Xbox 360 faces several problems going foward, may launch a new console sooner ??

Basicly it come down to theses points.

1. Disk space DVD9-http://www.joystiq.com/2007/05/02/xbox-360-cant-handle-all-of-gta-iv/, http://www.next-gen.biz/news/lost-planet-2-significantly-cut-on-360, http://www.gofanboy.com/home/news-archive/1955-la-noires-future-on-xbox-360-again-in-question-because-of-dvd
2. Closed system for Direct X - http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-directx-360-performance-blog-entry,
3. Closed system for Live- http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/closed-xbox-live-blocked-ffxiv, http://exophase.com/xbox360/valve-wants-steamworks-on-xbox-360-17841.htm,
4. Microsoft milking its costumers and others. Live, HDD...
5. Lost of People who launched the Xbox = http://www.crunchgear.com/2010/05/25/microsofts-j-allard-and-robbie-bach-are-leaving-the-company/, Shane Kim, and http://news.teamxbox.com/xbox/19994/John-Schappert-Returns-to-EA/ ... other high ranking members that
6. Lost of Game exclusive= most of the first games that came out with Xbox 360, Developer Bungie...

to a lesser extent MS problems with Xbox RROD,http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/101/1014486p1.html(pay attention to MicrosoftRESPONCE... they do not deny it)

First though DVD9 seemed like a good choice in the begining it is now affecting games.... Sure they CAN use more disks but for OPEN world games this option would not work like with LA Noires. If they use more compression the power to decompress and visuals would be affected. AND with not all Xbox 360 with HDD it makes it more difficult.

In the end I see Microsoft lanching a new console by 2012 at the latest. YEA, I know that Kinect is out but Microsoft seems to be focusing on Causal gamers withKinect this gen.

Ravenlore_basic

1. They can install to HDD to avoid multidisc problems like Castlevania does where if you have disc 2 installed, you can just stream it off disc 1. Or they can lessen their Royalty charge for games more then2 disc

2-4 arent really a big deal.

5. This may not be that big of a problem because the Ground work for XBOX is already set, so maybe these guys arent really that needed anymore.

6 is the only problem I see going ahead.

I still dont understand this whole outcry issue with games being on multiple discs. The only games that ever take more than one are almost always RPGs and youre only having to switch discs what, every 15-20 hours?

360 is doing very well for itself with the S model out now. With how much effort they are putting behind Kinect, though I doubt its success, it would be silly to launch a new system so soon after it. Unless "Xbox 720" comes bundled with it from day one.

svaubel

im not concerened about the switching part, im more worried about the Texture quality adn all thatbecause of massive compression by people who want to keep it on one disc because they dont wanna have it on 2, so quality can potentialy be hurt that way.

If anyone is going to have a problem going forward it's going to be Sony. Next gen backwards compatibility is going to be a mother for them to handle since the cell is so complex and they don't make it anymore. The 360 is built on the X86 architecture which is as common as it gets. If you think backwards compatibility will not be a problem you are fooling yourself. Sure, in a consoles later stages BC becomes less and less important, but in the beginning, it certainly helps.The cell is enabling Sony to do great things now, but it may screw them in the future.

[QUOTE="CuteCakes"][QUOTE="bphan"]

It's been nearly 5 years already. Cows need to give up already.

iMojo786_PSN

If anyone is going to have a problem going forward it's going to be Sony. Next gen backwards compatibility is going to be a mother for them to handle since the cell is so complex and they don't make it anymore. The 360 is built on the X86 architecture which is as common as it gets. If you think backwards compatibility will not be a problem you are fooling yourself. Sure, in a consoles later stages BC becomes less and less important, but in the beginning, it certainly helps.The cell is enabling Sony to do great things now, but it may screw them in the future.

Edit: The development of the cell being stopped is a rumor, so it might not be an issue after all.

heretrix

If anyone is going to have a problem going forward it's going to be Sony. Next gen backwards compatibility is going to be a mother for them to handle since the cell is so complex and they don't make it anymore. The 360 is built on the X86 architecture which is as common as it gets. If you think backwards compatibility will not be a problem you are fooling yourself. Sure, in a consoles later stages BC becomes less and less important, but in the beginning, it certainly helps.The cell is enabling Sony to do great things now, but it may screw them in the future.

heretrix

[QUOTE="RogueShodown"][QUOTE="Casboof"]

Doesn't negate the fact that most cows are bitter over the rise of the Xbox. They keep making threads claiming that the 360 is dying when they are still in 3rd place. And it is pathetic because they are getting butthurt over second place.

CuteCakes

Why do peopel really care so mcuh about past stuff? I like to think of PS3 on tis own merits. On its own merits, its a great console. Why would I give a **** about it not selling as much as the previous console? How does that effect how good the console is right now? "Boy, I got all these great games, but since its not selling as well as PS2, it must be crap."

it's been 5 years, i am literally begging for a new xbox. hurry up already 6 years is way too long for a console which basically ships obsolete.

