Xbox 360 Has The Best Graphics.

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#151 Filthybastrd
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[QUOTE="topgunmv"]

[QUOTE="charlesdarwin55"] No they don't and the only comparision that has been done afaik is LoT which gave a clear victory to kz3. And yes the lightning looks better than the ps3 exclusives but that's pretty much it, character models are pretty descent too. But anyway people get crazy about the lightning and then thinks it's the best looking when it really isn't.

charlesdarwin55

"both Crysis 2 and Killzone 3 have a slew of next generation rendering techniques that only high end PC'swith decked outSLI graphics cards are able to achieve."

That's from lens of truth's comparison. You sure you want to hang your hat on a site that said something so unbelievably stupid?

Sure you're right but at least they are more trustworthy than IGNorant.

Did LoT really write that? Surely they know that's incredibly incorrect.

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#152 mitu123
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[QUOTE="mitu123"]

[QUOTE="charlesdarwin55"] Yes there is a massive difference. Just look at crysis 2. Looks pretty good on Utube looks pretty crap when playing. And show me one of them direct feed then?charlesdarwin55

Direct feed isn't there yet for the final game, as the game still isn't done, or it'll be released shortly, those kinds of vids are normally near release. Youtube compresses vids depending on what you use to capture it so that's the reason, and Crysis 2 isn't all terrible, it looks just what it looks like in graphics just captured differently, I mean, look at this direct feed.

Doesn't look much different either.

Looks alot different. Looks worse like blockier somehow and darker and blurrier yet you can't see all the jaggies and low res texture. you gotta play the game for yourself.

You didn't see jaggies and low res textures? Pause at 2:01.

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#153 mitu123
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lol

Look, aliasing everywhere. And this is a pic, when it gets in motion it looks even worse.

charlesdarwin55

Why on earth would you use that? Did you even play Crysis 2? That's from the GDC demo. Where's the HUD for that matter? Why is the suit and gun model different from the final game? In fact, the suit looked better than that.:?

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#154 charlesdarwin55
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[QUOTE="charlesdarwin55"]

[QUOTE="soulitane"] IGN called it the best looking game on consoles. Lens of truth said it looked FANTASTIC They never said that KZ3 was in a league of it's own or anything on them lines, all they said is that it looked better, something that I haven't denied. The only person I see saying that they're in a league of their own is you.soulitane

IGN lol. First of all that's just praise and that's one guy being impressed by some lightning effects. Did he back up his statement somehow??

They did say the victory to KZ3 was pretty clear. Still LoT trying to give facts and not their opinion, at least they're trying so they aren't gonna say oh wow this was mesmerizing!! they say better textures etc. Still they didn't cover it all.

You haven't substantiated your argument either, you've just said things look better and that makes it look vastly better. I'll put this simply for you, gears 2 does everything better than gears 1 but that doesn't make it look vastly better. It just means it looks better. Then you post a pic that was from months before release and say the game looks like that which leads me to believe you haven't played the game because it looks much better than that.

I haven't played gears 1 or 2 so can't comment on that.

Well regardless, in motion the game looks even worse cause then you get slow fps(worse on xbox), screen tearing(xbox), the jaggies really becomes noticable, ghosting and bad motion blur and of course the worse animations. Also if you play KZ3 & C2 close to another you'll see this.

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#155 JIGGADOG420
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[QUOTE="charlesdarwin55"]

Look, aliasing everywhere. And this is a pic, when it gets in motion it looks even worse.

soulitane

That pic was shown months before release, it looks nothing like that when playing.

yea it looks worse.
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#156 charlesdarwin55
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[QUOTE="mitu123"]

[QUOTE="charlesdarwin55"][QUOTE="mitu123"] Direct feed isn't there yet for the final game, as the game still isn't done, or it'll be released shortly, those kinds of vids are normally near release. Youtube compresses vids depending on what you use to capture it so that's the reason, and Crysis 2 isn't all terrible, it looks just what it looks like in graphics just captured differently, I mean, look at this direct feed.

Doesn't look much different either.

Looks alot different. Looks worse like blockier somehow and darker and blurrier yet you can't see all the jaggies and low res texture. you gotta play the game for yourself.

You didn't see jaggies and low res textures? Pause at 2:01.

Well it's easier when you play you cause you see them all the time and no I didn't see it, not alot. Maybe it's my computer or sometinhg.
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#157 charlesdarwin55
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[QUOTE="mitu123"]

[QUOTE="charlesdarwin55"]

lol

Look, aliasing everywhere. And this is a pic, when it gets in motion it looks even worse.

