Xbox 360 has PS3 beat in most factors that determine a quality gaming machine.

[QUOTE="finalfantasy94"]

Hows that an excuse? Its the dam truth. 360 was out first and longer thefore getting more games then the PS3. So of course it has a bigger libary with more A and so on. Also the the only thing I see that xbl has over PSN is instant invite to a game,private chat,party chat and netflix which on can use on my PC if I had it.

Blackbond

Because you're using the 360's one year head start as an excuse. Nobody told Sony they had to delay their PS3 either. You can't change the fact that it came out a year earlier it is what it is. Harboring on the whole one year thing is an excuse. It is what it is and reality isn't changing from what it is. This is exactly why you see people go, "But but you can't count 360 games that were out before PS3 you have to count the ones that came out from PS3 onward!"

No you don't. I mean hell you realize that there is an advantage of coming out first and now you're seeing it. You just can't go and discredit on means about how its not fair or whatever. It is what it is.

blackbond.......spewing his wisdom on my thread? im honoured

Name those games then, please.GreyFoXX4

its on gamespot lazy......

"top games"....lists 50 games per page ranging from AAA-A.

youll lol as to the number of A-AAA 360 has over PS3. Remember, its 50 games per page.

[QUOTE="PrinceofSarcasm"]Plus we got Home.thegame1980

LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL!!!! :lol:

You're kidding right...right?

Home?????

PLEASE say you're kidding?

[QUOTE="Animal-Mother"]

Still sore from game of the year, dude just get over it the PS3 had a much better year than the 360 More AAA's and AAAAE's A game of the year, and 2 best graphics awards for MGS4, and VKC the DC is funny

Cole-Protocal

whos talking damage control? Congrats on the GOTY. Im talking about cocky cows that are forgetting that they are supporting a 3rd place console, and that overall, when its all said and done....still cant match the 360.

[QUOTE="Itinerant_Voice"]

Will the "better online" thing please stop? Not everyone wants to pay $50 a year to play multiplayer games. Live might be a plus for some people, but for some others (like myself) it is a huge reason NOT to use 360's online features. Two years of Xbox Live and the 360 [with a hard drive] costs the same as a PS3, minus the Blu-ray player (which was not addressed here, why get an incomplete high definition setup?). No thank you.

Perhaps Xbox 360 does have the PS3 beat as a pure gaming machine per the cost (especially if you only play single-player games, have no interest in DLC and multimedia features and therefore don't need the hard drive). I don't know if cows really try to argue that point. The idea is that the PS3 gives you more for the money, a quality gaming machine with more functionality, more durability and less need to spend money on accessories or other things in general, and more multimedia options.

If those things don't matter to a gamer, then the 360 is the better option for them.

thegame1980

So, you wanna talk about LIVE costing 50 dollars A YEAR an issue (Considering LIVE trumps PSN in every form) yet include Blu-ray in the arsenal of PS3's greatness. Well...what do you need to do to take advantage of this? BUY movies and MOSt of these fancy, dancy Blu-ray movies cost 30 dollars and up, so where's the justification in that? People can buy DVD's for a THIRD of that! Not to mention with digital download (like on Xbox or from your cable provider) becoming the norm AND cheaper I might add in HD no less what's the point of Blu-ray? 360 can also do just about EVERY other multimedia function as PS3 other then surf the web, but really is it worth it?

Yes, I did include Blu-Ray in the arsenal of the PS3's greatness, because Blu-Ray matters to me. I don't want to forced into digital distribution to take advantage of my high definition television. The PS3 gives me the choice of getting, say, the Dark Knight in Hi-Def on PSN or going to store and buying a physical Blu-Ray copy with lots of extras. I like that.

I like that I could turn my PS3 into a computer if I wanted to. It's functionality, whether or not it's practical. It means I could carry my PS3 with me instead of my laptop and check my email through Wi-Fi anywhere I bring it. I don't know how useful that is, but it is certainly empowering.

Regardless, my point on XBL was that 2 years of it and you already have the cost of the PS3. That's not for me, because I like to play games online but don't need XBL's extras. If Microsoft gave the option for free online gaming with Silver, then online would indeed be a plus. But if 2 years of it eradicates the other plus listed for the 360 (cost), then one of those two is no longer a "plus".

