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Playstation 3 and Wii support Bluetooth, Wi-Fi, mainstream standards as storage(SD Flash and 2.5" HD), and internet browsing.

Playstation 3 also supports a HD format standard and allows a new OS such as Linux to be installed. Wii also supports avatar customization.

 

Xbox 360 supports none of these features.

A Playstation 3 owner just has to pay as little as $99 to upgrade to 120GB and can pick from a wide assortment of manufacturers, yet a Xbox 360 owner must pay $179 and can only buy the hard-drive from Microsoft. 360 users can only use 360 supported wireless devices. Playstation 3 users can use almost any Bluetooth device on their PS3. And of course, Playstation 3 owners are not forced to pay $4 a month in order to play online. Playstation 3 offers much more freedom than the Xbox 360.

 

A Wii owner can quickly check the weather, browse the internet (with Opera, the proven fastest internet browser), customize Miis, and utilize the media stored on their Wii (available on all 3 consoles however) all while taking a gaming break. Newgrounds.com even features flash-based games compatible with a Wiimote. The Wii Virtual Console after only 6 months has become the largest downloadable game store on any of the three consoles. Wii is packed with features for both gamers and non-gamers.

 

The Xbox 360 ranks last in freedom available to the user, while the Wii and Playstation 3 excel in this category.

The Xbox 360 has the best media content available for download of all three consoles, but outside of that has nothing the other consoles don't have.

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Playstation 3 and Wii support Bluetooth, Wi-Fi, mainstream standards as storage(SD Flash and 2.5" HD), and internet browsing.

Playstation 3 also supports a HD format standard and allows a new OS such as Linux to be installed. Wii also supports avatar customization.

 

Xbox 360 supports none of these features.

A Playstation 3 owner just has to pay as little as $99 to upgrade to 120GB and can pick from a wide assortment of manufacturers, yet a Xbox 360 owner must pay $179 and can only buy the hard-drive from Microsoft. 360 users can only use 360 supported wireless devices. Playstation 3 users can use almost any Bluetooth device on their PS3. And of course, Playstation 3 owners are not forced to pay $4 a month in order to play online. Playstation 3 offers freedom and features to owners.

 

A Wii owner can quickly check the weather, browse the internet (with Opera, the proven fastest internet browser), customize Miis, and utilize the media stored on their Wii (available on all 3 consoles however) all while taking a gaming break. Newgrounds.com even features flash-based games compatible with a Wiimote. The Wii Virtual Console after only 6 months has become the largest downloadable game store on any of the three consoles. Wii is packed with features for both gamers and non-gamers.

 

The Xbox 360 ranks last in features and freedom available to the user, while the Wii and Playstation 3 excel in these categories.

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Universal friends list

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Ability to chat with friend at any time

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there are plenty more, but these alone disprove your point 

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360 is just like dream cast
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ah who cares.

Xbox 360 is a great console, I don't care about bluetooth and all that.

I don't play features, I play games. 

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Can you download full movies, TV shows, and viral videos off the PS3 and/or Wii?
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I hate to say it, but the 360 makes a better media hub than the PS3. If you can disprove that statement, then do so. I suppose it's somewhat of a challenge I'm issuing here.

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360 could have all the features in the world and people would still complain.
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Also, can I add the ability to stream all my music from my computer to my 360. This is personally my favorite feature
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do you even have a 360?
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Playstation 3 and Wii support Bluetooth, Wi-Fi, mainstream standards as storage(SD Flash and 2.5" HD), and internet browsing.

Playstation 3 also supports a HD format standard and allows a new OS such as Linux to be installed. Wii also supports avatar customization.

 

Xbox 360 supports none of these features.

A Playstation 3 owner just has to pay as little as $99 to upgrade to 120GB and can pick from a wide assortment of manufacturers, yet a Xbox 360 owner must pay $179 and can only buy the hard-drive from Microsoft. 360 users can only use 360 supported wireless devices. Playstation 3 users can use almost any Bluetooth device on their PS3. And of course, Playstation 3 owners are not forced to pay $4 a month in order to play online. Playstation 3 offers freedom and features to owners.

