a "bad signal" or "low signal" or "signal loss / degredation". With HDMI if there is signal interferance the output just does not show up. With Component the signal interference typically transfers into the picture. Still, in ideal testing situations this does not transfer into HDMI always being better. The only thing you can really say is by default HDMI is better then a broken component cable, and vice versa. However, as I've said, the reality is at 1080p and lower the cables are both more then capable of transferring the data and any quality difference is due to the TV it's hooked to.
And yet when sales data comes out its the but but the 360 is cheaper. Really the sales arguemnt is the most tired argument in SW.BlackbondCuz the market is ignorant, people buy the 360 over the PS3 thinking it's cheaper when ultimately it ends up costing close to that much.
And the 360 is indeed cheaper to the gamer who just buys the arcade version, doesnt bother with demos, downloadable games, DLC and doesnt even play online, I am sure there are quite a few of those gamers.
However most gamers in SW are not like that hence the argument is revesed.
I like how blue won't give any proof to his story even still, it's perplexing...
Cuz the market is ignorant, people buy the 360 over the PS3 thinking it's cheaper when ultimately it ends up costing close to that much.[QUOTE="Blackbond"]And yet when sales data comes out its the but but the 360 is cheaper. Really the sales arguemnt is the most tired argument in SW.Stranger_4
And the 360 is indeed cheaper to the gamer who just buys the arcade version, doesnt bother with demos, downloadable games, DLC and doesnt even play online, I am sure there are quite a few of those gamers.
However most gamers in SW are not like that hence the argument is revesed.
Sorry, the DLC from both Sony store, and Live are comparable in cost. One making the other more expensive is not true. Both have things missing, and both have things the others don't. You can say that PSn is free, but Live isn't so over the course of owning the two consoles for X number of years will make one more expensive then the other is over looking the basic arguement. Live offers more then PSn. but I don't need those things on Live. But some don't need those things that the PS3 comes with out of the box. You can always hook up to the internet by cat5 cable. and play on-line. The 360 comes with one. The PS3 you can upgrade the HDD. This also costs more. I had to do this with my PS3. These are all optional.Both have things that you need, and both have things you can buy out of box. One does not equate to the other. When you buy one or the other, you consider all things that factor into the cost of the console. Basically what you buy at the time you buy the console. All others are bought over time, from the dual shock, and bigger HDD, to the WIFI, and rechargable controllers. These things are not factored into the initial cost of the console, except for those trying to prove one point or the other. Lets face it gaming in this generation, can be and is expensive. All consoles can be bought cheap, and all console can be bought with everything, making them all well within the $600 dollar range.
Why does anyone need to prove anything to anyone? He asked a question, he did not make a statement under oath to congress. If you don't believe him, just go on. There are other topics to post in. Answer his question or not. Just move on. Does it make you feel better to call someone on something You don't believe? Sounds personal to me.I like how blue won't give any proof to his story even still, it's perplexing...
Trigger_Hppy
[QUOTE="Trigger_Hppy"]Why does anyone need to prove anything to anyone? He asked a question, he did not make a statement under oath to congress. If you don't believe him, just go on. There are other topics to post in. Answer his question or not. Just move on. Does it make you feel better to call someone on something You don't believe? Sounds personal to me.I like how blue won't give any proof to his story even still, it's perplexing...
loftus42
No, its not personal, but he has created a highly improbable circumstance, and then when people began to call him out on it, he became overly defensive. He is obviously just making up situations to lend himself credibility, when in reality, he has none (unless he shows proof). I don't like when people lie, and I have a feeling he is exaggerating at the least, so I would like some closure to this whole shenanigan, one way or the other. After all, the internets are serious business... ;)
I like how blue won't give any proof to his story even still, it's perplexing...
Why does anyone need to prove anything to anyone? He asked a question, he did not make a statement under oath to congress. If you don't believe him, just go on. There are other topics to post in. Answer his question or not. Just move on. Does it make you feel better to call someone on something You don't believe? Sounds personal to me.No, its not personal, but he has created a highly improbable circumstance, and then when people began to call him out on it, he became overly defensive. He is obviously just making up situations to lend himself credibility, when in reality, he has none (unless he shows proof). I don't like when people lie, and I have a feeling he is exaggerating at the least, so I would like some closure to this whole shenanigan, one way or the other.