Why on earth would you use that? Did you even play Crysis 2? That's from the GDC demo. Where's the HUD for that matter? Why is the suit and gun model different from the final game? In fact, the suit looked better than that.:?

Clumsy from me I didn't realize it was an old build. I'm sorry. Still it looks even worse in motion for aforementioned reasons.
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#158 charlesdarwin55
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[QUOTE="JIGGADOG420"][QUOTE="soulitane"]

[QUOTE="charlesdarwin55"]

Look, aliasing everywhere. And this is a pic, when it gets in motion it looks even worse.

That pic was shown months before release, it looks nothing like that when playing.

yea it looks worse.

This guy knows what he's talking about. Sure there is more jaggies but overall it looks sharper... cause u aint moving and nothing going on onscreen.
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#159 soulitane
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[QUOTE="soulitane"][QUOTE="charlesdarwin55"] IGN lol. First of all that's just praise and that's one guy being impressed by some lightning effects. Did he back up his statement somehow??

They did say the victory to KZ3 was pretty clear. Still LoT trying to give facts and not their opinion, at least they're trying so they aren't gonna say oh wow this was mesmerizing!! they say better textures etc. Still they didn't cover it all.

charlesdarwin55

You haven't substantiated your argument either, you've just said things look better and that makes it look vastly better. I'll put this simply for you, gears 2 does everything better than gears 1 but that doesn't make it look vastly better. It just means it looks better. Then you post a pic that was from months before release and say the game looks like that which leads me to believe you haven't played the game because it looks much better than that.

I haven't played gears 1 or 2 so can't comment on that.

Well regardless, in motion the game looks even worse cause then you get slow fps(worse on xbox), screen tearing(xbox), the jaggies really becomes noticable, ghosting and bad motion blur and of course the worse animations. Also if you play KZ3 & C2 close to another you'll see this.

It sure doesn't look worse than that pic you showed, didn't notice any screen tearing, jaggies were noticeable in both to me, never noticed ghosting and the blur wasn't too much of a problem. It looks worse sure but the difference isn't that big, both have been complemented for being some of the best on consoles and not just from IGN.
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#160 mitu123
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[QUOTE="mitu123"]

[QUOTE="charlesdarwin55"] Looks alot different. Looks worse like blockier somehow and darker and blurrier yet you can't see all the jaggies and low res texture. you gotta play the game for yourself.charlesdarwin55

You didn't see jaggies and low res textures? Pause at 2:01.

Well it's easier when you play you cause you see them all the time and no I didn't see it, not alot. Maybe it's my computer or sometinhg.

There's jaggies on the brick column along with a texture with little to no detail that looks worse than the brick walls.
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#161 charlesdarwin55
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Anyway I answer you people tomorrow. Goodnight

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#162 soulitane
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[QUOTE="soulitane"]

[QUOTE="charlesdarwin55"]

Look, aliasing everywhere. And this is a pic, when it gets in motion it looks even worse.

JIGGADOG420

That pic was shown months before release, it looks nothing like that when playing.

yea it looks worse.

No it doesn't, it looks much better than that pic, if you actually played the game you would know that.
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#163 topgunmv
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[QUOTE="charlesdarwin55"][QUOTE="topgunmv"]

"both Crysis 2 and Killzone 3 have a slew of next generation rendering techniques that only high end PC'swith decked outSLI graphics cards are able to achieve."

That's from lens of truth's comparison. You sure you want to hang your hat on a site that said something so unbelievably stupid?

Filthybastrd

Sure you're right but at least they are more trustworthy than IGNorant.

Did LoT really write that? Surely they know that's incredibly incorrect.

http://www.lensoftruth.com/head2head-killzone-3-vs-crysis-2-analysis/

2nd paragraph under the "graphics" heading near the top.

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#164 JIGGADOG420
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i own the game on ps3 and xbox360 and pc. even on pc max settings it still looks like crap textures suck ass in comparison to crysis warhead.
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#165 mitu123
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[QUOTE="mitu123"]

[QUOTE="charlesdarwin55"]

Look, aliasing everywhere. And this is a pic, when it gets in motion it looks even worse.

charlesdarwin55

Why on earth would you use that? Did you even play Crysis 2? That's from the GDC demo. Where's the HUD for that matter? Why is the suit and gun model different from the final game? In fact, the suit looked better than that.:?

Clumsy from me I didn't realize it was an old build. I'm sorry. Still it looks even worse in motion for aforementioned reasons.