 

A Wii owner can quickly check the weather, browse the internet (with Opera, the proven fastest internet browser), customize Miis, and utilize the media stored on their Wii (available on all 3 consoles however) all while taking a gaming break. Newgrounds.com even features flash-based games compatible with a Wiimote. The Wii Virtual Console after only 6 months has become the largest downloadable game store on any of the three consoles. Wii is packed with features for both gamers and non-gamers.

 

The Xbox 360 ranks last in features and freedom available to the user, while the Wii and Playstation 3 excel in these categories.

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You forgot the main reason why we buy gaming systems.  FOR THE GAMES!!!! and thats exactly what 360 has and thats why we love it.

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xbox 360 can connect to a computer on the same LAN and play music and movies on that computer.  For me, that's about 500 gigs of storage space.
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Yeah, because superior online, upcoming IPTV, downloadable content for games, downloadable HD TV shows, and universal friends lists aren't as good or better than a web browser that doesn't matter anyway because you can do more using one on a PC and bluetooth.
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I hate to say it, but the 360 makes a better media hub than the PS3. If you can disprove that statement, then do so. I suppose it's somewhat of a challenge I'm issuing here.

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Because of the downloadable media, Xbox 360 is a better media hub. But my point was that the Playstation 3 offers much more freedom than the Xbox 360. (Editing that to make the point more clear)

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One word: XNA - the freedom to develop your own games for the X360 (and that nearly free of charge)
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[QUOTE="musicalmac"]

I hate to say it, but the 360 makes a better media hub than the PS3. If you can disprove that statement, then do so. I suppose it's somewhat of a challenge I'm issuing here.

Skippyj9

 

Because of the downloadable media, Xbox 360 is a better media hub. But my point was that the Playstation 3 offers much more freedom than the Xbox 360. (Editing that to make the point more clear)

 

Define what you mean by freedom.

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[QUOTE="Skippyj9"]

Playstation 3 and Wii support Bluetooth, Wi-Fi, mainstream standards as storage(SD Flash and 2.5" HD), and internet browsing.

Playstation 3 also supports a HD format standard and allows a new OS such as Linux to be installed. Wii also supports avatar customization.

 

Xbox 360 supports none of these features.

A Playstation 3 owner just has to pay as little as $99 to upgrade to 120GB and can pick from a wide assortment of manufacturers, yet a Xbox 360 owner must pay $179 and can only buy the hard-drive from Microsoft. 360 users can only use 360 supported wireless devices. Playstation 3 users can use almost any Bluetooth device on their PS3. And of course, Playstation 3 owners are not forced to pay $4 a month in order to play online. Playstation 3 offers freedom and features to owners.

 

A Wii owner can quickly check the weather, browse the internet (with Opera, the proven fastest internet browser), customize Miis, and utilize the media stored on their Wii (available on all 3 consoles however) all while taking a gaming break. Newgrounds.com even features flash-based games compatible with a Wiimote. The Wii Virtual Console after only 6 months has become the largest downloadable game store on any of the three consoles. Wii is packed with features for both gamers and non-gamers.

 

The Xbox 360 ranks last in features and freedom available to the user, while the Wii and Playstation 3 excel in these categories.

darkserpent213

You forgot the main reason why we buy gaming systems.  FOR THE GAMES!!!! and thats exactly what 360 has and thats why we love it.

I will take Halo 3 and Mass effect over Bluetooth and weather channels thanks very much. Seriously somewhere along the line people forgot that we buy games consoles for games.

If you want "features" and interent browsing by a PC. 360 has everything it needs.

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do you even have a 360?mlbslugger86

No, but what does that change about the fact that the 360 lacks freedom? 