I personally use a PS3 and Xbox 360 Arcade in combination. I found it to be the most cost effective combination. My 360 plays games that the PS3 doesn't have or single-player multiplats that are better on 360. My PS3 does everything else. I have no fear of my 360 RROD'ing because I use it sparingly. It's the combination that works best for me and kept the cost of consoles + extras under $600.

[QUOTE="Cole-Protocal"][QUOTE="Animal-Mother"]

Still sore from game of the year, dude just get over it the PS3 had a much better year than the 360 More AAA's and AAAAE's A game of the year, and 2 best graphics awards for MGS4, and VKC the DC is funny

ermacness

whos talking damage control? Congrats on the GOTY. Im talking about cocky cows that are forgetting that they are supporting a 3rd place console, and that overall, when its all said and done....still cant match the 360.

in terms of quantity (# of games), quality (total A-AAA), and online quality, 360 has PS3 beat.

Those are the 3 main points gamers care about.

[QUOTE="Floppy_Jim"]I would agree, except that I think the PS3 has better games, hence is the better game machine. So.......I disagree.Animal-Mother

[QUOTE="thegame1980"]

[QUOTE="PrinceofSarcasm"]Plus we got Home.GodofBigMacs

LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL!!!! :lol:

You're kidding right...right?

Home?????

PLEASE say you're kidding?

not only did we copy Miis....but we made them taller, better, faster stronger......

and we can dress them! Plus they dont have a skeleton torso and legs like the miis thank god.

[QUOTE="ermacness"][QUOTE="Cole-Protocal"]

whos talking damage control? Congrats on the GOTY. Im talking about cocky cows that are forgetting that they are supporting a 3rd place console, and that overall, when its all said and done....still cant match the 360.

Cole-Protocal

in terms of quantity (# of games), quality (total A-AAA), and online quality, 360 has PS3 beat.

Those are the 3 main points gamers care about.

[QUOTE="Cole-Protocal"][QUOTE="ermacness"]in your opinion because i believe that there are some points where the ps3 excels over the 360ermacness

in terms of quantity (# of games), quality (total A-AAA), and online quality, 360 has PS3 beat.

Those are the 3 main points gamers care about.

"gamers only care about good games"

Again, 360 has more A, AA, and AAA games then PS3.

/end debate

"gamers only care about good games"

Again, 360 has more A, AA, and AAA games then PS3.

/end debate

[QUOTE="ermacness"][QUOTE="Cole-Protocal"]

in terms of quantity (# of games), quality (total A-AAA), and online quality, 360 has PS3 beat.

Those are the 3 main points gamers care about.

Cole-Protocal

"gamers only care about good games"

Again, 360 has more A, AA, and AAA games then PS3.

/end debate

[QUOTE="Cole-Protocal"][QUOTE="ermacness"]actually, gamers only care about good games, not how many great games a console have over another. Only fanboys care about thing of those sort for bragging rightsermacness

"gamers only care about good games"

Again, 360 has more A, AA, and AAA games then PS3.

/end debate

sure 05-06 games still sell.

I see Kameo, PD0, and GRAW, viva pinata, ranging from $10-$20.

They are a bargain, and still sell. Pus their AA-AAA statua they got when they were reviewed still stand today whether u like it or not.

How many people buy a 360 today and go pick up PDZ or GRAW? EXACTLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! BTW, i saw that you stated that the year earlier head start is just a excuse. Well if the 360 came out in 06 with the ps3 and given the fact that the ps3 BLEW out the 360 in 07 in WW sales. It'll be safe to say that the 360 lead would not be as big as it is right now today, heck it wouldn't be a stretch to say that the ps3 would've been out in frontermacness

More exuses and hypothetical wishful thinking scenarios. I still buy PS2 games, I still buy Dreamcast games, I still search for retro games so why wouldn't anyone buy games that are only just 2 and 3 years old lol.

Again trying to dismiss they year head start BUT BUT IF TEH SONY RELEASED THEN IT WOULD HAVE!!!! Yeah but it didn't and unless you have a time machine you can't change that fact. And if Sony had got that machine out then it would have been more the $600 at that and none of the games would even have been finished.