How well Kinect does will determine when a new MS console launches.

If anyone is going to have a problem going forward it's going to be Sony. Next gen backwards compatibility is going to be a mother for them to handle since the cell is so complex and they don't make it anymore. The 360 is built on the X86 architecture which is as common as it gets. If you think backwards compatibility will not be a problem you are fooling yourself. Sure, in a consoles later stages BC becomes less and less important, but in the beginning, it certainly helps.The cell is enabling Sony to do great things now, but it may screw them in the future.

heretrix

This is certinly true if Sony launches PS4 prior to 2014 and developers leave like they did with PS2.... BUT I donot see this happening. There are many reasons why Sony will not launch PS4 anytime soon say less than 8 years. And After PS4 does launch unless launches at a price less than 349 and with Huge tech increases I do not see a whole lot of people rushing out to get it.

New techniques are being developed all the time http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-force-unleashed-60fps-tech-article?page=2THIS is just another way developers have made so games run better, and makes the limited console games run, look better years after they have launched.

as put so Eloquently earlier.....It's been nearly 5 years PS3 is STILL LAST and 360 is STILL delivering the goods and raking in billions while all Sony has is Exclusives,arrogance,Red Ink and the prize for THIRD PLACE.
Cows need to give up already.

I guess I don't see the problems. The 360 has some exclusives, multiplats that look and run better on the 360 because it is easy to program for, kinect launch which offers a different experience than Move and the Wii and has uses outside of games, you have Windows Media Center integration with the 360 and possibly with Kinect.

I've had my fair share of RROD or disc tray problems , maybe 5 in total, but I have never had to pay for repairs. I have always just had one 360 and I never blamed MS really. I like to be real and I beat the heck out of these consoles. They are on 24/7 365 a year. I smoke like a fiend and don't dust. Classic bachelor pad. If my console breaks down it deserves it. Not sure how some people end up buying 5 360's but whatver. I've also never had problems with discs getting scratched. I am not saying it doesn't happen but I would bet money that the majority of people complaining about it are the ones at fault.

it's been 5 years, i am literally begging for a new xbox. hurry up already 6 years is way too long for a console which basically ships obsolete.

Riverwolf007

For some this is true, but it will last longer than this year, Microsoft only anounced Xbox 360 the year it came out, not before. So we will know the year it is to launch. I'm GUESSING 2012, it may not come out 2011. But if it does that would be 6 years of Xbox 360 a good run.

Its no biggie, Xbox 360 will continue to sale even with MS 3rd console on the market. I'm just giving reasons for the problems the Xbox 360 faces from now on. These were not problems in the past but they are becoming more and more relivent as the months go by.

Basicly it come down to theses points.

1. Disk space DVD9-http://www.joystiq.com/2007/05/02/xbox-360-cant-handle-all-of-gta-iv/, http://www.next-gen.biz/news/lost-planet-2-significantly-cut-on-360, http://www.gofanboy.com/home/news-archive/1955-la-noires-future-on-xbox-360-again-in-question-because-of-dvd
2. Closed system for Direct X - http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-directx-360-performance-blog-entry,
3. Closed system for Live- http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/closed-xbox-live-blocked-ffxiv, http://exophase.com/xbox360/valve-wants-steamworks-on-xbox-360-17841.htm,
4. Microsoft milking its costumers and others. Live, HDD...
5. Lost of People who launched the Xbox = http://www.crunchgear.com/2010/05/25/microsofts-j-allard-and-robbie-bach-are-leaving-the-company/, Shane Kim, and http://news.teamxbox.com/xbox/19994/John-Schappert-Returns-to-EA/ ... other high ranking members that
6. Lost of Game exclusive= most of the first games that came out with Xbox 360, Developer Bungie...

to a lesser extent MS problems with Xbox RROD,http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/101/1014486p1.html(pay attention to MicrosoftRESPONCE... they do not deny it)

First though DVD9 seemed like a good choice in the begining it is now affecting games.... Sure they CAN use more disks but for OPEN world games this option would not work like with LA Noires. If they use more compression the power to decompress and visuals would be affected. AND with not all Xbox 360 with HDD it makes it more difficult.

In the end I see Microsoft lanching a new console by 2012 at the latest. YEA, I know that Kinect is out but Microsoft seems to be focusing on Causal gamers withKinect this gen.

Ravenlore_basic

I guess I don't see the problems. The 360 has some exclusives, multiplats that look and run better on the 360 because it is easy to program for, kinect launch which offers a different experience than Move and the Wii and has uses outside of games, you have Windows Media Center integration with the 360 and possibly with Kinect.