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I do not even see these features on any of these consoles as pertinent to any discussion between them. They are gaming consoles and should concentrate on giving a quality gaming experience as the main priority.

The Wii and 360 do this best.
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[QUOTE="Skippyj9"][QUOTE="musicalmac"]

I hate to say it, but the 360 makes a better media hub than the PS3. If you can disprove that statement, then do so. I suppose it's somewhat of a challenge I'm issuing here.

El_Fanboy

 

Because of the downloadable media, Xbox 360 is a better media hub. But my point was that the Playstation 3 offers much more freedom than the Xbox 360. (Editing that to make the point more clear)

 

Define what you mean by freedom.

Being able to choose the peripherals you use and the level of customization of the console. The only freedom the Xbox 360 has is to choose which package you want. 

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I don't need wi fi

I don't need blu-ray

Why should I be forced to buy it?

Freedom is choice.

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[QUOTE="mlbslugger86"]do you even have a 360?Skippyj9

No, but what does that change about the fact that the 360 lacks freedom? 

Yes, it does.

The x360 has freedom of choice. The PS3 does not. You get one package with the PS3 and that's it.

Apparently,  One Choice = Freedom to cows.

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to me, freedom is popping out the HD, traveling home to visit family.  Sticking my HD into my bro's xbox, and bam, like i never left home.
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[QUOTE="Skippyj9"]

[QUOTE="mlbslugger86"]do you even have a 360?LosDaddie

No, but what does that change about the fact that the 360 lacks freedom?

Yes, it does.

The x360 has freedom of choice. The PS3 does not. You get one package with the PS3 and that's it.

Apparently, One Choice = Freedom to cows.

Ohhhhhh. So being able to choose the Operating System you use, the hard-drive you use, and even the bluetooth headset you use only count as one choice???

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360 supports great games the other two do not.

 

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[QUOTE="mlbslugger86"]do you even have a 360?Skippyj9

No, but what does that change about the fact that the 360 lacks freedom? 

alot because if you had one you would know it has tons of freedom.

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to me, freedom is popping out the HD, traveling home to visit family. Sticking my HD into my bro's xbox, and bam, like i never left home.topps

You can do that with Playstation 3... you have to use a screwdriver to change what hard-drive you use, but once it's screwed into the little casing, it pops out and can be put right into another PS3. =/ 

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[QUOTE="LosDaddie"][QUOTE="Skippyj9"]

[QUOTE="mlbslugger86"]do you even have a 360?Skippyj9

No, but what does that change about the fact that the 360 lacks freedom?

Yes, it does.

The x360 has freedom of choice. The PS3 does not. You get one package with the PS3 and that's it.

Apparently, One Choice = Freedom to cows.

Ohhhhhh. So being able to choose the Operating System you use, the hard-drive you use, and even the bluetooth headset you use only count as one choice???

do i need or want a os on my gaming system?no,thats why i brought a pc for.

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I hate to say it, but the 360 makes a better media hub than the PS3. If you can disprove that statement, then do so. I suppose it's somewhat of a challenge I'm issuing here.

musicalmac

Web browser?/challenge
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[QUOTE="Skippyj9"][QUOTE="LosDaddie"][QUOTE="Skippyj9"]

[QUOTE="mlbslugger86"]do you even have a 360?mlbslugger86

No, but what does that change about the fact that the 360 lacks freedom?

Yes, it does.

The x360 has freedom of choice. The PS3 does not. You get one package with the PS3 and that's it.

Apparently, One Choice = Freedom to cows.

Ohhhhhh. So being able to choose the Operating System you use, the hard-drive you use, and even the bluetooth headset you use only count as one choice???

do i need or want a os on my gaming system?no,thats why i brought a pc for.

No one is saying you have to, that's why it's called a choice. I'm starting to doubt you know the definition of choice.

I also bought a PC in order to take advantage of things such as iTunes which walks circles around Xbox 360's downloadable media that people in this thread are raving about. 