The gun easily gave it away, it was only white in the final game and green in that shot. And by that screen it wouldn't get praised for it's graphics if the entire game looked like that anyways.:P

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#166 charlesdarwin55
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[QUOTE="charlesdarwin55"]

[QUOTE="soulitane"] You haven't substantiated your argument either, you've just said things look better and that makes it look vastly better. I'll put this simply for you, gears 2 does everything better than gears 1 but that doesn't make it look vastly better. It just means it looks better. Then you post a pic that was from months before release and say the game looks like that which leads me to believe you haven't played the game because it looks much better than that.soulitane

I haven't played gears 1 or 2 so can't comment on that.

Well regardless, in motion the game looks even worse cause then you get slow fps(worse on xbox), screen tearing(xbox), the jaggies really becomes noticable, ghosting and bad motion blur and of course the worse animations. Also if you play KZ3 & C2 close to another you'll see this.

It sure doesn't look worse than that pic you showed, didn't notice any screen tearing, jaggies were noticeable in both to me, never noticed ghosting and the blur wasn't too much of a problem. It looks worse sure but the difference isn't that big, both have been complemented for being some of the best on consoles and not just from IGN.

Yes much worse except for the jaggies.

screen tearing was minor but it was there in the xbox version, jaggies where in both but maybe they treated them differently in ps3 aa was terrible but I'm pretty sure that one is exactly the same in 360, blur was huge problem for me after playing KZ3 and other vastly superior ps3 exclusives. Since IGN said it was THE best looking console game they lost all credibilty, anyway saying it's one of the best looking is just praise u say that to alot of games.

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#167 charlesdarwin55
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[QUOTE="mitu123"]

[QUOTE="charlesdarwin55"][QUOTE="mitu123"] Why on earth would you use that? Did you even play Crysis 2? That's from the GDC demo. Where's the HUD for that matter? Why is the suit and gun model different from the final game? In fact, the suit looked better than that.:?

Clumsy from me I didn't realize it was an old build. I'm sorry. Still it looks even worse in motion for aforementioned reasons.

The gun easily gave it away, it was only white in the final game and green in that shot. And by that screen it wouldn't get praised for it's graphics if the entire game looked like that anyways.:P

heheh oops :oops:
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Anyway goodnight!

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#169 JIGGADOG420
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[QUOTE="Filthybastrd"]

[QUOTE="charlesdarwin55"] Sure you're right but at least they are more trustworthy than IGNorant.topgunmv

Did LoT really write that? Surely they know that's incredibly incorrect.

http://www.lensoftruth.com/head2head-killzone-3-vs-crysis-2-analysis/

2nd paragraph under the "graphics" heading near the top.

Overall, the graphics in Killzone 3 were more polished throughout. from lens of truth lol
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[QUOTE="soulitane"][QUOTE="charlesdarwin55"] I haven't played gears 1 or 2 so can't comment on that.

Well regardless, in motion the game looks even worse cause then you get slow fps(worse on xbox), screen tearing(xbox), the jaggies really becomes noticable, ghosting and bad motion blur and of course the worse animations. Also if you play KZ3 & C2 close to another you'll see this.

charlesdarwin55

It sure doesn't look worse than that pic you showed, didn't notice any screen tearing, jaggies were noticeable in both to me, never noticed ghosting and the blur wasn't too much of a problem. It looks worse sure but the difference isn't that big, both have been complemented for being some of the best on consoles and not just from IGN.

Yes much worse except for the jaggies.

screen tearing was minor but it was there in the xbox version, jaggies where in both but maybe they treated them differently in ps3 aa was terrible but I'm pretty sure that one is exactly the same in 360, blur was huge problem for me after playing KZ3 and other vastly superior ps3 exclusives. Since IGN said it was THE best looking console game they lost all credibilty, anyway saying it's one of the best looking is just praise u say that to alot of games.

I though you left till tommorow? Crysis 2 is clearly better looking VISUALLY so whatever.
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thank you for the wonderful compelling argument with so many facts that no one can dispute /sarcasm
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#172 JIGGADOG420
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i lost all respect for ign a longtime ago but they made me lose even more respect they said old town is the best looking gears 3 beta map and clearly the map trenches has better texture work. old town's textures were pure crap when u got close up.
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#173 mitu123
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[QUOTE="JIGGADOG420"]i lost all respect for ign a longtime ago but they made me lose even more respect they said old town is the best looking gears 3 beta map and clearly the map trenches has better texture work. old town's textures were pure crap when u got close up.

IGN has been crap for a while.
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#174 Domin8ters
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[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"]And when we talk about exclusives...usule
Crysis 2 360 looks better to me than the ps3 exclusives, but hey, don't take my word for it, maybe just the many reviewers who said so.