I've had my fair share of RROD or disc tray problems , maybe 5 in total, but I have never had to pay for repairs. I have always just had one 360 and I never blamed MS really. I like to be real and I beat the heck out of these consoles. They are on 24/7 365 a year. I smoke like a fiend and don't dust. Classic bachelor pad. If my console breaks down it deserves it. Not sure how some people end up buying 5 360's but whatver. I've also never had problems with discs getting scratched. I am not saying it doesn't happen but I would bet money that the majority of people complaining about it are the ones at fault.

VladJasonDrac

I guess in one respect there is no problems... to others there is

• Epic gears of war 3 will be the last game in the series... its next projects will be Multiplatform
• Bungi is now making games for multiplatform and their main story for Halo is finished.
• Valve is not making games for both consoles and is bringing a form of steam to PS3 and have stated that a better form of their games will be made on PS3
• Mass Effect which many said would NOT COME to PS3 is not coming with Mass Effect 2 and 3
• Take Two is having problems with Xbox 360 DVD9 storage.... Will this effect GTA5 and Next Red Dead series like it has effected LA Noire??

In the end Still MS is not losing out much in that the games will still be going to Xbox 360.

I guess I don't see the problems. The 360 has some exclusives, multiplats that look and run better on the 360 because it is easy to program for, kinect launch which offers a different experience than Move and the Wii and has uses outside of games, you have Windows Media Center integration with the 360 and possibly with Kinect.

I've had my fair share of RROD or disc tray problems , maybe 5 in total, but I have never had to pay for repairs. I have always just had one 360 and I never blamed MS really. I like to be real and I beat the heck out of these consoles. They are on 24/7 365 a year. I smoke like a fiend and don't dust. Classic bachelor pad. If my console breaks down it deserves it. Not sure how some people end up buying 5 360's but whatver. I've also never had problems with discs getting scratched. I am not saying it doesn't happen but I would bet money that the majority of people complaining about it are the ones at fault.

VladJasonDrac

I guess as long as MS is happy with slim Net profits then yes there is no problem.

as put so Eloquently earlier.....It's been nearly 5 years PS3 is STILL LAST and 360 is STILL delivering the goods and raking in billions while all Sony has is Exclusives,arrogance,Red Ink and the prize for THIRD PLACE.
Cows need to give up already.

bryn8150

The only things we have are exclusives :( How dissapointing.
I want the best sales for my console so I can brag about it on internet damnit! Who needs games anway? :?

[QUOTE="Riverwolf007"]

it's been 5 years, i am literally begging for a new xbox. hurry up already 6 years is way too long for a console which basically ships obsolete.

Ravenlore_basic

For some this is true, but it will last longer than this year, Microsoft only anounced Xbox 360 the year it came out, not before. So we will know the year it is to launch. I'm GUESSING 2012, it may not come out 2011. But if it does that would be 6 years of Xbox 360 a good run.

Its no biggie, Xbox 360 will continue to sale even with MS 3rd console on the market. I'm just giving reasons for the problems the Xbox 360 faces from now on. These were not problems in the past but they are becoming more and more relivent as the months go by.

if there is to be a 2011 or 2012 next gen reboot games have most likely been in production for over a year now.

as put so Eloquently earlier.....It's been nearly 5 years PS3 is STILL LAST and 360 is STILL delivering the goods and raking in billions while all Sony has is Exclusives,arrogance,Red Ink and the prize for THIRD PLACE.
Cows need to give up already.

bryn8150

ITs going to be 5 for Xbox360 and only 4 for PS3.... and still PS3 exclusives from 2009 can compete with Xbox 360 games from 2010

Forgot to mention the live increase, because MS has to milk them fans as much as possible http://www.joystiq.com/2010/08/30/xbox-live-subscription-prices-to-rise-60-for-1-year-beginning/

Half of those points are advantages or just not true. Closed to Live? Multiplats are no longer better on 360? Seriously?

[QUOTE="xbox360isgr8t"]with what probably 25-30 million 360 owners worldwide or whatever it is I think kinect can easily sell about 1 million units in the first 1-2 months. Thats not a lot but thats roughly $150 million plus you figure a 2 or 3 game attach rate. This thing can make money but it all depends on how much ms put into it to determine how big of a profit they get early.CuteCakes

42 million already? Well, that´s just as much as Megadrive, my favourite console ever :)

You should have realized one thing that 360s user base is a lot, including those who do not really look forward to it but have purchased it like me ! It will take time. And these flaws will affect the next xbox not the 360 now.

Half of those points are advantages or just not true. Closed to Live? Multiplats are no longer better on 360? Seriously?

PAL360

I posted the links to back it up... what ya got old games that are advantageous to your beliefs... things change and as developers now know how to program for PS3 with tools.... they have been able to make better games on PS3 as the links show...