Again I ask does it make you feel like a bigger person to call someone out. For all you know it's true. It just doesn't sound right in your mind. Get over it, move on. Unless it is personal? When someone attacks you will you stand still, or try to argue your point. All this is not making you to good.[QUOTE="Trigger_Hppy"][QUOTE="loftus42"]Why does anyone need to prove anything to anyone? He asked a question, he did not make a statement under oath to congress. If you don't believe him, just go on. There are other topics to post in. Answer his question or not. Just move on. Does it make you feel better to call someone on something You don't believe? Sounds personal to me.loftus42
No, its not personal, but he has created a highly improbable circumstance, and then when people began to call him out on it, he became overly defensive. He is obviously just making up situations to lend himself credibility, when in reality, he has none (unless he shows proof). I don't like when people lie, and I have a feeling he is exaggerating at the least, so I would like some closure to this whole shenanigan, one way or the other.
Again I ask does it make you feel like a bigger person to call someone out. For all you know it's true. It just doesn't sound right in your mind. Get over it, move on. Unless it is personal? When someone attacks you will you stand still, or try to argue your point. All this is not making you to good.Well, can we agree to disagree then? I just don't like it when someone lies to give them an edge on criticizing something that is good. I actually agree with him on his entire issue, its just that he felt the need to lie constantly after making his point, and I don't like that. And he is lying, just re-read his post, and then ask yourself why is he weighing the outcome of $50? I suppose we just have two separate views, and hey, I suppose thats still allowed... :P
But hey, I'll stop reaching for evidence and let it all be, alright? I'm just betting you won't be seeing blue in SW anymore, since it was an alt account.
Cuz the market is ignorant, people buy the 360 over the PS3 thinking it's cheaper when ultimately it ends up costing close to that much.[QUOTE="Blackbond"]And yet when sales data comes out its the but but the 360 is cheaper. Really the sales arguemnt is the most tired argument in SW.Stranger_4
And the 360 is indeed cheaper to the gamer who just buys the arcade version, doesnt bother with demos, downloadable games, DLC and doesnt even play online, I am sure there are quite a few of those gamers.
However most gamers in SW are not like that hence the argument is revesed.
So PS3 owners are some high class, superior, more educated gamer compared to those who buy the 360 lol. Oh get real.
pictures would mean showing my home which is privacy. However, I can do it w/o showing things that are personal i.e. antique heirlooms. I DON'T have to prove anything but hey I don't see why not. I'm assuming I can just paste the picture here w/ the paste button? Sorry but as a 30 year old who doesn't have much time to talk on forums (I used to on City of Heroes..waste of time...and WoW) I just want to make sure It can be done that quickly. Also I hope there is no penalty for doing this as the moderation rules here are different from my days of posting in other forums. Thanks for the ps3 thing you said but I wasn't trying to prove that, I was just asking is there a way to avoid what I just did w/ my 360 exprience and still accomadate my set up i.e. extra proprietary stuff!
so tell me what you want to see?
1) Room one call the retreat w/ most of my entertainment stuff (TV, ps3, xbox 360, bose)
2) Family room save as above but you won't see a ps3 of xbox there
3) my parents room...?!?!?! that is kinda private but I guess I can take a close shot at the entertainment system.
as I type this I am starting to feel that this is a ridiculous idea but I guess since I just finished my work AND homework (yes I am going to college again), I have some time.
so what's cool w/ you? Normally I wouldn't sink to this but I feel like doing it as a learning process. Let me know.
[QUOTE="PoppaGamer"][QUOTE="blue900"]Very well said.Another poster made a good point about xbox just giving the essentials. Yes that is true but too many proceed to say xbox is better graphics, better this, better that regarding technology AND continue to say it is cheaper. How can a core or component connect pro system have better pixel by pixel comparison to a hi def ps3. I like both systems, and MS is smart but they can't say it compares to ps3 and it is cheaper. It only compares when you get the bells and whistles.
JimJackJose
No, It's not well said. Infact is straight mis information.
HDMI and component cables both just carry a signal. The quality of the output depends entirely on the equipment at the end of each side of the cable. Saying PS3 has a better "pixel by pixel comparison" due to it's HDMI cable is a clear indication that the poster knows very little of the technology. Some people initially tried saying HDMI is able to carry a better signal due to it being digital, and not requiring conversion from the source. However, that is also not true. Both HDMI and component cables require data conversion before they can transfer the signal.