Yep looks better than all the ps3 exclusives because it is!
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[QUOTE="Filthybastrd"]

[QUOTE="charlesdarwin55"] Sure you're right but at least they are more trustworthy than IGNorant.topgunmv

Did LoT really write that? Surely they know that's incredibly incorrect.

http://www.lensoftruth.com/head2head-killzone-3-vs-crysis-2-analysis/

2nd paragraph under the "graphics" heading near the top.

lensoftruth's

"Furthermore, both Crysis 2 and Killzone 3 have a slew of next generation rendering techniques that only high end PC's with decked out SLI graphics cards are able to achieve"

is BS. Any PC GpGPU that beats Xbox 360's GPU can run Crysis 2 just fine e.g. AMD Radeon HD 3850 or NVIDIA Geforce 8800 GT.

Crysis 2 PC runs fine on a single AMD Radeon HD 5730M(aka Radeon HD 5570 Desktop, aka Radeon HD 6570M).

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#176 deactivated-5cf4b2c19c4ab
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I would have to say that the Wii is currently leading the gen in technically proficient graphics in games.
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#177 mitu123
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LOT is a joke, SLI, really now?:|

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#178 kalipekona
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[QUOTE="topgunmv"]

[QUOTE="Filthybastrd"]

Did LoT really write that? Surely they know that's incredibly incorrect.

ronvalencia

http://www.lensoftruth.com/head2head-killzone-3-vs-crysis-2-analysis/

2nd paragraph under the "graphics" heading near the top.

lensoftruth's

"Furthermore, both Crysis 2 and Killzone 3 have a slew of next generation rendering techniques that only high end PC's with decked out SLI graphics cards are able to achieve"

is BS. Any PC GpGPU that beats Xbox 360's GPU can run Crysis 2 just fine e.g. AMD Radeon HD 3850 or NVIDIA Geforce 8800 GT.

Crysis 2 PC runs fine on a single AMD Radeon HD 5730M(aka Radeon HD 5570 Desktop, aka Radeon HD 6570M).

That's the problem with Lens of Truth: they're amateurs. They are all over the place and say some of the most ridiculous things sometimes. They also give wins or losses based on silly reasons. At least Richard Leadbetter at Digital Foundry has some clue what he is talking about.

Anyway, if you play games on the PC it is hard to see the differences between the 360 and PS3 as anything but extremely marginal. The best games on each platform look extremely close in general.

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[QUOTE="ronvalencia"]

[QUOTE="topgunmv"]

http://www.lensoftruth.com/head2head-killzone-3-vs-crysis-2-analysis/

2nd paragraph under the "graphics" heading near the top.

kalipekona

lensoftruth's

"Furthermore, both Crysis 2 and Killzone 3 have a slew of next generation rendering techniques that only high end PC's with decked out SLI graphics cards are able to achieve"

is BS. Any PC GpGPU that beats Xbox 360's GPU can run Crysis 2 just fine e.g. AMD Radeon HD 3850 or NVIDIA Geforce 8800 GT.

Crysis 2 PC runs fine on a single AMD Radeon HD 5730M(aka Radeon HD 5570 Desktop, aka Radeon HD 6570M).

That's the problem with Lens of Truth: they're amateurs. They are all over the place and say some of the most ridiculous things sometimes. They also give wins or losses based on silly reasons. At least Richard Leadbetter at Digital Foundry has some clue what he is talking about.

Anyway, if you play games on the PC it is hard to see the differences between the 360 and PS3 as anything but extremely marginal. The best games on each platform look extremely close in general.

I'm sure I read something recently where LoT were proven to be liars by someone on Beond3D, or was it Gaf?

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#180 fabz_95
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I think the multiplats look very similar on the two consoles, the differences are negligible to me. The PS3 has better looking exclusives which is why I believe the PS3 has the ability to churn out better looking games. Alas, both systems are vastly inferior to the PC in terms of graphics.
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#181 gpuking
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Killzone 3, uncharted 2 and God of war 3 still look better than everything 360 has to offer and that including crysis 2, Uncharted 3 and God of war 4 would only make the gap bigger.
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#182 AnxietyAttack
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Killzone 3, uncharted 2 and God of war 3 still look better than everything 360 has to offer and that including crysis 2, Uncharted 3 and God of war 4 would only make the gap bigger.gpuking
Yeah we all have an opinion.