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[QUOTE="El_Fanboy"][QUOTE="Skippyj9"][QUOTE="musicalmac"]

I hate to say it, but the 360 makes a better media hub than the PS3. If you can disprove that statement, then do so. I suppose it's somewhat of a challenge I'm issuing here.

Skippyj9

 

Because of the downloadable media, Xbox 360 is a better media hub. But my point was that the Playstation 3 offers much more freedom than the Xbox 360. (Editing that to make the point more clear)

 

Define what you mean by freedom.

Being able to choose the peripherals you use and the level of customization of the console. The only freedom the Xbox 360 has is to choose which package you want. 

Ok let's talk about the PS3 freedom as you strangely put it.

Sony took out rumble from PS3 = less features

They took out the emotion engine in European PS3's making it harder for people to play PS2 games = less features

They priced a lot of PS2 fans out of the market with a high price for PS3 = less choice for many gamers

They took away the 20gb PS3 = less choice for wannabe PS3 owners

They forced a new format on gamers that many didn't want = no choice for gamers/ less freedom

they delayed European launch by six months = less choice for gamers in Europe

Don't bring your 360 = no freedom stuff in here my friend, as Sony have made far more screw ups than anyone else in that field.

 

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Playstation 3 and Wii support Bluetooth, Wi-Fi, mainstream standards as storage(SD Flash and 2.5" HD), and internet browsing.

Playstation 3 also supports a HD format standard and allows a new OS such as Linux to be installed. Wii also supports avatar customization.

Xbox 360 supports none of these features.

A Playstation 3 owner just has to pay as little as $99 to upgrade to 120GB and can pick from a wide assortment of manufacturers, yet a Xbox 360 owner must pay $179 and can only buy the hard-drive from Microsoft. 360 users can only use 360 supported wireless devices. Playstation 3 users can use almost any Bluetooth device on their PS3. And of course, Playstation 3 owners are not forced to pay $4 a month in order to play online. Playstation 3 offers much more freedom than the Xbox 360.

A Wii owner can quickly check the weather, browse the internet (with Opera, the proven fastest internet browser), customize Miis, and utilize the media stored on their Wii (available on all 3 consoles however) all while taking a gaming break. Newgrounds.com even features flash-based games compatible with a Wiimote. The Wii Virtual Console after only 6 months has become the largest downloadable game store on any of the three consoles. Wii is packed with features for both gamers and non-gamers.

The Xbox 360 ranks last in freedom available to the user, while the Wii and Playstation 3 excel in this category.

The Xbox 360 has the best media content available for download of all three consoles, but outside of that has nothing the other consoles don't have.

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A few freedoms that the PS3 and the Wii lacks, long range on Bluetooth. As we all know, usual consumer based Bluetooth device can only have up to 10 metres of range (or 30 feet maximum) and can't penetrate several regular North American house interior walls. The 2.4 GHz receivers on the other hand can, so that means you can still talk to your buddies while rummaging for snacks, which, on a Bluetooth headset, can't. You'll short out before you can get to your food supplies on the 2nd floor 10 metres away. (This scenario is such for me). This gives some people the freedom to roam and talk. Another freedom that is lacking in the PS3 and Wii is the ablility to customize the operating system's skin. On the X360 dashboard you can change its skin and wallpaper. You can't do that in either Wii or PS3. gnutux
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[QUOTE="mlbslugger86"][QUOTE="Skippyj9"][QUOTE="LosDaddie"][QUOTE="Skippyj9"]

[QUOTE="mlbslugger86"]do you even have a 360?Skippyj9

No, but what does that change about the fact that the 360 lacks freedom?

Yes, it does.

The x360 has freedom of choice. The PS3 does not. You get one package with the PS3 and that's it.

Apparently, One Choice = Freedom to cows.