Because the HDMI spec was changing so frequently at the time these consoles were being released you will find alot of variance between the quality different TV's will display via HDMI. The same can also be said for components due to variances in regards to internal tv components, however, there is a much smaller difference in component quality across multiple brands of tv's.
At the end of the day in regards to video gaming specifically you can't just say HDMI is by default better, simply because it isn't. There are too many variables within the equation. Some TV's display HDMI better then Component, others are vice versa. The reality is Sony has told you it's better in order to further their DRM agenda, but that's a entirely different story.
The only argument that can really be made for HDMI offering better quality by default is because the signal being transferred through the cable is digital there is no such thing as a "bad signal" or "low signal" or "signal loss / degredation". With HDMI if there is signal interferance the output just does not show up. With Component the signal interference typically transfers into the picture. Still, in ideal testing situations this does not transfer into HDMI always being better. The only thing you can really say is by default HDMI is better then a broken component cable, and vice versa. However, as I've said, the reality is at 1080p and lower the cables are both more then capable of transferring the data and any quality difference is due to the TV it's hooked to.
obviously I either mistated or you paraphrased and did selective reading. HDMI is 1's and 0s. I am not a believer of buying an expensive $50$-$70 hdmi cable. Some $9 ones are just fine why? Like most people who use the "building or ladder" analogy to hdmi, you can't tell the difference. Meaning if a person is on the 4th floor you can probably tell he is on the fourth floor. If he is on the 30th floor...from where you are he is farther away and you may make a mistake in what floor he is in. Hence, you no longer know the difference between the 40th floor or the 41st or 39th etc. As he get's higher you will have an even harder time knowing. Just a tiny analogy...not purely accurate. HDMI is the same, your eyes can't tell much of the difference.
The point you missed was that if any console (exclude the ps3 and xbox 360 since I'm not a fanboy, I just like ALL), are to be compared, the best way to make a conclusion is to make sure are variables are the same. This way non believers know it is tested properly. Everyone knows this when comparing anything and conducting any sort of experiment. FOR ME, to make sure my hardware was fine, I used the same HDMI port, same cable exact cable, same TV first. Sure component (analog) is fine but I guarantee you: IF I posted a thread saying "I connected my console 1 to hdmi and the other to component and both support same 1080p, but console 2 is inferior." TONS will say that is not a fair comparison. You didn't use the same thing and now you are just trolling. THAT IS SOMETHING I AVOIDED by using THE SAME variables.
it is a direct variable math formula. y=kxz (joint variation) meaning:
quality of picture= the CONSTANT (cable&port) times the (system) times the (TV). You can change the order if you want but in this situation the constant is the cable due to multiple tvs.
so I DO understand tech and part of tech is about math, especially when you are going on digital vice analog. My admitted failure was remembering that component (depending on the tv) is 1080p. Mine happens to not do this and due to more inputs, risks a higher chance of oxidation on one of the component ports, which in turn degrades what you perceive as picture quality and color. SO to limit this you have a constant....the hdmi cable. :)
I like how blue won't give any proof to his story even still, it's perplexing...
Trigger_Hppy
wow so quick to cast the stone. I DID reply and asked you a question about it. I did agree to take the pictures and asked for you specific requirements. You are not the only poster on here that exists so forgive me for taking time on the more helpful ones and responding and thanking them prior to your silly "proof".
I am waiting for your instructions, although I already know you will find a way to dismiss the pictures and state that they are not mine. But again this is an excercise for me so come w/ the answer already :).
BTW: People who speak the truth have no problems showing proof so I will accomadate.
Again Trigger I am waiting for you. Also "defensive"....how silly for an educated person to not defend himself. Defending yourself is NOT defensive, though the words are similar. Defending is positive where as defensive implies that you are spouting words to support a lie which is negative. I defended myself and obliged in the criticism because at the end of the day you wouldn't care about me nor would I pray for you.
SO where are your criteria's and I will oblige. I agree w/ the previous poster that I DON'T have to prove anything as I asked my questions and stated i am not a hater, nor do I care which is better. You and you're defensive nature towards your console, plus your need to prove your claims that I am a child, etc., has resulted in a convoluted idea of what my original post was about. I can't help you there....sorry.