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#183 gpuking
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[QUOTE="gpuking"]Killzone 3, uncharted 2 and God of war 3 still look better than everything 360 has to offer and that including crysis 2, Uncharted 3 and God of war 4 would only make the gap bigger.AnxietyAttack

Yeah we all have an opinion.

Sure but crysis 2 looks down right sub hd and blurry next to killzone 3.
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#184 noob-saibot2010
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And when we talk about exclusives...DroidPhysX

well I guess gears can be considered an exclusive.

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#185 deactivated-57ad0e5285d73
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Gears 3 is nowhere near Uncharted 2. Personally I don't even think it is the best looking 360 title. One look at some of the in-game cutscenes and I think to myself, "people find this impressive?" Some of the textures are nice for a console, but man everything is sooooooooooo stiff.

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#186 charlesdarwin55
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[QUOTE="gpuking"][QUOTE="AnxietyAttack"]

Killzone 3, uncharted 2 and God of war 3 still look better than everything 360 has to offer and that including crysis 2, Uncharted 3 and God of war 4 would only make the gap bigger.gpuking
Yeah we all have an opinion.

Sure but crysis 2 looks down right sub hd and blurry next to killzone 3.

What more proof could you possibly ask for?
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#187 Pray_to_me
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It's almost June guys. No need for april fools threads.

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#188 clone01
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nah. ps3 exclusives are smooth as silk. sometimes on multiplats there may be a tad, but exclusives are smoother then anything on 360.

TheMoreYouOwn

Do you even own a 360 back that statement with some credibility?

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#189 deactivated-57ad0e5285d73
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[QUOTE="TheMoreYouOwn"]nah. ps3 exclusives are smooth as silk. sometimes on multiplats there may be a tad, but exclusives are smoother then anything on 360.

clone01

Do you even own a 360 back that statement with some credibility?

There should be a system Wars sticky thread: Multi Console Owner Proof Thread.:shock:

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#190 clone01
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There should be a system Wars sticky thread: Multi Console Owner Proof Thread.:shock:

Heirren

I agree. It gets tiresome on these boards when people bash things they have no experience with.

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#191 Heil68
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IMO, U2 is the best looking console game to date. Both consoles produce similar looking games, but lets be honest, at least the PS3 has games.
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#192 charlesdarwin55
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IMO, U2 is the best looking console game to date. Both consoles produce similar looking games, but lets be honest, at least the PS3 has games.Heil68
But but but gears & forza :(:(:(
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#193 deactivated-57ad0e5285d73
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[QUOTE="Heirren"]There should be a system Wars sticky thread: Multi Console Owner Proof Thread.:shock:

clone01

I agree. It gets tiresome on these boards when people bash things they have no experience with.

Use your level 30ness to make one.
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#194 Pray_to_me
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[QUOTE="Heirren"]There should be a system Wars sticky thread: Multi Console Owner Proof Thread.:shock:

clone01

I agree. It gets tiresome on these boards when people bash things they have no experience with.

It's 2011, 360 came out in 2005; it's not outside the realm of possibility that many of the gamers on this forum have had at least some experance with the Xbox 360. Even the ones with different opinions then you.

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#195 Ravensmash
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I'd still say that the systems are incredibly level - look at Gears 3 beta.
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#196 1stPlaceWinner
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Killzone 3, uncharted 2 and God of war 3 still look better than everything 360 has to offer and that including crysis 2, Uncharted 3 and God of war 4 would only make the gap bigger.gpuking
I agree, except for KZ3.
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#197 Bus-A-Bus
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Gears 3 looks better than anything I have seen on consoles this gen...UC3 will probably take it though,but i haven't seen anything to go wow about in it as of yet.

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#198 clone01
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It's 2011, 360 came out in 2005; it's not outside the realm of possibility that many of the gamers on this forum have had at least some experance with the Xbox 360. Even the ones with different opinions then you.

Pray_to_me

Certainly. But the users posting history suggests that the statements are made with little to no objectivity. And my opinions have very little to do with it. In fact, I don't recall defending or bashing either system. I merely suggested that the poster speak from a realm of experience.

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#199 clone01
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Gears 3 looks better than anything I have seen on consoles this gen...UC3 will probably take it though,but i haven't seen anything to go wow about in it as of yet.

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From my perspective, I think the two "best looking" console games will be Gears 3 and UC3. I imagine SW will have endless amounts of UC3 vs Gears 3 graphics threads. Really, at the end of the day, I imagine the two will be incredibly close.
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#200 siddhu33
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These aren't direct-feed, but they do show some level of what the 360 is capable of...

I really think that Gears 3 and Forza 4 can show some level of decent graphics, comparable to uncharted, or killzone.