Ohhhhhh. So being able to choose the Operating System you use, the hard-drive you use, and even the bluetooth headset you use only count as one choice???

do i need or want a os on my gaming system?no,thats why i brought a pc for.

No one is saying you have to, that's why it's called a choice. I'm starting to doubt you know the definition of choice.

I also bought a PC in order to take advantage of things such as iTunes which walks circles around Xbox 360's downloadable media that people in this thread are raving about.

 

Don't forget that things stored on your computer can be played on the xbox 360.  You might have to do a format conversion but still, i like that the xbox has the ablitly to directly connect to my computer and play stuff i've downloaded.  

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[QUOTE="musicalmac"]

I hate to say it, but the 360 makes a better media hub than the PS3. If you can disprove that statement, then do so. I suppose it's somewhat of a challenge I'm issuing here.

weffer


Web browser?/challenge

 

 

Please. Your computer is 10x better at browsing the web. That's a garbage argument.

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[QUOTE="mlbslugger86"][QUOTE="Skippyj9"][QUOTE="LosDaddie"][QUOTE="Skippyj9"]

[QUOTE="mlbslugger86"]do you even have a 360?Skippyj9

No, but what does that change about the fact that the 360 lacks freedom?

Yes, it does.

The x360 has freedom of choice. The PS3 does not. You get one package with the PS3 and that's it.

Apparently, One Choice = Freedom to cows.

Ohhhhhh. So being able to choose the Operating System you use, the hard-drive you use, and even the bluetooth headset you use only count as one choice???

do i need or want a os on my gaming system?no,thats why i brought a pc for.

No one is saying you have to, that's why it's called a choice. I'm starting to doubt you know the definition of choice.

I also bought a PC in order to take advantage of things such as iTunes which walks circles around Xbox 360's downloadable media that people in this thread are raving about. 

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i do know the meaning of choice,but your so blinded for your love for the playstation 3 that you cannot see that the 360 does have freedom, almost everything the 360 has is optional,the hd-dvd add on, the 120 GB drive,and the choice between silver and gold xbox live.if you don't have a 360 this is just another pointless bash thread in my opnion

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[QUOTE="El_Fanboy"][QUOTE="Skippyj9"][QUOTE="musicalmac"]

I hate to say it, but the 360 makes a better media hub than the PS3. If you can disprove that statement, then do so. I suppose it's somewhat of a challenge I'm issuing here.

Skippyj9

 

Because of the downloadable media, Xbox 360 is a better media hub. But my point was that the Playstation 3 offers much more freedom than the Xbox 360. (Editing that to make the point more clear)

 

Define what you mean by freedom.

Being able to choose the peripherals you use and the level of customization of the console. The only freedom the Xbox 360 has is to choose which package you want.

Wow, Unsupported 3rd party Controllers! The same Thing, only more money! I feel all liberated on the inside.

If you think you have freedom in features, than Xbox has freedom everywhere else. Games in many Genres, and the biggetsb library of games for this gen so far. Movies and songs and videos Oh my!

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#39 NicktehImperial
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360 is just like dream castdeadmeat59

Have fun playing RFOM!

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#40 Bansheesdie
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Wow, Unsupported 3rd party Controllers! The same Thing, only more money! I feel all liberated on the inside.

If you think you have freedom in features, than Xbox has freedom everywhere else. Games in many Genres, and the biggetsb library of games for this gen so far. Movies and songs and videos Oh my!

mathew952

Apperently you just bougt a gaming system for the title and not for the games.

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#41 Skippyj9
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[QUOTE="Skippyj9"][QUOTE="El_Fanboy"][QUOTE="Skippyj9"][QUOTE="musicalmac"]

I hate to say it, but the 360 makes a better media hub than the PS3. If you can disprove that statement, then do so. I suppose it's somewhat of a challenge I'm issuing here.

MrBiggles_

 

Because of the downloadable media, Xbox 360 is a better media hub. But my point was that the Playstation 3 offers much more freedom than the Xbox 360. (Editing that to make the point more clear)

 

Define what you mean by freedom.