I imagine on other terms we would have been on peaceful conversations; especially since you seem to like Mass Effect and I honestly haven't played that game. I have questions on it. With my new xbox 360, I can now play it when I have time. Key thing for you to know is that after owning a ps3 and wii since launch, I still bought the 360. This tells you I am in no way positioning myself to like one over the other. If I liked ps3 more, why would I later buy an xbox? I just buy so my spouse and I can enjoy times together. So where are your criterias?
I am suspecting that you are afraid to be proven wrong. And once you the plaintiff (not the judge) replies, I (the defense) can state "the defense rests" with pictures. If you do not reply, then I can easily say, "that plaintiff asked for proof yet has not replied. He is unwilling to cooperate despite my willingness to accomadate. Therefore, he is afraid to be wrong. The defense rests."
Why do you need an optical audio cable? If you have such fancy tvs and receivers, why don't you just run hdmi through your receiver to your tv? Optical isn't that much of a sound upgrade, if any, from hdmi. You only need to run your 360 video directly to your tv if you have a crappy receiver that for some reason downgrades the video quality or doesn't allow video pass through. And if you are so into good audio/video than you probably don't have this problem. I'm also assuming that you have a good receiver so you can take advantage of blu-ray's hd audio so you shouldn't be running that through optical either, cause I'm pretty sure dolby hd only passes through hdmi. And don't get an intercooler cause they are useless and totally unnecessary.liquidsuns
who said i needed an optical? I just stated that I like my set up differently. I don't like running sound into my tv then out from the tv into a bose. bose isn't even the best anymore, I heard. I have like models from 2003 and 2005 i think. I even opted to use lower grade rca cables since that works alright with my set up. Sure not the best, but I didn't ask about sound here did I? Nor claimed my sound system was awesome.
You missed the whole point, son. Sales does NOT equal the best. PS2 wasn't the best last gen (not while xbox was up and running). And Wii is far from the best this gen. So to tell me that most of the sales of ANY console are due to anything other than casuals buying it is false. Blind, follow the person in front of you, consumers drive sales, for the most part. In fact, I'll go ahead and make this statement: ANY console to sell the best throughout a generation is NOT going to be the best console for gaming overall. PoppaGamerhow was the PS2 not the best last gen? it had the strongest, highest rated game library. and it sold the most.
[QUOTE="Floppy_Jim"]"All 35 of my xbox 360 friends returned their system more than once." ^It was going well until this sentence. Anyway, I'm sure you can get a HDMI cable for cheaper than $59. Just look around.clone01yeah, that's what i thought, too.
um if you read on, you will see that i know that. But to use the "out of the box" audio connector for the 360, I need to get the MS proprietary hdmi that comes w/ the av converter. It is for those who choose not to run audio into the tv and then out to their receiver.
How many times are you going to post this exact topic?
Again, you claim to have over $20,000 in entertainment set ups, but claim $20 for a PnP will kill you? Or...$8 for rechargable battaries?
pictures would mean showing my home which is privacy. However, I can do it w/o showing things that are personal i.e. antique heirlooms. I DON'T have to prove anything but hey I don't see why not. I'm assuming I can just paste the picture here w/ the paste button? Sorry but as a 30 year old who doesn't have much time to talk on forums (I used to on City of Heroes..waste of time...and WoW) I just want to make sure It can be done that quickly. Also I hope there is no penalty for doing this as the moderation rules here are different from my days of posting in other forums. Thanks for the ps3 thing you said but I wasn't trying to prove that, I was just asking is there a way to avoid what I just did w/ my 360 exprience and still accomadate my set up i.e. extra proprietary stuff!
so tell me what you want to see?