So saying things like its safe to say and how it wouldn't be a stretch. Leave the faerie tales for bed time. This is reality you have know means of changing the current reality hence why you are making exuses.

[QUOTE="ermacness"][QUOTE="Cole-Protocal"]

"gamers only care about good games"

Again, 360 has more A, AA, and AAA games then PS3.

/end debate

Cole-Protocal

sure 05-06 games still sell.

I see Kameo, PD0, and GRAW, viva pinata, ranging from $10-$20.

They are a bargain, and still sell. Pus their AA-AAA statua they got when they were reviewed still stand today whether u like it or not.

[QUOTE="ermacness"]How many people buy a 360 today and go pick up PDZ or GRAW? EXACTLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! BTW, i saw that you stated that the year earlier head start is just a excuse. Well if the 360 came out in 06 with the ps3 and given the fact that the ps3 BLEW out the 360 in 07 in WW sales. It'll be safe to say that the 360 lead would not be as big as it is right now today, heck it wouldn't be a stretch to say that the ps3 would've been out in frontBlackbond

More exuses and hypothetical wishful thinking scenarios. I still buy PS2 games, I still buy Dreamcast games, I still search for retro games so why wouldn't anyone buy games that are only just 2 and 3 years old lol.

Again trying to dismiss they year head start BUT BUT IF TEH SONY RELEASED THEN IT WOULD HAVE!!!! Yeah but it didn't and unless you have a time machine you can't change that fact. And if Sony had got that machine out then it would have been more the $600 at that and none of the games would even have been finished.

So saying things like its safe to say and how it wouldn't be a stretch. Leave the faerie tales for bed time. This is reality you have know means of changing the current reality hence why you are making exuses.

You must love bashing the PS3, your harbouring on obsession.

1) Of course the Library is bigger, its been out a year longer than the PS3.

2) Quality, and Variety, PS3 will come up with better titles, but it's a year behind. Sony had a bad release.

3) As for Online, you get what you paid for. My online is still fun, and free.

4) Your pulling number of sales when the PS3 was released A YEAR LATER! Of course its sales are lower.

5) Hardware and reliability I think both are equal, Xbox has the annoying RROD but its almost fixed.

Your making the usual argument and its not using unbiased opinion. Everything you just said is mostly due to the PS3's late release, I think you'd be singing a different tune had both consoles released simultaneously..

Lalucar

I swear I feel like I am reading the same responses 2 years in a row

"next year the year of the ps3!!!111"

Library - 360 simply has more games available, more then 200 if you include XBLA. 200 ppl........

Quality - More A, AA, and AAA games then PS3. Thats quality right there.

Online - XBox Live has more features then PSN period.

Variety - With more then 200 games available, 360 naturally has more casual offerings and more games per genre to choose from in comparison to PS3s library.

Sales - The true measure to determine ones success in the marketplace. Also so developers continue to show support for the console. Here the 360 currently has a 8 million and climbing lead on PS3 globally.

Cost - Xbox 360 is at a more mass market price point and easier to buy then PS3.

Hardware - PS3 simply includes more out of the box.

Reliability - PS3 wins here too, but RROD failure rates have dropped dramatically since 2005.

Just figured I lay it all out there....im seeing a lot of cows that act like they are in 2nd place...........you arent.

those games might sell, but nowhere near bragging rights i'm sure. I'm not denying their status but gamers don't care about "how many games a console have over another" they only care about good games ermacness

Um gamers do care about how many games a console has over another. That's how they make a decision on buying a system. Console A has this many good games but Console B has more good games then Console A so I think I'll go with console B.

That's like common sense man. The consumer will buy the console that appeals the most to them.

[QUOTE="Cole-Protocal"]

"gamers only care about good games"

Again, 360 has more A, AA, and AAA games then PS3.

/end debate

clone01

TRUST ME If you BUY a 360 now today and buy a game from 05, you are in the minority of gamers who does that. If you already have a 360 or a ps3 and do that ok (even though you're still in the minority), but who buys a console today just to get a game from 05?ermacness

If you buy anything not named Nintendo Wii you are in the minority of gamers :roll:

We are gamers posting on a web forum. We are the absolute minority. Who buys a console to get games from 05? I just picked up a Sega Saturn last year. The point being that the games are there and they are available if someone should want them rather then not being available at all. You just don't discredit a game because its old.