Being able to choose the peripherals you use and the level of customization of the console. The only freedom the Xbox 360 has is to choose which package you want.

Ok let's talk about the PS3 freedom as you strangely put it.

Sony took out rumble from PS3 = less features

True

They took out the emotion engine in European PS3's making it harder for people to play PS2 games = less features

Yet PAL PS3's backwards compatibility is greater than Xbox 360's anyways.

They priced a lot of PS2 fans out of the market with a high price for PS3 = less choice for many gamers

I don't understand how price affects choice, because according to you a 100 square foot $200 a month apartment offers more choices than a 10,000 square foot $100,000 home would?

They took away the 20gb PS3 = less choice for wannabe PS3 owners

True.

They forced a new format on gamers that many didn't want = no choice for gamers/ less freedom

So Xbox 360 gamers can choose whether they want to play games on HD-DVD or plain DVD9?

they delayed European launch by six months = less choice for gamers in Europe

So, by the PAL launch getting a six month delay, the customizable OS, bluetooth peripheral support, and abillity to use any 2.5" hard drive disappeared?

Don't bring your 360 = no freedom stuff in here my friend, as Sony have made far more screw ups than anyone else in that field.

Windows is the ultimate anti-choice machine. Microsoft broke numerous anti-trust laws with the United States and European Union and even pays millions monthly to the EU over anti-trust law violations. Windows has squashed out the competition through bundling and other monopolistic strategies, which are illegal, and allows MS to release crap OS updates such as Vista.

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#42 3picuri3
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360 is just like dream castdeadmeat59

 

indeed it is, they're both excellent systems :D

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#43 gnutux
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[QUOTE="MrBiggles_"][QUOTE="Skippyj9"][QUOTE="El_Fanboy"][QUOTE="Skippyj9"][QUOTE="musicalmac"]

I hate to say it, but the 360 makes a better media hub than the PS3. If you can disprove that statement, then do so. I suppose it's somewhat of a challenge I'm issuing here.

Skippyj9

Because of the downloadable media, Xbox 360 is a better media hub. But my point was that the Playstation 3 offers much more freedom than the Xbox 360. (Editing that to make the point more clear)

Define what you mean by freedom.

Being able to choose the peripherals you use and the level of customization of the console. The only freedom the Xbox 360 has is to choose which package you want.

Ok let's talk about the PS3 freedom as you strangely put it.

Sony took out rumble from PS3 = less features

True

They took out the emotion engine in European PS3's making it harder for people to play PS2 games = less features

Yet PAL PS3's backwards compatibility is greater than Xbox 360's anyways.

They priced a lot of PS2 fans out of the market with a high price for PS3 = less choice for many gamers

I don't understand how price affects choice, because according to you a 100 square foot $200 a month apartment offers more choices than a 10,000 square foot $100,000 home would?

They took away the 20gb PS3 = less choice for wannabe PS3 owners

True.

They forced a new format on gamers that many didn't want = no choice for gamers/ less freedom

So Xbox 360 gamers can choose whether they want to play games on HD-DVD or plain DVD9?

they delayed European launch by six months = less choice for gamers in Europe

So, by the PAL launch getting a six month delay, the customizable OS, bluetooth peripheral support, and abillity to use any 2.5" hard drive disappeared?

Don't bring your 360 = no freedom stuff in here my friend, as Sony have made far more screw ups than anyone else in that field.

Windows is the ultimate anti-choice machine. Microsoft broke numerous anti-trust laws with the United States and European Union and even pays millions monthly to the EU over anti-trust law violations. Windows has squashed out the competition through bundling and other monopolistic strategies, which are illegal, and allows MS to release crap OS updates such as Vista.