1) Room one call the retreat w/ most of my entertainment stuff (TV, ps3, xbox 360, bose)
2) Family room save as above but you won't see a ps3 of xbox there
3) my parents room...?!?!?! that is kinda private but I guess I can take a close shot at the entertainment system.
as I type this I am starting to feel that this is a ridiculous idea but I guess since I just finished my work AND homework (yes I am going to college again), I have some time.
so what's cool w/ you? Normally I wouldn't sink to this but I feel like doing it as a learning process. Let me know.
just post all three. oh, and could you give us a list of your 35 friends' gamertags. i want to message them and see if, indeed, they all had to return their consoles for repair.yeah, that's what i thought, too.[QUOTE="clone01"][QUOTE="Floppy_Jim"]"All 35 of my xbox 360 friends returned their system more than once." ^It was going well until this sentence. Anyway, I'm sure you can get a HDMI cable for cheaper than $59. Just look around.blue900
um if you read on, you will see that i know that. But to use the "out of the box" audio connector for the 360, I need to get the MS proprietary hdmi that comes w/ the av converter. It is for those who choose not to run audio into the tv and then out to their receiver.
and you paid $59 for that cable. this one right here is $42 http://www.amazon.com/Xbox-360-HDMI-AV-Cable/dp/B000UODATY , which is the point that Floppy_Jim made. oh, and here's a quick little trick that would have saved you that money altogether. http://www.chadledford.com/?p=50[QUOTE="blue900"][QUOTE="clone01"] yeah, that's what i thought, too.clone01
um if you read on, you will see that i know that. But to use the "out of the box" audio connector for the 360, I need to get the MS proprietary hdmi that comes w/ the av converter. It is for those who choose not to run audio into the tv and then out to their receiver.
and you paid $59 for that cable. this one right here is $42 http://www.amazon.com/Xbox-360-HDMI-AV-Cable/dp/B000UODATY , which is the point that Floppy_Jim made. oh, and here's a quick little trick that would have saved you that money altogether. http://www.chadledford.com/?p=50there is shipping :) and convenience of just dropping by a store on the way to an errand. As for the game tags that is kinda personal don't you think... a tad unreasonable.
to the other poster, the number of times I post is the number of times someone responds to me. I ended this yesterday but someone wanted pictures.
and the claim of $20,000... you are putting the numbers not me. I just pointed out why I wanted to buy a second 360 w/ hdmi and seperate av. It seems money and materials are always on people's mind. They can't look past it. If I didn't say what I had then how can someone answer my question. They would then reply with "why do you need a second 360 w/ hdmi? You claim you have one now so why another? Why do you need to seperate the audio?" Therefore, the entertainment centers were to prevent such questions. Some people just can't let a person be happy with what they have and what they choose to do. Does it hurt you if I post here? If it does then move on. I am answering those who are asking for a response. Move on please.
[QUOTE="blue900"][QUOTE="clone01"] yeah, that's what i thought, too.clone01
um if you read on, you will see that i know that. But to use the "out of the box" audio connector for the 360, I need to get the MS proprietary hdmi that comes w/ the av converter. It is for those who choose not to run audio into the tv and then out to their receiver.
and you paid $59 for that cable. this one right here is $42 http://www.amazon.com/Xbox-360-HDMI-AV-Cable/dp/B000UODATY , which is the point that Floppy_Jim made. oh, and here's a quick little trick that would have saved you that money altogether. http://www.chadledford.com/?p=50hey clone thanks for the tip! I didn't look into it yet but I will after this post. Appreciate it!
[QUOTE="clone01"][QUOTE="blue900"]and you paid $59 for that cable. this one right here is $42 http://www.amazon.com/Xbox-360-HDMI-AV-Cable/dp/B000UODATY , which is the point that Floppy_Jim made. oh, and here's a quick little trick that would have saved you that money altogether. http://www.chadledford.com/?p=50um if you read on, you will see that i know that. But to use the "out of the box" audio connector for the 360, I need to get the MS proprietary hdmi that comes w/ the av converter. It is for those who choose not to run audio into the tv and then out to their receiver.
blue900
there is shipping :) and convenience of just dropping by a store on the way to an errand. As for the game tags that is kinda personal don't you think... a tad unreasonable.
to the other poster, the number of times I post is the number of times someone responds to me. I ended this yesterday but someone wanted pictures.
and the claim of $20,000... you are putting the numbers not me. I just pointed out why I wanted to buy a second 360 w/ hdmi and seperate av. It seems money and materials are always on people's mind. They can't look past it. If I didn't say what I had then how can someone answer my question. They would then reply with "why do you need a second 360 w/ hdmi? You claim you have one now so why another? Why do you need to seperate the audio?" Therefore, the entertainment centers were to prevent such questions. Some people just can't let a person be happy with what they have and what they choose to do. Does it hurt you if I post here? If it does then move on. I am answering those who are asking for a response. Move on please.
what $20,000? that is not referenced in this post. and no, gamer tags are not personal. they are available openly in public. its not like a SS#. i want to know because i'm really not convinced that you know 35 people who ALL had their 360s fail.