See while people like you probably spend $60 on a new game BlackBond only buys a couple of new releases each year. I buy more of what came out last year because then with that $60 I can buy 3 games instead of 1.

Call it smart buying or whatever.

[QUOTE="ermacness"]those games might sell, but nowhere near bragging rights i'm sure. I'm not denying their status but gamers don't care about "how many games a console have over another" they only care about good games Blackbond

Um gamers do care about how many games a console has over another. That's how they make a decision on buying a system. Console A has this many good games but Console B has more good games then Console A so I think I'll go with console B.

That's like common sense man. The consumer will buy the console that appeals the most to them.

[QUOTE="ermacness"]TRUST ME If you BUY a 360 now today and buy a game from 05, you are in the minority of gamers who does that. If you already have a 360 or a ps3 and do that ok (even though you're still in the minority), but who buys a console today just to get a game from 05?Blackbond

If you buy anything not named Nintendo Wii you are in the minority of gamers :roll:

We are gamers posting on a web forum. We are the absolute minority. Who buys a console to get games from 05? I just picked up a Sega Saturn last year. The point being that the games are there and they are available if someone should want them rather then not being available at all. You just don't discredit a game because its old.

See while people like you probably spend $60 on a new game BlackBond only buys a couple of new releases each year. I buy more of what came out last year because then with that $60 I can buy 3 games instead of 1.

Call it smart buying or whatever.

[QUOTE="ermacness"][QUOTE="Blackbond"]

Um gamers do care about how many games a console has over another. That's how they make a decision on buying a system. Console A has this many good games but Console B has more good games then Console A so I think I'll go with console B.

That's like common sense man. The consumer will buy the console that appeals the most to them.

Cole-Protocal

its called the Playstation brand.

PS1 and PS2 were #1 each. That kinda builds up a good rep against the new Xbox brand.

Thats why PS3 outsold 360, many consumers are uninformed and buy the next playstation.......just because it says "playstation"

thats what disjusts me.

Luckily the price gap coupled by the recession actually is making the consumer smarter and actually doing research as to whats a better buy.

Library - 360 simply has more games available, more then 200 if you include XBLA. 200 ppl........

Quality - More A, AA, and AAA games then PS3. Thats quality right there.

Online - XBox Live has more features then PSN period.

Variety - With more then 200 games available, 360 naturally has more casual offerings and more games per genre to choose from in comparison to PS3s library.

Sales - The true measure to determine ones success in the marketplace. Also so developers continue to show support for the console. Here the 360 currently has a 8 million and climbing lead on PS3 globally.

Cost - Xbox 360 is at a more mass market price point and easier to buy then PS3.

Hardware - PS3 simply includes more out of the box.

Reliability - PS3 wins here too, but RROD failure rates have dropped dramatically since 2005.

Just figured I lay it all out there....im seeing a lot of cows that act like they are in 2nd place...........you arent.

[QUOTE="Cole-Protocal"][QUOTE="ermacness"]Really??!?!?!?!? Ok mr Blackbond the 360 always had a overall superior line-up over the ps3 right? In 06, 07 and in 08 right? So why in the world the the ps3 outsold the 360 in NA (or nearly everywhere) for the earlier part of this year? The 360 always had the superior line-up especially coming off of the 07 debacle, Why was the ps3 able to outsell the 360 in the earlier part of this year?ermacness

its called the Playstation brand.

PS1 and PS2 were #1 each. That kinda builds up a good rep against the new Xbox brand.

Thats why PS3 outsold 360, many consumers are uninformed and buy the next playstation.......just because it says "playstation"

thats what disjusts me.

Luckily the price gap coupled by the recession actually is making the consumer smarter and actually doing research as to whats a better buy.

it was. In europe and japan, sony brand loyalty is extremely strong there. Thats how sony managed to outsell 360 in 07 and the half of 08....europe and japan.

If you think sony brand loyalty doesnt exist then you can just leave now. luckily the september price cuts and the recession was a strong one-two punch to make even europeans question their loyalty to sony. Japans still a work in progress lol.