Ref. last quote, then I guess you don't run Windows at all, c'est correct? gnutux
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#44 Skippyj9
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[QUOTE="Skippyj9"][QUOTE="MrBiggles_"][QUOTE="Skippyj9"][QUOTE="El_Fanboy"][QUOTE="Skippyj9"][QUOTE="musicalmac"]

I hate to say it, but the 360 makes a better media hub than the PS3. If you can disprove that statement, then do so. I suppose it's somewhat of a challenge I'm issuing here.

gnutux

 

Because of the downloadable media, Xbox 360 is a better media hub. But my point was that the Playstation 3 offers much more freedom than the Xbox 360. (Editing that to make the point more clear)

 

Define what you mean by freedom.

Being able to choose the peripherals you use and the level of customization of the console. The only freedom the Xbox 360 has is to choose which package you want.

Ok let's talk about the PS3 freedom as you strangely put it.

Sony took out rumble from PS3 = less features

True

They took out the emotion engine in European PS3's making it harder for people to play PS2 games = less features

Yet PAL PS3's backwards compatibility is greater than Xbox 360's anyways.

They priced a lot of PS2 fans out of the market with a high price for PS3 = less choice for many gamers

I don't understand how price affects choice, because according to you a 100 square foot $200 a month apartment offers more choices than a 10,000 square foot $100,000 home would?

They took away the 20gb PS3 = less choice for wannabe PS3 owners

True.

They forced a new format on gamers that many didn't want = no choice for gamers/ less freedom

So Xbox 360 gamers can choose whether they want to play games on HD-DVD or plain DVD9?

they delayed European launch by six months = less choice for gamers in Europe

So, by the PAL launch getting a six month delay, the customizable OS, bluetooth peripheral support, and abillity to use any 2.5" hard drive disappeared?

Don't bring your 360 = no freedom stuff in here my friend, as Sony have made far more screw ups than anyone else in that field.

Windows is the ultimate anti-choice machine. Microsoft broke numerous anti-trust laws with the United States and European Union and even pays millions monthly to the EU over anti-trust law violations. Windows has squashed out the competition through bundling and other monopolistic strategies, which are illegal, and allows MS to release crap OS updates such as Vista.

Ref. last quote, then I guess you don't run Windows at all, c'est correct? gnutux

I run windows with Parallels on my Mac for games because Apple allows for options that Microsoft doesn't (recently switched over to Mac), 

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#45 MrBiggles_
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Everything I listed about Sony is the truth, they've offered gamers less freedom this generation than they have in any previous generation. I don't see where the freedom is in a high price point and making people adopt a new format. It's giving people less options. Anyway I'm out of here, system wars is not my scene, to many people complaining about nothing.

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Playstation 3 and Wii support Bluetooth, Wi-Fi, mainstream standards as storage(SD Flash and 2.5" HD), and internet browsing.

Playstation 3 also supports a HD format standard and allows a new OS such as Linux to be installed. Wii also supports avatar customization.

 

Xbox 360 supports none of these features.

A Playstation 3 owner just has to pay as little as $99 to upgrade to 120GB and can pick from a wide assortment of manufacturers, yet a Xbox 360 owner must pay $179 and can only buy the hard-drive from Microsoft. 360 users can only use 360 supported wireless devices. Playstation 3 users can use almost any Bluetooth device on their PS3. And of course, Playstation 3 owners are not forced to pay $4 a month in order to play online. Playstation 3 offers much more freedom than the Xbox 360.

 

A Wii owner can quickly check the weather, browse the internet (with Opera, the proven fastest internet browser), customize Miis, and utilize the media stored on their Wii (available on all 3 consoles however) all while taking a gaming break. Newgrounds.com even features flash-based games compatible with a Wiimote. The Wii Virtual Console after only 6 months has become the largest downloadable game store on any of the three consoles. Wii is packed with features for both gamers and non-gamers.

 

The Xbox 360 ranks last in freedom available to the user, while the Wii and Playstation 3 excel in this category.