[QUOTE="blue900"][QUOTE="clone01"] and you paid $59 for that cable. this one right here is $42 http://www.amazon.com/Xbox-360-HDMI-AV-Cable/dp/B000UODATY , which is the point that Floppy_Jim made. oh, and here's a quick little trick that would have saved you that money altogether. http://www.chadledford.com/?p=50clone01
there is shipping :) and convenience of just dropping by a store on the way to an errand. As for the game tags that is kinda personal don't you think... a tad unreasonable.
to the other poster, the number of times I post is the number of times someone responds to me. I ended this yesterday but someone wanted pictures.
and the claim of $20,000... you are putting the numbers not me. I just pointed out why I wanted to buy a second 360 w/ hdmi and seperate av. It seems money and materials are always on people's mind. They can't look past it. If I didn't say what I had then how can someone answer my question. They would then reply with "why do you need a second 360 w/ hdmi? You claim you have one now so why another? Why do you need to seperate the audio?" Therefore, the entertainment centers were to prevent such questions. Some people just can't let a person be happy with what they have and what they choose to do. Does it hurt you if I post here? If it does then move on. I am answering those who are asking for a response. Move on please.
what $20,000? that is not referenced in this post. and no, gamer tags are not personal. they are available openly in public. its not like a SS#. i want to know because i'm really not convinced that you know 35 people who ALL had their 360s fail.$20,000 was for the other poster sorry I didn't make that clear, my bad. As for the gamer tags, I don't think that is appropriate or considerate. So pics is the best I can do which is already a stretch. Just call your local gamestop locations and ask them. Most are 360 gamers here, and they had many RRODs. I wish it wasnt so...Truly I wish it wont happen to me despite the odds.Going for a bit, upload at around 9:30 EST. But this "noob" needs to know how to put pics on here....care to share? I don't see an insert or attarch or upload section. I don't know if paste works. When I click it, it says copy/cut/paste is not allowed in mozzilla or firefox. Wonder if it will work w/ safari. Any help would be cool.
my 360 cost more than my ps3 cause i needed a wi-fi adapter which sucks. i mean, M$ should've made the 360 able to accept any wi-fi adapter out there, but instead they made a $100 wi-fi adapter which was not even the best of wi-fi adapters. i can find a $40 wi-fi adapter that can pick up more signal. wtf. and to hell with $50/year of Live. online gaming should be FREE. it doesn't cost microsoft anything if we played Call of Duty online. they don't have any dedicated servers. that's just bullcrap. when i played NBA 2k9, the 2K servers were messed up and so no one could play on both the ps3 and 360 online. and to hell with people saying there's no one online on the ps3. that's just stupidity. even if Live has 17 million subscribers, it's not like you will meet all those 17million people online, right? to tell you the truth, i have yet to see a ps3 game that does not lag online (except nba 2k9). on release dates, the servers really lag but it gets smooth after a week or two. my friend said Gears 2 still lags like hell. is that true? my 360s died on me a long time ago so they're all on the dump now. no warranty left and $100 to fix it again is just ridiculous.i'm not going to shell out $100 twice or thrice a year.
what i like about the ps3 the most is that i can upgrade my hard drive and not break the warranty. for the 360 i think there's a specific 360 HDD that's so expensive. lmao. of course you don't need these stuff, but the default 20GB space is inferior to the ps3's default 40gb storage (considering that they don't make 20GB ps3's anymore).
as for me, since i need wi-fi and don't need a headset, i go for the ps3 since 20GB 360+wi-fi+annual Live subscription costs more than a 40GB ps3. not a fanboy, this is just my preference. if i don't need wireless, maybe i'd consider a 360 again. but meh.
people are still okay on the RROD since they still have warranty. once the 3-year-warranty runs out and M$ starts charging people to fix their 360's, i dunno how people would react. considering the fact that there might not be a new MS console by 2012.
oh and the $50/year is a big thing for me, since i pay for it. i know most of the users here in GS are kids and they can't even buy their games with their allowance, let alone paying for Live. considering that the 360 can be..erm..made to play free games, then my arguments are invalid. BUT, i'm clean so there you go. lmao.
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