[QUOTE="Cole-Protocal"]

Library - 360 simply has more games available, more then 200 if you include XBLA. 200 ppl........

Quality - More A, AA, and AAA games then PS3. Thats quality right there.

Online - XBox Live has more features then PSN period.

Variety - With more then 200 games available, 360 naturally has more casual offerings and more games per genre to choose from in comparison to PS3s library.

Sales - The true measure to determine ones success in the marketplace. Also so developers continue to show support for the console. Here the 360 currently has a 8 million and climbing lead on PS3 globally.

Cost - Xbox 360 is at a more mass market price point and easier to buy then PS3.

Hardware - PS3 simply includes more out of the box.

Reliability - PS3 wins here too, but RROD failure rates have dropped dramatically since 2005.

Just figured I lay it all out there....im seeing a lot of cows that act like they are in 2nd place...........you arent.

ps3weee

[QUOTE="Blackbond"]

[QUOTE="ermacness"]those games might sell, but nowhere near bragging rights i'm sure. I'm not denying their status but gamers don't care about "how many games a console have over another" they only care about good games ermacness

Um gamers do care about how many games a console has over another. That's how they make a decision on buying a system. Console A has this many good games but Console B has more good games then Console A so I think I'll go with console B.

That's like common sense man. The consumer will buy the console that appeals the most to them.

Because obviously when people evaluated both consoles they sought to buy the PS3 over the 360. What do you think they sit up and look at game scores or something? Look at the Wii. Consumers evaluated it and its games as better suiting them. To them the Wii has more games that are to their taste hence its being bought.

[QUOTE="ermacness"]those games might sell, but nowhere near bragging rights i'm sure. I'm not denying their status but gamers don't care about "how many games a console have over another" they only care about good games Blackbond

Um gamers do care about how many games a console has over another. That's how they make a decision on buying a system. Console A has this many good games but Console B has more good games then Console A so I think I'll go with console B.

That's like common sense man. The consumer will buy the console that appeals the most to them.

I'd have to slightly disagree with you there about gamers choose about how many games a console has over another to choose when buying a system. I know many gamers who do not have the luxery of buying every all good games or even most good games for either console that come out because of either constraint on the amount of time they have to actually play the games, budget, and so on. I'm more inclined to believe that most people choose the console which has games they know will appeal to them because they only buy maybe a few games in the whole year. It's more of a question on personal preference than quantity.

[QUOTE="Blackbond"]

[QUOTE="ermacness"]TRUST ME If you BUY a 360 now today and buy a game from 05, you are in the minority of gamers who does that. If you already have a 360 or a ps3 and do that ok (even though you're still in the minority), but who buys a console today just to get a game from 05?ermacness

If you buy anything not named Nintendo Wii you are in the minority of gamers :roll:

We are gamers posting on a web forum. We are the absolute minority. Who buys a console to get games from 05? I just picked up a Sega Saturn last year. The point being that the games are there and they are available if someone should want them rather then not being available at all. You just don't discredit a game because its old.

See while people like you probably spend $60 on a new game BlackBond only buys a couple of new releases each year. I buy more of what came out last year because then with that $60 I can buy 3 games instead of 1.

Call it smart buying or whatever.

And very little people buy PS3's compared to Wii's. If you're going to into sales its not a battle the Sony camp can ever win. As far as games go much more people are buying software on the 360 anyways.

Bottom line is the games are there and the games exist. There are always those people that buy different consoles at the end of the gen or mid way through and go back and catch up on games.

[QUOTE="ermacness"][QUOTE="Cole-Protocal"]

its called the Playstation brand.

PS1 and PS2 were #1 each. That kinda builds up a good rep against the new Xbox brand.

Thats why PS3 outsold 360, many consumers are uninformed and buy the next playstation.......just because it says "playstation"

thats what disjusts me.

Luckily the price gap coupled by the recession actually is making the consumer smarter and actually doing research as to whats a better buy.

Cole-Protocal

it was. In europe and japan, sony brand loyalty is extremely strong there. Thats how sony managed to outsell 360 in 07 and the half of 08....europe and japan.