The Xbox 360 has the best media content available for download of all three consoles, but outside of that has nothing the other consoles don't have.

Skippyj9

 

What about multipple AAA titles?  

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#47 Skippyj9
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[QUOTE="Skippyj9"]

Playstation 3 and Wii support Bluetooth, Wi-Fi, mainstream standards as storage(SD Flash and 2.5" HD), and internet browsing.

Playstation 3 also supports a HD format standard and allows a new OS such as Linux to be installed. Wii also supports avatar customization.

 

Xbox 360 supports none of these features.

A Playstation 3 owner just has to pay as little as $99 to upgrade to 120GB and can pick from a wide assortment of manufacturers, yet a Xbox 360 owner must pay $179 and can only buy the hard-drive from Microsoft. 360 users can only use 360 supported wireless devices. Playstation 3 users can use almost any Bluetooth device on their PS3. And of course, Playstation 3 owners are not forced to pay $4 a month in order to play online. Playstation 3 offers much more freedom than the Xbox 360.

 

A Wii owner can quickly check the weather, browse the internet (with Opera, the proven fastest internet browser), customize Miis, and utilize the media stored on their Wii (available on all 3 consoles however) all while taking a gaming break. Newgrounds.com even features flash-based games compatible with a Wiimote. The Wii Virtual Console after only 6 months has become the largest downloadable game store on any of the three consoles. Wii is packed with features for both gamers and non-gamers.

 

The Xbox 360 ranks last in freedom available to the user, while the Wii and Playstation 3 excel in this category.

The Xbox 360 has the best media content available for download of all three consoles, but outside of that has nothing the other consoles don't have.

snyper1982

What about multipple AAA titles?

I would find that really funny if it weren't me being attacked. Good point. 

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#48 LosDaddie
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[QUOTE="LosDaddie"][QUOTE="Skippyj9"]

[QUOTE="mlbslugger86"]do you even have a 360?Skippyj9

No, but what does that change about the fact that the 360 lacks freedom?

Yes, it does.

The x360 has freedom of choice. The PS3 does not. You get one package with the PS3 and that's it.

Apparently, One Choice = Freedom to cows.

Ohhhhhh. So being able to choose the Operating System you use, the hard-drive you use, and even the bluetooth headset you use only count as one choice???

You can only install one OS and that's Linux. One option /= Choice

HDD....good point. I will never change the HDD in my PS3 though

Bluetooth headset? You can use various headsets for the x360. One just comes bundled with the system.

Now do you need any more ownage or is that enough, cow?

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#49 Skippyj9
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[QUOTE="Skippyj9"][QUOTE="LosDaddie"][QUOTE="Skippyj9"]

[QUOTE="mlbslugger86"]do you even have a 360?LosDaddie

No, but what does that change about the fact that the 360 lacks freedom?

Yes, it does.

The x360 has freedom of choice. The PS3 does not. You get one package with the PS3 and that's it.

Apparently, One Choice = Freedom to cows.

Ohhhhhh. So being able to choose the Operating System you use, the hard-drive you use, and even the bluetooth headset you use only count as one choice???

You can only install one OS and that's Linux. One option /= Choice

HDD....good point. I will never change the HDD in my PS3 though

Bluetooth headset? You can use various headsets for the x360. One just comes bundled with the system.

Now do you need any more ownage or is that enough, cow?

 

I may find Xbox 360 very unappealing, but I'm not a "cow".

You can install any PPC compatible OS on the PS3.

(Bluetooth headset was stupid to say, I should've said bluetooth as a whole)

 

And I'm gonna try and let this thread sink because I think I'm sending people the wrong messages and not clarifying my major point in the first place.

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#50 Eltroz
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basicly what this boils down to is PS3 has junk games. Heavenly Sword and lair are being shown and they do not live up to all the hype they got. So what is a cow to do when all your games for your gaming console stink? You talk about blue-ray or bluetooth. Face it, you paid $200 more for the worst game system.