If you think sony brand loyalty doesnt exist then you can just leave now. luckily the september price cuts and the recession was a strong one-two punch to make even europeans question their loyalty to sony. Japans still a work in progress lol.

Library - 360 simply has more games available, more then 200 if you include XBLA. 200 ppl........

Quality - More A, AA, and AAA games then PS3. Thats quality right there.

Online - XBox Live has more features then PSN period.

Variety - With more then 200 games available, 360 naturally has more casual offerings and more games per genre to choose from in comparison to PS3s library.

Sales - The true measure to determine ones success in the marketplace. Also so developers continue to show support for the console. Here the 360 currently has a 8 million and climbing lead on PS3 globally.

Cost - Xbox 360 is at a more mass market price point and easier to buy then PS3.

Hardware - PS3 simply includes more out of the box.

Reliability - PS3 wins here too, but RROD failure rates have dropped dramatically since 2005.

Just figured I lay it all out there....im seeing a lot of cows that act like they are in 2nd place...........you arent.

[QUOTE="Blackbond"]

[QUOTE="ermacness"]those games might sell, but nowhere near bragging rights i'm sure. I'm not denying their status but gamers don't care about "how many games a console have over another" they only care about good games tmntPunchout

Um gamers do care about how many games a console has over another. That's how they make a decision on buying a system. Console A has this many good games but Console B has more good games then Console A so I think I'll go with console B.

That's like common sense man. The consumer will buy the console that appeals the most to them.

I'd have to slightly disagree with you there about gamers choose about how many games a console has over another to choose when buying a system. I know many gamers who do not have the luxery of buying every all good games or even most good games for either console that come out because of either constraint on the amount of time they have to actually play the games, budget, and so on. I'm more inclined to believe that most people choose the console which has games they know will appeal to them because they only buy maybe a few games in the whole year. It's more of a question on personal preference than quantity.

Stating which console has the best games is an opinion after all. Its only when people start to use scores that their logic goes wayward. Because if you are going by scores then one way or another you're going to be right or wrong.

Hence when people say Console A is the best look at these AAA games! Not even realizing that Console B and C have more AAA games total. THings like that.

I don't get why people say Live is better than PSN. I can get online and play games with both except one is free. Maybe it is because I am not an online socialite and I don't use every feature available. Anyway, I have both systems and I love the games on both, but for me the PS3 wins. Better, reliable hardware and IMO better exclusives.orbis_mortis

[QUOTE="ermacness"][QUOTE="Blackbond"]

If you buy anything not named Nintendo Wii you are in the minority of gamers :roll:

We are gamers posting on a web forum. We are the absolute minority. Who buys a console to get games from 05? I just picked up a Sega Saturn last year. The point being that the games are there and they are available if someone should want them rather then not being available at all. You just don't discredit a game because its old.

See while people like you probably spend $60 on a new game BlackBond only buys a couple of new releases each year. I buy more of what came out last year because then with that $60 I can buy 3 games instead of 1.

Call it smart buying or whatever.

Blackbond

And very little people buy PS3's compared to Wii's. If you're going to into sales its not a battle the Sony camp can ever win. As far as games go much more people are buying software on the 360 anyways.

Bottom line is the games are there and the games exist. There are always those people that buy different consoles at the end of the gen or mid way through and go back and catch up on games.

[QUOTE="Cole-Protocal"][QUOTE="ermacness"]Ok, and with that sir you just have excused yourself from the argument. If "brand loyalty" was the issue here, don't you think that the ps3 would've been doing this in 07??!?!?!!! Very little to nothing change in Jan of 08 from Dec of 07 in the software line up to justify the ps3 dominance in the earlier part of 08. So why did it outsell the 360 for the earlier part of 08?ermacness

it was. In europe and japan, sony brand loyalty is extremely strong there. Thats how sony managed to outsell 360 in 07 and the half of 08....europe and japan.

If you think sony brand loyalty doesnt exist then you can just leave now. luckily the september price cuts and the recession was a strong one-two punch to make even europeans question their loyalty to sony. Japans still a work in progress lol.

when its all said and done, 360 has finally overcome the brand loyalty generated by PS1 and PS2, offcourse the success of Wii helped too.

what matter is now.....with 360 massively selling more then PS3 in both NA and europe, vastly offsetting the losses in japan. Dont play the sales card when PS3 is in 3rd place.

[QUOTE="Blackbond"][QUOTE="ermacness"]ok whatever but very few people buys a game 2-3 year later. VERY LITTLEermacness

And very little people buy PS3's compared to Wii's. If you're going to into sales its not a battle the Sony camp can ever win. As far as games go much more people are buying software on the 360 anyways.

Bottom line is the games are there and the games exist. There are always those people that buy different consoles at the end of the gen or mid way through and go back and catch up on games.

basically admitting defeat right there. gg cow.

oh and with 360 having more A-AAA then PS3 = more quality.

just thought u should know

[QUOTE="tmntPunchout"][QUOTE="Blackbond"]

Um gamers do care about how many games a console has over another. That's how they make a decision on buying a system. Console A has this many good games but Console B has more good games then Console A so I think I'll go with console B.

That's like common sense man. The consumer will buy the console that appeals the most to them.

Blackbond

I'd have to slightly disagree with you there about gamers choose about how many games a console has over another to choose when buying a system. I know many gamers who do not have the luxery of buying every all good games or even most good games for either console that come out because of either constraint on the amount of time they have to actually play the games, budget, and so on. I'm more inclined to believe that most people choose the console which has games they know will appeal to them because they only buy maybe a few games in the whole year. It's more of a question on personal preference than quantity.

Stating which console has the best games is an opinion after all. Its only when people start to use scores that their logic goes wayward. Because if you are going by scores then one way or another you're going to be right or wrong.

Hence when people say Console A is the best look at these AAA games! Not even realizing that Console B and C have more AAA games total. THings like that.

That's what I'm talking about, in your post you regarded quantity as a standard on how people choose the system. I agree with this post though. Also, you're use of "good" in that post could have meant many things so I thought you were regarding to scores by reviewers.

[QUOTE="ermacness"][QUOTE="ps3weee"] true that , the fact that franchises like TEKKEN and FF will be on the 360 aswell proves MS is doing something right. Cows dont understand that what matters is WHERE the consoles is at RIGHT NOW ... thats what you try to prove , Why should i buy 360 right NOW instead of a ps3 ... They come with their " But its a year later " it dosnt matter , since they are competing with each other right now thats all thats matters... The fact that ps3 is a year later out its on sony to blame...ps3weee

[QUOTE="ermacness"][QUOTE="Cole-Protocal"]

it was. In europe and japan, sony brand loyalty is extremely strong there. Thats how sony managed to outsell 360 in 07 and the half of 08....europe and japan.

If you think sony brand loyalty doesnt exist then you can just leave now. luckily the september price cuts and the recession was a strong one-two punch to make even europeans question their loyalty to sony. Japans still a work in progress lol.

Cole-Protocal

when its all said and done, 360 has finally overcome the brand loyalty generated by PS1 and PS2, offcourse the success of Wii helped too.

what matter is now.....with 360 massively selling more then PS3 in both NA and europe, vastly offsetting the losses in japan. Dont play the sales card when PS3 is in 3rd place.

well go ahead and play quantity with Cole Protocal. I'll be over here playing GS's GOTY on my PS3ermacness

Go right ahead. The second you use GS's opinion on the claims of GOTY you lost your arguement. Because if you're going to use GS's opinion then you'd realize according to GS the 360 has more quality games. Quantity? Going by the logic or rather GS's logic you choose to follow its quality and quantity.

To be defeated by your own logic.

Are you upset the PS3 is a gigantic failure comapred to PS2..........that your behind both the Wii and 360 by a growing gap..........feeling that your in a minority that actually thinks the PS3 is a good gaming machine comapred to the competition.....having trouble sleeping at night?

[QUOTE="Cole-Protocal"]

Are you upset the PS3 is a gigantic failure comapred to PS2..........that your behind both the Wii and 360 by a growing gap..........feeling that your in a minority that actually thinks the PS3 is a good gaming machine comapred to the competition.....having trouble sleeping at night?

clone01

oh i agree there. its definately a good machine.

but im glad the people who actually think its "better" then the 360 is becoming a smaller and amaller minority, as it should be.